fpeter:


Hehehehehe, you're funny. The Word heals so how can you fall sick when reading it? Try getting the digital Bible. You'll play it whenever you want. You can download it on your computer.

thanks alot

hopefulLandlord:
So-called "Signs of the End time" in the book of Mark 13 which OP and many Christians are always talking about are either too vague or redundant or signs right now actually point to the opposite. Let's examine them, shall we?

1. Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many.

The problem with the above "sign" is that there's absolutely NO Messiah that's claimed to be "he" and gathered massive following at least not recently

2. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.

Not only is the above "sign" totally redundant since there's always been "nation/kingdom against nation/kingdom" even in the time of Jesus but also objective signs point to the fact that the world is actually getting MORE PEACEFUL and historians say this period is the most peaceful humanity has ever been

3. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines.

This is also redundant cuz earthquakes has been happening since time immemorial before and after Jesus, also this civilisation and enlightenment combined with humanitarian aids has ensured the devastation wrought by earthquakes are now more manageable than ever; also, Jesus also seemed not to be aware of Earthquakes happening on other planets; Famine? that's also redundant cuz The most terrible famines in history are past famines with the most recent being the North Korea famine which happened in 1994

4. Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death.

This is also redundant as it has always been happening even before Jesus reportedly said they're signs of endtime


as we can see, these verses are redundant or vague

CC Interesting15, Endtimegist

if I say I understand anything in this your write up I be lying... so what exactly is your point I mean in one word...?

Interesting15:
Many Christians are yet to have an appropriate knowledge about the Rapture and The Second Coming of Jesus Christ, and there are some Christians who are even thinking they are the same.

First of all, we need to know that The Rapture and The Second Coming are two different events that will happen at different times.

The Rapture (from the Latin verb 'rapere', which means 'to transport from one place to another') is the catching up of all believers for a glorious meeting with Christ in the air.

"Behold I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed - in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality." (1 Corinthians 15:51-53).

Also see 1 Thessalonians chapter 4: 15-17

So, The Rapture comes first, and is an event whereby the Lord Jesus comes for His Saints (dead and living), and we shall meet Him in the air.

The Saints are those who have accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of their lives and are living in holiness. The Saints are those that are living a CONSISTENT holy and godly lifestyle, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. They are the ones who will be transformed to meet Jesus in the air, while unbelievers and lukewarm Christians will be left behind.

Now, after the rapture, the Saints will proceed into the sky to participate in the marriage feast of the Lamb, where rewards would be given to everyone present according to his/her deeds on earth.

What Happens To Those Left Behind?

Immediately after the rapture, the Great Tribulation will begin, and the Antichrist will be given power to torment those left behind. The Antichrist will force people to receive the mark of the beast (666) either on their forehead or arm.

Those that won't receive it would be vehemently tormented: They won't be able to buy and sell, they will suffer violent persecutions with no one to help. And according to the graphic illustration given by the Lord Jesus about the Great Tribulation (Matthew 24:15-28), many won't be able to withstand the torments for long (that is, they can't help but to receive the mark of the beast)

BUT: THOSE THAT WILL RECEIVE THE MARK OF THE BEAST WILL BE ETERNALLY DAMNED IN THE LAKE OF FIRE AT THE APPOINTED TIME.

Don't forget that while the tribulation is taking place on earth, the Saints that have been raptured are with Jesus Christ in the sky enjoying the marriage supper as well as their rewards.

THEN: At the end of the marriage supper in the sky and the Tribulation on earth, THE SECOND COMING will take place.

The Second Coming is the public revelation of Jesus Christ, when He comes WITH HIS SAINTS (those who have been previously raptured and have participated in the marriage supper in the sky) to set up the Millennium (see 1 Thessalonians 3:13 and Matthew 24: 29-31)

Here, those who have suffered just because they won't take the mark of the beast during the Great Tribulation, will now have a new hope.

My Advice:

Jesus said the day and hour of these events are not known, but will happen anytime, and it will come like a thief in the night. He gave us some signs we should watch out for, and if you look at the scriptures, you will see the signs keeps coming to pass (Please see Mark 13:

That means, if Jesus Christ can predict those things and TRUELY, they keeps coming to pass, then His promise of the rapture and second coming will also come to pass!

So, if you are yet to receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior, please do so now, as tommorow might be too late.

And for we that are already Christians, let us allow the belief that Jesus will return one day, to guide us within godly conducts.

How sure are you that you can withstand the torment of the Antichrist during the great tribulation? The best thing for you is to live a lifestyle of holiness that will make you rapturable with Jesus Christ, and go on with Him to enjoy the marriage supper.

The Lord asked me to tell you this:

"I stand at the door, I cometh, I cometh" Thus saith the Lord Of Host!

There is no other way for us present in this world to go with Jesus Christ than to go with him on the day of his coming.

Ralo:




Actually it’s not a Jewish bullshit, you can hardly see a Jewish Christian(only 2% of Israeli jews practices Christianity) you have more chances of meeting a Jewish muslim. All these bibles tales by the moonlight was composed and compiled by the Romans and the Catholic Church, not the Jewish people.

I concur bro!

adahkennedy:

This is not Islamic studies
First of all you don't even know Jesus Christ
If you do
You will believe in him as the word of God and accept him as saviour
You have yielded to seducing spirits so consider your ways because the time will come when no man can work

No one is a Muslim until he believes in Jesus (pbuh).

If the only way to heaven is through Jesus (pbuh) then Muslims will certainly make heaven because we believe in Jesus (pbuh) and what he brought of Gospel.

If the only way to heaven is through Moses (pbuh) then Muslims will certainly make heaven because we believe in Moses (pbuh) and what he brought of Torah.

If the only way to heaven is through Abraham (pbuh) then Muslims will certainly make heaven because we believe in Abraham (pbuh) and what he brought of Scripture.

If the only way to heaven is through other Prophets of God who were mentioned in Torah, Gospel, and Quran then Muslims will certainly make heaven because we believe in them.

If the only way to heaven is through Muhammad (pbuh) then only Muslims will make heaven because we are the ones that believe in him and what he brought of Quran.

But if the only way to heaven is through Muhammad (pbuh) then known of the recent generations of Christians and Jews will make heaven because they rejected him and what he brought of Quran.

The truth is clear for all to see: Jesus (pbuh) is noble servant and messenger of God just like Noah (pbuh), Abraham (pbuh), and Moses (pbuh) before him and just like Muhammad (pbuh) after him.

There is nothing about him that is more extraordinary than those before and after him. And certainly none of them, including Jesus (pbuh), ever ascribed Lordship or sonship of God to himself. You just wrote things with your own hands and attributed it to a noble and innocent servant and messenger of Allaah.

sharpwriter:


You may read what I just wrote by quoting the OP. But to answer you, I said you should provide scriptural backings, but you didn't. I was in the same teaching and understanding as yours some years ago, before the Lord shewed me. Nobody will use their blood to redeem themselves. The reason we believed that teaching before is because we were taught from the pulpit and we didn't study on our own , and whatever we hear is wht we believe becos we trust our shepherds,and of course it is sometimes not the shepherd's fault, it is the amount of light available to them at that time that they teach from. If our blood could redeem us at all, then Jesus need not to die. The only one I know is those that are saved as though they pass through fire (which someone equate as using their blood). It can be found in 1 Corinthian 3:11-15. And this is because some people's work cant endure test of fire, and these people will suffer loss without reward eve though they are saved. Then concerning the AntiChrist and the Christians, see Revelation 13: 10 which talked about the Faith of the saints, meaning the saints of God were still present when the AntiChrist is around; read from verse 8 to the end, you will see that it said without mark, no buying and selling and the rest. Then see Revelation 14:12 that says again, here is the patience of the saints , but read and study from verse 11 or better still the beginning. Verse 11 says anyone that receives the mark will be tormented forever, then verse 12 talks about those who keep God's commandment and the patience of the saints. Verse 13 says, blessed are those who dies in the Lord from that moment, for they shall rest, note that the antichrist is still present o, but those saints refuse to get the mark because they fear God. Bible didn't say they are cursed or it serves them right because they didn't meet the rapture. If yu read downwards, yu will now see that it was later that the Lord released wrath according to this chapter 14. The book of Revelation is a complex book, yu may read something today, thinking yu see, then read same place tomoro, and find something different tomoro as if yu never read initially But the bottom line of my typings is so yu knw that saints were present during anti christ reign, and not after, so nobody dey go anywhere until tested. Go prepare o....na here we go dey together wey we go dey chop amala and ewedu till the tym if death never com And also note that, with tinx happening around us and how difficult for ppl to live , we can say the tribulation is at the edge of starting or already started or to be fair, we are in the beginning of sorrows according to Matthew 24. Shalom.

Bros the only thing you made clear here was the fact that no one can save himself with his own blood, that is well understood but you couldn't explain the place bible talked about both the living and the dead going up to meet the Lord on the sky, because you were saying that we will all be here, if we will all be here during the time of the antichrist then explain the place that says we will go up and meet with Christ in the sky?

Ever8054:
if I say I understand anything in this your write up I be lying... so what exactly is your point I mean in one word...?

My post is plain enough, none of the "signs of end time" wasn't happening 2000 years ago, almost all even predate Jesus

FarmTech:

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Rev 20:4

Very sorry for the late response. That scripture you quoted were for those who died in Christ, who refused to receive the mark of the beast. Rev.13:10 says, here is the patience of the saints, that is, saints generally, not some set of christians who missed the rapture and paid with their blood. Note that no record of rapture taken place has been recorded, not even in chapter 12. Note chapter 13:7, that he was given power to wage war with the saints and overcome them, that is the reasons for those killings and the reason for the patience and endurance of the saints because they refused to worship him nor recieve the mark.
See Revelation 14:9 again, it says if anyone worships the beast or recieve mark, God shall punish such, and take a very good note at Rev. 14:12, which says here is the patience of the saints;HERE ARE THOSE WHO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD AND THE FAITH OF JESUS. so you cant say those who miss the rapture are those who keep the commandment and the faith. So those in the verse you quoted are those saints who were patient with the sufferings and persecution of the antichrist, and they obeyed God till death. Therefore brace up yursef, or rather pray that our generation wont see it if yu fear the sufferings to com Shalom.

people4rmVillag:

Bros the only thing you made clear here was the fact that no one can save himself with his own blood, that is well understood but you couldn't explain the place bible talked about both the living and the dead going up to meet the Lord on the sky, because you were saying that we will all be here, if we will all be here during the time of the antichrist then explain the place that says we will go up and meet with Christ in the sky?

Very sorry for the late response.

Your answer is in 2 Thessalonian 2. read from beginning to end but take note of verse 3-4 that says the Day of the Lord will not come unless the son of perdition is revealed. So, no antichrist, no rapture or the Lord's day.

Also see Revelation 14:14-16. the Son of Man sitting on the cloud will thrust His sickle in the earth for harvest, which means harvest of the saints, but note from beginning of chapter 13 and 14 that antichrist have arrived. and the saints were patient. The harvest that Jesus will do is also mentioned in Matthew 13:24-30 (parable of the wheat and tares).

So no meeting of Christ or the Lord's day without the son of perdition being revealed first. Shalom.