Rosskii:


Dude, please take your wretched inferiority complex and disappear from this thread. Why did you come here? What relevance has this thread to Man City and Queen Elizabeth? Are you high on cocaine or something? Just get out of this place and go look for somewhere else to display your self-hatred.

Dude? Who is a dude LOL... Looks like I got you. Here you are talking about a bunch of horseshiit like another poster said and I guess you have no solution to the crisis in your backyard..

But I dont blame you. Your aren't the governor anyway, nor did you put together the Nigger Area in 1914

TheKingdom:


Dude? Who is a dude LOL... Looks like I got you. Here you are talking about a bunch of horseshiit like another poster said and I guess you have no solution to the crisis in your backyard..

But I dont blame you. Your aren't the governor anyway, nor did you put together the ......Area in 1914

Back to your drinks and drugs now...Has your supply finished?

This thread is for those with....intellect.

Rosskii:


ASSYRIAN


ISRAELITE


Someone please get obi1kenobi a pair of glasses. He thinks the two hair textures above are ''the same''.

Ahh....he cherry picks a convenient image.

The very 2nd image you posted there shows no difference beyond the length of hair and whatever the hell the Assyrian is wearing. The beards are exactly the same, but depictions of longer Assyrian hair makes them portray it as straighter than the Assyrian beard while Jewish hair is portrayed the same as the Jewish beard.

All this misses the point that it's rather silly to extrapolate people's race from artistic depictions. For one, the colours of the people portrayed in the artwork is the same: whether Assyrian or Jewish. You're the same person who made it out like depictions of Pharaohs which were black were evidence that Pharaohs were black. Same about Moorish depictions. You afrocentrist wackos just appear desperate.

All this still doesn't explain how on earth a thick-forest dwelling Niger-Congo tribes who couldn't sail the ocean and were never proven to have stepped a foot on the Sahara and were more technologically primitive in the 19th century AD than B.C age Jewish civilization thousands of years earlier, have Jewish ancestry.

Rosskii:


Back to your drinks and drugs now...Has your supply finished?

This thread is for those with....intellect.

Yeah real intellect, when the majority of people saying you are writing horseshiit.

Tell me, if the Bible are filled with people that are your village ancestors, what does that have to do with bettering Africa or Nigeria( if that term is sweeter than the Nigger Area)?

All I see is that you want to go to government to collect Traditional ruler allocation since you are related to holy people abi?

TheKingdom:


Yeah real intellect, when the majority of people saying you are writing horseshiit.

Tell me, if the Bible are filled with people that are your village ancestors, what does that have to do with bettering Africa or Nigeria( if that term is sweeter than the ..... Area)?

All I see is that you want to go to government to collect Traditional ruler allocation since you are related to holy people abi?

This is not your level kid... Move on.

Obi1kenobi:


Ahh....he cherry picks a convenient image.

The very 2nd image you posted there shows no difference beyond the length of hair and whatever the hell the Assyrian is wearing. The beards are exactly the same, but depictions of longer Assyrian hair makes them portray it as straighter than the Assyrian beard while Jewish hair is portrayed the same as the Jewish beard.

The beards are NOT "exactly the same". Stop trying to tell us we are not seeing what we are seeing. You are trying so hard...Who is paying you for this?

All this misses the point that it's rather silly to extrapolate people's race from artistic depictions.

No it's not. It is only a problem WHEN you try to deny what the artistic depictions are telling you.

For one, the colours of the people portrayed in the artwork is the same: whether Assyrian or Jewish. You're the same person who made it out like depictions of Pharaohs which were black were evidence that Pharaohs were black. Same about Moorish depictions. You afrocentrist wackos just appear desperate.

You dunce. The Assyrian images are not painted. They are carved on stone! The Egyptian images are mostly tomb paintings.

All this still doesn't explain how on earth a thick-forest dwelling Niger-Congo tribes who couldn't sail the ocean and were never proven to have stepped a foot on the Sahara and were more technologically primitive in the 19th century AD than B.C age Jewish civilization thousands of years earlier, have Jewish ancestry.

The Lemba people of Southern Africa are acknowledged by all and sundry to be Jewish. I don't recall them "sailing the ocean" or being technologically advanced in their Southern African abode. Your point is baseless.

Rosskii:


The beards are NOT "exactly the same". Stop trying to tell us we are not seeing what we are seeing. You are trying so hard...Who is paying you for this?

Yeah, the beards are exactly the same.

No it's not. It is only a problem WHEN you try to deny what the artistic depictions are telling you.



You dunce. The Assyrian images are not painted. They are carved on stone! The Egyptian images are mostly tomb paintings.

In the world of Afrocentrist quacks, perhaps that would make sense. In the real world, the notion that art work with plenty of ambiguities can provide foolproof evidence for your desperate links in laughable.

The Lemba people of Southern Africa are acknowledged by all and sundry to be Jewish. I don't recall them "sailing the ocean" or being technologically advanced in their Southern African abode. Your point is baseless.

Only an ignorant fucckktard thinks Lembas are "acknowledged by all" as Jews. A bit of research would help you. This is another repetitive myth that has been well debunked here before and I recall you in particular claiming the scholars that dismissed them are some kind of racists. About the only thing true about them is some of their population bear genetic markers of probably an immigrant ancestor from the Levant (not conclusively determined to be Jewish) fro several generations ago. They are genetically vastly more similar by a factor of hundreds to their own neighbouring tribes. If a Lebanese man today breeds with people in a village in Kano and his progeny multiplies for hundreds of years to tens to hundreds of thousands of descendants that have a little of his genes, it doesn't make all his descendants Lebanese. The Jewish customs Lembas have adopted are fairly recent. The Lemba Jew claimers are another bunch of inferiority-complex ravaged Africans who feel no pride in their heritage, so they appropriate and adopt the culture of an alien group that they claim tenuous links with.

blackhinstan:
Trying to equate The Word of God as a History or literature??

You Must be Sick

Better stay clear of the Holy Book you are not taught to read it spiritually

I disagree with the OP's post, but this is a stewpid comment. The Bible is a work of literature. It was written by men, collected and compiled by men, translated by men, and published by men. Not even Jewish people, the founding civilization of the Abrahamic religions, go around claiming the Bible is some infallible work. That is why till today, they are not even Christians. Yet, you, conquered and enslaved by the colonialists and given a Bible to pacify your ancestors and "civilize" them are here killing yourself over an imported religion that your colonial masters are even abandoning.

Africa is doomed to mental slavery, I swear. There is no hope for this continent.

Obi1kenobi:


This is little different from saying I shouldn't be so quick to discount the existence of pink unicorns and the flying spaghetti monster. African groups - in this case, Niger-Congo groups - and their Black American descendants, do not have much by way of a deep history due to the relative illiteracy of our ancestors and reliance on oral traditions with the unfortunate consequence that this history of ours was never properly codified for posterity. This has given rise to a certain mass delusion of modern African groups who look to fill the knowledge gaps in their history with fantasies. Fantasies of Jewish links are particularly popular. There are few things i hate as an Igbo man more than kinsmen claiming to be Jews and carrying Israeli flags and evoking Jewish imagery. And that is very common among Igbos.

It's not enough to simply say humans migrate all the time, so our ancestors must have migrated. You have to establish a coherent narrative that can fill in the where and when and how and why of these patterns and connect the dots. There's absolutely nothing in documented history, DNA/genetic links, physical resemblance or ethno-linguistic similarities to link us with cultures in the Levant. We have to stop this madness. I remember there was a thread several months ago where me and one other poster irritated with these Jewish links took on a guy that was copying and pasting so-called linguistic similarities between Hebrew and Igbo. Of the 20 words he copied from a charlatan's book with these fanciful claims, simple research using a Hebrew dictionary and scrutinizing every possible conjugation and factoring context prove every single claim was a fraud. Every. Single. One. I was even thinking when we started it that maybe 3 or 4 may be correct and I'd attribute this to simple coincidence, but every single one was not even close to being true.

It's bizarre that even Palestinians, Jordanians, some Syrian tribes etc (close Semitic cousins of Jews) don't go around claiming to be Jewish descendants. Yet, a bunch of Niger-Congo black people thousands of miles away from the Levant with no proven links of even having stepped foot on the Sahara, much less crossed the Mediterranean, will be here claiming they're Jews.

Contrary to your earlier post, the bolded sentence above might lead readers to see you as being the one with inferiority complex as an African Igbo man. I don't know any Igbo that thinks any man is above him. Please stop denigrating the entire race. It doesn't look good on you. My people had a history and I'm sure you'll see yours do too, if you would stop judging it by Western imperialist standards.

I for one don't see myself as a Jew. And I most certainly do not want any linkage to Israeli Zionists!

My saying there might have been migration coming down south does not mean there weren't already people residing there. In Yoruba history, it is widely accepted that Oduduwa (the king) arrived in Ile-Ife and met people already established there. Where he may have travelled from is the only debate. We know Yoruba did not originate with Oduduwa (the king) although he is a venerable figure so much so that some think he is our progenitor. I will respond further, soon.

I'm not picking a fight by the way.

isalegan2:


Contrary to your earlier post, the bolded sentence above might lead readers to see you as being the one with inferiority complex as an African Igbo man. I don't know any Igbo that thinks any man is above him. Please stop denigrating the entire race. It doesn't look good on you. My people had a history and I'm sure you'll see yours do too, if you would stop judging it by Western imperialist standards.

I for one don't see myself as a Jew. And I most certainly do not want any linkage to Israeli Zionists!

My saying there might have been migration coming down south does not mean there weren't already people residing there. In Yoruba history, it is widely accepted that Oduduwa (the king) arrived in Ile-Ife and met people already established there. Where he may have travelled from is the only debate. We know Yoruba did not originate with Oduduwa (the king) although he is a venerable figure so much so that some think he is our progenitor. I will respond further, soon.

I'm not picking a fight by the way.

The bolded makes no sense. I expected you to refute it, but you just gave a sentimental response. What was untrue about the fact our ancestors bequeathed no literature to their progeny which narrates our history and traditions? What is untrue about the fact history in our pre-colonial society has mostly been passed on by oral tradition? Why should admitting those simple facts be "inferiority complex"? So if I say my civil servant father is not as rich as Dangote, that means I have an "inferiority complex"? Nothin' I no go hear for this forum, sha....

So because someone who was quoted in the bible said his skin black mean they are Africans? Are there no black chinese? Does this mean Africans descended from China?

Here is one additional piece of evidence: only Jews, Arabs, and West Africans commonly practiced male circumcision.

theMerovingian:
Here is one additional piece of evidence: only Jews, Arabs, and West Africans commonly practiced male circumcision.

Fake news. Polynesians, Australian Aborigines, some Native American tribes, the Incas, the Mayans and the Aztecs are prominent examples of groups with long histories of circumcision pre-dating colonialism.

Obi1kenobi:


Fake news. Polynesians, Australian Aborigines, some Native American tribes, the Incas, the Mayans and the Aztecs are prominent examples of groups with long histories of circumcision pre-dating colonialism.

Whatever floats your boat. I am talking about ritualistic circumcision.

theMerovingian:

Whatever floats your boat. I am talking about ritualistic circumcision.

"Ritualistic circumcision"? Whatever that is supposed to mean, you're STILL wrong.

You can Google this: Several DNA tests conducted on Ashkenazi Jews (ie the majority of white Jews today) indicated a Jewish patriarch and an European matriarch.

That is, they are descendants of a Jewish father and an European mum.

Now the question is, WHERE ARE THE DESCENDANTS OF JEWISH PATRIARCH AND JEWISH MATRIARCH LOCATED IN THE WORLD TODAY? That is the ancient Israelites descendants. Where are they?

Is it because the igbos and other black Israelites in Africa no longer speak the Hebrew language or keep the law,that's why u don't see them as Israelites?

Well this was prophesized to happen to the Israelites:

" And thou, even of thyself, shalt discontinue from thy heritage That I gave thee; And I will cause thee to serve thine enemies In the land which thou knowest not..." --- Jeremiah 17:4

Obi1kenobi:


The bolded makes no sense. I expected you to refute it, but you just gave a sentimental response. What was untrue about the fact our ancestors bequeathed no literature to their progeny which narrates our history and traditions? What is untrue about the fact history in our pre-colonial society has mostly been passed on by oral tradition? Why should admitting those simple facts be "inferiority complex"? So if I say my civil servant father is not as rich as Dangote, that means I have an "inferiority complex"? Nothin' I no go hear for this forum, sha....

My bad. There were multiple posts and your retorts to the OP that led me to conclude such. (I may also have ascribed authorship of one other poster's comments to you while I was speed reading at work. ) Taken by itself the quote I highlighted wouldn't convict you as a self-hater. But, generally knocking oral history, saying our people lack a deep history, using phrases like illiteracy, "unfortunate consequences" due to my ancestors lacking something despite the efforts they made to make sure you survived as a strong man with hardy DNA and sound mind, will.

I also disagree that our "history was never properly codified for posterity." Below is information about Ifa from an adherent who makes it his life's mission to preserve it and disseminate it to the generations. Because of persecution and colonisation we've been brainwashed that Africa has nothing. Who spread this lie? The same people who wanted to exploit us. Because "history" is written down doesn't make it truthful. It depends on the biases of the writer. We were harmed and continue to be harmed by propaganda. Propaganda and lies on a monumental scale.

What is Ifa in real sense?

Ifa is one of the orisa (divinity) of Yoruba people. It started in Ile-Ife since the beginning of Yoruba race. We know of Obatala, Ogun, Oya, Osun and so on. Ifa is one of them but it is different because it has more extensive literature than any other divinity. All the chants of Ogun can be rendered in two volumes; like the size of a Bible.

But that of Ifa is versed. There are 256 odus (books) of Ifa. Each odu contains 800 stories. The first book is Ejiogbe and it has 800 stories. In all, we have a total of 204,800 stories. That will fill the size of a large library. There is no other literature in the world that has such volume. Ifa is the greatest heritage of Africa. It talks about everything. It is our own encyclopaedia which is held orally. It is a testimony to the fact that human brain can retain a lot of information without having to write anything. Unfortunately, a lot of it has been forgotten but a good deal of it is still alive.

I have written 10 volumes on Ifa alone and is being used around the world. Nigerians don’t read books. In schools, they just read handouts or a few texts given by the teachers. About 25 years ago, I noticed that some of my books were not available, so I re-edited some of them. One of such books now sells for $1000 per copy in the US.

http://punchng.com/i-was-ridiculed-for-returning-home-a-poor-senator-prof-wande-abimbola/

Obi1kenobi:


I disagree with the OP's post, but this is a stewpid comment. The Bible is a work of literature. It was written by men, collected and compiled by men, translated by men, and published by men. Not even Jewish people, the founding civilization of the Abrahamic religions, go around claiming the Bible is some infallible work. That is why till today, they are not even Christians. Yet, you, conquered and enslaved by the colonialists and given a Bible to pacify your ancestors and "civilize" them are here killing yourself over an imported religion that your colonial masters are even abandoning.

Thank you for the above response to the poster who thinks we are not qualified to decipher the bible.

Below is another of your comment that got my ire up. But we'll move forward. . .

Obi1kenobi:

Africa is doomed to mental slavery, I swear. There is no hope for this continent.

Hardfacts234:
You can Google this: Several DNA tests conducted on Ashkenazi Jews (ie the majority of white Jews today) indicated a Jewish patriarch and an European matriarch.

That is, they are descendants of a Jewish father and an European mum.

Now the question is, WHERE ARE THE DESCENDANTS OF JEWISH PATRIARCH AND JEWISH MATRIARCH LOCATED IN THE WORLD TODAY? That is the ancient Israelites descendants. Where are they?

Is it because the igbos and other black Israelites in Africa no longer speak the Hebrew language or keep the law,that's why u don't see them as Israelites?

Well this was prophesized to happen to the Israelites:

" And thou, even of thyself, shalt discontinue from thy heritage That I gave thee; And I will cause thee to serve thine enemies In the land which thou knowest not..." --- Jeremiah 17:4

It's hardly a secret that Ashkenazi Jews have plenty of European heritage. All it means is their male Jewish settlers in Europe often bred with and married European women. Many Ashkenazis are barely differentiable from Caucasians and could basically be called "white". Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews by contrast look more like their Semitic/Arab cousins because they cross-bred more with fellow Jews and other Middle-Eastern people.

Igbos have never EVER spoken any Hebrew language and not one shred of proof of this exists. They don't even belong to the same family of languages. Hebrew belongs to the Semitic family of Afro-Asiatic languages. The only ethnic group in Nigeria that speaks an Afro-Asiatic language are Hausas and a few Sahelian Northern minorities. Igbo belongs to the Niger-Congo group of languages which means they share common heritage with the Niger-Congo groups across West, Central, East and Southern Africa.

Stop promoting this embarrassing fraud. When even supposedly educated Igbos keep promoting this fraud, then what hope is there for the less-educated. This is why you see many Igbo traders, okada riders, keke and bus drivers etc mounting Israel flags on their dashboard like efulefus. And Nnamdi Kanu's rallies were never complete without efulefus carrying Israel flag about. The total global Jewish population is barely 12 million, mostly in Israel and the US, which means Igbos are even far more populated. They are perfectly proud of who they are and they don't know you or care about you, so show the same goddamn pride in your own heritage and stop appropriating the history and heritage of an alien people.

isalegan2:


My bad. There were multiple posts and your retorts to the OP that led me to conclude such. (I may also have ascribed authorship of one other poster's comments to you while I was speed reading at work. ) Taken by itself the quote I highlighted wouldn't convict you as a self-hater. But, generally knocking oral history, saying our people lack a deep history, using phrases like illiteracy, "unfortunate consequences" due to my ancestors lacking something despite the efforts they made to make sure you survived as a strong man with hardy DNA and sound mind, will.

I also disagree that our "history was never properly codified for posterity." Below is information about Ifa from an adherent who makes it his life's mission to preserve it and disseminate it to the generations. Because of persecution and colonisation we've been brainwashed that Africa has nothing. Who spread this lie? The same people who wanted to exploit us. Because "history" is written down doesn't make it truthful. It depends on the biases of the writer. We were harmed and continue to be harmed by propaganda. Propaganda and lies on a monumental scale.

What is Ifa in real sense?

Ifa is one of the orisa (divinity) of Yoruba people. It started in Ile-Ife since the beginning of Yoruba race. We know of Obatala, Ogun, Oya, Osun and so on. Ifa is one of them but it is different because it has more extensive literature than any other divinity. All the chants of Ogun can be rendered in two volumes; like the size of a Bible.

But that of Ifa is versed. There are 256 odus (books) of Ifa. Each odu contains 800 stories. The first book is Ejiogbe and it has 800 stories. In all, we have a total of 204,800 stories. That will fill the size of a large library. There is no other literature in the world that has such volume. Ifa is the greatest heritage of Africa. It talks about everything. It is our own encyclopaedia which is held orally. It is a testimony to the fact that human brain can retain a lot of information without having to write anything. Unfortunately, a lot of it has been forgotten but a good deal of it is still alive.

I have written 10 volumes on Ifa alone and is being used around the world. Nigerians don’t read books. In schools, they just read handouts or a few texts given by the teachers. About 25 years ago, I noticed that some of my books were not available, so I re-edited some of them. One of such books now sells for $1000 per copy in the US.

http://punchng.com/i-was-ridiculed-for-returning-home-a-poor-senator-prof-wande-abimbola/

Credit to the man and what he's trying to do with promoting the Ifa tradition, but I still don't see how this refutes what I said. I didn't say we have no history. I said our ancestors didn't bequeath any literature that properly documented our history. This means a lot of what is propagated today is subject to a lot of speculation. And people fill the knowledge gaps with myths that don't have a shred of proof.

Neither am I blaming our ancestors for anything. I'm blaming the generation of people that rather than do proper research as to our history, choose to make up lazy myths and call it "history". I get particularly sensitive about this Jewish thing as an Igbo man, because I find the claims embarrassing. If I heard an Ibibio man claiming they're descended from Jews, I'll laugh at him. When I hear a fellow Igbo say it, it pisses me off cos it's an embarrassing denigration of our heritage to be claiming to be something we're not.

Obi1kenobi:


It's hardly a secret that Ashkenazi Jews have plenty of European heritage. All it means is their male Jewish settlers in Europe often bred with and married European women. Many Ashkenazis are barely differentiable from Caucasians and could basically be called "white". Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews by contrast look more like their Semitic/Arab cousins because they cross-bred more with fellow Jews and other Middle-Eastern people.

Igbos have never EVER spoken any Hebrew language and not one shred of proof of this exists. They don't even belong to the same family of languages. Hebrew belongs to the Semitic family of Afro-Asiatic languages. The only ethnic group in Nigeria that speaks an Afro-Asiatic language are Hausas and a few Sahelian Northern minorities. Igbo belongs to the Niger-Congo group of languages which means they share common heritage with the Niger-Congo groups across West, Central, East and Southern Africa.

Stop promoting this embarrassing fraud. When even supposedly educated Igbos keep promoting this fraud, then what hope is there for the less-educated. This is why you see many Igbo traders, okada riders, keke and bus drivers etc mounting Israel flags on their dashboard like efulefus. And Nnamdi Kanu's rallies were never complete without efulefus carrying Israel flag about. The total global Jewish population is barely 12 million, mostly in Israel and the US, which means Igbos are even far more populated. They are perfectly proud of who they are and they don't know you or care about you, so show the same goddamn pride in your own heritage and stop appropriating the history and heritage of an alien people.

The Ashkenazi Jews in Europe never spoke Hebrew language as their mother tongue but Yiddish (a mixture of German) and other European languages.

Hebrew was only used by Ashkenazis as a language of worship, just as Hausas in Nigeria use Arabic as a language of worship but not mother tongue. I have forgotten the name of the man that introduced Hebrew language to the Ashkenazi Jews,the language was never original to them.

After the establishment of the state of Israel in1948 there was language clash among the returning Jews. Mizrachis spoke mostly Arabic,Sephardis spoke mainly Spanish and Portuguese and Ashkenazis spoke Yiddish and other east European languages. Hebrew was never their mother tongue rather it was learned.

Talkng about population of Jewish. The Jews in Israel today still acknowledges the fact that about 10 tribes of the ancient Israelites are missing which means that when eventually found the world Jews population will be in tens of millions

Hardfacts234:

The Ashkenazi Jews in Europe never spoke Hebrew language as their mother tongue but Yiddish (a mixture of German) and other European languages.

Hebrew was only used by Ashkenazis as a language of worship, just as Hausas in Nigeria use Arabic as a language of worship but not mother tongue. I have forgotten the name of the man that introduced Hebrew language to the Ashkenazi Jews,the language was never original to them.

After the establishment of the state Israel in1948 there was language clash among the returning Jews. Mizrachis spoke mostly Arabic,Sephardis spoke mainly Spanish and Portuguese and Ashkenazis spoke Yiddish and other east European languages. Hebrew was never their mother tongue rather it was learned.

I'm not sure what your point is here. Who said Ashkenazis spoke Hebrew? Yiddish was developed in the 9th century as an Indo-European language fusing Germanic, Slavic and Romance language elements with Hebrew and Aramaic. And the Yiddish language was written with the Hebrew alphabet. Hebrew wasn't the mother tongue tongue of the zionists that moved back to Israel, because they didn't grow up speaking it. But it was certainly their ancestral mother tongue along with Judeo-Aramaic.

Taking about population of Jewish. The Jews in Israel today still acknowledges the fact that about 10 tribes of the ancient Israelites are missing which means that when eventually found the world Jews population will be in tens of millions

Really? Which 10 tribes? And this "acknowledgement" is documented where? When were this tribes missing and how is it their ancestors didn't tell their progeny where they came from or document it in writing for posterity even though Jews have been literate for thousands of years?

After repeated conquests by their bigger neighbours and marauding empires, Jews have been flung all over the Middle-East, North Africa and Europe for thousands of years and maintained their Jewish identity.

1 of the best discussion (outside of the rude comments) I have ever seen anywhere on this topic. Medase!!! Daalu!!���� Biko....keep it goin ��

AlfaSeltzer:
Lies. I trust DNA evidence better. I am not a jew.

4 igbos men in california confirmed with DNA that they are Jews

blackhinstan:


4 igbos men in california confirmed with DNA that they are Jews

So what if we were jews? What does it change? Leave Igboland and go to Israel? No!

He is black like a typical southern Nigerian, and His name is Yahushua.
The Israelites make up at least 70% of the Sub-Saharan population.
These are the ethnicities in Africa that are from Israel-- Igbo (and all the sub-tribes from it), Yoruba, Ashanti, Akan, Bamileke, Madinka, The Bantu Tribes(Kikuyu, Bako, Tikar, Lemba, etc)

Etogist:
I'm enjoy this. I wish I can have this kind of knowledge.
Is Jesus white or black? And is his name really Jesus?