Note:

M=Muslim
C= Christian

C. Why have there been in the last decade many discussions held between Christians and Muslims about their beliefs?

M. I think because we both have several things in common. We believe in the One Creator Who sent many Prophets and in Jesus as the Messiah as well as the Word of God who was denied by the Jews. Our Holy Qur'an mentions in Surah 3:45: [Remember] when the angels said: 'O Mary! Verily Allah gives you the glad tidings of a Word from Him, his name will be Messiah Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and in the hereafter, and of those who are near to Allah, ' Dialogues have been held everywhere in Europe, Canada, the United States, and Australia. Even the Vatican has participated: discussions were held between Vatican theologians and Egyptian Muslim scholars in Rome in 1970 and in Cairo in 1974 and 1978. Another series of discussions between Vatican theologians and Saudi Arabian Muslim scholars was held in Rome in 1974. Muslims have also been invited by many churches to present Islam.

C. If Christianity is nearly two thousand years old and Islam more than fourteen hundred years old, why were these discussions not held centuries ago?

M. For the last three to four centuries, many Asian and African countries that had been ruled by Muslims were colonized by Britain France, Holland, Belgium, Spain, and Portugal. Many Christian missionary and religious colonists tried to convert as many
Muslims as they could by whatever means they had: giving medical treatment clothes, food, and jobs to the poor. However, only a few converted. A small part of the elite was
converted to Christianity because of its belief that Christianity brought civilization and
progress. They adopted this mistaken idea because they believed that western-style
progress was attained after the separation of church and state in Europe.
After the Second World War, many Muslims from Asian and African countries emigrated
to the West as workers and professionals. This brought them into much closer contact with
Christians. Also, students were active in introducing Islam.

C. Do you see other reasons why many dialogues are held nowadays even by their
respective missions?

M. I think the gap between both is becoming smaller as each is more tolerant, although
both are still competing for converts. I still remember my Christian teacher, who used to
say: "Muhammad the imposter, the dreamer, the epileptic." You now find fewer writers
depicting Islam in such a manner.

The Holy Bible

M. Are you sure that the Bible is holy?
C. Yes, I am very sure about it, for it is God's Word.
M. Read what Luke said about his recording in 1:2-3.
C. "Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses,
and ministers of the word. It seemed good to me also, having held perfect understanding of
all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus."
M. If Luke had said that he himself was not an eyewitness and the knowledge he gathered
was from eyewitnesses and not as words inspired by God, would you still believe that the
Bible is God's word?
C. Maybe only this part is not God's word.
M. History has shown that the Bible has been changed. The Revised Standard Version
(1952 and 1971), The New American Standard Bible and The New World Translation have
expunged certain verses that are found in The King James Version. The Reader's Digest
has reduced the Old Testament by 50 percent and the New Testament by about 25 percent.
Some years ago Christian theologians wanted to "desex" the Bible. Does "holy" mean that
the Bible

suleiman16:

C. Do you see other reasons why many dialogues are held nowadays even by their
respective missions?

M. I think the gap between both is becoming smaller as each is more tolerant, although
both are still competing for converts. I still remember my Christian teacher, who used to
say: "Muhammad the imposter, the dreamer, the epileptic." You now find fewer writers
depicting Islam in such a manner.

the REAL reason isnt because islam is becoming more tolerant, it is because Islam has become way MORE vindictive and intolerant. Fewer writers are depicting islam in such a manner (truthful manner) because they know what Salman rushdie has had to live thru.

C. If Christianity is nearly two thousand years old and Islam more than fourteen hundred years old, why were these discussions not held centuries ago?

M. For the last three to four centuries, many Asian and African countries that had been ruled by Muslims were colonized by Britain France, Holland, Belgium, Spain, and Portugal. Many Christian missionary and religious colonists tried to convert as many
Muslims as they could by whatever means they had: giving medical treatment clothes, food, and jobs to the poor. However, only a few converted. A small part of the elite was
converted to Christianity because of its belief that Christianity brought civilization and
progress. They adopted this mistaken idea because they believed that western-style
progress was attained after the separation of church and state in Europe.
After the Second World War, many Muslims from Asian and African countries emigrated
to the West as workers and professionals. This brought them into much closer contact with
Christians. Also, students were active in introducing Islam.

how did islam get to these asian and afircan countries in the first place?. . .was it not through the spread of blood. people were killed for their beliefs in order to worship the islamic idol called allah. Thank God for civilisation. . . .we would have been beheaded in broad day light for not being muslims.

on a lighter note. . . . the entire assertions in ur OP are just a ridiculous attempt at propaganda. Go and tell the victims of islamic terrorist attacks that islam is a religion of peace.

suleiman16:

M. I think because we both have several things in common. We believe in the One Creator Who sent many Prophets and in Jesus as the Messiah as well as the Word of God who was denied by the Jews.

Superficially it may appear that we all believe the same and only Creator but when we begin to scratch the surface we will discover that the one you worship as Creator is not the same One we worship as Creator. You will agree with me that your Allah has no son and the one you call Eesa is the interpretation for Esau not necessary Jesus Christ. Yes, many Jews denied Him just as muslims have denied Him as Lord and Saviour. but you have to realise that it was the Jews that believed Him and spread the gospel message throughout the world for as many that received Him to them He gave the power to become the sons of God.

I still don't understand y muslims insist islam is a religion of peace.

xtians,

i devouteness your existance.

@davidylan: « #1 on: April 05, 2010, 06:50 PM »  

Quote from: suleiman16 on April 05, 2010, 06:34 PM
C. Do you see other reasons why many dialogues are held nowadays even by their
respective missions?

M. I think the gap between both is becoming smaller as each is more tolerant, although
both are still competing for converts. I still remember my Christian teacher, who used to
say: "Muhammad the imposter, the dreamer, the epileptic." You now find fewer writers
depicting Islam in such a manner.

the REAL reason isnt because islam is becoming more tolerant, it is because Islam has become way MORE vindictive and intolerant. Fewer writers are depicting islam in such a manner (truthful manner) because they know what Salman rushdie has had to live thru.

Can anyone proof that Muhammad (AS) was an imposter, while others, like Moses, Abraham, Noah, Jesus were not, if we consider the obvious that many of the prophetic saying of Jesus did not come true and time has since ran off away from it ever happening as predicted? I have seen episodes of epileptic. And the man who experienced it, no time did he remember what happened. Can Muhammad be termed as epileptic when everything he reported, none is unreasonable, believeable, and the heart can accept, even for personal reason many disagree? Joseph dreamt amny dreams. Eachone of them true. Muhammad's dreams, each one of them to happen on earth in its own time, exactly on time. I am a dreamer, too, except that I am just an ordinary man. May my dreams come true, regardless of my spiritual quality. Salman Rushdie, just like the muslims who railed against him and wanted his head, in my own opinion are birds of the same feathers. They do not speak the truth. Satanic verses do not occur since no one can proof it, just like Dick Cheney cant proof WMD, yet believed by almost all. Aisha (RA) was not married without mental capability to be involved in the marriage process, because the prophet himself, according to her is the embodiment of Quran walking.


@noetic16; « #2 on: April 05, 2010, 09:39 PM »  

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C. If Christianity is nearly two thousand years old and Islam more than fourteen hundred years old, why were these discussions not held centuries ago?

M. For the last three to four centuries, many Asian and African countries that had been ruled by Muslims were colonized by Britain France, Holland, Belgium, Spain, and Portugal. Many Christian missionary and religious colonists tried to convert as many
Muslims as they could by whatever means they had: giving medical treatment clothes, food, and jobs to the poor. However, only a few converted. A small part of the elite was
converted to Christianity because of its belief that Christianity brought civilization and
progress. They adopted this mistaken idea because they believed that western-style
progress was attained after the separation of church and state in Europe.
After the Second World War, many Muslims from Asian and African countries emigrated
to the West as workers and professionals. This brought them into much closer contact with
Christians. Also, students were active in introducing Islam.


how did islam get to these asian and afircan countries in the first place?. . .was it not through the spread of blood.

No. There was no war on the Indian tribe and their ruler who converted during the splitting of the moon. It was the flights to Ethiopia that made Al Nagash became Muslim when they heard the reading of the Makkan surah titled "Maryam". Your empty outburst of anger will not help your cause if the fortress is pure lies. Allah Messenger (AS) told the followers in the farewell address that the listeners present should take the message to those who were not present. From there, many did not return home, but embark on a journey to the rest of the world, preaching, showing good manners and that captured hearts. Besides, the prophet wrote letters inviting the rulers of the other 'kingdoms' to join Islam, This act separated Muhammad from earlier prophets who concentrated on their own nation, and no one else. Did Jesus make any effort to invite any ruler of his time to join his movement, worship as a "Jew" or that particular sect of Judaism? Of course not. This will tell you who was really sent to the rest of the world, by his own personal action.

people were killed for their beliefs in order to worship the islamic idol called allah. Thank God for civilisation. . . .we would have been beheaded in broad day light for not being muslims.

while your beef is with Islam, please note that Israelite, inseed prophet Moses killed many lives and nations of disbelievers. Abraham did the same and while he was returning from such a war, the king of salem Melchezdeke prayed for him. Yahweh destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for what purpose but disobedience which is another word for disbelief or being a pagan. Why was Noah's flood except to wipe out disbelievers? Anyway, it is true that Allah has shown mercy on you, while you are on earth, free to exercise your free will of accepting Him or disobeying Him, as you are now. But what is your situation after death, except being called a disobeying soul? By the way the Christians fought and killed people who did not convert to Christianity; Is the annihilation of Muslim Spain not a good example for you? Show me a place where Muslims took such a drastic action against any people.

on a lighter note. . . . the entire assertions in your OP are just a ridiculous attempt at propaganda. Go and tell the victims of islamic terrorist attacks that islam is a religion of peace.

If there is a propagandist, it has to be you. Can you tell the Iraqis that te Christians are not terrosits? Can you tell the Afghans that the Christians are ot terroristS? Can you tell the Palestinians that christianity is a cohort if not partners of terror upon them? Just imagine if some tribe invaded your teibal land and send your forefathers into flight, exiled for the past 60 or so years, never to return, but condemned to die as refugee in other lands. What will you and your bloodlines do, or will not do in the future not to struggle to reclaim what grandpa lost to his oppressors? Can you please be human for a day instead of burying your head in the ignorant sand of denial? Foro seni wo. Put yourself in other people's shoes.  By the way why did Jesus (christianity I mean to say) stopped all the old Testament's rituals of Tabernacles, anoitment of oil, slaughter of goats to expediate sins) if he said that the OT should never be abolished?


@OLAADEGBU; « #3 on: Yesterday at 12:54:37 PM »  

Quote from: suleiman16 on April 05, 2010, 06:34 PM
M. I think because we both have several things in common. We believe in the One Creator Who sent many Prophets and in Jesus as the Messiah as well as the Word of God who was denied by the Jews.

Superficially it may appear that we all believe the same and only Creator but when we begin to scratch the surface we will discover that the one you worship as Creator is not the same One we worship as Creator.

Mr. Olaadegbu is making a big blunder; while I agree with you that we do not worship the same Deity, you disregard that the deity you worship cant be said to be "One", but actually it is 3. I will name their names and you can deny if you dare; Yahweh Jehovah Who was before any spoken word. Then we have a never seen but always an errand God the Ghost/Holy spirit. Finaly, we must never forget the Human god son of man Jesus the christ who was so weak to defend himself (sorry you say he was merciful enough to present himself as the willing sacrificial lamb; But you forgot that he yelled in protests; my God, my God why has thou forsakened me?. Thats not voluntary but dissatisfaction.). How are these three magically ONE? Ignorance, if you say they are all one, then I will buy 3 good hones from you and pay the cost of one and call it a fair deal.

You will agree with me that your Allah has no son and the one you call Eesa is the interpretation for Esau not necessary Jesus Christ.

Eesa is different of Esau. Stop trying where there is no need. Who is the wife of God, if Mary is the Mother of God or Mother of the son of God, except that you christians are saying your God is a fornicator and His son is a bastard?

Yes, many Jews denied Him just as muslims have denied Him as Lord and Saviour.

Unless a demented soul, can you allow person who cant defend himself from the hand of man defend you from the wrath of God? Jesus is not a lord or savior, but God Almighty is the ONLY true LORD and Saves WHOM HE WILLS.

but you have to realise that it was the Jews that believed Him and spread the gospel message throughout the world for as many that received Him to them He gave the power to become the sons of God.

The same Jews he called adulterous generation? Leaches, and vipers? How did Jews bastardized their own religion and chamge it to something else, contrary to the Instruction of Jesus that even a Jot off from the OT and the earlier prophets amounts to being called "least" in the kingdom of God? Do you wanna be among who are least in the Kingdom of God that Jesus was refering to? Then abandone Christianity as a first step and forget paul and his gimmicks.


@webb jamie: « #4 on: Yesterday at 01:23:14 PM »  

I still don't understand y muslims insist islam is a religion of peace.

A more intense response is this; how can Christians say they are peaceful and not full of deceit if you consider the youtube's many clips "christian missionary atrocities?" Do you not remember the Spanish mass killings of the Muslims who have ruled them for almost 8 centuries, impacting them with great knowledge, etc? Today, where is the "turn the other cheek" statement from Jesus?

nopuqeater:

@OLAADEGBU; « #3 on: Yesterday at 12:54:37 PM »  Mr. Olaadegbu is making a big blunder; while I agree with you that we do not worship the same Deity, you disregard that the deity you worship cant be said to be "One", but actually it is 3. I will name their names and you can deny if you dare; Yahweh Jehovah Who was before any spoken word. Then we have a never seen but always an errand God the Ghost/Holy spirit. Finaly, we must never forget the Human god son of man Jesus the christ who was so weak to defend himself (sorry you say he was merciful enough to present himself as the willing sacrificial lamb; But you forgot that he yelled in protests; my God, my God why has thou forsakened me?. Thats not voluntary but dissatisfaction.). How are these three magically ONE? Ignorance, if you say they are all one, then I will buy 3 good hones from you and pay the cost of one and call it a fair deal.

At least we agree on one point, that we serve different Masters; The Creator or enemy of the Creator, you will have to decide who you will serve.  The God I serve is three in One (1 x 1 x 1 = 1) who you do not know except He reveals Himself to you.

nopuqeater:

Eesa is different of Esau. Stop trying where there is no need. Who is the wife of God, if Mary is the Mother of God or Mother of the son of God, except that you christians are saying your God is a fornicator and His son is a naughty person?

Who is Esau? Can you tell me the arabic name for Esau? Do you have it in your qu'ran?  Your confusion about the relationship of the Godhead comes from the misconception from the RCC who claim that Mary is the mother of God and the spouse of God, have you heard of the saying that if the blind leads the blind they both fall into a ditch?

nopuqeater:

Unless a demented soul, can you allow person who cant defend himself from the hand of man defend you from the wrath of God? Jesus is not a lord or savior, but God Almighty is the ONLY true LORD and Saves WHOM HE WILLS.

God weeps with us so that we may someday laugh with Him that is the great span from Good Friday to Easter Day.

nopuqeater:

The same Jews he called adulterous generation? Leaches, and vipers? How did Jews bastardized their own religion and chamge it to something else, contrary to the Instruction of Jesus that even a Jot off from the OT and the earlier prophets amounts to being called "least" in the kingdom of God? Do you wanna be among who are least in the Kingdom of God that Jesus was refering to? Then abandone Christianity as a first step and forget paul and his gimmicks.

Why don't you gain entrance into the kingdom first before you worry about the least in the kingdom?  The least is still in the kingdom why do you prefer staying without?

Men of peace?

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1031/1031_01.asp