ivandragon:



so is it worth the value?


I really couldn't careless if you support pmb, because people like you are fickle minded & easily deceived by politicians who use your little minds for their own ends...


I am for a better Nigeria, just today on another thread, I have had cause to defend this same administration, in the past I have been castigated for supporting a government policy of this government...

however, unlike you, I am objective, because when I criticise what I feel is wrong in one administration, I will do same in another...

I do not have double standards, nor am I a hypocritical cry baby.

the issue has always been, is the website worth the amount spent?

you keep running around in circles with your fellow miscreants deceiving yourselves with websites/portals whose businesses are key to their survival...

now tell me, beyond providing information, what else does the site have?


but hey, you can choose to remain in your filth of accumulated stupidity... your problem, not mine...

You are too partisan to have seen all that the portal would feature, that I begin to wonder if you even read the news at all before posting it on this forum.

The ministry has hinged the success of its drive to revive the solid minerals sector on this portal, just as you have agreed that certain business hold their own portals as a key to their own survival. We all agree the ministry has been dead from inception, so what is wrong to bring it alive with a tool you have agreed have kept global businesses alive and competitive?

Is it a crime that the ministry of solid minerals is determined to leapfrog the doldrums and finally burst into the new millennium 17years late?

That you call that portal as just providing information as if it is a CraigDavid.com website where you go to see upcoming concert dates in the hay days of that R&B star, already belies your claims of being objective.

Let the portal fail to drive the ministry to the heights that they set, then you can begin to call it a waste of money when it has failed to be productive.

For all those who are naive out there, $2m on a portal is not wasted money as long as the portal provides value for money spent. Secondly, the amount is not outlandish and beyond what is globally obtainable.

Do not let ignorant and partisan people worsen your already handicapped condition.

Throwback:


So N700m is to the Americans like $700m?

And yet some claim ICT has made the world a global village, forgetting that cave dwellers like you still exist far from the periphery.

if you follow the thought pattern from previous post, you would understand properly what he is saying..

america used $9m for their government website, take note (the american government). since dollar is the currency of usa, $9m dollars is just $9m dollars.

ministry of minning used $2.1m, take note (just a ministry and not the whole Nigeria government). since dollar aint nigeria's currency, we have to convert it amounting to +N700m

since you want to compare Nigeria to america, juxtapose our conditions, how much would american government use to design their site? it would amount to $900m..

understand things well before you jump to comment

and then, if one ministry used $2.1m for its website, lets say we have 10 ministries in Nigeria, thats about $21m, is Nigeria bigger than the american government?

clevadani:

That's bs. I am a fullstack developer and that amount is outrageous no matter the complexities involved in the development of the portal.

I am also a supporter of this current govt, but let's stop deceiving ourselves and say the truth at all times. Only then can we progress as a nation.

Bros,

With due respect, can you explicate a model to guide on what should be the ideal cost of the project?

ivandragon:



I guess you checked out the site, but rather than be truthful, you bolster your dumb assertions & oppinion with misguided braggadocio...

.....for someone who can not even navigate to the correct location of the portal

mapet:


Wong link. This is the correct link

http://gisportal.minesandsteel.gov.ng/gisportal/home/

doesn't the website have links to what you posted?

look, a portal is just a website with a special design (to put it simply)...

Mapet, you are one of the few people I respect their opposing views, but don't drag yourself into what you well know is not worth it...

hope you recall that this is the same ministry that budgeted almost N1b to purchase computers in 2016...

what is wrong is wrong, lets not sugar coat these things...

if we all start trying to paint black as white, then even Deziani can be defended...

to move forward, a line must be drawn...

if you however, insist that the website/portal is worth the amount expended, then lets simply agree to disagree...

mapet:


Let me put this in perspective. I think the first place to start is to use google, or ask those who are in the business what ERP is and what value an ERP project will cost a medium to large-size organisation? Secondly for you to ask what ERP is, signifies that you are not conversant with the software/solution projects. If this premise is correct then making bold statements to adduce fraud to the cost of deployment of a solution portal is somewhat deceptive. I believe a simple and honourable thing to have done is to first ask if this is realistic and let those that have knowledge in it explain (who knows? it might be bloated). To now make bold and assertive statements and claim it is fraud (on a totally ignorant premise) But when someone says "visit the website and tell me if it is worth N700m...." just tells me such a person is totally ignorant and arrogantly displaying his ignorance

So the ERP project I superintended consisted of the following
1. Financials
2. HR
3. Supply Chain
4. Materials Management
5. Logistics

Now all these work at the background, but most solutions are web-enabled, so what you see at the front-end is just a web pages, making it look like you simply launch a website. In software business, licensing cost takes a huge chunk. This is where you're really paying for the intellectual property/patented knowledge. If my memory serves me right we paid over 350k Euros for the first 50 user license(phase 1) and 420k upgraded to 150users at phase 2, then you pay deployment cost, annual maintenance, updates and upgrades, training (some of your users are flown abroad for training). Then when you consider user support, which is billed per hour, the cost keep going up

Pls note, I cannot give you fine details beyond this level, as this is my company's confidential information. I hope this serves.....

did i in anyway imply fraud from what you quoted?

the comment i implied fraud, didnt i show a link supporting my claim.

you can pass out info without insulting one. your field of specialty is not my field of specialty, but clouding your comments in technical terms does no good to anybody other than making you think you are better and making others think that you are a fool who's bad at communicating sanely

Throwback:


You are too partisan to have seen all that the portal would feature, that I begin to wonder if you even read the news at all before posting it on this forum.

The ministry has hinged the success of its drive to revive the solid minerals sector on this portal, just as you have agreed that certain business hold their own portals as a key to their own survival. We all agree the ministry has been dead from inception, so what is wrong to bring it alive with a tool you have agreed have kept global businesses alive and competitive?

Is it a crime that the ministry of solid minerals is determined to leapfrog the doldrums and finally burst into the new millennium 17years late?

That you call that portal as just providing information as if it is a CraigDavid.com website where you go to see upcoming concert dates in the hay days of that R&B star, already belies your claims of being objective.

Let the portal fail to drive the ministry to the heights that they set, then you can begin to call it a waste of money when it has failed to be productive.

For all those who are naive out there, $2m on a portal is not wasted money as long as the portal provides value for money spent. Secondly, the amount is not outlandish and beyond what is globally obtainable.

Do not let ignorant and partisan people worsen your already handicapped condition.

Lord have mercy...


you are dull...

you obviously don't understand the concept of value... you are projecting what the site might do after $2m has been sunk & this is all we have to show for it?


feel free to defend/justify this obvious shortchanging of Nigeria.

mapet:


.....and you question a N700m investment for a scale of what will serve a country?

what is wrong with you chaps?

so a fully functional ICT centre is now a website?


an ICT centre that provides internet access for over 5000 people daily?


haba mapet... you used to be much more thorough in your analysis...

when did your standards start dropping to this extent?

greenek:


you still havent shown proof of the GT job that pays what you claimed except for your words which is only tenable to you..major jobsearch engines pinned it to a lil above 500k for the top3 companies and btw 200-400k for the others. their data is well proven.. proof yours before you call others ignoramus..

Bros you still dey this matter? That N500k you see there is what OND operators will earn in ExxonMobil. Infact with bulk upfront payment, I can guarantee you OND operators in Eket will probably earn over N12m per annum.

Let me tell you a true narrative that might help you to disregard all those fictional and conservative salary data you have been researching.

Whenever I go to glass door to enquire about some type of pay, you get some feedback. Any attempt to go further will require you to put in your own pay package as a way to continue to build their database of records.

At this point, I always turn back, rather than enter my own pay information. Many in my industry are like me, some will even tender any false amount they can think of. Many will never even dissuade you from the false information that you have as fallacy mistaken for fact.

Any graduate engineer in any of the oil majors earn more than N1m per month when you look at the total earning for a whole year and divide by 12months.

If someone tells you he earns N800k per month but has already received a separate bulk pay of over N10m for the year, is that not over N1.5m per month?

Now I am telling you that some will earn that N1.5m minus bulk pay and they have never been promoted and got in as trainee engineers with some of the IOCs.

It is left for you to believe or not. Nobody will show you their payslip. Even husbands and wives hide such from each other.

Now leaving the entry level, do you know some people earn over $2000 dollars per day working as senior field consultants in deepwater operations for some of the IOCs on 28days rotation, so they only work every other month that equals 6months out of 12 months. Every amount or scenario I have ever given, are of people I know. Do you know that some Nigerians working offshore are not even resident in Nigeria, rather they fly into Nigeria for their 28days rotation and fly back to their family in US, Canada or Europe for the next 28days?

Many will never reveal what I have revealed, I also intend to reveal no more than this.

mapet:


.....for someone who can not even navigate to the correct location of the portal

http://portal.minesandsteel.gov.ng


stop being clever by less than half...

from the website, I can access any other page or portal on it...

greenek:


did i in anyway imply fraud from what you quoted?

the comment i implied fraud, didnt i show a link supporting my claim.

you can pass out info without insulting one. your field of specialty is not my field of specialty, but clouding your comments in technical terms does no good to anybody other than making you think you are better and making others think that you are a fool who's bad at communicating sanely

1. If there is no implication of fraud then why are we all on this topic>
2. If you think I am clouding my comments in technical terms after my somewhat elaborate explanations, then what else do you expect me to do?
3. This is not a personal contest. I declared my knowledge earlier on as a premise of my position of argument. FYI I left IT in 8yrs ago, so this I only shared my knowledge covering the period I was in the field.
4. You think I am a fool who is bad at communicating? Sorry about that. I only took your challenge asking me to elaborate.......other than that I suggest you can conveniently avoid me going forward

ivandragon:



so says one who has no sense of rational reasoning when it comes to defending his/her preferred rogues in power...

You see, this is where we are different. I am here to share and benefit knowledge.......you on the other side see it as attacking and defending power. No wonder you make "intellectual blunders" virtually all the time

ivandragon:



http://portal.minesandsteel.gov.ng


stop being clever by less than half...

from the website, I can access any other page or portal on it...

Oh! so you have change your position. It is now a portal and not a website....... wonders shall never end

Throwback:


Bros you still dey this matter? That N500k you see there is what OND operators will earn in ExxonMobil. Infact with bulk upfront payment, I can guarantee you OND operators in Eket will probably earn over N12m per annum.

Let me tell you a true narrative that might help you to disregard all those fictional and conservative salary data you have been researching.

Whenever I go to glass door to enquire about some type of pay, you get some feedback. Any attempt to go further will require you to put in your own pay package as a way to continue to build their database of records.

At this point, I always turn back, rather than enter my own pay information. Many in my industry are like me, some will even tender any false amount they can think of. Many will never even dissuade you from the false information that you have as fallacy mistaken for fact.

An graduate engineer in any of the oil majors earn more than N1m per month when you look at the total earning for a whole year and divide by 12months.

If someone tells you he earns N800k per month but has already received a separate bulk pay of over N10m for the year, is that not over N1.5m per month?

Now I am telling you that some will earn that N1.5m minus bulk pay and they have never been promoted and got in as trainee engineers with some of the IOCs.

It is left for you to believe or not. Nobody will show you their payslip. Even husbands and wives hide such from each other.

Now leaving the entry level, do you know some people earn over $2000 dollars per day working as senior field consultants in deepwater operations for some of the IOCs on 28days rotation, so they only work every other month that equals 6months out of 12 months. Every amount or scenario I have ever given, are of people I know.

Many will never reveal what I have revealed, I also intend to reveal no more than this.

okai, thanks for the clarity..

ivandragon:



what is wrong with you chaps?

so a fully functional ICT centre is now a website?


an ICT centre that provides internet access for over 5000 people daily?


haba mapet... you used to be much more thorough in your analysis...

when did your standards start dropping to this extent?

You backtrack again...... you mean you want to compare an "ICT Centre" with the mine's portal? Oh I forgot, it's merely "website" to you

So many nitwits arguing like dumbheads here, justifying this corrupt act.

My forensic analysis of the portal in a while.....

mapet:


You see, this is where we are different. I am here to share and benefit knowledge.......you on the other side see it as attacking and defending power. No wonder you make "intellectual blunders" virtually all the time

you are only sharing deception & encouragement to support those who have clearly lost it.


the whole debate is has Nigeria gotten value for what has been spent on the so called portal?

if the country has spent over $50m & the site provides value for that amount, which should including expanding the sector exponentially, then fine...

but coming here to try to coral sane people to support what is clearly money not judiciously spent is a disservice to yourself...

mapet:


Oh! so you have change your position. It is now a portal and not a website....... wonders shall never end

ok...

now I see you are just been a troll...


you obviously don't know how to navigate a website...

mapet:


You backtrack again...... you mean you want to compare an "ICT Centre" with the mine's portal? Oh I forgot, it's merely "website" to you

you didn't read initially, get the bias out of your head first.


I see what you are doing...

trying to turn this into a troll fest...

lol...

I was highly impressed with what the website was for. Actually the idea was very innovative. As someone who studied Geology, I immediately keyed into the conceived idea of having an Integrated Automation and Interactive GIS-based Web Portal, coupled with business analytics and statistical data integration, that would be awesome in today's ever growing data analytics. Truly these stuffs cost a lot. So i checked up twitter later on and saw the link to the portal to see things for myself(via NEITI Twitter Handle).

http://portal.minesandsteel.gov.ng

Lo and behold, I logged in with my phone and did the usual login and the rest. The first thing I noticed was that the GIS-based portal alone was not enabled on mobile. I thought within myself that a portal of such supposed cash-gulping funds should FULLY be Mobile and PC-enhanced. This website, designed to be beneficial to mining investors for payments of royalties, online queries, GIS-based etc should have all its components FULLY supported on Mobile and PC.

I didn't let that weigh me down, I opened my PC to access the Website. I was able to see the GIS portal link on the top right of the portal's home page. I was delighted to click on this link, it went through. The next page displayed Web-based GIS maps of the areas of interest (Admin Boundary, Geology, Topology etc). I clicked on to view...... The links were completely truncated.
What I saw was quite embarrassing, a page that would later lead to another page where I'd download a picture of 1 kilobyte (1kb) for what he called a GIS-based web portal GIS data maps are high-end quality maps, in megabytes for a good visualization and interpretation.

This goes for all the other areas of interest highlighted on the map.

The idea was good, but the implementation and set up was horrible.



This is so not right, and I'm once again disappointed.

swtdrms:


You being a full stack developer doesn't put you in the know how of GIS. I am as well a programmer who has been working on a GIS application over the last six months, so I know better. GIS is no child's play I indeed well executed. There are many aspects to it. The company I work for is in the process of proposing a GIS application for DISCOs which should cost over a billion Naira to execute. So keep shut when you know nothing about a particular field.
The AGIS (Abuja Geographic Information Systems) which El-Rufai brought up when he was the minister was a huge project with huge cost as well, Today, it services justifies it cost, as we are all enjoying it's dividends.

I am not in anyway defending this ministry, I am only trying to educate you, letting you know that GIS isn't like the 10k website you are developing upandan calling yourself a full stack developer.

It's nice knowing you're a programmer. You should be careful with how you talk to people online, because you have no idea who you're talking to.
10k website? That's laughable.

Website is very basic, takes hours to load and no content, .7billion website, how much come be Facebook or amazon

ivandragon:



you didn't read initially, get the bias out of your head first.


I see what you are doing...

trying to turn this into a troll fest...

lol...

Oh! Seriously Bros, you think I take you serious?

mapet:

Oh! Seriously Bros, you think I take you serious?

lol...
if you didn't, you wouldn't bother asking that question...

take your peacock posturing elsewhere...
moth that thinks itself a bird...

lol...

ivandragon:



lol...

if you didn't, you wouldn't bother asking that question...


take your peacock posturing elsewhere...

moth that thinks itself a bird...


lol...

Fantastic, so you and I can rest it. It's not a "power game"........

Miss me

dawtune:
I was highly impressed with what the website was for. Actually the idea was very innovative. As someone who studied Geology, I immediately keyed into the conceived idea of having an Integrated Automation and Interactive GIS-based Web Portal, coupled with business analytics and statistical data integration, that would be awesome in today's ever growing data analytics. Truly these stuffs cost a lot. So i checked up twitter later on and saw the link to the portal to see things for myself(via NEITI Twitter Handle).

http://portal.minesandsteel.gov.ng

Lo and behold, I logged in with my phone and did the usual login and the rest. The first thing I noticed was that the GIS-based portal alone was not enabled on mobile. I thought within myself that a portal of such supposed cash-gulping funds should FULLY be Mobile and PC-enhanced. This website, designed to be beneficial to mining investors for payments of royalties, online queries, GIS-based etc should have all its components FULLY supported on Mobile and PC.

I didn't let that weigh me down, I opened my PC to access the Website. I was able to see the GIS portal link on the top right of the portal's home page. I was delighted to click on this link, it went through. The next page displayed Web-based GIS maps of the areas of interest (Admin Boundary, Geology, Topology etc). I clicked on to view...... The links were completely truncated.
What I saw was quite embarrassing, a page that would later lead to another page where I'd download a picture of 1 kilobyte (1kb) for what he called a GIS-based web portal GIS data maps are high-end quality maps, in megabytes for a good visualization and interpretation.

This goes for all the other areas of interest highlighted on the map.

The idea was good, but the implementation and set up was horrible.



This is so not right, and I'm once again disappointed.

& thats the point some of us are making...


its not worth the money said to have been spent...

its that simple...

mapet:

Fantastic, so you and I can rest it. It's not a "power game"........
Miss me

you came to me 'babe'...
so, run along now...

Throwback:


You remind me of a dude who I schooled with and served NYSC with.

While discussing our career plans as engineers and what potential jobs were available for fresh graduates like us, I told him assertively that I couldn't settle for a job pay less than N500k/month. He looked at me with such disgust, wondering why a fresh graduate should feel so entitled to such pay he found outrageous. He contended that N100k/month was good enough.

Less than a year after service, he got his own N100k/month job while I got myself a N1m/month type of job. I still wasn't contented and aspired for something better, while my pal is still today aspiring towards a pay windfall of N500k/month.

This same category of people wonder why I would spend N45K on a Lacoste polo shirt or N60k on a Tommy Hilfiger jeans. When you can buy same at Balogun market in Isale Eko for less than N5k each.

The above true story is the mentality in display when people wonder why one website is N2m and another is N500m or more. Lack of exposure!

Shvt up! Nigeria is not so rich to afford such website...a country that can't even boast of national database? There's no justification whatsoever for such a huge amount.

We are a very poor country with over 70% of the population living on the breadline. Stop justifying stupidity.

dawtune:
I was highly impressed with what the website was for. Actually the idea was very innovative. As someone who studied Geology, I immediately keyed into the conceived idea of having an Integrated Automation and Interactive GIS-based Web Portal, coupled with business analytics and statistical data integration, that would be awesome in today's ever growing data analytics. Truly these stuffs cost a lot. So i checked up twitter later on and saw the link to the portal to see things for myself(via NEITI Twitter Handle).

http://portal.minesandsteel.gov.ng

Lo and behold, I logged in with my phone and did the usual login and the rest. The first thing I noticed was that the GIS-based portal alone was not enabled on mobile. I thought within myself that a portal of such supposed cash-gulping funds should FULLY be Mobile and PC-enhanced. This website, designed to be beneficial to mining investors for payments of royalties, online queries, GIS-based etc should have all its components FULLY supported on Mobile and PC.

I didn't let that weigh me down, I opened my PC to access the Website. I was able to see the GIS portal link on the top right of the portal's home page. I was delighted to click on this link, it went through. The next page displayed Web-based GIS maps of the areas of interest (Admin Boundary, Geology, Topology etc). I clicked on to view...... The links were completely truncated.
What I saw was quite embarrassing, a page that would later lead to another page where I'd download a picture of 1 kilobyte (1kb) for what he called a GIS-based web portal GIS data maps are high-end quality maps, in megabytes for a good visualization and interpretation.

This goes for all the other areas of interest highlighted on the map.

The idea was good, but the implementation and set up was horrible.



This is so not right, and I'm once again disappointed.

Bros,

First this is not a contest of wits. Issues you put up here are things a user can report to the support. Conventionally new deployments will undergo some itches while trying to stabilise. As an "ex-professional" I have discovered some flaws, but as someone who has led large implementation projects, user-feedback will help stabilize it once it is in use full-stream.

When you earlier said you were going to do "forensics", I was expecting more than this.....but let's keep it simple. Did you get into the "collaboration room"?

mapet:


You see, this shows me virtually all of you are ignorant. You do not even know the right link and how the portal looks. You are quoting the link to the ministry's official website, which is not the web-portal for the integrated GIS solution. This quoted link is also for the ministry's information just like any ministry, department or association will have a website.

The correct link is http://gisportal.minesandsteel.gov.ng/gisportal/home/

Ideally if you have a basic knowledge you would have know that to access the correct link, you look for "portal" (or a correct link reference) among the menu options

well thats why i said according to a user here because am not sure, i didnt have time to check all that too but that website you gave me the link to is not even up to par at all. Sir, assuming i wanted to own a website, that looks like that up there, i swear down 100k is more than enough for me. If the website have some certain special functionalities that would have warranted that amount, i wouldnt know. But bro no matter what this website has in terms of functionality or ecstacy, it still does not worth half a million dollars. Anyway, let the govt continue dupping the people they think they are dupping its non of my business as long as i find a way to make my own money.
Just imagine the official website of a ministry that make tons of money as profit per month...chai, Nigeria is finished. Am yet to see a website as appealing as www.cnet.com in Nigeria. And even Cnet does not have everything perfect oo. If the govt decided to spend tons of money on a website and at least made it look like Cnet, i wouldnt even complain at all even when i know that the money budgeted for it is soo outrageous. But how can you use 700 million naira to build a website and it still looks like crap? Rubbish.

mapet:


and this is way much more complex than your "advance web and mobile application"

When you are behind your keyboard, one can confidently make ignorant comments, do you even know me, or what I do and people I've worked with? Did you even bother to ask what I might define as an advanced web application?

I'm yet to go through the website fully but I can see its not even mobile responsive. For a 700million naira website? Save yourself the shame even if you were part of the project but this is the internet, you can speak the truth anonymously

ivandragon:



keep quite & stop being an ignoramus...

have you visited the website to see if it justifies that amount?


have you forgotten that there was an uproar when this amount was said to have been budgeted for website in 2016? so why won't it boldly come out to say so when it had been padded ab initio... same way the $25b NNPC will be defended by the likes of you when they tell Nigerians that they have executed $25b in thin air...


you just keep jumping up & down to defend rubbish simply because it is your preferred thieves doing the looting...

wherever your bread is buttered. It's not like your ranting will recover the money.