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Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by felixomor: 11:15pm On Oct 23, 2017
petra1:


This must be the voice of a tithe eater jatijati tongue tongue tongue
Lmso grin
Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by Goshen360(m): 1:07am On Oct 24, 2017
petra1:


This must be the voice of a tithe eater jatijati tongue tongue tongue

I don't teach tithe or tithing to Christians neither do I pay it so the point of eating it is out of place. I'm a living testimony of many who don't tithe but gives AND I'M BLESSED WITHOUT TITHING.

What else do you have to practically preach to a man or millions of me out there. Y'all had made mountain out of false doctrine.

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Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by felixomor: 3:24am On Oct 24, 2017
Goshen360:


I don't teach tithe or tithing to Christians neither do I pay it so the point of eating it is out of place. I'm a living testimony of many who don't tithe but gives AND I'M BLESSED WITHOUT TITHING.

What else do you have to practically preach to a man or millions of me out there. Y'all had made mountain out of false doctrine.

You dont teach nobody.
Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by superhumanist(m): 4:26am On Oct 24, 2017
Goshen360:


I don't teach tithe or tithing to Christians neither do I pay it so the point of eating it is out of place. I'm a living testimony of many who don't tithe but gives AND I'M BLESSED WITHOUT TITHING.

What else do you have to practically preach to a man or millions of me out there. Y'all had made mountain out of false doctrine.


remain blessed brother.

I am not a christian but I respect those who use sense when following their religion.

Say "no" to tithe!

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Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by felixomor: 5:42am On Oct 24, 2017
superhumanist:



remain blessed brother.

I am not a christian but I respect those who use sense when following their religion.

Say "no" to tithe!

Stop deceiving yourself
You have been talking shit about Christians on this forum for eons.
Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by superhumanist(m): 6:15am On Oct 24, 2017
felixomor:


Stop deceiving yourself
You have been talking shit about Christians on this forum for eons.


Receive healing for your pain! May tithe-hustling not frustrate you!

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Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by felixomor: 11:52am On Oct 24, 2017
superhumanist:



Receive healing for your pain! May tithe-hustling not frustrate you!

And may you not die of what you call imaginary.... cool
That will be madness.
Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by JackBizzle: 2:07pm On Oct 24, 2017
Felixomor, pls give up! No one is buying your tithe nonsense grin

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Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by luckyCO(m): 6:19pm On Oct 24, 2017
TITHING IS NEITHER COMPULSORY NOR A SIN – BY JOSEPH OKECHUKWU

In the King James Version, “tithing” (“tithe,” “tithes,” “tithing”) occurs 40 times in the Bible - 32 times in the Old Testament, and 8 times in the New Testament. In the New Testament, 5 of the 8 occurrences are found in Hebrews 7:5-9, which are referring to the “tithe” of Abraham to Melchizedek in the Old Testament. Two of the remaining 3 occurrences occur in Luke. However, the first mention of tithing in the scriptures is Genesis 14: 17-20, where Abraham is recorded to have paid a “voluntary” tithe of all that he gathered from the conquest of Chedorlaomer and the kings with him, to Melchizedek, king of Salem.

Hundreds of years after Abraham’s “voluntary” tithe to Melchizedek, the law of Moses eventually elaborated the validity of tithing, to the Levites. Read it in Numbers 27:30-32.

Originally, the firstborn sons were to have been the priests of the Jewish nation, who would serve in the Tabernacle and in the Temple and be the spiritual leaders. When God spared the Jewish firstborns during the Plague of the Firstborns in Egypt, He “acquired” them and designated them for this special role. After the giving of the Torah on Mount Sinai, the Jewish people made and worshipped a golden calf. The only tribe that did not participate in this shameful act was the tribe of Levi. At this time, the firstborns lost their special status, and it was transferred to the Levites who were not originally the firstborns. God explains this to Moses in Numbers 8: 16-18.

To the Levites, tithes are just their inheritance. So, just the same way a man writes his WILL and divides his estate amongst his children, the Levites’ own share was a sum of all the tithes paid unto the Lord by the house of Jacob. That’s why they as well pay a tithe off of their inheritance (tithe) to Aaron.

In Malachi 3:8-12 the popular mantra “shall a man rob God?” wasn’t directed at just the priests as one post alleged. It was directed at the whole nation of Israel at that time. The actual rebuke started with the priests but it didn’t say anything about tithe, initially. See Malachi 1: 6-9. God was sore displeased that the priests were no longer offering quality sacrifices to Him. “Robbing God” through tithing was only one of the grievous sins that those Israelites committed repeatedly against God.

In Luke 11:42, we find a parallel text to the one remaining text (Matthew 23:23). Here, Jesus accuses the Pharisees of tithing in the small, inexpensive, things (mint, dill, cummin), but neglecting the weightier matters. Thus, Jesus does not condemn tithing, but says that there are more important matters.

In Luke 18:12 we see the self-righteous Pharisee, boasting about his tithing as a proof (in his mind) of his righteousness. So far as I can find in the New Testament, neither Jesus nor any of His apostles taught the necessity of tithing. Neither can we find any statement that they did tithe - that they practiced tithing. Jesus did pay the temple tax (Matthew 17:24-27), but we do not read of Him paying His tithe.

I would have to say that the whole tithing system cannot be brought over, in a wholesale fashion, from the Old Testament to the church age or the New Testament saints. We don’t have a Levitical priesthood, or sacrifices to offer (literally, at least). We are, however, to support those who minister to us (1 Corinthians 9:1-14; 1 Galatians 6:6; 1 Timothy 5:17-18). We are to give to the poor, especially the saints (Acts 6:1-6; Romans 12:13; 1 Corinthians 16:1.; 2 Corinthians 8 & 9; Gal. 2:10; 6:10; etc.). From 2 Corinthians 8 & 9 and Philippians 4, we certainly see that our giving should be out of gratitude, and something we joyfully do "voluntarily".

Bottomline, there is no valid New Testament biblical order or charge to pay tithe to any church or ministry, neither is there any biblical proof anywhere that anyone who pays tithe to any church or ministry today out of their own volition, has committed sin. We need to set the records straight. People should not be made to feel guilty for not obeying Malachi 3:8-12. But people should also not be dissuaded from helping a responsible church or ministry by way of voluntary tithing or even a donation that’s probably more than a tithe. It’s entirely voluntary but not a sin. If it was a sin, Jesus would’ve called it so. Rather He simply charged the tithe-paying Pharisees to do more than just paying tithes on little things. So, it's up to you to decide if your church or ministry is doing enough of God's work to deserve your financial support.

Conclusion: Tithing is not compulsory, but it’s also not a sin.

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Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by felixomor: 6:26pm On Oct 24, 2017
JackBizzle:
Felixomor, pls give up! No one is buying your tithe nonsense grin

Hehehehehe. DUMBBIZZLE
GO to the nearest church
People are paying tithes and getting blessed.

Please cry more grin

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Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by Goshen360(m): 7:16am On Oct 25, 2017
felixomor:


You dont teach nobody.

My comments and contributions here on your thread is teaching your audience you're trying to scam. They should not fall for your okie doke..... grin grin grin
Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by felixomor: 7:22am On Oct 25, 2017
Goshen360:


My comments and contributions here on your thread is teaching your audience you're trying to scam. They should not fall for your okie doke..... grin grin grin
Thou shalt not lie.
Stop trying to justify your lie.
You have never been a teacher.

Period
Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by Goshen360(m): 7:25am On Oct 25, 2017
felixomor:

Thou shalt not lie.
Stop trying to justify your lie.
You have never been a teacher.

Period


Abeg go siddon, na who wan dey here dey help you add pages to your thread. My works and teachings do live after me. Go and sit somewhere joor

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Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by felixomor: 8:00am On Oct 25, 2017
Goshen360:


[s]Abeg go siddon, na who wan dey here dey help you add pages to your thread. My works and teachings do live after me. Go and sit somewhere joor[/s]

Hehehehehe,
Teachings live after you.... Ko

Kwakwakwa grin
Delusions of grandeur
Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by OrnamentOne: 10:50am On Oct 25, 2017
Just thought to share this. (Like I posted in a similar thread)

Jews Do Not Tithe Today

Thankfully, Jewish theologians know better than their Christian counterparts. They are well aware that only Levites have the right to receive tithe of the people. After all, the Jewish leaders have the Old Testament as their Scripture and that’s what it commands. And since there is no Temple in existence (and consequently no ordained Levites or Priests serving in a Temple), then a major factor in fulfilling the laws of tithing does not exist in our modern world.
In regard to this, it may be profitable to relate an event that happened to me over thirty–five years ago when I was just starting to study theology in college. A letter had been given to me for answering. It was from a woman who heard that modern Jews were not tithing. She wanted to know whether the information was true, and if so, why the Jews seemingly violated the plain laws of the Bible which spoke of tithing as a law to be obeyed?

Having read the letter, I began to share her concern. To resolve the matter I telephoned three rabbis in the Los Angeles area for their explanation. Much to my dismay, all three independently of each other informed me that no religious Jew should tithe today. I was startled at their replies. This appeared to be evidence that the Jews were so lax with their biblical interpretation that they were abandoning even the simple words of their own Scripture about the laws of tithing.

By the time I spoke with the last rabbi, my youthful indignation was beginning to emerge. But that rabbi then wisely began to show me my ignorance (not his) in the whole matter. First, he admitted that none of his congregation paid one penny of tithe that was demanded in the Old Testament. He then said: "If any member of my synagogue paid tithe in the scriptural manner, he would be disobeying the law of God—he would besinning against God."

I was staggered by his answer. He went on to inform me that since the Bible demands that the tithe be paid to Levites, he said it would be wrong to pay it to anyone else. And further, because there is presently no official Levitical order of Priests ministering at a Temple in Jerusalem, this makes it illegal at this period to pay any biblical tithe. He went on to say, however, that the moment a Temple is rebuilt, with its altar in operation and with the priesthood officiating at that altar (and the Levites there to assist them), then every Jew who lives in the tithing zones mentioned in the Bible will be required to tithe according to the biblical commands.

This teaching was a revelation to me (as it may be to some of our readers), but the rabbi gave the proper biblical answers. To pay the biblical tithe at this time, without Levites and Priests in their regular ordained offices and doing service in the Temple, would be "sin" both to the giver and the receiver. The rabbi told me: "If we are to obey the law, we cannot pay tithe unless we pay it to the ones ordained by God to accept that tithe."

The rabbi explained that though he was the chief rabbi of his synagogue, he was not a Levite. He said he was descended from the tribe of Judah and was thereby not eligible to receive tithe. The same disqualification applied even to Christ Jesus while he was on earth since he was also reckoned as having come from the tribe of Judah. This same restriction was applicable to the activities of the apostle Peter (because he was as well from Judah) and it applied to the apostle Paul (because he was from the tribe of Benjamin). Neither Christ nor those apostles were Levites so they were all disqualified from receiving any part of the biblical tithe. It is just that simple.
And listen, if Christ, Peter and Paul did not use the biblical tithe for any of their work in teaching the Gospel, Christian ministers today should not use the biblical tithe either. The Jewish religious authorities are wise enough to read what the Word of God states about the tithe and, thankfully, they abide by it. But our Gentile preachers and priests care very little what the biblical texts actually state and go merrily on their way by devising their own laws of tithing which are different from those of the Bible.

The rabbi then gave me some information on the method that many Jews use today to secure adequate funds with which to operate their religious organizations. He went on to say that the activities of his synagogue were financially supported through the adoption of the "patron system" by its members. That is, families would buy seats in the synagogue for various prices each year. The rabbi mentioned that many of his congregation actually paid more than a tenth of their income to get better seats in the synagogue. This method for raising funds is perfectly proper (from the biblical point of view) if Jews wish to use it. This is because the money is paid to the synagogue and not to an ordained Levitical priesthood.

The final rabbi was correctly interpreting the teaching of the Holy Scripture. While many Christian ministers today teach that Christians may be in danger of missing salvation itself if they do not pay tithe to the church, Jewish rabbis know better than to say such a thing. They realize that it is biblically improper (actually, it is a blatant disobedience to the laws of the Bible) for anyone to pay or to receive the biblical tithe today. And any minister or ecclesiastical leader who uses the biblical tithe (or any one who pays to a minister the biblical tithe) is asinner in the eyes of God.
Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by OrnamentOne: 10:53am On Oct 25, 2017
Culled Online...

THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH TITHING
I have compiled a list of those who disagree with tithing including pastors, evangelists, theologians, authors, churches, & organizations. This is not an endorsement of their other theology or doctrine. I found many names that were already stated from Russell Earl Kelly (http://www.tithing-russkelly.com/) and David Croteau’s (http://slaveoftheword..com/) website. But, I found some names that were not listed. I painstakingly went through lists of historical Christian figures and searched through their writings to compile these quotes. I also went a step further and found as many original sources and then linked directly to them for further affirmation. If you find anything in error, please let me know.

Theologians & Evangelists & Pastors

Arnold Fruchtenbaum Ph.D.
B. B. Warfield (1851 – 1921)
Bob Utley Ph. D.
Bruce Metzger (1914 – 2007)
C. S. Lewis (1898 – 1963)
C.I. Scofield (1843 – 1921)
Charles Buck (1771–1815)
Charles C. Ryrie (1925)
Charles Spurgeon (1834 – 1892)
David Croteau, Ph.D.
Erasmus (1466 – 1536)
F.F. Bruce (1910 – 1990)
Francis Chan (1967)
Francis Turretin (1623 – 1687)
Frank Stagg (1911-2001)
Frank Viola
Franz Pieper 1852 – 1931
G. Campbell Morgan
George Barna (1955)
George Fox (1624 – 1691)
Irenaeus (130 – 202)
J. Vernon McGee, Th.D., LL.D (1904 – 1988)
James Montgomery Boice (1938 – 2000)
John Bunyan (1628 – 1688)
John Cotton (1585 – 1652)
John Huss (1369 – 1415)
John MacArthur (1939)
John Milton (1608 – 1674)
John Nelson Darby (1800 – 1882)
John Owen (1616 – 1683)
John Piper (1946)
John Robinson (1576 – 1625)
John Smyth (1570 – 1612)
John Wesley (1703 – 1791)
John Wycliffe (1330 – 1384)
Justin Martyr (100 – 165)
Les Feldick
Lewis Sperry Chafer
Mark Driscoll
Martin Luther (1483 – 1546)
Matthew Henry (1662 – 1714)
Origen (184 – 253)
Richard C. H. Lenski (1864 – 1936)
Roger Williams
Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D
Tertullian (160 – 220)
Thomas R. Schreiner
W.E. Vine (1873 to 1949)
Walter Elwell, Ph.D. (1937)
William MacDonald (1917 – 2007)

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Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by felixomor: 12:29pm On Oct 25, 2017
OrnamentOne:
Culled Online...

THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH TITHING
I have compiled a list of those who disagree with tithing including pastors, evangelists, theologians, authors, churches, & organizations. This is not an endorsement of their other theology or doctrine. I found many names that were already stated from Russell Earl Kelly (http://www.tithing-russkelly.com/) and David Croteau’s (http://slaveoftheword..com/) website. But, I found some names that were not listed. I painstakingly went through lists of historical Christian figures and searched through their writings to compile these quotes. I also went a step further and found as many original sources and then linked directly to them for further affirmation. If you find anything in error, please let me know.

Theologians & Evangelists & Pastors

Arnold Fruchtenbaum Ph.D.
B. B. Warfield (1851 – 1921)
Bob Utley Ph. D.
Bruce Metzger (1914 – 2007)
C. S. Lewis (1898 – 1963)
C.I. Scofield (1843 – 1921)
Charles Buck (1771–1815)
Charles C. Ryrie (1925)
Charles Spurgeon (1834 – 1892)
David Croteau, Ph.D.
Erasmus (1466 – 1536)
F.F. Bruce (1910 – 1990)
Francis Chan (1967)
Francis Turretin (1623 – 1687)
Frank Stagg (1911-2001)
Frank Viola
Franz Pieper 1852 – 1931
G. Campbell Morgan
George Barna (1955)
George Fox (1624 – 1691)
Irenaeus (130 – 202)
J. Vernon McGee, Th.D., LL.D (1904 – 1988)
James Montgomery Boice (1938 – 2000)
John Bunyan (1628 – 1688)
John Cotton (1585 – 1652)
John Huss (1369 – 1415)
John MacArthur (1939)
John Milton (1608 – 1674)
John Nelson Darby (1800 – 1882)
John Owen (1616 – 1683)
John Piper (1946)
John Robinson (1576 – 1625)
John Smyth (1570 – 1612)
John Wesley (1703 – 1791)
John Wycliffe (1330 – 1384)
Justin Martyr (100 – 165)
Les Feldick
Lewis Sperry Chafer
Mark Driscoll
Martin Luther (1483 – 1546)
Matthew Henry (1662 – 1714)
Origen (184 – 253)
Richard C. H. Lenski (1864 – 1936)
Roger Williams
Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D
Tertullian (160 – 220)
Thomas R. Schreiner
W.E. Vine (1873 to 1949)
Walter Elwell, Ph.D. (1937)
William MacDonald (1917 – 2007)

Abraham paid tithe.
Jacob paid tithe

Full stop
Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by Rainmaker69(m): 5:55am On Nov 02, 2017
Why do the Christians in the Religion section on quickly resort to insults, name-calling and abusive language on most threads? Its impossible to have a rational adult discussion on issues with all the distractions. I'm sure we can do much better.
Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by MuttleyLaff: 9:07pm On Nov 13, 2017
felixomor:
Abraham paid tithe.
Jacob paid tithe
Full stop
What?!
Abraham, I know, paid tithe, and the Israelites, I know, paid tithe;
but who else again, did you say, paid tithe?
Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by felixomor: 9:08pm On Nov 13, 2017
MuttleyLaff:
What?!
Abraham, I know, paid tithe, and the Israelites, I know, paid tithe;
but who else again, did you say, paid tithe?





Read it.
Its above
Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by MuttleyLaff: 9:11pm On Nov 13, 2017
felixomor:
Read it.
Its above
You're testing your limit, dont try me ooo
Efrebor, efrebor, you go wound ooo
Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by felixomor: 9:16pm On Nov 13, 2017
MuttleyLaff:
You're testing your limit, dont try me ooo
Efrebor, efrebor, you go wound ooo
You are your own limit.
Look above and read it.
Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by MuttleyLaff: 9:18pm On Nov 13, 2017
felixomor:
You are your own limit.
Look above and read it.
Jacob didnt physically as a person, do or fulfil doing the tithe part vow he made to God

When Samuel's mother, Hannah, made a vow, we see in the bible when she fulfilled it
When Jephthah made a vow, we see in the bible when and how he fulfilled it

Now felixomor, my dear brother
kindly show in an acceptable & convincible manner where, when, and how Jacob fulfilled his tithe part vow please
and who Jacob handed over the tithe to?

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Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by petra1(m): 9:30pm On Nov 13, 2017
felixomor:


Abraham paid tithe.
Jacob paid tithe

Full stop

QED

Satan and cohort came after Abraham tithe to rubbishy it and claimed that it was not tithe it was just tax to an earthly king . Ten they realized Jacob also tithes and they said it was a personal choice . They shot themselves in the foot by that then they said he didn’t tithe .

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Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by felixomor: 9:33pm On Nov 13, 2017
MuttleyLaff:
Jacob didnt physically as a person, do or fulfil doing the tithe part vow he made to God

When Samuel's mother, Hannah, made a vow, we see in the bible when she fulfilled it
When Jephthah made a vow, we see in the bible when and how he fulfilled it

Now felixomor, my dear brother
kindly show in an acceptable & convincible manner where, when, and how Jacob fulfilled his tithe part vow please
and who Jacob handed over the tithe to?

Go and read the life of Jacob from Genesis.
If you cant find it,
Come back and tell me.
Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by petra1(m): 9:42pm On Nov 13, 2017
felixomor:


Go and read the life of Jacob from Genesis.
If you cant find it,
Come back and tell me.

Jacob paid his tithe . He made a vow to Worship God and to do the tithe if God bless him . God Blessed him and reminded him of his vow . And commanded Jacob to go and do it . Jacob went and raised altar to fulfilled his vow .
Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by MuttleyLaff: 9:45pm On Nov 13, 2017
felixomor:
Go and read the life of Jacob from Genesis.
If you cant find it,
Come back and tell me.
I've come back to tell you that I already told you,
Abraham, I know, paid tithe, and the Israelites, I know, paid tithe;
and asked who else again, did you say, paid tithe?

All because I have read the life of Jacob from Genesis
and never found it or cant find it, in there that Jacob paid tithe

So reiterating, Jacob didnt physically as a person, do or fulfil doing the tithe part vow he made to God

When Samuel's mother, Hannah, made a vow, we see in the bible when she fulfilled it
When Jephthah made a vow, we see in the bible when and how he fulfilled it

Now felixomor, my dear brother
kindly show in an acceptable & convincible manner where, when, and how Jacob fulfilled his tithe part vow please
and who Jacob handed over the tithe to?
Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by MuttleyLaff: 9:56pm On Nov 13, 2017
felixomor:
Go and read the life of Jacob from Genesis.
If you cant find it,
Come back and tell me.
You really arent doing yourself any favours by avoiding answering the questions

We are having a healthy dialogue and conversation
but your refusal to honor and respond to the requests is appalling

petra1:
Jacob paid his tithe
Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek, we know.
The Israelites paid tithes to the Levites, we know.
petra1 and/or felixomor who did Jacob give or paid this wishful thinking and without proof tithe to?

petra1:
He made a vow to Worship God and to do the tithe if God bless him.
God Blessed him and reminded him of his vow.
And commanded Jacob to go and do it.
Jacob went and raised altar to fulfilled his vow.
Petra1 knowing this is a difficult or unpleasant tithe trying times
and instead of be like a rabbit or deer caught in a car's headlights,
has no choice, than, be showing courage in the face of adversity

Petra1, in another life, you will be good serving as a firefighter/fireman,
you sure are good at trying to douse "fire" with "water"

He is trying to bluff it out, survive a difficult situation,
and ride out the storm by maintaining the pretence

People pretend well but no way can pretence go on forever

To a degree, undoubtedly you've become a bad influence on felixomor
You've conditioned him to believe that Jacob tithed
so to felixomor, I say, beware of false knowledge, it is more dangerous than ignorance
Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by Ken4Christ: 10:14pm On Nov 13, 2017
I have read the encounter Abraham had with Melchizedec and I don't agree with the general notion that it was from the loot of the war that Abraham gave Melchizedec tithe.

What kind of war did Abraham fight? He went to rescue Lot and the people of Sodom and Gomorrah. In addition, he went to recover the goods taken that belong to Sodom and Gomorrah and Lot his nephew.

The King of Sodom told Abraham to keep the recovered goods and give him the people. But Abraham said,

Genesis 14:22-23.
22....I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,

23 That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:

24 Save only that which the young men have eaten, and the portion of the men which went with me, Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion.

Abraham rejected the loot, so how did he then give 10% of the loot he refused to take?

Different version rendered the transaction differently but I prefer to stick to the Kings James Version.

It said,

Genesis 14:18-20.
18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

The last phrase says, he gave him tithe of all. It didn't say, he gave him tithe of the loot. If it did, then Abraham would not tell the King of Sodom, I am not interested in the loot.

So, what tithe did he pay. He gave him tithe of all he had. The question is, was Abraham carrying his possession along? Certainly not. But he certainly had knowledge of all he had. As such, he could appoint his servants to deliver the goods or tithe to Melchizedec.

If the Saints before the Law never paid tithe of what belonged to them, why did Jacob, Abraham's grandson made a vow which reads,

Genesis 28:20-22.
20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on,

21 So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God:

22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and OF ALL THAT THOU SHALT GIVE ME I WILL SURELY GIVE THE TENTH UNTO THEE.

So, it was the culture to pay tithe of what one possesses even before the Law was given. It was not the exclusive rights of the Levites to collect tithes as he was not yet born when Abraham and Jacob tithed.
Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by felixomor: 10:28pm On Nov 13, 2017
MuttleyLaff:
I've come back to tell you that I already told you,
Abraham, I know, paid tithe, and the Israelites, I know, paid tithe;
and asked who else again, did you say, paid tithe?

All because I have read the life of Jacob from Genesis
and never found it or cant find it, in there that Jacob paid tithe

So reiterating, Jacob didnt physically as a person, do or fulfil doing the tithe part vow he made to God

When Samuel's mother, Hannah, made a vow, we see in the bible when she fulfilled it
When Jephthah made a vow, we see in the bible when and how he fulfilled it

Now felixomor, my dear brother
kindly show in an acceptable & convincible manner where, when, and how Jacob fulfilled his tithe part vow please
and who Jacob handed over the tithe to?

Oh, u have come back now now.

You are not ready o.
When u are ready to study let me know.

As for now let us play.
Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by MuttleyLaff: 11:23pm On Nov 13, 2017
Ken4Christ:
I have read the encounter Abraham had with Melchizedec
and I don't agree with the general notion that it was from the loot of the war that Abraham gave Melchizedec tithe.
Chief, I beg you.
Please don't start something that you can't finish ooo

Ken4Christ:
What kind of war did Abraham fight?
He went to rescue Lot and the people of Sodom and Gomorrah.
In addition, he went to recover the goods taken that belong to Sodom and Gomorrah and Lot his nephew.

The King of Sodom told Abraham to keep the recovered goods and give him the people. But Abraham said,

Genesis 14:20.
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

The last phrase says, he gave him tithe of all.
It didn't say, he gave him tithe of the loot.
If it did, then Abraham would not tell the King of Sodom, I am not interested in the loot.
Straw man argument.
SMH. Why, why, why?

Ken4Christ:
So, what tithe did he pay. He gave him tithe of all he had.
The question is, was Abraham carrying his possession along?
Certainly not. But he certainly had knowledge of all he had.
As such, he could appoint his servants to deliver the goods or tithe to Melchizedec
An unforgivably cringeworthy summation,
The problem in your summation is, there is nothing like "Abraham carrying his possession along"

Continue reading, you'll reach Hebrews 7:4 below and then face-palm, see the hole in your story

Now consider how great this man was,
unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils

- Hebrews 7:4 KJV

And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand.
And he gave him tithes of all

- Genesis 14:20

"New Testament lies hidden in the Old
and the Old Testament is unveiled in the New
"
- St. Augustine

Hmm, OK, I am sure you're familiar with the above St. Augustine quote

Hebrews 7:4 lies hidden in Genesis 14:20 (i.e. "the tenth of the spoils" lies hidden in "tithes of all'')
and Genesis 14:20 is unveiled in Hebrews 7:4 (i.e. "tithes of all" is unveiled in "the tenth of the spoils'')

Ken4Christ:
If the Saints before the Law never paid tithe of what belonged to them,
why did Jacob, Abraham's grandson made a vow which reads,

Genesis 28:20-22.
20And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go,
and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on,
21So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God:
22And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house:
and OF ALL THAT THOU SHALT GIVE ME I WILL SURELY GIVE THE TENTH UNTO THEE.
An impressive and very good question
It is an answer having two prongs
Shame answering it, will be going past the range of the thread

Ken4Christ:
So, it was the culture to pay tithe of what one possesses even before the Law was given
Without even knowing you hit the nail on the head,
You actually did hit the target, albeit it wasn't a clean nor a bullseye strike

Yes, there was a culture to pay tithe.
There was culture to pay tithe, which Jacob was aware of, even before the Law was given to the Israelites to begin giving tithe

Ken4Christ:
It was not the exclusive rights of the Levites to collect tithes as he was not yet born when Abraham and Jacob tithed
SMH, I am so very sorry to say that explaining the reason and background surrounding the exclusive rights of the Levites to collect tithes, again, will be going past the range of the thread

From reading Petra1, felixomor and I, you already know I disconcur with that statement, that Jacob tithed

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