WORDWORLD:


Hmmm........you amuse me really. And why?! The reason is so simple because i know who is behind this moniker as one who with that usual hot temper. This aint your only moniker. Why disguise to answer my question. There is nothing you dug. Its all about our clashes we had before that you have brought here. I EXPECT NO DEVIATION FROM YOU. Truth be told, there is nothing wrong with trying to seek for knowledge. You need to learn to be a good advertiser of Christianity. There a million and one people reading this, so dont be focused about what you think is my motive. BUT HOW TO WIN HEARTS INTO YOUR FAITH BY USING PLEASING AND WORDS OF WISDOM FOR THE CATCH. Yes, my topics says as it is all because my first time of having anything to do in the religion section with an open mind. PEOPLE OF YOUR TYPE OF MENTALITY STATRED BEHAVING EXACTLY LIKE YOU ARE BEHAVING TO MY INNOCENT INTERACTIONS SO I HAD NO CHOICE THAN TO FIRE BACK BUT TODAY I KNOW BETTER THAT ITS JUST WASTE OF ENERGY. Infact i have stoped partronizing the religion section for ages. Am mostly in the romance section because of people like you who dont even show that the practice their faith in TRUTH. For your demonstration here as not presented you as Christ like in any way.

Are you sure you are alright ? Clashes we have had before? In another life or in this one? In flesh or in spirit? In reality or in dream?

I have 2 monikers, butterflylion and this one so which of them has clashed with you in the past and why would they want to "disguise " themselves to respond to you?

First teach yourself to be a good advertiser of Islam before you talk about Christianity. Telling you as it is based on my own observations must be a bit unsettling for you but the truth needs to be said so if you find my calling you "mischievous " a strange or uncomfortable thing then have a discussion with your own topics in the religion section.

MuttleyLaff:
No, WORDWORLD,
Salvation is from the Jews
It is the power of God at work, saving everyone who believes--the Jew first and also the Gentile

Because the Jews are his first point of contact. I get you now. You see if only we work hard towards understanding one another we will all live in peace.

WORDWORLD:
Mutteylaff what is the meaning of the name Jesus. Honestly I DONT know.
Please kindly tell me with reference pleases from the Bible like Emanuel is defined as "GOD IS WITH US". I will be glad.
TRUTH BE TOLD THERE IS NO HANKY-PANKY HERE!!!
Its a quest to sincerely increase in knowledge.

WORDWORLD, try to attempt
Take a wild guess
If you give a wrong answer, then it'll be the right answer in search of a different question.

butterflyl1on:


Are you sure you are alright ? Clashes we have had before? In another life or in this one? In flesh or in spirit? In reality or in dream?

I have 2 monikers, butterflylion and this one so which of them has clashed with you in the past and why would they want to "disguise " themselves to respond to you?

First teach yourself to be a good advertiser of Islam before you talk about Christianity. Telling you as it is based on my own observations must be a bit unsettling for you but the truth needs to be said so if you find my calling you "mischievous " a strange or uncomfortable thing then have a discussion with your own topics in the religion section.

Kindly post what you have dug about me in the religion section here for all to read PLEASE!!! And quite pretending.

WORDWORLD:
Because the Jews are his first point of contact. I get you now.
You see if only we work hard towards understanding one another we will all live in peace.

It could have been the Ibos, could have have been the Ijaws, could have been the Hausas, could have been the Yanks, it could have been any particular race of people,
but fortunately for the Jews, it was them

When you sit down to eat a plate of rice,
you scoop your first spoonful from anywhere on the plate, and afterwards reach to other parts of the plate, dont you?
So it happened with the Jews, they were the first spoonful scoop

MuttleyLaff:
WORDWORLD, try to attempt
Take a wild guess
If you give a wrong answer, then it'll be the right answer in search of a different question.

You are not answering my question. Am honestly here to learn. DO YOU KNOW WHAT CHANGED MY PERSPECTIVE. I read a book tittle: 'Common grounds between Buddhism and Islam'. And it really got me thinking how we so much have missed seeking to understand each other. And also another book by a former Agnostic. 'Islam and the Destiny of man'. THESE ARE GREAT BOOKS TO READ. Well, why should we turn this to a guessing game. When i intentionally asked you to back your answer up with an authenticity from the Bible in order to make you answer not a fantasy but a FACT. So why should it become a game of conjecture.

MuttleyLaff:
It could have been the Ibos, could have have been the Ijaws, could have been the Hausas, could have been the Yanks, it could have been any particular race of people,
but fortunately for the Jews, it was them

When you sit down to eat a plate of rice,
you scoop your first spoonful from anywhere on the plate, and afterwards reach to other parts of the plate, dont you?
So it happened with the Jews, they were the first spoonful scoop

I get you clearly. Which i must ask this question. What about the remaining parts of the world. Were there nobody sent to them but only the Jews. While we are all created by the same God. I mean before the coming of Jesus Christ. Its like the Bible is all about the Jews alone, which is more like a monopoly of faith.

WORDWORLD:
You are not answering my question

I am not ignoring your question
Remember I asked you first the question

WORDWORLD:
Am honestly here to learn

Effort is the best indicator of an interest to learn
Tell me what you've learned about the name Jesus?
What do you know about the name and person Jesus?
I'd appreciate the effort, no matter how silly, wrong or ignorant it is, I'd appreciate the effort

WORDWORLD:
DO YOU KNOW WHAT CHANGE MY PERSPECTIVE.
I read a book tittle: Common grounds between Buddhism and Islam.
And it really got me thinking how we so much have missed seeking to understand each other.
And also another book by a former Agnostic.
Islam and the Destiny of man. THESE ARE GREAT BOOKS TO READ.

I am reading the Charles Le Gai Eaton now.
and we can exchange notes later, if you wish

WORDWORLD:
Well, why should we turn this to a guessing game

You never know
You might stumble on the answer whilst guessing

WORDWORLD:
When i intentionally asked you to back your answer up with an authenticity from the Bible in order to make you answer not a fantasy but a FACT.

It is in the bible, black and white, what the meaning of Jesus means WORDWORLD.

WORDWORLD:
So why should it become a game of conjecture.

Not a guessing game, but out of consideration, that option was offered you

WORDWORLD:
I get you clearly. Which i must ask this question.
What about the remaining parts of the world. Were there nobody sent to them but only the Jews.
While we are all created by the same God. I mean before the coming of Jesus Christ.
Its like the Bible is all about the Jews alone, which is more like a monopoly of faith.

No, the Jews, just happened to be the starting point.
No, it's the Jews first, then the rest of the world
Someone has to be first, the Jews happened to have found themselves in that position
Dont be envious, dont be jealous, dont hate
WORDWORLD, you really need to first find out what the name of Jesus means
Put some effort to finding out please,
please dont make me do the donkey work for you, dont make me spoon feed a grown man

MuttleyLaff:
I am not ignoring your question
Remember I asked you first the question

Effort is the best indicator of an interest to learn
Tell me what you've learned about the name Jesus?
What do you know about the name and person Jesus?
I'd appreciate the effort, no matter how silly, wrong or ignorant it is, I'd appreciate the effort

I am reading the Charles Le Gai Eaton now.
and we can exchange notes later, if you wish

You never know
You might stumble on the answer whilst guessing

It is in the bible, black and white, what the meaning of Jesus means WORDWORLD.

Not a guessing game, but out of consideration, that option was offered you

I like the solace which laces your response full of tranquility. Unlike they FANATICS and LUNATICS i come across in this sections. I havent visited this section for a long while. All that i know is that Jesus is mentioned in Matthew along as his purpose which is to save his people from their sins. The purpose but not the meaning.

Here are some reveiws of the book: Islam and the Destiny of man.

First by Jennifer: This may be the best book I've ever read.
the story of Islam, and the story of the
Prophet Muhammad, is often impossible for
the person reared in modernism and/or
secularism to understand. modernism takes
for granted that the past was not as good as
the present, that human life is continually
improving. secularism takes for granted that
religion cannot, or should not, govern the
minutiae of a person's life, that individual
freedom is the most important value.
Islam is a fundamentally different way to
view reality... a story of the perennial
philosophy, the way that human beings have
related to their Creator since time
immemorial, and yet, the sound of it always
hits the modern ear wrongly. but since he
speaks both languages—that of the West, and
that of Islam—fluently, it's the best possible
chance for the modern reader to "get"
Islam, if, indeed, he really wants to. it
cannot be overestimated how important this
book is. it is a book written by someone who
knows how to explain Islam to people who
are innately hostile to it, but who do not
realize they are hostile, who think they are
open-minded, but who in fact stopped
listening already. LOVE this book.

mutteylaff. Secondly by Tim:"Gaton describes himself in a way that was immediately identifiable, as a Muslim who came to the faith "through intellectual conviction and with a belief in the transcendent unity of all revealed religions". This transcendent unity in Islam, which is known through the principle of Tawhid, is a natural extension of the Oneness of Allah. To state this principle as an article of faith and worldview is one thing, to realize its full implications is quite another - particularly for the Western mind. "Islam is the religion of all or nothing, faith in a Reality which allows nothing to have independent reality outside its orbit; for if there were such a thing, however distant, however hidden, it would impugn the perfection and the totality of that which alone is." This is a fundamental re-thinking of identity structures, an entirely new paradigm from a Western mindset. Islam identifies through religion, as nothing is outside of religion. Practice and belief are all part of one coherent structure. Everything we see, everything we think, everything we do is a reflection of our Creator, and therefore nothing is outside of the Creator's domain. As humans, our independence is there in that we are created with free will, but not there in that we are dependent upon the Creator for that free will. Nonetheless, we are still human, and therefore subject to imperfections as humans. These imperfections are seen in how we follow the divine "law" (which is at base simply a recognition of the nature of "being". The law is as fundamental to Islam as is belief in the ONE. The law is not a separate sphere, it is life itself. It is how the perfected life operates. It is congruent to the term "the laws of nature". There is no separation. This can be difficult for the Western mind to grasp, as Western culture is fundamentally built on Christendom, as much as we may or may not want to admit that. Christianity has over the centuries created separate compartments for the spiritual and the mundane. This world here and now is separated - in a sense - from the spiritual in a way that doesn't make sense to the Muslim. Tawhid does not allow separation, everything is intertwined. It might be said that Western culture is only recently starting to realize this by acknowledging that "we are all one" or "we are all connected at base". Islam has long realized this, even if certain Muslims don't always live out this belief in relation to other human beings. Eaton is not only a Western Muslim, but has a vision of where that places him in the world. He has an incredible grasp of both (generalized) the West and Islam, and knows how to communicate through both to both in a way that is crucial for understanding. Like · Likes:4 © 2018 Goodreads, Inc. · Terms ^ Back

WORDWORLD:
I like the solace which laces your response full of tranquility.
Unlike they FANATICS and LUNATICS i come across in this sections. I havent visited this section for a long while.
All that i know is that Jesus is mentioned in Matthew along as his purpose which is to save his people from their sins.
The purpose but not the meaning

Jesus' name actually is Yehoshua or Yeshuah and it means Salvation
Incidentally, there is one Being who is known as our Salvation

WORDWORLD:
Here are some reveiws of the book: Islam and the Destiny of man.

Were the pluggings necessary?
Afterall, I did tell you, I've already got the book, that I am readng it, and we can exchange notes if you wish

MuttleyLaff:
Jesus' name actually is Yehoshua or Yeshuah and it means Salvation
Incidentally, there is one Being who is known as our Salvation

Were the pluggings necessary?
Afterall, I did tell you, I've already got the book, that I am readng it, and we can exchange notes if you wish

Yes it is necesssary. Why because THE FORUM is not all about me and you but a million and one people. so if you think its not necessary as the one individual am discussing with directly, I FOR ONE HAVE IN MY MIND THAT THE REMAINING ONE MILLION DO, AND ARE SO GRATEFUL. And sure the name Jesus is not the ORIGINAL Hebrew but Yeshua. And in Arabic he is call Issa.

WORDWORLD:
Yes it is necesssary.
Why because THE FORUM is not all about me and you but a million and one people.
so if you think its not necessary as the one individual am discussing with directly, I FOR ONE HAVE IN MY MIND THAT THE REMAINING ONE MILLION DO, AND ARE SO GRATEFUL

Please dont try and be too clever by half.
I had already told you, I have the book, that I am reading reading it and we could exchange notes if you wish
so why particularly mentioning me and sending me unimpressive reviews

WORDWORLD:
And sure the name Jesus is not the ORIGINAL Hebrew but Yeshua.
And in Arabic he is call Issa.

You are repeating what I earlier said that: "Jesus' name actually is Yehoshua or Yeshuah"

Yes, in Arabic, He is called Issa, also known as Al-Maseeh
So in essence, Issa Al-Maseeh is Yeshuah Mashiach, Jesus Christ, Saviour the Anointed One

Truth vs illusion. How does one discern the difference? The answer is through questioning. On one hand however, the illusionists believe that to question is to lack faith. Therefore, they will redefine questioning to mean (clarity) instead of truth but what is (clarity) if not to enforce that which you already believe.

Truth. The concept of a mystery god was created by the Jews while enslaved in Egypt. They gained deep insights into human nature and combined them with their existing beliefs. Before the concept of a mystery god, all gods were physical deities. Their Arab cousins then stole the concept to create their own version of a mystery god and called it Allah. The Romans conquered Israel but after a century of rule they couldn’t break the will of the Jews. In fact, the mystery god concept also began to corrupt Romans. 60 years after Jesus died the Roman general Saul created a buy-in by claiming to have a divine intervention on the road to Damascus. The entire mystery god concept was rewritten to give access to heaven to all people, not just the Jews. Who would create a concept of such power and give access to their enemy? No-one!

Illusionists will try all they want to redefine the concept but the truth still remains. Ask any Jew in Israel who will enter their heaven and they will tell you, only them, no one else. Only smart people are able to create their own motivations in life.

MuttleyLaff:
Please dont try and be too clever by half.
I had already told you, I have the book, that I am reading reading it and we could exchange notes if you wish
so why particularly mentioning me and sending me unimpressive reviews

You are repeating what I earlier said that: "Jesus' name actually is Yehoshua or Yeshuah"

Yes, in Arabic, He is called Issa, also known as Al-Maseeh
So in essence, Issa Al-Maseeh is Yeshuah Mashiach, Jesus Christ, Saviour the Anointed One

Al-masseh is a title its not a name in essence.

Lol, laugh wan fall me down "UNIMPRESSIVE REVIEWS". Okay o..lol. well its there and there is nothing you can do about it. Why the vexation about posting reviews about a book you by yourself choose to read. Is it out of contempt your are reading the book or interest? well as i told you the remaining one million find it impressive.

You see, any piece of writing is open to interpretation and indeed is interpreted differently depending on the reader's nature and personality.

Someone who is shallow, and superficial will always interprete his or her reading supperficially ignoring DETAILS. A profoundly deep person approaches it with profundity, trying as much as possible to grasp the message and more than the message to understand the MOTIVE. An arrogant person approaches his readings with arrogance and looks for passages or sentences to justify his or her arrogance. SEEKERS AFTER TRUTH approach a book or writing with the TRUEST, PUREST LIGHT their heart can give and INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY, hence with CONSCIENCE and are CONSCIETIOUS.

Do have a good read.

WORDWORLD:
Al-masseh is a title its not a name in essence

Glad to hear, you know, it isnt a surname, last name or family name
Al-masseh, pre-Islamic Arabia, originally known as Mashiach in Hebrew, and Christ in English, means, the Anointed One
The One Anointed for a purpose, for a reason, for a mission

WORDWORLD:
Lol, laugh wan fall me down "UNIMPRESSIVE REVIEWS".
Okay o..lol. well its there and there is nothing you can do about it.
Why the vexation about posting reviews about a book you by yourself choose to read.
Is it out of contempt your are reading the book or interest?
well as i told you the remaining one million find it impressive.

Out of courtesy, I downloaded the book after you said it influenced you
and immediately started reading it, even before you ever dreamt up an idea to be posting reviews about it

WORDWORLD:
Someone who is shallow, and superficial will always interprete his or her reading supperficially ignoring DETAILS.
A profoundly deep person approaches it with profundity, trying as much as possible to grasp the message and more than the message to understand the MOTIVE.
An arrogant person approaches his readings with arrogance and looks for passages or sentences to justify his or her arrogance.
SEEKERS AFTER TRUTH approach a book or writing with the TRUEST, PUREST LIGHT their heart can give and INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY, hence with CONSCIENCE and are CONSCIETIOUS.

Read the above looking at a mirror, to see who this is talking about

WORDWORLD:
Do have a good read.

The book so far is like watching paint dry

MuttleyLaff:
Glad to hear, you know, it isnt a surname, last name or family name
Al-masseh, pre-Islamic Arabia, originally known as Mashiach in Hebrew, and Christ in English, means, the Anointed One
The One Anointed for a purpose, for a reason, for a mission

Out of courtesy, I downloaded the book after you said it influenced you
and immediately started reading it, even before you ever dreamt up an idea to be posting reviews about it

The book so far is like watching paint dry

Your comment has only added to its review as so far what you have read. Thanks for sharing your view lol.

WORDWORLD:
Your comment has only added to its review as so far what you have read. Thanks for sharing your view lol.

It's the truth, told you we can exchange notes if you wish after I am done reading it

MuttleyLaff:
It's the truth, told you we can exchange notes if you wish after I am done reading it

I suggest it be better to exchange your notes with the reflection you see when you look into the mirror. What ever your DRY views does change the fact Islam and the
Destiny of Man (1994; listed on Q News ' list
of "Ten Books to Take to University", [7] and
Remembering God: Reflections on Islam
(2000). https://archive.is/20120907214934/http://www.q-news.com/368-10Books.html

Dohgon:
Truth vs illusion. How does one discern the difference? The answer is through questioning. On one hand however, the illusionists believe that to question is to lack faith. Therefore, they will redefine questioning to mean (clarity) instead of truth but what is (clarity) if not to enforce that which you already believe.

Truth. The concept of a mystery god was created by the Jews while enslaved in Egypt. They gained deep insights into human nature and combined them with their existing beliefs. Before the concept of a mystery god, all gods were physical deities. Their Arab cousins then stole the concept to create their own version of a mystery god and called it Allah. The Romans conquered Israel but after a century of rule they couldn’t break the will of the Jews. In fact, the mystery god concept also began to corrupt Romans. 60 years after Jesus died the Roman general Saul created a buy-in by claiming to have a divine intervention on the road to Damascus. The entire mystery god concept was rewritten to give access to heaven to all people, not just the Jews. Who would create a concept of such power and give access to their enemy? No-one!

Illusionists will try all they want to redefine the concept but the truth still remains. Ask any Jew in Israel who will enter their heaven and they will tell you, only them, no one else. Only smart people are able to create their own motivations in life.

Did you also read all that you have written up there about Egyptians inventing god in a BOOK written or you are a witness to it? O! ITS AN ILLUSION THAT ALL TRIBES HAVE A NAME THEY CALL GOD. AH, IT MUST HAVE BEEN THE EGYPTIANS THAT TAUGHT THEM TOO. Nawa o!

WORDWORLD:
Guys am still seeking to know your views. Please is the believe in Jesus dying for the sins of mankind and EXCULSIVE concept called SALVATION. That is unless he dies for the sins of mankind there is no salvation?!
muttelylaff, enilove, petra1, anonyNymous, twosquare, butterflylion,adepeter2027, dohgon, emmanystone, ferisidowu.

My reason for asking is because of these verse in the Book of Luke in the Bible about a certain Zacchaeus. I want you to note what Jesus said to him in verse 9.

Luke 19:1-9 New International Version (NIV)
Zacchaeus the Tax Collector
9 Jesus said to him, “Today SALVATION has
come to this house, because this man, too, is
a son of Abraham.
New International Version.

Jesus didn't say SALVATION will come to this house after I die. But "TODAY" while he is still alive. Could it not be that SALVATION is NOT an exclusive concept that unless one believe Jesus died for the sins of mankind that one is saved? SALVATION AS FROM THE LIPS OF JESUS SAID "TODAY" WHILE SPEAKING WITH ZACCHEAUS, FOR ZACCHAEUS WAS OF GOOD CONDUCT. Am trying to understand please. NO INSULTS. And if anyone finds the question to be silly they should bother to answer. Thank you very much for your patience.

You're right . He pronounced salvation to him. It still has to do with his death . Salvation is believing in Christ as the son of God sent to bring life and redemption. There is difference between concept of salvation in the Old Testament and in the new. The Old Testament looks towards the cross while the New Testament look back at the cross. So we have prophets who have spoken about the messiah coming and people were looking forward to him . The salvation that was named on them can not be a reality until he dies . Those who received him receive power to become sons of God after he died and rose .

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Those who believed in Christ under the Old Testament were brought out of hell when Jesus rose . They went with him to heaven.

Matthew 27:50-53
-- Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Saints of Old have been waiting for this event . David spoke about this event ahead of time .

Psalms 16:10
For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption

Apostle Peter confirm this event again in his first message at Pentecost

Acts 2:27-28 Acts 2:25
For David speaketh concerning him. . .28.Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance. . .31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

So you can see that their salvation before and after the cross were all connected to his death and resurrection.

MuttleyLaff:
Glad to hear, you know, it isnt a surname, last name or family name
Al-masseh, pre-Islamic Arabia, originally known as Mashiach in Hebrew, and Christ in English, means, the Anointed One
The One Anointed for a purpose, for a reason, for a mission

Out of courtesy, I downloaded the book after you said it influenced you
and immediately started reading it, even before you ever dreamt up an idea to be posting reviews about it

Read the above looking at a mirror, to see who this is talking about

The book so far is like watching paint dry

It didn't take you long to see the mischief in him as I earlier observed.

butterflyl1on:



Much as I know you are simply being mischievous I will play along.

Zacheaus was a sinner who sought to see Jesus and not Jesus FIRST seeking him out. When Jesus offered to come to his house he gladly accepted and when Jesus came, Zacheaus ACCORDING TO THE LAW said to Jesus in verse 8 "Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.”

According to the law, salvation was based on works and since Jesus had not yet died and rose again, Zacheaus fulfilled the requirements of the law as a sign of repentance. Notice his words in verse 8b "and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount."

He acknowledged his wrong doings and offered to make amends (repent). Based on this, salvation in accordance with the law was fulfilled as proof that zacheaus was a son of Abraham who knew the law but first chose to disobey it but now wishes to fulfil the requirements of the law for salvation.

After the death and resurrection of Jesus, salvation is no longer of works but has become by grace through faith.

Thank you very much sir. The muslim may be troubled about his soul. May he see the beacon of Light Christ exudes.

WORDWORLD:
Guys am still seeking to know your views. Please is the believe in Jesus dying for the sins of mankind and EXCULSIVE concept called SALVATION. That is unless he dies for the sins of mankind there is no salvation?!
muttelylaff, enilove, petra1, anonyNymous, twosquare, butterflylion,adepeter2027, dohgon, emmanystone, ferisidowu.

My reason for asking is because of these verse in the Book of Luke in the Bible about a certain Zacchaeus. I want you to note what Jesus said to him in verse 9.

Luke 19:1-9 New International Version (NIV)
Zacchaeus the Tax Collector
19 Jesus entered Jericho and was passing
through. 2 A man was there by the name of
Zacchaeus; he was a chief tax collector and
was wealthy. 3 He wanted to see who Jesus
was, but because he was short he could not
see over the crowd. 4 So he ran ahead and
climbed a sycamore-fig tree to see him,
since Jesus was coming that way.
5 When Jesus reached the spot, he looked up
and said to him, “Zacchaeus, come down
immediately. I must stay at your house
today.” 6 So he came down at once and
welcomed him gladly.
7 All the people saw this and began to
mutter, “He has gone to be the guest of a
sinner.”
8 But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the
Lord, “Look, Lord! Here and now I give half
of my possessions to the poor, and if I have
cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay
back four times the amount.”
9 Jesus said to him, “Today SALVATION has
come to this house, because this man, too, is
a son of Abraham.
New International Version.

Jesus didn't say SALVATION will come to this house after I die. But "TODAY" while he is still alive. Could it not be that SALVATION is NOT an exclusive concept that unless one believe Jesus died for the sins of mankind that one is saved? SALVATION AS FROM THE LIPS OF JESUS SAID "TODAY" WHILE SPEAKING WITH ZACCHEAUS, FOR ZACCHAEUS WAS OF GOOD CONDUCT. Am trying to understand please. NO INSULTS. And if anyone finds the question to be silly they should bother to answer. Thank you very much for your patience.

I hope you are satisfied with the answers given? For those are the answers.

Emmanystone:

Thank you very much sir. The muslim may be troubled about his soul. May he see the beacon of Light Christ exudes.

I like as you have put it. "The Muslim 'MAY' be and not 'IS' troubled about his soul". Which would have been an emphatic statement. Thank you for your generosity.

The Muslim is not troubled about his soul. He is only seeking for understanding as to how he is being approached by some Christains telling him to leave his own faith with the hope that if he believes in the doctrines that Jesus died for his sins, he is blessed with SALVATION. A Muslim appreciates or should appreciate such gestures when being approached because the intention of that christain is one that shows concern TO SAVE HE OR SHE.

What the muslim is seeking is how this SALVATION doctrine works. Because his own faith teaches him like as Jesus accepted to use the LAW in the story of Zachaesus which emphasis on RESPONSIBILITY and GOOD CONDUCT. That you are responsible for the friuts of your actions and not that anybody will bear the ILL FRUITS on your behalf or a 'price has being paid'. Personal responsiblity and good conduct has been the teachings right from day one. What am trying to understand is of what RELEVANCE is Jesus dying for the sins of Mankind if the LAW worked on RESPONSIBILTY and yet you are saved. What is the ESSENCE of Jesus dying for the sins of mankind if the same the LAW, RESPONSIBILITY is still requires. That is, conversely GOOD ACTIONS saved mankind before Jesus died for the sins of mankind and is still required after his Death. SO WHAT IS THE ESSENCE OF HE DIED FOR OUR SINS WHICH EQUATES SALVATION PLUS GOOD ACTION? What does it proof? Is it necessary? And why is his sacrifice not sufficient unless a human action is required which is to do good? HOW THEN HAS JESUS DYING FOR THEY SINNER, WHO IN THIS CONTEXT IS THAT PERSON SO IRRESPONSIBLE. For responsibility have been the saving grace with the law, SALVATION like Zaccheaus. I hope you can see my intentions and pespective which am trying to understand how the salvation doctrine works. ALL OF THE ANSWERS GIVEN HAS NOT SHOWN ANY RELEVANCE TO JESUS DYING FOR OUR SINS, IF HUMAN ACTION IS STILL A CONSIDERING FACTOR THEN SUCH SACRIFICE IS NOT REQUIRED BECAUSE IT SERVES NO PURPOSE. IF IT DOES, HOW?! And that really is why I asked that question. If you don't have a tangible answer now please take your time to figure it out. And answer with an inevitable conclusion and not flim-flam PLEASE.


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WORDWORLD:


I like as you have put it. "The Muslim 'MAY' be and not 'IS' trouble about his soul". Which would have been an emphatic statement. Thank you for your generosity.

The Muslim is not troubled about his soul. He is only seeking for understanding as to how he is being approached by some Christains telling him to leave his own faith with the hope that if he believes in the doctrines that Jesus died for his sins, he is blessed with SALVATION. A Muslim appreciates or should appreciate such gestures when being approached because the intention of that christain is one that shows concern TO SAVE HE OR SHE.

What the muslim is seeking is how this SALVATION doctrine works. Because his own faith teaches him like as Jesus accepted to use the LAW in the story of Zachaesus which emphasis on RESPONSIBILITY and GOOD CONDUCT. That you are responsible for the friuts of your actions and not that anybody will bear the ILL FRUITS on your behalf. Personal responsiblity and good conduct has been the teachings right from day one. What am trying to understand is of what RELEVANCE is Jesus dying for the sins of Mankind if the LAW worked on RESPONSIBILTY and yet you are saved. What is the ESSENCE of Jesus dying for the sins of mankind if the same requirements as the LAW, RESPONSIBILITY is still. That is conversely GOOD ACTIONS saved mankind before Jesus died for the sins of mankind and is still required after his Death. SO WHAT IS THE MEANING OF HE DIED FOR OUR SINS WHICH EQUATES SALVATION. What does it proof when salvation depends on good action. Is it necessary? And why is his sacrifice not sufficient unless a human action is required which is to do good? HOW THEN HAS JESUS DIED FOR THE SINNER, WHO IN THIS CONTEXT IS THAT PERSON SO IRRESPONSIBLE. For responsibility have been the saving grace with the law. I hope you can see my intentions and pespective which am trying to understand how the salvation doctrine works. ALL OF THE ANSWERS GIVEN HAS NOT SHOWN ANY RELEVANCE TO JESUS DYING FOR OUR SINS, IF HUMAN ACTION IS STILL A CONSIDERING FACTOR THEN SUCH SACRIFICE IS NOT REQUIRED BECAUSE IT SAVES NO PURPOSE. IF IT DOES, HOW?! And that really is why I asked that question. If you don't have a tangible answer now please take your time to figure it out. An aswer with an inevitable conclusion and not flim-flam PLEASE.


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It's obvious you want an endless argument. The Christians have all given you the perfect answer to your question, but you still mention them. I really don't have time for folly this year.

Godbless you.

Emmanystone:

It's obvious you want an endless argument. The Christians have all given you the perfect answer to your question, but you still mention them. I really don't have time for folly this year.

Godbless you.

O thank you for your time am grateful. Its a very, very DIFFICULT position this doctrine of JESUS DIED FOR THE SINS OF MAN KIND. For there is a human act 'A' which was done and have been saving lifes which equates to salvation. Hence Jesus 'B' dying for the sins of mankind is not necessary if it must depend on 'A' to be an act of SALVATION. What it means is that 'B' cannot stand on its own as SALVATION except with 'A' of which 'A' has been standing on its own without 'B' as SALVATION. SO 'B' JESUS AS A SACRIFICE IS NOT NECESSARY BECAUSE 'A' HAS BEEN DOING THE JOB MEANT FOR 'B' TO. Unless 'B' can stand on its own without 'A' then a PRICED AS BEEN PAID because it can stand on its own otherwise it is not necessary. How is it necessary is my question.
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WORDWORLD:

Thank you once again. May God smile on your ways.

Thanks .
God bless you too.

WORDWORLD:


O thank you for your time am grateful. Its a very, very DIFFICULT position this doctrine of JESUS DIED FOR THE SINS OF MAN KIND. For there is a human act 'A' which was done and have been saving lifes which equates to salvation. Hence Jesus 'B' dying for the sins of mankind is not necessary if it must depend on 'A' to be an act of SALVATION. What it means is that 'B' cannot stand on its own as SALVATION except with 'A' of which 'A' has been standing on its own without 'B' as SALVATION. SO 'B' JESUS AS A SACRIFICE IS NOT NECESSARY BECAUSE 'A' HAS BEEN DOING THE JOB MEANT FOR 'B' TO. Unless 'B' can stand on its own without 'A' then a PRICED AS BEEN PAID because it can stand on its own otherwise it is not necessary. How is it necessary is my question.
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As I said earlier , it is necessary.

Jesus does not rely on Adam to fulfill his work of salvation for mankind , if that is the summary of the quoted post above.

You also do not have to suffer for the sins of your forefathers, if you accept Jesus death as a remissions for your sins.

After that , you are expected to go and sin no more:
John 8:5-12 KJV
Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
[6] This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not .
[7] So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
[8] And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
[9] And they which heard it , being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
[10] When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
[11] She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
[12] Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Pls note; Any religion that teaches you that a sinner will make heaven is of the devil.

enilove:


As I said earlier , it is necessary.

Jesus does not rely on Adam to fulfill his work of salvation for mankind , if that is the summary of the quoted post above.

You also do not have to suffer for the sins of your forefathers, if you accept Jesus death as a remissions for your sins.

After that , you are expected to go and sin no more:
John 8:5-12 KJV
Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
[6] This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not .
[7] So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
[8] And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
[9] And they which heard it , being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
[10] When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
[11] She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
[12] Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Pls note; Any religion that teaches you that a sinner will make heaven is of the devil.

Thank you. "After you are expected to go and sin no more". enilove how it is possible to sin no more? Can you explain how or teach me how this is possible? For i just finish reading a verse from the lips of Jesus according to your quote from the Bible. "he that is without sin among you let him cast the first stone". How is it possible to sin no more even after believing that Jesus died for the sins of mankind. HOW?! These are honest questions enilove.

WORDWORLD:


O thank you for your time am grateful. Its a very, very DIFFICULT position this doctrine of JESUS DIED FOR THE SINS OF MAN KIND. For there is a human act 'A' which was done and have been saving lifes which equates to salvation. Hence Jesus 'B' dying for the sins of mankind is not necessary if it must depend on 'A' to be an act of SALVATION. What it means is that 'B' cannot stand on its own as SALVATION except with 'A' of which 'A' has been standing on its own without 'B' as SALVATION. SO 'B' JESUS AS A SACRIFICE IS NOT NECESSARY BECAUSE 'A' HAS BEEN DOING THE JOB MEANT FOR 'B' TO. Unless 'B' can stand on its own without 'A' then a PRICED AS BEEN PAID because it can stand on its own otherwise it is not necessary. How is it necessary is my question.
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hmm to start with ... what's the human act A which you CLAIM had been saving??