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Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by AxxeMan: 5:45am On Dec 02, 2017
EdoNation:


So unless you say Oduduwa was not the son of Ogiso Owodo of Benin Empire , maybe Oduduwa was a bastard is that what you are implying ?

I like this!

But don't waste your time on the Yoruba, I gave him a good advice already , its left for him to take it before it gets too late
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by macof(m): 5:57am On Dec 02, 2017
EdoNation:


So unless you say Oduduwa was not the son of Ogiso Owodo of Benin Empire , maybe Oduduwa was a bastard is that what you are implying ?
no, i am not talking about his parentage or pedigree. Oduduwa came from Oke-ora , that's what I am saying. as to his parentage, that cannot be said not every historical character has his parentage on record. Other Yoruba men of the time like Obatala, Obamakin, Obameri, Obawinrin etc do not have their parentage on record but what is on record are their homes, achievements and postulated origins, for Oduduwa, he is always referenced to Oke-ora as Obatala is referenced to Ode-Igbo. Historians therefore take the strongest and earliest references to be the origin but if you say otherwise, then you need to provide a stronger argument with evidence

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Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by EdoNation(f): 6:23am On Dec 02, 2017
macof:
no, i am not talking about his parentage or pedigree. Oduduwa came from Oke-ora , that's what I am saying. as to his parentage, that cannot be said not every historical character has his parentage on record. Other Yoruba men of the time like Obatala, Obamakin, Obameri, Obawinrin etc do not have their parentage on record but what is on record are their homes, achievements and postulated origins, for Oduduwa, he is always referenced to Oke-ora as Obatala is referenced to Ode-Igbo. Historians therefore take the strongest and earliest references to be the origin but if you say otherwise, then you need to provide a stronger argument with evidence

Oduduwa came from Benin Empire it is that simple!
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by Olu317(m): 6:47am On Dec 02, 2017
AxxeMan:


Like I said!... Shut up this is my history not yours!!.... Now fucvk off!
Look at this uncultured young man who knows nothing about history. You kept disgracing yourself on here without any information but all you could send on here is hateful statement. Honestly, I don't blame you because you are a pathetic slave blood. My father ,Oranmiyan was the one that made your king, whose mother was given to him on a platter of God because he was dreaded before your so called oba of BINI have Yoruba blood. You think you have hot blood? Mine is 1000times yours but won't display it. It is only a child and coward that fume over discussable issues with facts but fact is alien to you all because you people are stand-up comedians that easily sell lies like a strike of thunder. So, you're not a brave man but a coward and a slave blood. Classical ignoble boy is who you are! Get a life for yourself because you have nothing tangible to add to what is being displayed on here. I can't laugh anymore because Oba BINI can't even deny oranmiyan as his patrilineal father that came with the word called O-BA. Yet you kept distorting as usual like your uninformed older people. It runs in your blood. Ingrate set of people.

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Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by Olu317(m): 6:57am On Dec 02, 2017
AxxeMan:


Like I said!... Shut up this is my history not yours!!.... Now fucvk off!
Slave blood you have no history without Oba BINI and he can't deny oranmiyan..... Slave blood deal with the truth.
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by macof(m): 10:52am On Dec 02, 2017
EdoNation:


Oduduwa came from Benin Empire it is that simple!
sorry, it's not that simple. kiss
Your claim lacks consistency and verification..here are some

1. "Izoduwa" has a totally different meaning from "oduduwa"
2. In Bini traditions the man is called Oduduwa like in Yoruba, so the issue of "Oduduwa" being a corruption of "Izoduwa" is out the window. There's even a Bini festival called oduduwa festival not Izoduwa festival or Ekaledehan festival, and no reference to Ekaledehan is made during this festival. There's no tradition in bini of the Ooni of ife being called Izoduwa or Ekaledehan.
3. No songs, no festivals, not even a part of the Oba's oriki or coronation rites connect him to Ekaledehan. But the Oba is called Ovbie Adimula, Ovbie Oodua n'uhe...references to Oduduwa as we know him not as Ekaledehan.
4. The Ekiopagha treaty between Ogiamien and the 5th Oba of bini portrays the Oba as a foreigner and not a person whose ancestors own the land

This is not an issue of ethnic pride and prejudice but common sense, you don't have to be a historian or African studies specialist to detect lack of consistency from the Ekaledehan- Oduduwa claim, this is why no historian of reputation has picked it up

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Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by EdoNation(f): 11:09am On Dec 02, 2017
macof:
sorry, it's not that simple. kiss
Your claim lacks consistency and verification..here are some

1. "Izoduwa" has a totally different meaning from "oduduwa"
2. In Bini traditions the man is called Oduduwa like in Yoruba, so the issue of "Oduduwa" being a corruption of "Izoduwa" is out the window. There's even a Bini festival called oduduwa festival not Izoduwa festival or Ekaledehan festival, and no reference to Ekaledehan is made during this festival. There's no tradition in bini of the Ooni of ife being called Izoduwa or Ekaledehan.
3. No songs, no festivals, not even a part of the Oba's oriki or coronation rites connect him to Ekaledehan. But the Oba is called Ovbie Adimula, Ovbie Oodua n'uhe...references to Oduduwa as we know him not as Ekaledehan.
4. The Ekiopagha treaty between Ogiamien and the 5th Oba of bini portrays the Oba as a foreigner and not a person whose ancestors own the land

This is not an issue of ethnic pride and prejudice but common sense, you don't have to be a historian or African studies specialist to detect lack of consistency from the Ekaledehan- Oduduwa claim, this is why no historian of reputation has picked it up

Once again keep your version to yourself, that is why it is called Yoruba version for Yoruba ppl


Oduduwa came from Benin Empire it is that simple!

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Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by AxxeMan: 11:11am On Dec 02, 2017
EdoNation:


Once again keep your version to yourself, that is why it is called Yoruba version for Yoruba ppl


Oduduwa came from Benin Empire it is that simple!

I told you not to waste time on any Yoruba human
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by macof(m): 11:39am On Dec 02, 2017
EdoNation:


Once again keep your version to yourself, that is why it is called Yoruba version for Yoruba ppl


Oduduwa came from Benin Empire it is that simple!
grin Very funny, no single bini person can defend their claim with evidence.
This is not a matter of versions if Edo do not even have traditions to back the story up. It is appearing more an more as a fictitious recent fabrication that has no basis in Edo tradition

Moreso if I am to take it personal, you talk about my ancestor and say I should not question what you say about him? If you want to say my ancestor came from your land you provide a superior argument...its never as simple as "oduduwa came from bini" then you end there

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Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by tammie24: 10:35am On Dec 03, 2017
plentykola:


Bros the white house u used in that Ur pix belong to a Yoruba man otunba Balogun is at Ikoyi so guy try and find another pix
grin grin grin grin cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy
Guy you badt ooo

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Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by Konquest: 12:19pm On Dec 03, 2017
EdoNation:


Once again keep your version to yourself, that is why it is called Yoruba version for Yoruba ppl


Oduduwa came from Benin Empire it is that simple!
^^^^^^
^^^^^^
@EdoNation

There was NO Bini Empire at the time
Oduduwa was alive. grin



When Oranmiyan came to Bini and had a child
Eweka by a Bini woman, there was also NO
Bini Empire. Only a Kingdom started by the
Oranmiyan/Eweka Dynasty with Ife origins existed after the
Ogiso rule ended. There are oral traditions
in Bini and Ife affirming the movement of
Oranmiyan with his followers/aides from Ife to Idanre to Bini where
he briefly assumed the first Obaship. He later
left to assume the Rulership of Oyo Kingdom
which metamorphosed to the Oyo Empire
with the conquest of other lands!


This is why the powerful Oyo Empire and the equally powerful Bini Empire
NEVER militarily attacked one another over
the centuries because the Dynasties ruling
the two FORMER empires of Oyo and Bini are family members
or cousins. DNA tests are available abroad that can
help to prove this especially from the
Paternal lineages!


Hope this helps!

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Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by Konquest: 12:24pm On Dec 03, 2017
laudate:

Have you ever seen any Bini man, especially from the royal family, ever laying claim to Lagos? They do not engage in such petty controversies. Only attention seekers from Lagos island do that.

And for the record, only parts of Lagos island (or Isale Eko) had anything to do with the Bini. Areas like Ikeja, Surulere, Ilupeju, Gbagada, Maryland, Agege, Ipaja, Badagry, Lekki, Ibeju, Epe, Magodo, Amuwo-Odofin, Orile, Ijanikin, Ogudu, Yaba, Ikorodu etc., had absolutely nothing to do with the Bini.
^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^

grin...Brilliant... Nicely worded @ Laudate!


1. Epe, Ikorodu, and Ibeju-Lekki are parts of Ijebuland
which EXTENDS into Lagos State from Ogun
State.


2. The Awori-Yorubas who migrated from Ife own the remaining parts of
Lagos State [17 of the 20 original Local Government Areas of Lagos State]. Aworiland
extends into Ogun State and the Yoruba-speaking parts of Benin Republic.

3. While Badagry LGA of Lagos State is inhabited/owned by
Aworis and Ogus [Egun]. Eguns are of mixed
blood, i.e., Yoruba/Fon ancestry.

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Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by laudate: 8:25pm On Dec 03, 2017
Konquest:
^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^

grin...Brilliant... Nicely worded @ Laudate!

1. Epe, Ikorodu, and Ibeju-Lekki are parts of Ijebuland
which EXTENDS into Lagos State.

2. The Awori-Yorubas who migrated from Ife own the remaining parts of
Lagos State [17 of the 20 original Local Government Areas of Lagos State]. Aworiland
extends into Ogun State and the Yoruba-speaking parts of Benin Republic.

3. While Badagry LGA of Lagos State is inhabited/owned by
Aworis and Ogus [Egun]. Eguns are of mixed
Yoruba/Fon ancestry.

wink

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Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by laudate: 8:53pm On Dec 03, 2017
AxxeMan:
Every one ignore this Impostor he is not Edo!

YOU ARE NOT EDO!

What is wrong with this tout? Where did I ever say that I was Edo? And where did I say I was not?

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Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by Vivere: 5:00am On Dec 04, 2017
AxxeMan:
Better!! Cuz I for end you for this thread!
Who is this boastful thing? ??!

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Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by gregyboy(m): 9:05pm On Dec 04, 2017
macof:

Smh. I stopped reading where you said Yorubas didn't wear clothes until the Europeans. I know everything after that just like everything you have posted before that will be bullshit and I'm tired of seeing Africans so stupid, talking in fields they know nothing about

I thought you were a human being worth a decent conversation on History. If you don't even know the Yorubas have had a booming clothing industry how can you understand basic principle of African historical research?




prove it to me your ancestors wore clothes b4 d advent of the white man i can prove to you when my ancestors was started wearing clothes

so prove it to me
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by Olu317(m): 7:19pm On Dec 05, 2017
historyworld030:
We certainly don't know anything about your "bini" or your "oba bini".
However we are Edo and our Kingdom is Benin Kingdom, it's capital is Benin City and our king is Omo n'Oba n'Edo often refered to as Oba of Benin.
No relations to your "oba bini" or to your alfonso the invisible and magical book writer.
Look at your ignorance? So, you did not know that Europeans came to BINI, precisely Portuguese to buy pepper and craft from Oba BINI?I quit dealing with your type.It is obvious, you are not even knowledgeable on the subject matter.

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Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by Olu317(m): 7:54pm On Dec 05, 2017
EdoNation:


Oduduwa came from Benin Empire it is that simple!
Are you sure Odu'a came from Igodomigodo? If you are sure, educate us why Odu'a use white cockerel /pigeon/dove as sacrifice? And what was the other animals associated with Odu'a that are patrilineal of his ancestors? And why do they use such animals? I will give you an option of picking one out of the animals. Kindly elaborate. Then mention any part in Edo that use such animals as sacrifices as likened to your answer, which made you certain about Admullia







If you don't have answer, then stop these personal opinion about my ANCESTOR

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Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by KingSango(m): 2:12am On Dec 09, 2017
Benin kingdom maternal descends from Oduduwas daughter, she was their first queen mother.

Ase

Love Sango
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by Olu317(m): 6:29am On Dec 09, 2017
KingSango:


Benin kingdom maternal descends from Oduduwas daughter, she was their first queen mother.

Ase

Love Sango
Eeeh,where did you get your own account of BINI and Odu'a?
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by KingSango(m): 11:58am On Dec 09, 2017
Olu317:
Eeeh,where did you get your own account of BINI and Odu'a?

Its well known history the first child of Oduduwa was a girl. The princess married off to a Bini king so the Benin people are part Yorubas. Royal marriages were arranged in ancient times between kingdoms to bring peace. Although I don't know what will bring peace between Yorubas and Igbos that live in Lagos. grin But Lagos is Yorubaland they are there in the hundreds of thousands and have land all over the place that they own by family. No land owner should be poor.

Biafra has blinded some Igbos. Western empires are behind financing Biafra, because they want to break Nigerian alliances with each other. As soon as a Biafra materializes then you will see the Westerners form alliance with Igbos. But after the Western empires become militarily strong in the region with Afro-com military bases they will turn on their Igbo allies too! When will we ever learn from history? All must build up Lagos but do not take away a poor man's land because thats all some families have is their land. All must build Igbo land eventually for a stronger region.


Ase

Love Sango

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Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by Olu317(m): 12:10pm On Dec 09, 2017
KingSango:


Its well known history the first child of Oduduwa was a girl. The princess married off to a Bini king so the Benin people are part Yorubas. Royal marriages were arranged in ancient times between kingdoms to bring peace. Although I don't know what will bring peace between Yorubas and Igbos that live in Lagos. grin But Lagos is Yorubaland they are there in the hundreds of thousands and have land all over the place that they own by family. No land owner should be poor.

Biafra has blinded some Igbos. Western empires are behind financing Biafra, because they want to break Nigerian alliances with each other. As soon as a Biafra materializes then you will see the Westerners form alliance with Igbos. But after the Western empires become militarily strong in the region with Afro-com military bases they will turn on their Igbo allies too! When will we ever learn from history? All must build up Lagos but do not take away a poor man's land because thats all some families have is their land. All must build Igbo land eventually for a stronger region.


Ase

Love Sango

Kikikiki ooo my God. It is very bad reading a classic distortion like this. There was no BINI when Odu'a daughter was given to a man, who was known as Obatala . Stop this non verified information

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Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by KingSango(m): 12:20pm On Dec 09, 2017
Olu317:
Kikikiki ooo my God. It is very bad reading a classic distortion like this. There was no BINI when Odu'a daughter was given to a man, who was known as Obatala . Stop this non verified information

The kingdom went on to be called Benin kingdom. Geez. grin
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by Nobody: 10:23pm On Dec 28, 2017
Mynd44, rule 2
nengibo:

Dats an Afonja man for you, double faced like a cassete

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Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by Nobody: 10:23pm On Dec 28, 2017
Mynd44 rule 2
nengibo:

I swear igbo ppl get afonjas their medicine

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