Mariinee:
Sweetheart, calm down.

Happy New Year.

lol,happy new year dear..its all love!

edimolu:

i know you trying to put me in a tight spot! lol

well as far as i know, jesus is not God, jesus during his earthly period never claimed being God, he is the son of God!

now hold on, before you hit me with usual weak punch, "why is son different from the father",? please do well to read again my post to which you quoted!

peace

Brother, "trying to put you in a tight spot", why should that be?! What i seek is CLARITY.

Now to your post which you have refered me to again,

edimolu:

jesus came to the earth in human flesh

It is that statement that made me ask if it was GOD that came to the earth in Human Flesh. Who was he before coming in human flesh? God?! Now you have said he is not God but son of God. How can this be if Jesus too is not a GOD? WHO IS JESUS IF HE HAS TO COME IN HUMAN FLESH AND YET NOT HUMAN AND YOU HAVE SAID THAT HE IS NOT GOD? What attributes does he share that qualify him as the son of God. Or is it a mere title. edimolu Please help me!
badluckonmygame beg edimolu for me. NO BI TIGHT SPOT I WAN PUT AM Oooooo na OPEN SPOT.

Doctormarrvin:
lol,happy new year dear..its all love!

Lol.

Realitycheck007:
Me and my staffs are having a little argument, cause of the pix i brought to them this morning to explain.. Many people can't Say a word while others are contradicting each other so i decided to bring it up here, I know this isn't the right thread but For the reason this Section has the most viewers and active users... Let's do this, NOTE am a Christian that loves getting new idea of my Belief, Either Wrong or right.. Can someone explain this for me

Cc. Rocktation, farano, lalasticlala, mynd44 )

All them pastor confusionist mixing philosophy with paganism and serving it on the table as religious beliefs....op just hit the very foundation of a confused doctrine that 90%(the remaining 10% too go sa talk rubbish) of pastors cannot even explain without blaming without blaming d confused part on the mysteries of God....Op,here is an opportunity to debunk the joke ones and for all,am nt obligated to convince any1,just to lay the facts bare.

B4 anything,the question can be summarized as; is God a trinity?
Trinity is a doctrine in christaindom,first introduced by the Catholic church and later adopted by other churches that sprang from it.so,what do the Catholics mean by a truine God....the Catholic encyclopedia simply defines its as"God the father,God the son and God the holy spirit,coexisted(non existed b4 d others) are equal(in power and authority) and are inseparable (though 3 bt 1)....
So what does the bible really teach....

Fact1:is it true Jesus was never created,and has always existed from eternity like the father?

Phil1:15,16....He(Jesus)is the image of the invisible God,the FIRSTBORN (first to be)of all creation.....

Prov.8:22-32....The Lord produced me (christ)as the beginning of his way,The earliest of his achievements of long ago....

Fact2:is it true God the Father and the son are coequal (in power and authority)?

John 14:28...You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.

John 5:26,27...26 For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to do judging, because he is the Son of man(obviously, the one giving the authority is greater than the one given authority)

Fact 3 is God and Jesus inseparable,the two existing on earth while both still exist in heaven simultaneously?


Omo ,thats really a dumb reasoning ,aside everything in the bible speaking exactly the opposite...i can quote a million scriptures to debunk this,its not just biblical....and what especially is unbiblical is the teaching of trinity which has its origin in paganism(its d easiest way new converts who previously worshipped a truine god can marry thr idolatry wirh the newly found faith)

WORDWORLD:


Brother, "trying to put you in a tight spot", why should that be?! What i seek is CLARITY.

Now to your post which you have refered me to again,



It is that statement that made me ask if it was GOD that came to the earth in Human Flesh. Who was he before coming in human flesh? God?! Now you have said he is not God but son of God. How can this be if Jesus too is not a GOD? WHO IS JESUS IF HE HAS TO COME IN HUMAN FLESH AND YET NOT HUMAN AND YOU HAVE SAID THAT HE IS NOT GOD? What attributes does he share that qualify him as the son of God. Or is it a mere title. edimolu Please help me!

in the beginning when God said "let us create man in our own image! by what knowledge do you think he was referring to?

The word "God" is attributable to the one we call the father, it is a title,he alone is worthy of the name, then there is the son and then the holy spirit, all three existing as spirits, mind you i never mentioned trinity! some Christians have misconstrued that word and by that call Jesus God! Jesus is never God, he existed as a spirit while with God and came to the earth in human flesh to die for our sins as commanded by God!

in his few teachings, Jesus always regarded God as his father and he' his son..By the words of Jesus , he is the son of God!

Jesus is not God!

Mariinee:
Hehehe, why did you tell him to fvck off now? He made sense, you should counter that.

I hate it when people try to look smart by typing dictionary definitions because they feel they know howta use Google. What he wrote is merely what he saw in his dictionary. Definition and application can differ, and when you look at the definition of what it means to be Agnostic, you'd find that it's a two-way thing. I don't believe anyone can grasp or explain God and neither do I believe that he can be proved or disproved and in that sense, It simply means that an entity called God is actually referenced. Before you can argue whether or not an entity exists, part of you must first acknowledge that entity and I can choose to flow with the part of me that knows that somethings are beyond human and scientific explanation. I have seen things that prove to me that the supernatural exists. Simply put; Agnosticism is a perfect balance between Atheism and Theism, in this balance, you are free to swing where the wind takes you.



I'm only replying you 'cos it's you.

Trinity doctrine is a confusion. Makes no biblical sense

edimolu:


in the beginning when God said "let us create man in our own image! by what knowledge do you think he was referring to?

The word "God" is attributable to the one we call the father, it is a title,he alone is worthy of the name, then there is the son and then the holy spirit, all three existing as spirits, mind you i never mentioned trinity! some Christians have misconstrued that word and by that call Jesus God! Jesus is never God, he existed as a spirit while with God and came to the earth in human flesh to die for our sins as commanded by God!

in his few teachings, Jesus always regarded God as his father and he' his son..By the words of Jesus , he is the son of God!

Jesus is not God!

Thank you so much am so grateful. But i still want some clarification. Is God spirit too?

SIINXU:



Simply put; Agnosticism is a perfect balance between Atheism and Theism, in this balance, you are free to swing where the wind takes you.

"You are free to swing where the wind takes you"? Hmmm.......You mean today you are a BELIEVER IN GOD and then tomorrow a DISBELIEVER IN THE SAME GOD and when the winds blows next tomorrow YOU ARE A BELIEVER IN GOD AGAIN. Swinging like a pendulum? And you want to be taken seriously and not as a Joke?! And what wind is this? Is this mentality not the very epitome of CONFUSED mind?! Moving to and fro between existence and not existence of God? For real how is this possible?!!!!

WORDWORLD:


Thank you so much am so grateful. But i still want some clarification. Is God spirit too?

@bolded, i already pointed it out bro

in the beginning when God said "let us create man in our own image! by what knowledge do you think he was referring to?

The word "God" is attributable to the one we call the father, it is a title,he alone is worthy of the name, then there is the son and then the holy spirit, all three existing as spirits, mind you i never mentioned trinity!some Christians have misconstrued that word and by that call Jesus God! Jesus is never God, he existed as a spirit while with God and came to the earth in human flesh to die for our sins as commanded by God!

in his few teachings, Jesus always regarded God as his father and he' his son..By the words of Jesus , he is the son of God!

Jesus is not God!

John 14:28. “"You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.”

John 17:1–3. “After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you.

John 20:17. “Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"”

Jesus either regarded himself as son of man or son of God, he existed as a spirit in heaven, yet even in human form, he still possessed such powers worthy of God's son!

Mariinee:
The same meanings indeed.

I know enough about it to know it's just a book. It's not hilarious, it's the truth.

Alright then....you are hard to convince!

Enjoy

edimolu:



John 20:17. “Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"”

I purposely asked that question as regards if God is also Spirit. Because am so confuse. If God is spirit and Jesus too is spirit that should mean that Jesus too is a God only that with the first verse you quoted he is not greater but he is a God as well. Hence son of God so that when the Father dies he will take over. IF NOT A GOD TOO WHAT IS IT THAT QUALIFIES HIM AS SON OF GOD IF NOT LIKE HIS FATHER WHO IS ALSO A SPIRIT?

And that verse above "i am ascending to my Father and YOUR FATHER, to my God and YOUR GOD"

"YOUR FATHER"?! AND HOW IS GOD OUR FATHER SINCE WE ARE NOT SPIRITS LIKE JESUS? edimolu please help me! Is that verse not contradictory? AM SO CONFUSE!!!

WORDWORLD:


"You are free to swing where the wind takes you"? Hmmm.......You mean today you are a BELIEVER IN GOD and then tomorrow a DISBELIEVER IN THE SAME GOD and when the winds blows next tomorrow YOU ARE A BELIEVER IN GOD AGAIN. Swinging like a pendulum? And you want to be taken seriously and not as a Joke?! And what wind is this? Is this mentality not the very epitome of CONFUSED mind?! Moving to and fro between existence and not existence of God? For real how is this possible?!!!!

Sometimes I wonder if some of you feed from your nostrils.

SIINXU:



Sometimes I wonder if some of you feed from your nostrils.

Well why wont you wonder. You wey dey swing to and fro like a pendulum CONFUSED. He-he-he-he.......

WORDWORLD:


I purposely asked that question as regards if God is also Spirit. Because am so confuse. If God is spirit and Jesus too is spirit that should mean that Jesus too is a God only that with the first verse you quoted he is not greater but he is a God as well. Hence son of God so that when the Father dies he will take over. IF NOT A GOD TOO WHAT IS IT THAT QUALIFIES HIM AS SON OF GOD IF NOT LIKE HIS FATHER?

I have reteirated this time and again, there is no confusion here except you choose to intentionally get confused, reason why i have simply put and articulated my words in plain grammar! If God can create adam in human form, pray tell? can he not create another spirit and call him his son? And by the way, jesus taking over? That is as laughable as it gets, how does an immortal being die? By the way please go back to that verse and read again!

@bolded
John 14.6:Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

And that verse above "i am ascending to my Father and YOUR FATHER, to my God and YOUR GOD"
"YOUR FATHER"?! Is God our Father too like God is Jesus' father and we are God's sons and daughter too like Jesus is his son? So that when Jesus to dies the next person will take over since Jesus is the first born. AND HOW IS GOD OUR FATHER SINCE WE ARE NOT SPIRITS LIKE JESUS?

This is just plain english toying with you, don't let words take a hold of you, for instance, if i say to a neighbour, my father in heaven will judge you for hitting me, does he take the word "father" for the one that biologically produced me or my heavenly father? You should relate this with your comment! As christians we regard God as father, it is allowed!

What differentiates us from jesus and further confirms he being the son of God are, he existed in the spirit form before coming to save us, many prophets had prophesised his coming, he was born out of a virgin, i could go on and on!

Till now i haven't gotten the point you tryna drive

2 Corinthians 3:4-6

1 Corinthians 2:14

Romans 8:7

Joshua 1:8

2 Timothy 2:15

You cannot be a Christian with that kind of filth and uncircumcised thoughts in your heart. Being a Christian starts from when you have heard the story of Jesus and have received his word and then confessed and received him as your Lord and Savior. That's how you become a Christian, and not by going to church or Christian gatherings. Study those portions, please, and be renewed.

well as for me, I would say God is supreme. first of all, God is a supernatural being that we all don't know His origination.
Now, I believe u all knw that he will destroy the world d last day. so dat is y he truly came down to earth and died for us. God himself was Jesus christ but he can't come physically as he is as God so he reformed into a human born by a human to show to us he is human as we re cos we re his image and likeness. so he died for us to clean our sins which truly he has caused because he created Adam and eve who started d sin, so he don't want d sin to continue he came to die for us to amend his mistake and make us turn to him and wen we don't den d last day he will punish does who disobeyed him., so God is God, and he is d same as Jesus d Son and d holy spirit Jesus left with his disciples.Meaning he is still with us in dat spirit to open d door for him to come in. and Dats our change of heart. thanks

edimolu:


As christians we regard God as father, it is allowed!

You just made EXPLICIT the point i have been trying to make with that statement above. Which is that Jesus is also "REGARDED" as son of God not that he is the son of God since he is NOT God as we too are not God but humans. Hence its just a regard that God is the father of Jesus as its a regard that He is our father. Except if God being a spirit and Jesus too being a spirit then BOTH are Gods, hence its not just a regard, a title as son of God but actually the son of God. So the point am making is that its no more than a REGARD that Jesus is the Son of God for he is not actually the SON OF GOD because he is not GOD too like his father. EDIMOLU DO YOU GET IT! AS LONG AS YOU INSIST THAT JESUS IN NOT A GOD TOO THEN SUCH AS SONS OF GOD APPLIES TO ALL AS MERE WISHFUL TITLE.

babeyjoston:
well as for me, I would say God is supreme. first of all, God is a supernatural being that we all don't know His origination.
[s]Now,i believe u all knw that he will destroy the world d last day. so dat is y he truly came down to earth and died for us. God himself was Jesus christ but he can't come physically as he is as God so he reformed into a human born by a human to show to us he is human as we re cos we re his image and likeness. so he died for us to clean our sins which truly he has caused because he created Adam and eve who started d sin, so he don't want d sin to continue he came to die for us to amend his mistake and make us turn to him and wen we don't den d last day he will punish does who disobeyed him., so God is God, and he is d same as Jesus d Son and d holy spirit Jesus left with his disciples.Meaning he is still with us in dat spirit to open d door for him to come in. and Dats our change of heart thanks[/s]

The ruled out epistle reflects where you stopped making sense....one would ask if your brain actually sprouted such nonsense, we know your ilk, the dumb christians who believe in trinity....ode

WORDWORLD:


You just made EXPLICIT the point i have been trying to make with that statement above. Which is that Jesus is also "REGARDED" as son of God not that he is the son of God since he is NOT God as we too are God but humans. Except if God being a spirit and Jesus to being a spirit then BOTH are Gods, hence son of God like you used the analogy of biology for we humans 'LIKE FATHER LIKE SON'. So the point am making is that its no more than a REGARD that Jesus is the Son of God but not SON OF GOD because he is not GOD like his father.

It is because of people like you jesus also called himself the son of man, could you relate that to the epistle you typed? No i guess

Since we are in the trend(your trend) of comparing jesus with humans,you do know jesus emphasized being the son of God such that you don't get to meet the father without him, now can any mere mortal make such statement?

You are free to believe whatever suits you....

edimolu:

It is because of people like you jesus also called himself the son of man, could you relate that to the epistle you typed? No i guess

Since we are in the trend(your trend) of comparing jesus with humans,you do know jesus emphasized being the son of God such that you don't get to meet the father without him, now can any mere mortal make such statement?

You are free to believe whatever suits you....

The point am making is that its no more than a REGARD, A TITLE that Jesus is the Son of God for he is not actually the SON OF GOD because he is not GOD too like his father. AS LONG AS YOU EDIMOLU INSIST THAT JESUS IN NOT A GOD TOO THEN SUCH AS SON OF GOD APPLIES TO ALL WHO LIKE JESUS ARE NOT GOD AS MERE WISHFUL TITLE. I HOPE AM CLEAR NOW EDIMOLU!!!

Mariinee:
Lol.

my Mariinee!

Doctormarrvin:
my Mariinee!

Yes dear?

The Jesus of the bible is not a real historical character. He was cooked up by the Romans to control Judae.

whether u stroke my words or not, believe it or take it. God himself is Jesus, he is 3 in one God.
you dumb Christian. can u ask urself y Jesus said u can't see God the Father except through him. ? dat means u need to take him as ur lord aand saviour and believe he died for u. Jesus is not as human as we re he is half God himself and human by appearance. get dat to ur skull.

Mariinee:
Yes dear?

Hope you've finally seen a reason to be nice?

Goddamn...such debate

babeyjoston:
whether u stroke my words or not, believe it or take it. God himself is Jesus, he is 3 in one God.
you dumb Christian. can u ask urself y Jesus said u can't see God the Father except through him. ? dat means u need to take him as ur lord aand saviour and believe he died for u. Jesus is not as human as we re he is half God himself and human by appearance. get dat to ur skull.

edimolu can you please read the above and you babeyjoston if God himself is Jesus. CAN GOD DIE?!!! IS GOD MORTAL OR IMMORTAL?!

Doctormarrvin:
Hope you've finally seen a reason to be nice?

Nope. But soon, hopefully.

AnodaIT:
The first sentence is wrong so that destroy the rest of the argument

God sent His only begotten Son, He didn't came down himself

What abt that I and my father are one quote?

What's the point of sacrificing Jesus Christ sef?

babeyjoston:
whether u stroke my words or not, believe it or take it. God himself is Jesus, he is 3 in one God.
you dumb Christian. can u ask urself y Jesus said u can't see God the Father except through him. ? dat means u need to take him as ur lord aand saviour and believe he died for u. Jesus is not as human as we re he is half God himself and human by appearance. get dat to ur skull.

God is Jesus? Waawu.
So our powerful 'God' allowed himself to be killed by pagans because of the sins of useless people like you?