AntiNormal:


You say it like you're living outside it...
Are you? Are you really?

I don't live on general opinion

Ferisidowu:

I don't live on general opinion

*smirk Of course you don't... I'll take my definition of God now, if you'd be so kind as to give it...

AntiNormal:



*smirk
Of course you don't...
I'll take my definition of God now, if you'd be so kind as to give it...

you are a theist aren't you?

Ferisidowu:


you are a theist aren't you?

I'm not going to answer your question, and let you go off road... Answer my question first...

AntiNormal:



I'm not going to answer your question, and let you go off road... Answer my question first...

am ready to answer your questions but first you got to make a deal with me

Ferisidowu:


am ready to answer your questions but first you got to make a deal with me

I'm listening...

AntiNormal:

I'm listening...

that you accept the scriptures to be infallible and true

AntiNormal:

I'm listening...

that you accept the scriptures to be infallible and true

Ferisidowu:


that you accept the scriptures to be infallible and true

Why?
Because they're the word of God?

If I told you to accept scientific principles as infallible and true, would you?

AntiNormal:



Why?
Because they're the word of God?

If I told you to accept scientific principles as infallible and true, would you?

then why ask God WHY? since you don't believe he exists to you....

Ferisidowu:


then why ask God WHY? since you don't believe he exists to you....

First of all... Your comment is self-contradictory... If I don't believe that God exists, how can I ask Him anything?
Next... I didn't say I didn't believe in God... This thread was me asking why He lets certain things happen - see the man from my story - and not act in a way that would cause the least amount of pain and suffering...
Besides, you telling me to accept the Bible as infallible and true is just a sad attempt to prove your point... You want me to accept your source of evidence as absolutely true, without being able to prove how it's true...
Finally... You still didn't give me my definition of God according to the scriptures... I almost feel cheated...

Ferisidowu:

then why ask God WHY? since you don't believe he exists to you....

Wait a second... How am I supposed to ask God why? Am I supposed to call His 9Mobile line? *cue eye roll

AntiNormal:



First of all... Your comment is self-contradictory... If I don't believe that God exists, how can I ask Him anything?
Next... I didn't say I didn't believe in God... This thread was me asking why He lets certain things happen - see the man from my story - and not act in a way that would cause the least amount of pain and suffering...
Besides, you telling me to accept the Bible as infallible and true is just a sad attempt to prove your point... You want me to accept your source of evidence as absolutely true, without being able to prove how it's true...
Finally... You still didn't give me my definition of God according to the scriptures... I almost feel cheated...

oh sorry, but you are the one cheating yourself...

I believe you are talking about the Christian God though there's just one God.... but how do you know about this one God.... isn't it through The scriptures ...

I was only bringing out your hypocrisy ...

you claim to believe in a Christian God, you were even questioning him,

who told you that God rules the things you were questioning him about, (that he gives children) is it from the bible that you got to know.... ?

I spotting your hypocrisy, now asked if you believe in that the Bible infallible and true ... yet you couldn't answer . .....
yet you wanted to question the God of the Bible yet can't AFFIRM that the Bible is true..

young man if you don't take the Bible to be true and infallible, then your post is unnecessary.... if you admit the God gives children which you learnt from the bible, you talked about the law ..(which you learnt from the bible) yet you can't adorn that it's infallible. .. then you are an hypocrite...

hope you understand me...

Ferisidowu:



oh sorry, but you are the one cheating yourself...

I believe you are talking about the Christian God though there's just one God.... but how do you know about this one God.... isn't it through The scriptures ...

I was only bringing out your hypocrisy ...

you claim to believe in a Christian God, you were even questioning him,

who told you that God rules the things you were questioning him about, (that he gives children) is it from the bible that you got to know.... ?

I spotting your hypocrisy, now asked if you believe in that the Bible infallible and true ... yet you couldn't answer . .....
yet you wanted to question the God of the Bible yet can't AFFIRM that the Bible is true..

young man if you don't take the Bible to be true and infallible, then your post is unnecessary.... if you admit the God gives children which you learnt from the bible, you talked about the law ..(which you learnt from the bible) yet you can't adorn that it's infallible. .. then you are an hypocrite...

hope you understand me...

Once again, I'm not saying there is no God... I'm just saying I don't understand why He does, or in this case, doesn't do certain things...

So, are you saying that He doesn't rule everything?

Well, let me answer now... The Bible isn't infallible and parts of it aren't true...

Listen dude... I still believe in God... I just want to know why He lets things happen the way they do... That's all...
I want an answer that's reasonably sensible, not the normal Christian retorts like "don't question God" and "God's time is the best" and ish like that...
Maybe you didn't get that...
*tired sigh*...
If this is your response to my question, then you've failed...

You could have just said that you didn't know, and spared us an annoying argument...

It's okay not to know...
I don't know these things, and that's why I'm asking...
I feel like you're attacking me for not knowing because you think you know, and that's kinda oppressive... So stop, please...

AntiNormal:



And what's the flip side to this coin?

receiving answers and actually solidifying your faith. its ignorance that makes people think knowledge causes 'us' to derail and become atheist or 'whatever'. rather the right knowledge (and its application) causes us to grow (in Christ Jesus).

Fact is nobody knows the answer to your questions. I doubt even if God in all his glory could give you a sane reason.

sonofthunder:

receiving answers and actually solidifying your faith. its ignorance that makes people think knowledge causes 'us' to derail and become atheist or 'whatever'. rather the right knowledge (and its application) causes us to grow (in Christ Jesus).

Well said... �

pesty100:
Fact is nobody knows the answer to your questions. I doubt even if God in all his glory could give you a sane reason.

I suppose... Thank you for your candor...

AntiNormal:

Why would God allow that man to go through two decades of torture, with the very real possibility of screwing up and ending up in hell forever and ever and freaking ever, when He could have just given the man a child?...

God is not responsible for mans predicament . The enemy is responsible . When God intervene . We should rather give him Glory than questioning him . God power can’t work without mans faith . How long it took depends on how long the faith of the man took to mature to move God’s power . It took Abraham 90 years for him to believe God for miracle baby .
Secondly cases differ . Some other cases may have the delay based on other reasons.

petra1:


God is not responsible for mans predicament . The enemy is responsible . When God intervene . We should rather give him Glory than questioning him . God power can’t work without mans faith . How long it took depends on how long the faith of the man took to mature to move God’s power . It took Abraham 90 years for him to believe God for miracle baby .
Secondly cases differ . Some other cases may have the delay based on other reasons.

I was hoping someone would say that... How can you say God is not responsible? Is He not the master of the universe, the ruler of all?
Are you saying He did not know what the devil was doing to the man, or was it the case that He didn't want to do anything to stop it?
How much faith does God require? Isn't a mustard seed worth of faith good enough?
The second part of your comment is the only part I agree with, about cases being different...

petra1:


God is not responsible for mans predicament . The enemy is responsible . When God intervene . We should rather give him Glory than questioning him . God power can’t work without mans faith . How long it took depends on how long the faith of the man took to mature to move God’s power . It took Abraham 90 years for him to believe God for miracle baby .
Secondly cases differ . Some other cases may have the delay based on other reasons.

You know it bothers me when Christians say God isn't responsible for the evil in the world...
When it's bad, it's the enemy at work... When it's good, God deserves to be praised...
Do they take turns interfering with our lives?
My question is, isn't God omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient and omnibenevolent?
If so, why and how does the devil even have any space to operate?

AntiNormal:

You know it bothers me when Christians say God isn't responsible for the evil in the world...
When it's bad, it's the enemy at work... When it's good, God deserves to be praised...
Do they take turns interfering with our lives?
My question is, isn't God omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient and omnibenevolent?
If so, why and how does the devil even have any space to operate?

I think I really like you, call me when you decide to turn gay(really,no jokes...well,maybe a little joke,lol).
You remind me of myself.



Thing is, I haven't met anyone with a logical answer to those questions(once met a hardline christian who scoffed and told me that God isn't a being of "mere" logic). All you'd get is people screaming bible verses at you till they are blue in the face, and you'd get even more confused without even knowing what exactly you are confused about.

I believe the universe has a cause, I decided to call that cause God. Then watch christians confuse themselves.

petra1:

God is not responsible for mans predicament . The enemy is responsible.

I learnt three things from reading the book of job(well,maybe more than three things,but that's besides the point).


According to the story:

1. Satan can still approach God's presence(in heaven),quite contrary to the belief that God cannot behold evil. Well,the very epitome of evil,satan himself,kind of strutted into God's grand get-together party without so much as an invitation card, isn't that just badass?.

2. God can protect everyone from evil if he chooses, evidenced by satan accusing God of granting Job asylum behind a mobile wall of fire at all times. Even satan was quite furious at such blatant favouritism, and he made his dissatisfaction quite clear in the strongest terms possible.

3. God permits evil to befall people, as evidenced by the game of chess played between both parties,with poor Job as the unwilling pawn.
Even Job agreed that God was responsible for his misfortune.

EVarn:
I think I really like you, call me when you decide to turn gay(really,no jokes...well,maybe a little joke,lol).
You remind me of myself.



Thing is, I haven't met anyone with a logical answer to those questions(once met a hardline christian who scoffed and told me that God isn't a being of "mere" logic). All you'd get is people screaming bible verses at you till they are blue in the face, and you'd get even more confused without even knowing what exactly you are confused about.

I believe the universe has a cause, I decided to call that cause God. Then watch christians confuse themselves.

Yeah, it's not likely - the gay thing, I mean... Besides, you don't turn gay... You either are or you aren't... You can realize it later after living like you're hetero, but you can't turn gay... At least I don't think...
Back to the topic at hand... You know, I'm starting to think that there are no logical answers to these questions...
Yeah, I'm not pleased either when they start slinging Bible verses... Especially when they're off point and completely out of context... Sometimes, I think they quote the scriptures just because they can...

EVarn:
I learnt three things from reading the book of job(well,maybe more than three things,but that's besides the point).


According to the story:

1. Satan can still approach God's presence(in heaven),quite contrary to the belief that God cannot behold evil. Well,the very epitome of evil,satan himself,kind of strutted into God's grand get-together party without so much as an invitation card, isn't that just badass?.

2. God can protect everyone from evil if he chooses, evidenced by satan accusing God of granting Job asylum behind a mobile wall of fire at all times. Even satan was quite furious at such blatant favouritism, and he made his dissatisfaction quite clear in the strongest terms possible.

3. God permits evil to befall people, as evidenced by the game of chess played between both parties,with poor Job as the unwilling pawn.
Even Job agreed that God was responsible for his misfortune.

Would any Christians like to dispute these facts?
Any takers? Anyone?

AntiNormal:

Yeah, it's not likely - the gay thing, I mean... Besides, you don't turn gay... You either are or you aren't... You can realize it later after living like you're hetero, but you can't turn gay... At least I don't think...
Back to the topic at hand... You know, I'm starting to think that there are no logical answers to these questions...
Yeah, I'm not pleased either when they start slinging Bible verses... Especially when they're off point and completely out of context... Sometimes, I think they quote the scriptures just because they can...

To be candid, I really don't know how the gay thing works...at least,not entirely,but I think I am more open to such stuff than I was a year or two ago, so maybe one can "turn" gay?,or maybe I just one hell of a hormone ridden freak...


On the topic, you haven't seen half of it yet, some people can be so annoyingly vague in their answers that you begin to suspect that many people are conditioned to never ask questions.

AntiNormal:


I was hoping someone would say that... How can you say God is not responsible? Is He not the master of the universe, the ruler of all?

No . From the fall of Adam Satan became the god and the prince of the world system .

Luke 4:6-7
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

John 14:30
. . the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

That’s why God sent jesus to save through the gospel . But the enemy still try blocking people from believing in God

2 Corinthians 4:3-4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them..

God can only intervene when we allow him

EVarn:
I learnt three things from reading the book of job(well,maybe more than three things,but that's besides the point).


According to the story:

1. Satan can still approach God's presence(in heaven),quite contrary to the belief that God cannot behold evil. Well,the very epitome of evil,satan himself,kind of strutted into God's grand get-together party without so much as an invitation card, isn't that just badass?.

2. God can protect everyone from evil if he chooses, evidenced by satan accusing God of granting Job asylum behind a mobile wall of fire at all times. Even satan was quite furious at such blatant favouritism, and he made his dissatisfaction quite clear in the strongest terms possible.

3. God permits evil to befall people, as evidenced by the game of chess played between both parties,with poor Job as the unwilling pawn.
Even Job agreed that God was responsible for his misfortune.

That was over 6,000 years ago . Things had changed . Satan is an accuser of brethren . You may not understand the spiritual part

1 Corinthians 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

petra1:


That was over 6,000 years ago . Things had changed . Satan is an accuser of brethren . You may not understand the spiritual part

1 Corinthians 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Yeah right, this scripture never gets old.