1stflight:


Guys, JWs in the house, please I need comments on this post and the one I made before this. This should be my 5th posts on this topic but I have not gotten a reply.

Kindly note that I am not here for unnecessary arguments......

Peace!!!

They won't answer you oh, Any one I ask this question will either run away or try to ask a question to deflect from it. They've not told them in their church how to answer it yet and they don't want to accept their hypocrisy and double standards

nkembaby008:



Meriam Webster Dictionary
Definition of sexual intercourse

1 :heterosexual intercourse involving penetration of the vagina by the penis :coitus
2 :intercourse (such as anal or oral intercourse) that does not involve penetration of the vagina by the penis

Simply the original definition is the first one.

religious intervention led to the one tagged (2) , and it was not the primary meaning of sexual intercourse . not all dictionary includes such, telling you there are varied opinion . Grow up

Now, my question is : Where did your bible say Anal Sex or MouthAction is Sexual intercourse or Fornication?

Peacefullove:


Simply the original definition is the first one.

religious intervention led to the one tagged (2) , and it was not the primary meaning of sexual intercourse . not all dictionary includes such, telling you there are varied opinion . Grow up

Now, my question is : Where did your bible say Anal Sex or MouthAction is Sexual intercourse or Fornication?

Lmao, I should grow up but you're arguing with a dictionary definition? It's clear your reason is flawed. The bible isn't a dictionary to tell you the meaning of words, so don't be silly.

nkembaby008:


Lmao, I should grow up but you're arguing with a dictionary definition? It's clear your reason is flawed. The bible isn't a dictionary to tell you the meaning of words, so don't be silly.

I earlier told you the dictionary you quoted emphasized vaginal sex, but only placed anal or MouthAction as secondary .

Whereas OXFORD dictionary I quoted for you earlier doesn't recognize the so called secondary form of sexual intercourse . Only Vaginal sex !! to emphasize my point that opinion varies.

so tell me how you arrive at Anal or Oral is directly Sexual Inter course ? Where is that written in the bible ?


Today many girls who thinks they are preserving their virginity gives MouthAction , including Anal and yes, They believe they have not fornicated, what do u say to that ?



#In short, my point is if opinion varies and some count oral or anal sex to include Fornication, which are not even spelled out in your Bible are they wrong ?

If some people now includes transfusion into the body to mean same as Eating through the mouth , are they also wrong ?

and just like a Girl who receives penis from the anus and. claims she hasn't fornicated since it wasn't through the vagina , So also folks who receive blood via transfusion and claim they are still abstaining since it wasn't received through the mouth , get my point ?

if u present the argument that blood transfusion is not mentioned in the bible, Show me the word " MouthAction " or " Anal Sex " in the same bible ?

Peacefullove:


I earlier told you the dictionary you quoted emphasized vaginal sex, but only placed anal or MouthAction as secondary .

Whereas OXFORD dictionary I quoted for you earlier doesn't recognize the so called secondary form of sexual intercourse . Only Vaginal sex !! to emphasize my point that opinion varies.

so tell me how you arrive at Anal or Oral is directly Sexual Inter course ? Where is that written in the bible ?


Today many girls who thinks they are preserving their virginity gives MouthAction , including Anal and yes, They believe they have not fornicated, what do u say to that ?



#In short, my point is if opinion varies and some count oral or anal sex to include Fornication, which are not even spelled out in your Bible are they wrong ?

If some people now includes transfusion into the body to mean same as Eating through the mouth , are they also wrong ?

and just like a Girl who receives penis from the anus and. claims she hasn't fornicated since it wasn't through the vagina , So also folks who receive blood via transfusion and claim they are still abstaining since it wasn't received through the mouth , get my point ?

if u present the argument that blood transfusion is not mentioned in the bible, Show me the word " MouthAction " or " Anal Sex " in the same bible ?

Mate, wtf does that have to do with me. I showed you how sexual intercourse includes other forms of sex from the dictionary but you said it's secondary . So if you want to believe that anal or MouthAction is not fornication, good on you. 1 corinthians 6:9-11 says "Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men"

By your definition, men can't have sexual intercourse with each other because one doesn't have a vagina. Does that make the slightest of sense to you?

nkembaby008:



Mate, wtf does that have to do with me. I showed you how sexual intercourse includes other forms of sex from the dictionary but you said it's secondary . So if you want to believe that anal or MouthAction is not fornication, good on you. 1 corinthians 6:9-11 says "Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men"

By your definition, men can't have sexual intercourse with each other because one doesn't have a vagina. Does that make the slightest of sense to you?

And yeah, Finally I arrived at the point I needed , If Sexual intercourse remains sexual intercourse despite if it was done through the mouth, Anus or Vagina .. no matter the way it was done still Fornication and anyone doing that cannot claim to have not fornicated .

how then can you Separate someone that takes BLOOD from the vein from someone that takes the exact same BLOOD from the mouth ? is that still abstinence from Blood , does it make any sense to you if anyone said I abstained from blood but takes bag of BLOOD into their body ?

Peacefullove:



And yeah, Finally I arrived at the point I needed , If Sexual intercourse remains sexual intercourse despite if it was done through the mouth, Anus or Vagina .. no matter the way it was done still Fornication and anyone doing that cannot claim to have not fornicated .

how then can you Separate someone that takes BLOOD from the vein from someone that takes the exact same BLOOD from the mouth ? is that still abstinence from Blood , does it make any sense to you if anyone said I abstained from blood but takes bag of BLOOD into their body ?

Well, you should be asking the Jehovahs witnesses that question because they said they abstain from blood, but still take blood fractions transfusion

nkembaby008:



Lmao, I asked you a question on the 3rd of November and you don't answer and you come on the 5th of November and ask me a question and yet I'm the one running away?

Be identified as a fraud? what the hell? What do they even teach you in your church? I said it's in your own bible, what will it take to open your bible and check? I'm not your governing body to spoon feed you every information you need that you should have.

So since you refused to answer my question for how many days now, are you a fraud?

Oga answer the question: Whether you take in Indian hemp through the mouth or infuse it, haven't you done the same thing? Food can be eaten or infused, do you disagree?

Your statement that ALL those verses had always been there in the NWT is false. Since you don't have any proof, just keep mom.

JMAN05:


Oga answer the question: Whether you take in Indian hemp through the mouth or infuse it, haven't you done the same thing? Food can be eaten or infused, do you disagree?

Your statement that ALL those verses had always been there in the NWT is false. Since you don't have any proof, just keep mom.

you ran away cos you couldn't answer her questions and now you expect her to answer you.
I Hope you know your leaders are gradually shifting away from their assumption that blood transfusion is the same thing as blood eating?

JMAN05:


Oga answer the question: Whether you take in Indian hemp through the mouth or infuse it, haven't you done the same thing? Food can be eaten or infused, do you disagree?

Your statement that ALL those verses had always been there in the NWT is false. Since you don't have any proof, just keep mom.

Those verses used to be there. Look for old edition of your bible or rather check and compare all editions of your bible. Always lying to avoid reality.
Just because you want to live on an imaginary earth you lie to make your religion look good.

JMAN05:


Oga answer the question: Whether you take in Indian hemp through the mouth or infuse it, haven't you done the same thing? Food can be eaten or infused, do you disagree?

Your statement that ALL those verses had always been there in the NWT is false. Since you don't have any proof, just keep mom.

Madam, you're just exposing your hypocrisy by this continued display of ignorance. You call yourself a bible teacher and bla bla but simple questions, you refuse to answer because you know the answer doesn't correspond with what they teach you. I said it was removed, you asked for proof and I gave you. Now you want to see where it was, I've told you where to search but you don't want to, so you keep shut because you have nothing tangible to defend

nkembaby008:


Madam, you're just exposing your hypocrisy by this continued display of ignorance. You call yourself a bible teacher and bla bla but simple questions, you refuse to answer because you know the answer doesn't correspond with what they teach you. I said it was removed, you asked for proof and I gave you. Now you want to see where it was, I've told you where to search but you don't want to, so you keep shut because you have nothing tangible to defend

No, you are the one that spoke falsehood. Since you are so proud to admit your mistake, I ll have to rub it on ur face. All this while you go and quote where you got what you said, why haven't you done the same for this ? You know there is no way to prove the falsehood. You said the verses had been there for 52yrs. So show me how it was there all these for 52yrs. By now you should have giving a link. Admit you were wrong, pride won't allow you.

Give answer to this question and stop running. Whether you take in Indian hemp through the mouth or infuse it, haven't you done the same thing? Food can be eaten or infused, do you disagree? (What is hard in this if not that you don't want to face the truth?)

JMAN05:


No, you are the one that spoke falsehood. Since you are so proud to admit your mistake, I ll have to rub it on ur face. All this while you go and quote where you got what you said, why haven't you done the same for this ? You know there is no way to prove the falsehood. You said the verses had been there for 52yrs. So show me how it was there all these for 52yrs. By now you should have giving a link. Admit you were wrong, pride won't allow you.

Give answer to this question and stop running. Whether you take in Indian hemp through the mouth or infuse it, haven't you done the same thing? Food can be eaten or infused, do you disagree? (What is hard in this if not that you don't want to face the truth?)

You are the person teaching falsehood.

Be talking anyhow check the difference between the 1961, 1984 and 2013 editions of your new world translation. Or did your leaders tell you that the old edition of new world translation is an apostate material?

Also, before 1961 your religion was using bible other than the NWT. How come from 1879 to 1961 they included all verses in the Bible?

Why did they delete them?
Its obvious the deleted verses go against their beliefs.

Or are you saying the people in your religion who died prior to 1961 died believing the wrong thing?

You first said there were no missing verses and they should provide evidence. After that, they presented those verses which you later said weren't there because they are not in the original manuscript.

why put Jehovah 218 times in the new testament when it isn't seen in any Greek manuscript?
Is this not an example of double standards?
Your religion clearly has hypocrisy written all over it.

JMAN05:


No, you are the one that spoke falsehood. Since you are so proud to admit your mistake, I ll have to rub it on ur face. All this while you go and quote where you got what you said, why haven't you done the same for this ? You know there is no way to prove the falsehood. You said the verses had been there for 52yrs. So show me how it was there all these for 52yrs. By now you should have giving a link. Admit you were wrong, pride won't allow you.

Give answer to this question and stop running. Whether you take in Indian hemp through the mouth or infuse it, haven't you done the same thing? Food can be eaten or infused, do you disagree? (What is hard in this if not that you don't want to face the truth?)

FYI Indian hemp smoked or eaten will give same effect.
Food is never infused into the blood stream. You only eat food. You sound like an illiterate.
Do you know your leaders are shifting away from their beliefs that blood transfusion is blood eating?
This is what you get when illiterates tell you about a procedure they know nothing about.
just to give excuse for your evil non biblical doctrines you tell lies

JMAN05:


No, you are the one that spoke falsehood. Since you are so proud to admit your mistake, I ll have to rub it on ur face. All this while you go and quote where you got what you said, why haven't you done the same for this ? You know there is no way to prove the falsehood. You said the verses had been there for 52yrs. So show me how it was there all these for 52yrs. By now you should have giving a link. Admit you were wrong, pride won't allow you.

Give answer to this question and stop running. Whether you take in Indian hemp through the mouth or infuse it, haven't you done the same thing? Food can be eaten or infused, do you disagree? (What is hard in this if not that you don't want to face the truth?)

You're just grasping at the straws now and its so disappointing but I'm not surprised. Like I said, I asked you a question on the 3rd of November and I'm going to ask you the question again for the umpteenth time, I'll even quote how I wrote it more than a week ago

"The bible said do not eat blood. The same leviticus speculates death for adultery, so why don't you kill your members that commit adultery? So now bible laws is not black and white anymore, it's now principles? So answer this please, what principle said you can take blood fractions?"

It's been 11 days since I asked you that question and you haven't given me an answer but you come back days later asking me about indian hemp. Why can't you answer the question? How hard is it? are you not a fraud for trying to deflect the question? After all, it's something your church said you can do.
So why can't you defend your beliefs? Why can't you explain a simple question about your doctrines? You think by asking a question without answering the one posed to you, your ignorance isn't visible? I can only imagine how hard it must be for you, for not being able to answer a simple question knowing you'll contradict your church's teachings. So you scurry away for a few days and come back with a random question and side track what I asked. It's pathetic at this point, give up already.

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Whether you like it or not those who hate you will continue to hate you! Well i was a Muslim before becoming one of Jehovah's witnesses,i never knew normal people could be so cruel to themselves by depriving themselves of good things until i met Jehovah's Witnesses. They taught me how to view issues with unbiased mind and gradually i began to see what God called "the wicked", in fact it is neither an armed robber,hired killer,ritualist,witches,wizards and so on because Jesus convinced many of these ones to become Christians. So who is the WICKED? If not someone who just keep spreading bad reports of things he/she is not sure of, most people will just hear something about someone and right from that very moment they start hating the person without verification! But when they are wrongly accused,they'll start crying onto God for justice. Exodus 23:2 Agape to all my brothers and sisters

I have nothing against dem,infact I find there teaching interesting but the majority I have come in contact with re pretenders, I know what am saying kos I have worked with a jw family, dey will keep malice within demselves nd still go out to preach what I don't know. nd I think dey also encourage divorce a lot, nd I also don't understand why dey address other people as wordly.most of dem don't give dere children proper home training. they only train em to go to kingdom hall,go for preaching, nd hw to bcome a pioneer. I still like dem sha

Regarding exchange of tracts it's pointless because our major tool for preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom is the Bible, but the truth is that most people do say "i'm busy now" so a tract or publication with points for discussion is appropriate. Later we can come together for the discussion at the person's leisure.
Last year my wife and i were distributing the invitation to the memorial of Jesus' death, a Pastor of the Deeper life church saw us, of course our bags and appearance makes it obvious that we're Jehovah's Witnesses. But in a bid to say "you people are giving people yours and not collecting from others" he approached us with an invitation to their camp along Lagos~Ibadan express way. My wife was about to object but i quickly cut in and tactfully asked our friend
"please what is that for?" he responded
"it's our church program and ministering is Pastor Kumuyi" i took it and looking through i asked further
"are you sure that this has anything to do with Jesus or God's Kingdom?" he responded
"yes look at the picture" pointing to the painting. I then asked again
"can you show me a Bible quotation on this paper? " That's when he realized that there is NO single quotation of the scriptures on what he's carrying about! So i presented our own, showing him the Bible quotes and explaining what we're doing as Jesus Himself commanded,saying to him
"this is why we don't exchange tracts with you people because most of you just go about with it not even aware of it's content talkless how to preach the gospel of God's kingdom" he felt ashamed and embarrassed so he said
"i know you Jehovah's Witnesses are lawyers,because you're good at defending yourself". Then i quoted Isaiah 54:17 and tactfully asked him
"are you saying this scripture is directed to Jehovah's Witnesses?" he became speechless so i said i'll be coming to discuss with him in his house but he never allowed for further discussion. However i felt he now knows better!

Ifyhills:
I have nothing against dem,infact I find there teaching interesting but the majority I have come in contact with re pretenders, I know what am saying kos I have worked with a jw family, dey will keep malice within demselves nd still go out to preach what I don't know. nd I think dey also encourage divorce a lot, nd I also don't understand why dey address other people as wordly.most of dem don't give dere children proper home training. they only train em to go to kingdom hall,go for preaching, nd hw to bcome a pioneer. I still like dem sha

That's true Sir! Jesus didn't gather perfect persons as followers but imperfect individuals. Yet He said those not following Him are doomed! John 3:16
So the question is "Why Was a Judas Iscariot and many as such amongst His followers?" The answer is simple sir,no matter how hard you train children some will fail to apply what you teach them because they're not keeping it at heart. Matthew 7:21-23
Jesus concludes that most of these ones will build upon sandy foundations and their houses will eventually collapse. Matthew 7:24-27
But still those who fails to IDENTIFY the Teacher's group can never get a passmark.
There are other things that you need to know about true Christians :We must not carry weapons for any reason! Of course some good for nothing individuals will follow us and go for jass to avenge themselves since weapons are forbidden,but they know they're not true Christians anyway.
We mustn't take side with politicians! Because our only hope is God's Kingdom (government) to be headed by Jesus.
We mustn't be part of racial discrimination! No matter where anyone comes from, as long as he/she is a baptised member 'he/she is a member of our global family'
The Governing Body is Jesus' representative that all members must follow strictly! Now this is where outsiders like you get things wrong because instead of noting what the organization says, you're banking on what you see unfaithful members doing outside. If you're a contemporary of Jesus,would you be saying "Jesus taught His followers how to betray trust" after seeing what Judas Iscariot and Peter did? Of course you should first find out exactly what He taught them!

TATIME:
That's true Sir! Jesus didn't gather perfect persons as followers but imperfect individuals. Yet He said those not following Him are doomed! John 3:16
So the question is "Why Was a Judas Iscariot and many as such amongst His followers?" The answer is simple sir,no matter how hard you train children some will fail to apply what you teach them because they're not keeping it at heart. Matthew 7:21-23
Jesus concludes that most of these ones will build upon sandy foundations and their houses will eventually collapse. Matthew 7:24-27
But still those who fails to IDENTIFY the Teacher's group can never get a passmark.
There are other things that you need to know about true Christians :We must not carry weapons for any reason! Of course some good for nothing individuals will follow us and go for jass to avenge themselves since weapons are forbidden,but they know they're not true Christians anyway.
We mustn't take side with politicians! Because our only hope is God's Kingdom (government) to be headed by Jesus.
We mustn't be part of racial discrimination! No matter where anyone comes from, as long as he/she is a baptised member 'he/she is a member of our global family'
The Governing Body is Jesus' representative that all members must follow strictly! Now this is where outsiders like you get things wrong because instead of noting what the organization says, you're banking on what you see unfaithful members doing outside. If you're a contemporary of Jesus,would you be saying "Jesus taught His followers how to betray trust" after seeing what Judas Iscariot and Peter did? Of course you should first find out exactly what He taught them!

thanks for the explanation, must I be a jw bfor I see God's Kingdom, nd please I am abit confused by ur concept of the resurrection day. after resurrection do families come together like for example husband nd his wife nd dere children. nd what do you teach about Eve nd lots wife will dey resurrect?

Ifyhills:

thanks for the explanation, must I be a jw bfor I see God's Kingdom, nd please I am abit confused by ur concept of the resurrection day. after resurrection do families come together like for example husband nd his wife nd dere children. nd what do you teach about Eve nd lots wife will dey resurrect?

Thanks for following Sir, please note that our preaching and teaching program is not to be done on social media so i'll implore you to consider studying the Bible face to face with a fully competent and completely equipped JW. But i'll take few of your questions.
God's Kingdom is only for those who knew it's purpose and plans that's why Jesus commanded that His followers go out there to educate people so whoever is not well informed won't be allowed to be there because such persons won't fit in to the arrangement! John 17:3 compared with Roman's 10:13-15
Adam and Eve are gone forever, they're never coming back again because they disobeyed God directly, if not for what they caused we don't need Jesus to come and die. We'll have been living well in Paradise without sickness suffering or death!

TATIME:
Thanks for following Sir, please note that our preaching and teaching program is not to be done on social media so i'll implore you to consider studying the Bible face to face with a fully competent and completely equipped JW. But i'll take few of your questions.
God's Kingdom is only for those who knew it's purpose and plans that's why Jesus commanded that His followers go out there to educate people so whoever is not well informed won't be allowed to be there because such persons won't fit in to the arrangement! John 17:3 compared with Roman's 10:13-15
Adam and Eve are gone forever, they're never coming back again because they disobeyed God directly, if not for what they caused we don't need Jesus to come and die. We'll have been living well in Paradise without sickness suffering or death!

OK thanks.

Ifyhills:

OK thanks.

You're welcome Sir!

Danelo:
The bible was rewritten by them, they changed some words and if I remember well one particular verse in KJV or more is missing

Not all translators use the same words either.

Danelo:
The bible was rewritten by them, they changed some words and if I remember well one particular verse in KJV or more is missing

JWs did not rewrite the Bible.
We use all Bibles but love the New World Translation (NWT) of the Holy SCRIPTURES because it is very easy to understand& more importantly the name of God& the author of the Bible ,Jehovah (YHWH) appears over 7000 times .
Whereas many Bible translations substituted the name of Jehovah with titles such as The Lord,LORD GOD etc.

Any verse not in the oldest Greek manuscripts were blank . But in the KJV translated from 16th century Textus Receptus,those blank verses were 'filled' with words lifted from other verses/chapters of the Bible.
For instance, Matt23:14 is a blank verse but the words of Luke 20:47 was placed there in the KJV.



Lying Pharisees will falsely claim that 'missing verses' were removed from the Bible.
Yet dem no get even any evidence for their lie lie.