Mankind is a spirit, he possesses a soul and he -his soul and spirit, lives in a body. You are not your body - the physical appearance, you are a spirit being. Soul and spirit has been used interchangeable
ly but they are very distinct. Your soul is your mind, your will, your emotions, your thinker. When you die your spirit and soul will go with you and leave your body behind. By nature the spirit that we were born with our default spirit - human spirit/ spirit of Adam, is a weak and a defeated spirit as a matter of fact the human spirit is dead to God (Colossians 2:13 ). Remember Adam and Eve were deceived by the devil and ever since the human spirit has been dead to God. So what happens when someone becomes a true Christian - born again. The born again experience will only impact your spirit - the dead spirit. God sends his spirit - Holy spirit, through Christ to you and replaces it with the dead spirit. The spirit which God has given you transforms your soul - REGENERATION. This is done completely outside your own human effort - self righteousness. For the spirit to thrive and work hand in hand with your soul, it needs to be fed the word of God continually - everyday, reading and meditating on the word of God and listening to biblical messages (Roman 12:2). Is it possible for one to have this spirit and not manifest in ones life? YES. Through starvation or quenching - failure to renew our mind with the word of God. Can attending all church programs and crusades make you have the Spirit of God? NO. Can reading the Bible make you have the Spirit of God? NO. Is it possible for someone attending Church since childhood not have the Spirit of God? YES.
Is it possible to engage in church activities and not have the Spirit of God? YES.
So how can one receive the Spirit of God ? Topic for another day

Extract from PC of CE. It is correct.

Alliance01:

Mankind is a spirit, he possesses a soul and he -his soul and spirit, lives in a body. You are not your body - the physical appearance, you are a spirit being. Soul and spirit has been used interchangeable
ly but they are very distinct. Your soul is your mind, your will, your emotions, your thinker. When you die your spirit and soul will go with you and leave your body behind. By nature the spirit that we were born with our default spirit - human spirit/ spirit of Adam, is a weak and a defeated spirit as a matter of fact the human spirit is dead to God (Colossians 2:13 ). Remember Adam and Eve were deceived by the devil and ever since the human spirit has been dead to God. So what happens when someone becomes a true Christian - born again. The born again experience will only impact your spirit - the dead spirit. God sends his spirit - Holy spirit, through Christ to you and replaces it with the dead spirit. The spirit which God has given you transforms your soul - REGENERATION. This is done completely outside your own human effort - self righteousness. For the spirit to thrive and work hand in hand with your soul, it needs to be fed the word of God continually - everyday, reading and meditating on the word of God and listening to biblical messages (Roman 12:2). Is it possible for one to have this spirit and not manifest in ones life? YES. Through starvation or quenching - failure to renew our mind with the word of God. Can attending all church programs and crusades make you have the Spirit of God? NO. Can reading the Bible make you have the Spirit of God? NO. Is it possible for someone attending Church since childhood not have the Spirit of God? YES.
Is it possible to engage in church activities and not have the Spirit of God? YES.
So how can one receive the Spirit of God ? Topic for another day

lolz too much of Kenneth having ryt?

Alliance01:

Mankind is a spirit, he possesses a soul and he -his soul and spirit, lives in a body. You are not your body - the physical appearance, you are a spirit being. Soul and spirit has been used interchangeable
ly but they are very distinct. Your soul is your mind, your will, your emotions, your thinker. When you die your spirit and soul will go with you and leave your body behind. By nature the spirit that we were born with our default spirit - human spirit/ spirit of Adam, is a weak and a defeated spirit as a matter of fact the human spirit is dead to God (Colossians 2:13 ). Remember Adam and Eve were deceived by the devil and ever since the human spirit has been dead to God. So what happens when someone becomes a true Christian - born again. The born again experience will only impact your spirit - the dead spirit. God sends his spirit - Holy spirit, through Christ to you and replaces it with the dead spirit. The spirit which God has given you transforms your soul - REGENERATION. This is done completely outside your own human effort - self righteousness. For the spirit to thrive and work hand in hand with your soul, it needs to be fed the word of God continually - everyday, reading and meditating on the word of God and listening to biblical messages (Roman 12:2). Is it possible for one to have this spirit and not manifest in ones life? YES. Through starvation or quenching - failure to renew our mind with the word of God. Can attending all church programs and crusades make you have the Spirit of God? NO. Can reading the Bible make you have the Spirit of God? NO. Is it possible for someone attending Church since childhood not have the Spirit of God? YES.
Is it possible to engage in church activities and not have the Spirit of God? YES.
So how can one receive the Spirit of God ? Topic for another day

These whole thing is mixed up man.
Saying we are spirits or soul is God's stand point of view because God is spirit.
Although humans also view themselves as souls, for instance I'm a soul, humans were not suppose to view themselves as spirits, a lot of christians out of this ambiguity mistakenly dim it fit to view themselves as spirits with special powers to pray.
They will read this your post and be happy, not knowing there are mixed up somewhere in this kinda message commonly preached in churches to make people happy and pay tithe to pastors and pastors are becoming rich meanwhile they are paying they are not learning.
The ambiguity lies in the word soul, in that, God sees us as soul, humans also sees themselves as souls but humans cannot see themselves as spirits.
So, the words spirits and souls can only be used interchangeably where God is talking, not man.

The implication of this ambiguity is that, a lot of christians believing that they are spirits and not understanding what they are doing,will not want to work but keep seeking spiritual remedy to their breakthrough, so you keep seeing them in church.

paxonel:

These whole thing is mixed up man.
Saying we are spirits or soul is God's stand point of view because God is spirit.
Although humans also view themselves as souls, for instance I'm a soul, humans were not suppose to view themselves as spirits, a lot of christians out of this ambiguity mistakenly dim it fit to view themselves as spirits with special powers to pray.
They will read this your post and be happy, not knowing there are mixed up somewhere in this kinda message commonly preached in churches to make people happy and pay tithe to pastors and pastors are becoming rich meanwhile they are paying they are not learning.
The ambiguity lies in the word soul, in that, God sees us as soul, humans also sees themselves as souls but humans cannot see themselves as spirits.
So, the words spirits and souls can only be used interchangeably where God is talking, not man.

The implication of this ambiguity is that, a lot of christians believing that they are spirits and not understanding what they are doing,will not want to work but keep seeking spiritual remedy to their breakthrough, so you keep seeing them in church.

I don't want us to complicate the whole issue bro, this is simple and let's pick it one by one, firstly from ur own understanding what is a soul and what is a spirit?

Alliance01:



I don't want us to complicate the whole issue bro, this is simple and let's pick it one by one, firstly from ur own understanding what is a soul and what is a spirit?

Because the way God view somethings is different from the way man view them.

Category1: HOW MAN SHOULD VIEW THIS
The soul is human body controlled by his mind. That is, every human being or everybody is a soul.
Soul=body=mind=the human.

Now, God is spirit.

The soul which is the human, have spirit(or Holy spirit in the case of a christian) which do not show physically or manifest in any form .That means the soul or human or his mind, is not the spirit in him and the spirit in him is not the soul or the person or his mind.
Let's apply this in a situation for proper understanding.
In a situation were the person have exam to write, who is doing the reading?
Is it his soul or his mind that is doing the reading or his spirit that is doing the reading?
Certainly it is his soul or his mind or body that is doing the reading not his spirit. If he fails to read the holy spirit in him cannot help him to pass no matter how hard he prays, God who is spirit will just be looking at him.
The same thing applies to a situation were the person needs financial breakthrough. He need to work.

Category 2: HOW GOD VIEWS THIS.
I think this is what the OP is trying to explain, you are right. Only that you were mixing up some elements of category 1 with that of category 2, which have confused so many christians.

To God, the Soul is the human spirit (or holy spirit if he is a christian) in him.
Soul=spirit
However, God is not interested in the human body or mind. Flesh and blood cannot please God, because God is spirit.
This implies that God is interested in saving the spirit of the soul(what God sees as the soul)from dying with the body the day the person dies.
Because in category 1 above, death was the product of the mind and the body in the first place.
It took the mind and body which is the soul known as Adam to sin.

paxonel:

Because the way God view somethings is different from the way man view them.

Category1: HOW MAN SHOULD VIEW THIS
The soul is human body controlled by his mind. That is, every human being or everybody is a soul.
Soul=body=mind=the human.

Now, God is spirit.

The soul which is the human, have spirit(or Holy spirit in the case of a christian) which do not show physically or manifest in any form .That means the soul or human or his mind, is not the spirit in him and the spirit in him is not the soul or the person or his mind.
Let's apply this in a situation for proper understanding.
In a situation were the person have exam to write, who is doing the reading?
Is it his soul or his mind that is doing the reading or his spirit that is doing the reading?
Certainly it is his soul or his mind or body that is doing the reading not his spirit. If he fails to read the holy spirit in him cannot help him to pass no matter how hard he prays, God who is spirit will just be looking at him.
The same thing applies to a situation were the person needs financial breakthrough. He need to work.

Category 2: HOW GOD VIEWS THIS.
I think this is what the OP is trying to explain, you are right. Only that you were mixing up some elements of category 1 with that of category 2, which have confused so many christians.

To God, the Soul is the human spirit (or holy spirit if he is a christian) in him.
Soul=spirit
However, God is not interested in the human body or mind. Flesh and blood cannot please God, because God is spirit.
This implies that God is interested in saving the spirit of the soul(what God sees as the soul)from dying with the body the day the person dies.
Because in category 1 above, death was the product of the mind and the body in the first place.
It took the mind and body which is the soul known as Adam to sin.

From this message based on what I understood, I would try as much as possible to summarize your ur point. You concluded that the mankind is made of the body and soul, that the soul is the same as the spirit. In another context you said the spirit is inside the soul.
But here is what I would like to affirm its a fact even in the secular world that human being is made up of the body, the soul and the spirit. take the case of an individual possessed with a spirit, e.g of spirit of adultery, this spirit controls his mind - the soul, which he then manifest in the body through his actions. He might not be the wish of his mind to engage in adultery but he his being controlled by a force that the wind can not resist, this is where I agree with your point that the spirit is inside the soul. In human beings since our spirit which controls our soul is dead to God - imperfect, the spirit after our birth will possess any of theses worldly acts sexual immortality, jealousy, telling lies, selfishness, hatred, excess love for money and so on. there is no human being that would not have any of this weaknesses in his spirit, that his why we say no one is perfect, this acts controls our mind and manifest in our body through our actions. But this is what God has done through his Holy Spirit, He replaces our old spirit with the Holy Spirit, this Spirit Changes our mind, the way we perceive things will be different, and if finally manifest in our actions. The Spirit - Holy spirit controls our actions.

Alliance01:


From this message based on what I understood, I would try as much as possible to summarize your ur point. You concluded that the mankind is made of the body and soul, that the soul is the same as the spirit. In another context you said the spirit is inside the soul.
But here is what I would like to affirm its a fact even in the secular world that human being is made up of the body, the soul and the spirit. take the case of an individual possessed with a spirit, e.g of spirit of adultery, this spirit controls his mind - the soul, which he then manifest in the body through his actions. He might not be the wish of his mind to engage in adultery but he his being controlled by a force that the wind can not resist, this is where I agree with your point that the spirit is inside the soul. In human beings since our spirit which controls our soul is dead to God - imperfect, the spirit after our birth will possess any of theses worldly acts sexual immortality, jealousy, telling lies, selfishness, hatred, excess love for money and so on. there is no human being that would not have any of this weaknesses in his spirit, that his why we say no one is perfect, this acts controls our mind and manifest in our body through our actions. But this is what God has done through his Holy Spirit, He replaces our old spirit with the Holy Spirit, this Spirit Changes our mind, the way we perceive things will be different, and if finally manifest in our actions. The Spirit - Holy spirit controls our actions.

We all wish that the holy spirit should control our actions like you said. But that is really far from the truth.
Otherwise, everyone practicing christianity will all be good people by the holy spirit in them.
But the reality still remains that, inspite the fact that the holy spirit in us, we will still have to work on ourselves to become good people without the influence of the holy spirit in us.

paxonel:

We all wish that the holy spirit should control our actions like you said. But that is really far from the truth.
Otherwise, everyone practicing christianity will all be good people by the holy spirit in them.
But the reality still remains that, inspite the fact that the holy spirit in us, we will still have to work on ourselves to become good people without the influence of the holy spirit in us.

Absolutely, I agree with you the fact that the scripture said that "we are dead to sin" does not mean we should sleep and relax we have to stand guard and be ready for battle we should put on the full armour in Christ because the devil our greatest adversity is always lurking around seeking for who to devour. Another vital point is that the so called Christians of today majority are not really Christian - don't have the spirit of God. Some have it but its not manifesting because its been quenched and starved in their lives.

Ferisidowu:

lolz too much of Kenneth having ryt?

Kenneth what? this is an article which I have taken time to put together.

Alliance01:


Absolutely, I agree with you the fact that the scripture said that "we are dead to sin" does not mean we should sleep and relax we have to stand guard and be ready for battle we should put on the full armour in Christ because the devil our greatest adversity is always lurking around seeking for who to devour. Another vital point is that the so called Christians of today majority are not really Christian - don't have the spirit of God. Some have it but its not manifesting because its been quenched and starved in their lives.

A scripture says as many that believe he gave power to become the sons of God. It did not say as many that manifest their holy spirit he gave power.
So, the key decision is to believe.
Being a christian was a gift of God to all of us, not that we decerved it because we were good.
So, you can't say someone is not really a christian because he is not manifesting the spirit of God or involved in sinful activities.
However, any christian commiting sin will suffer the consequence like anyone else, here in this life.

I never read the Dutch epistle tho, but I'm sure of one thing judging from ya title.

If one is truly a CHRISTIAN, hell-fire is a sure bus-stop for that person