P0intBlank:


The only difference?

Do you know assumption is the lowest form of knowledge

It's just like someone telling about his wonderful dad you have never met but you assume you know his dad more than him

There's absolutely nothing wrong with my statement. I would say it again and again: my life is better because our (Pastor Chris & I) paths crossed

Someone could say the same of you if you would take out the time to invest in lives of others

Like I told you before do not allow sentiments beguile your sense of judgement

I rest my case

Pointblank, i salute your belief and Hope as well as your respectable approach to issues. Yes, i agree with you i dont know Oyakhilome personally but i know of his antecedents, i listened to him on TV and saw lots of fake miracles, i also have friends that attend his seminars etc in Houston TX, where you ofcourse do not have healing. Mind you he is being discussed here its not about him personally, its about most of them and their lies. I am muslim, Pastor Bakare and Rev. Fr Mbaka's preachings are more appealing and more sincere to me. FYI, i attended a friend's fathers burial the other day in Church and i was called upon to give a 3mins talk. I told everyone there that i travelled 10 hrs to attend and that, the man in his faith as a Christian is an excellent example for me in the way he conducted his family life, with honesty, sincerity, deep spirituality, HONEST, and i equally said i cannot say the same about so many muslims that i know. My broda, that is the truth. How many Nigerian spiritual leader pastors/imams are genuinely interested in ensuring that guy on the street they dont know is protected, helped, assisted for the sake of God and our common humanity? Seriously, if you travel my broda, you will know these people are rogues for the most part even with your testimony, you are not living to your full potential. Maybe you supposed to be an entrepreneur creating jobs or a Michael Jordan... but all these corrption held you back and you are giving testimony for the little you have.

Organs:



Pointblank, i salute your belief and Hope as well as your respectable approach to issues. Yes, i agree with you i dont know Oyakhilome personally but i know of his antecedents, i listened to him on TV and saw lots of fake miracles, i also have friends that attend his seminars etc in Houston TX, where you ofcourse do not have healing. Mind you he is being discussed here its not about him personally, its about most of them and their lies. I am muslim, Pastor Bakare and Rev. Fr Mbaka's preachings are more appealing and more sincere to me. FYI, i attended a friend's fathers burial the other day in Church and i was called upon to give a 3mins talk. I told everyone there that i travelled 10 hrs to attend and that, the man in his faith as a Christian is an excellent example for me in the way he conducted his family life, with honesty, sincerity, deep spirituality, HONEST, and i equally said i cannot say the same about so many muslims that i know. My broda, that is the truth. How many Nigerian spiritual leader pastors/imams are genuinely interested in ensuring that guy on the street they dont know is protected, helped, assisted for the sake of God and our common humanity? Seriously, if you travel my broda, you will know these people are rogues for the most part even with your testimony, you are not living to your full potential. Maybe you supposed to be an entrepreneur creating jobs or a Michael Jordan... but all these corrption held you back and you are giving testimony for the little you have.

The earlier illustration I gave of fake and original tells you I'm fully aware they are fake pastors. It's not in my place to judge who's fake or not. So I spoke of the one I know. You might not like him but it doesn't make him fake.

I have met several people who have been under his ministration for 10 years or more and they almost always say the same thing.

They say something along these lines: "I was a young man/woman not sure of what the future had in store for me, visionless and doubtful. I was just trying survive but I came in contact with the ministry of the Man of God and he fed me the Word, believed in me and told me I could be anything I wanted to be. It changed my mindset and ultimately changed my life"

Very obvious examples are Frank Edward, Joe Praise, Sinach, Buchi, Eben, Samsong, Ada, Martin PK (I know you're muslim you might not know them but these are household names in the Gospel Music industy who have been blessings to many lives). Success is not by accident. Bad trees don't produce good fruits.

The first two were hawking - Frank Edwards in Enugu, Joe Praise in Benin. If a man (or in these case men) tells you someone was integral to their success story why do you want to doubt it? I certainly won't doubt it because he has also impacted my life. If you remember the private jet story, it was said these guys and others in Music and Art ministry of the church bought him the jet to mark 30 years of impact.



About healing issue:

Let me say I came contact with the teaching of this MOG sixteen years ago. These teachings have told me my rights in Christ. An offshoot of these teachings is that in those sixteen years I have never been to a hospital (except for medicals). When sickness came I rebuked it in the name of Jesus and it went. I went 9 straight years without taking as much as panadol. When I finally took it was just de-worming medicine (I took for a funny reason. I'm slim and I'd been wanting to add weight so I heard someone advertising deworming medicine in the bus so I thought to myself could this be the reason).

Now, no faith healer claims to have 100% record cause healing doesn't entirely depend on the faith healer. The faith of the seeker is often required. Sometimes God in his sovereignty and mercy would overlook whatever shortcomings and heal all the same. Note this: Ten people seeking healing, three return unhealed does not automatically negate the fact that the other seven were healed.

Furthermore there's the issue of God's timing. Sometimes the person's time for a miracle has not yet come. They have instances of people who came multiple times and were not healed. They did not despair. They kept coming till they got their miracle.

Finally, I know a friend who used to criticise Pastor Chris and other MOGs but got a healing while watching atmosphere of miracles with Pastor Chris on TV. At that time he used to smoke weed. He went out with some friends and he smoked a different type of weed. From that day henceforth he had intermittent severe migraine . When the migraines came it would be so unbearable that it drove him crazy. One day he stumbled on the aforesaid program in desparate need of a miracle he didn't mind (what did he stand to lose?). Stretched his hands towards the TV during prayer time and God touched him. After this miracle he started attending Christ Embassy.

I don't even no why I have taken the pain to write these because nothing I write may ever convince you if you're not open-minded. Well, It's entirely up to you to believe or not to

P0intBlank:



The earlier illustration I gave of fake and original tells you I'm fully aware they are fake pastors. It's not in my place to judge who's fake or not. So I spoke of the one I know. You might not like him but it doesn't make him fake.

I have met several people who have been under his ministration for 10 years or more and they almost always say the same thing.

They say something along these lines: "I was a young man/woman not sure of what the future had in store for me, visionless and doubtful. I was just trying survive but I came in contact with the ministry of the Man of God and he fed me the Word, believed in me and told me I could be anything I wanted to be. It changed my mindset and ultimately changed my life"

Very obvious examples are Frank Edward, Joe Praise, Sinach, Buchi, Eben, Samsong, Ada, Martin PK (I know you're muslim you might not know them but these are household names in the Gospel Music industy who have been blessings to many lives). Success is not by accident. Bad trees don't produce good fruits.

The first two were hawking - Frank Edwards in Enugu, Joe Praise in Benin. If a man (or in these case men) tells you someone was integral to their success story why do you want to doubt it? I certainly won't doubt it because he has also impacted my life. If you remember the private jet story, it was said these guys and others in Music and Art ministry of the church bought him the jet to mark 30 years of impact.



About healing issue:

Let me say I came contact with the teaching of this MOG sixteen years ago. These teachings have told me my rights in Christ. An offshoot of these teachings is that in those sixteen years I have never been to a hospital (except for medicals). When sickness came I rebuked it in the name of Jesus and it went. I went 9 straight years without taking as much as panadol. When I finally took it was just de-worming medicine (I took for a funny reason. I'm slim and I'd been wanting to add weight so I heard someone advertising deworming medicine in the bus so I thought to myself could this be the reason).

Now, no faith healer claims to have 100% record cause healing doesn't entirely depend on the faith healer. The faith of the seeker is often required. Sometimes God in his sovereignty and mercy would overlook whatever shortcomings and heal all the same. Note this: Ten people seeking healing, three return unhealed does not automatically negate the fact that the other seven were healed.

Furthermore there's the issue of God's timing. Sometimes the person's time for a miracle has not yet come. They have instances of people who came multiple times and were not healed. They did not despair. They kept coming till they got their miracle.

Finally, I know a friend who used to criticise Pastor Chris and other MOGs but got a healing while watching atmosphere of miracles with Pastor Chris on TV. At that time he used to smoke weed. He went out with some friends and he smoked a different type of weed. From that day henceforth he had intermittent severe migraine . When the migraines came it would be so unbearable that it drove him crazy. One day he stumbled on the aforesaid program in desparate need of a miracle he didn't mind (what did he stand to lose?). Stretched his hands towards the TV during prayer time and God touched him. After this miracle he started attending Christ Embassy.

I don't even no why I have taken the pain to write these because nothing I write may ever convince you if you're not open-minded. Well, It's entirely up to you to believe or not to

Excellent write up. I am indeed impressed. There is this Loius Farakhan movement all over the USA called nation of Islam. Michael Jackson was almost converting to becoming (a lot of people will tell you muslim) but its actually nation of islam, before he died. African Americans were brought into America from west africa as slaves. You ofcourse know the history of american independence and civil right crusade etc. Now in the black community, there is still a lot of backwardness and hopelessness due to mainly drug use, crime rate and dependence on the system for food stamps, vouchers etc. Loius Farakhans nation of islam movement did a lot of social services in african american communities and he rid the communities of drugs, laziness, hopelessness etc. It has yielded excellent positive results and a lot of people hundreds, maybe millions are doing excellently well. There message and beliefs are totally different, they have a story of a Black God or black messiah etc and it is meant to give the black man honour and belonging and that its not true that all prophets were all white caucasians and that Jesus was white, Moses, Abraham etc... nope they dont believe that. Now, this is a huge American movement and they are very successful. Infact read about them.
About the healing, its all based on our beliefs, for me as a muslim, i know clearly that the prayer of a mother to its own child or you yourself fasting and praying to God is more efficient and will be answered by God more than any pastor, imam or any MOG. In my faith God said the best amongst you is he who has more God Consciousness and only God knows that.

PointBlank you know what is funny, in Christianity, there is MOG and christians believe he is MOG and they believe in his prayers, healings, preachings etc and he is very important and making $$, so much so that now Muslims are coping the Christians. Now you have lots of malams all over the place that are now Prayer warriors and people go to them for healing and prayers. I respect your write up and your belief but at the same time, I will share two messages of islam with you. 1. Pointblank, the prophet taught us that Paradise (heaven) lies at the feet of your mother, God also said be conscious of God and YOUR PARENTS, as well as saying DO NOT BREAK the ties of Kinship, this means focus on your mother, your parents and show mercy first to your family and then to your neighbors, friends and entire mankind, this is universal message of peace and universal brotherhood, not pastor, imam or all about healing, riches, money etc. 2. God said, (in the Quran) when my servants ask, concerning me, God, I am closer to them than their jugular, so my broda i beg you, yes, get preachings and guidance from those that know the book more than you, but understand that you yourself has direct access to your creator, nobody, no pastor, no one, you yourself and your creator and you can ask him your God DIRECTLY and God willing he will answer your prayers. Thank you and may God almighty guide us all, ameen.

Organs:




Excellent write up. I am indeed impressed. There is this Loius Farakhan movement all over the USA called nation of Islam. Michael Jackson was almost converting to becoming (a lot of people will tell you muslim) but its actually nation of islam, before he died. African Americans were brought into America from west africa as slaves. You ofcourse know the history of american independence and civil right crusade etc. Now in the black community, there is still a lot of backwardness and hopelessness due to mainly drug use, crime rate and dependence on the system for food stamps, vouchers etc. Loius Farakhans nation of islam movement did a lot of social services in african american communities and he rid the communities of drugs, laziness, hopelessness etc. It has yielded excellent positive results and a lot of people hundreds, maybe millions are doing excellently well. There message and beliefs are totally different, they have a story of a Black God or black messiah etc and it is meant to give the black man honour and belonging and that its not true that all prophets were all white caucasians and that Jesus was white, Moses, Abraham etc... nope they dont believe that. Now, this is a huge American movement and they are very successful. Infact read about them.
About the healing, its all based on our beliefs, for me as a muslim, i know clearly that the prayer of a mother to its own child or you yourself fasting and praying to God is more efficient and will be answered by God more than any pastor, imam or any MOG. In my faith God said the best amongst you is he who has more God Consciousness and only God knows that.

PointBlank you know what is funny, in Christianity, there is MOG and christians believe he is MOG and they believe in his prayers, healings, preachings etc and he is very important and making $$, so much so that now Muslims are coping the Christians. Now you have lots of malams all over the place that are now Prayer warriors and people go to them for healing and prayers. I respect your write up and your belief but at the same time, I will share two messages of islam with you. 1. Pointblank, the prophet taught us that Paradise (heaven) lies at the feet of your mother, God also said be conscious of God and YOUR PARENTS, as well as saying DO NOT BREAK the ties of Kinship, this means focus on your mother, your parents and show mercy first to your family and then to your neighbors, friends and entire mankind, this is universal message of peace and universal brotherhood, not pastor, imam or all about healing, riches, money etc. 2. God said, (in the Quran) when my servants ask, concerning me, God, I am closer to them than their jugular, so my broda i beg you, yes, get preachings and guidance from those that know the book more than you, but understand that you yourself has direct access to your creator, nobody, no pastor, no one, you yourself and your creator and you can ask him your God DIRECTLY and God willing he will answer your prayers. Thank you and may God almighty guide us all, ameen.

I'll look up Loius Farakhan movement.

It's been nice chatting with you. Take care

Organs:



Pointblank, i salute your belief and Hope as well as your respectable approach to issues. Yes, i agree with you i dont know Oyakhilome personally but i know of his antecedents, i listened to him on TV and saw lots of fake miracles, i also have friends that attend his seminars etc in Houston TX, where you ofcourse do not have healing. Mind you he is being discussed here its not about him personally, its about most of them and their lies. I am muslim, Pastor Bakare and Rev. Fr Mbaka's preachings are more appealing and more sincere to me. FYI, i attended a friend's fathers burial the other day in Church and i was called upon to give a 3mins talk. I told everyone there that i travelled 10 hrs to attend and that, the man in his faith as a Christian is an excellent example for me in the way he conducted his family life, with honesty, sincerity, deep spirituality, HONEST, and i equally said i cannot say the same about so many muslims that i know. My broda, that is the truth. How many Nigerian spiritual leader pastors/imams are genuinely interested in ensuring that guy on the street they dont know is protected, helped, assisted for the sake of God and our common humanity? Seriously, if you travel my broda, you will know these people are rogues for the most part even with your testimony, you are not living to your full potential. Maybe you supposed to be an entrepreneur creating jobs or a Michael Jordan... but all these corrption held you back and you are giving testimony for the little you have.

Don't you think you should mind your own business if you are indeed a Muslim? Do you c Christians talk about what happens during jumat services

darfay:


Don't you think you should mind your own business if you are indeed a Muslim? Do you c Christians talk about what happens during jumat services

Mumu spotted. Keep minding your business naaa while the country is upside down. If a christian sees something wrong in jumat service pls say it out loud let it get addressed and corrected. If you hear someone planning an attack in jumat service will you keep quiet in the name of minding your business? Suleiman is preaching hate and bigotry and you guys kept quiet, when the wahala starts now you will be running helter skelter. If you see any wrong say it out. Lets make our world safer, go read my post again and stop your bigotry.

donnie:


He can give it where ever he wants. After all, he didn't need your advice to do all the giving he has been doing all these years.

E.g..
1.Giving 1billion.naira to Benson Idahosa University.

2. Building state of the art lecture theater at his alma mater AAU and provision of street lights and reading lamps for all hostel students.

3. Yearly promoting leadership among African youth through the Future Africa Laders Awards (FALA) which comes with a minimum of $10,000 per awardee (which number up to 16 yearly) plus support and mentorship.

And many more too numerous to mention. So please rebuke that spirit of freeze from your life... It is a spirit of poverty and destruction.

If you truly believed all of this, why did you leave your place at the feet of these gods of men?

sonnie10:

God is everywhere, even inside Pastor's vault at home.

So, putting the money into his own vault means the money has been handed to God... genius... LOL

Kobojunkie:
If you truly believed all of this, why did you leave your place at the feet of these gods of men?

These sick CE fellows digging up stuff to console themselves in their abominations? They can even go as far as 2006.
One of them liked 6 of my old Pastor Chris posts at once just few days ago.

As the Spirit moves, I move.

donnie:


You these sick CE fellows digging up stuff to console themselves in their abominations? They can even go as far as 2006.
One of them like 6 of my posts at once few days ago.

As the Spirit moves, I move.

Oh, it's God's fault.

Kobojunkie:
Oh, it's God's fault.

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Yes, He revealed truth to me and I left CE.

donnie:
.Yes, He revealed truth to me and I left CE.

Before then, He wa revealing lies to you or God changed his mind when decided to begin telling you truth?

Kobojunkie:
Before then, He wa revealing lies to you or God changed his mind when decided to begin telling you truth?

He reveals Himself in the light available to you. If there's no light, all you see will be darkness, there's no way you can see anything. It is the Spirit of Truth that brings light and guides into all truth.

That's unlike many of you on NL or even in CE, who see the light and reject it or call it darkness or vise versa.

donnie:

He reveals Himself in the light available to you. If there's no light, all you see will be darkness, there's no way you can see anything. It is the Spirit of Truth that guides into all truth.

That's unlike many of you on NL or even in CE, who see the light and reject it or call it darkness or vise versa.

You also claimed to see light back then too, did you not? How do you know that the light you see now is Truth and not yet another lie?

You remind me of the one who used to see the light in Islam but now sees the light as a JW.

Kobojunkie:
You also claimed to see light back then too, did you not? How do you know that the light you see now is Truth and not yet another lie?

You remind me of the one who used to see the light in Islam but now sees the light as a JW.

The Most High can bring light to you anywhere you are. He can bring little light at first and then it shines brighter and brighter as you keep following sincerely. It's by election, by grace and He sees the heart.

donnie:

The Most High can bring light to you anywhere you are. He can bring little light at first and then it shines brighter and brighter as you keep following sincerely. It's by election, by grace and He sees the heart.

By election? Where does Jesus Christ, the one who is the light of God, tell you this?

Kobojunkie:
By election? Where does Jesus Christ, the one who is the light of God, tell you this?

Forget that your SCAM white Jesus Christ.
Romans 11:5
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

donnie:

Forget that your SCAM white Jesus Christ.
Romans 11:5
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

So you cling to Paul but not Jesus Christ?

Did Jesus Christ ever teach you about a "Remnant" that you should believe in an "election" of such?
Also, if what you have is truth, why do you still not know that grace simply refers to eternal life?

Kobojunkie:
So you cling to Paul but not Jesus Christ?

Did Jesus Christ ever teach you about a "Remnant" that you should believe in an "election" of such?
Also, if what you have is truth, why do you still not know that grace simply refers to eternal life?

That your useless white Jesus created by Rome is SCAM that must be abolished. All of those servants of YAH were Bantus/negores. When that hasn't settled in your head or heart, you will preach a false gospel and lead many to their destruction.
Grace doesn't simply mean eternal life...those are two different terms... One leads to the other.
Romans 5:21
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

And If I may add, because I find that you are one of them teachers of the loose grace gospel...

Titus 2:11-12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

donnie:

That your useless white Jesus created by Rome is SCAM that must be abolished. All of those servants of YAH were Bantus/negores. When that hasn't settled in your head or heart, you will preach a false gospel and lead many to their destruction.
Grace doesn't simply mean eternal life...those are two different terms... One leads to the other.
Romans 5:21
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

And If I may add, because I find that you are one of them teachers of the loose grace gospel...

Titus 2:11-12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

There you go again clinging to what Paul, a roman teaches, yet accusing Jesus Christ of being a roman creation.

So, from application of basic language comprehension skills, you still do not see that even the verse you quoted there in Romans 5 tells you the grace of God is the eternal life we have in Jesus Christ, something only available to the righteous before Jesus Christ showed up?

Kobojunkie:
There you go again clinging to what Paul, a roman teaches, yet accusing Jesus Christ of being a roman creation.

So, from application of basic language comprehension skills, you still do not see that even the verse you quoted there in Romans 5 tells you the grace of God is the eternal life we have in Jesus Christ, something only available to the righteous before Jesus Christ showed up?

The truth is clear enough, you can only deceive yourself.

donnie:

The truth is clear enough, you can only deceive yourself.

Obviously not so!