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See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by Abdulgaffar22: 11:40pm On Jan 18, 2018
Before you consider the following premises of argument explained below, please bear in mind that On the authority of Holy Qur'an;
1. Muslims believe in Jesus as a mighty prophet of God (Qur'an19:30).
2. Muslims believe in Jesus miraculous birth (Qur'an21:91)
3. Muslims believe in the all the miracles performed by Jesus during his earthly ministry (Qur'an5:110)
4. Muslims believe in Jesus ascension to heaven (Qur'an4:158)
5. Muslims believe in Jesus'2nd coming toward the end of the world (Qur'an43:57-61)
You may write anything you like to rubbish this thread. BUT PLEASE JUST MAKE SURE YOU PINPOINT WHICH OF THE PREMISES LISTED BELOW IS WRONG AND KINDLY STATE THE REASON.

Premise 1: As part of our concept about God; God is naturally known to ALWAYS SPEAK THE TRUTH just like God is naturally known to ALWAYS BLESS AN INNOCENT AND RIGHTEOUS SOUL.
Premise 2: Therefore, for any reason whatsoever, it is IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO SPEAK A LIE just like it is IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO CURSE AN INNOCENT AND RIGHTEOUS SOUL.
Premise 3: Consequently, if there is a religious faith which proclaims that GOD MUST SPEAK A LIE at a particular period of time in order to execute a program designed by God Himself, then that religious faith must be false.
Premise 4: Similarly, if there is religious faith which proclaims that GOD MUST CURSE AN INNOCENT AND RIGHTEOUS SOUL at a particular period of time in order to execute a program designed by God Himself, then that religious faith must also be false.
Premise 5: But Christianity is a religious faith which proclaim that AN INNOCENT AND RIGHTEOUS SOUL (i:e Jesus Christ) MUST BE PUT UNDER THE CURSE OF GOD ( see Deuteronomy 21:23, Galatians 3:13) on the cross at Calvary before God can execute His program designed to forgive and save the sinners.
Premise 6: Therefore, Christianity must be false.
If Jesus has to die by stoning to death, then I
may not have problem with that. But it is Bible
itself that said Jesus was CURSED by God due to
his death on the cross(Galatians 3:13). My point
is that God of mercy would never allow an
innocent and righteous Soul ( let alone His
beloved prophet) to fall under His curse for any
reason whatsoever.This is the reason why Jesus
must escape death on the cross and Quran
4:157-158 confirm this fact. In otherword,
God may allow an innocent and righteous soul to suffer (i:e TO BE PHYSICALLY CONDEMNED) for one reason or the other. But God would never "curse" ( i:e SPIRITUALLY CONDEMN) an innocent and righteous soul for any reason whatsover. Therefore, there is need for God to send another prophet to remove this negative and bad picture of God from the minds of the general humanity. This is one of the many reasons why Qur’an was revealed by God to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). In the Holy Qur’an, God removed this negative and bad impression from the minds of the people by declaring that, in a miraculous way, Jesus escaped death on the cross (Qur’an 4:157-158). In this way, the "curse of God" associated with any one that is crucified and died on a cross according to the Jewish law (Galatians 3:13, Deuteronomy 21:23) was removed from the head of our beloved and innocent prophet called Jesus Christ (peace be upon him). This is exactly in line with the prayer of Jesus to God in the garden of Gethsemane when he asked for this “cup of condemnation” to be taken away from him in THREE consecutive times as stated clearly in Matthew 26:36-44.ln fact, Bible confirmed that this very prayer of Jesus was answered by God :During the day of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission (Hebrew 5:7NIV).If this prayer of Jesus was only heard but not answered by God as some Christians use to claim, then the phrase “because of his reverent submission” in the verse quoted above would no longer have any reasonable meaning. In fact, the King James Version of the Bible ends this verse with “and was heard in that he feared (Hebrew 5:7KJV).Of course, what Jesus feared was death on the cross. Hence, if Jesus was heard in that he feared, this implies that he escaped death on the cross. Therefore, an illogical and contradictory concept of "a merciful God who could not see any other way of forgiving those who sincerely believe in Him except to curse an innocent and righteous soul on the cross at Calvary" is completely far away from the truth.
The fact that the Holy Qur’an is the only religious book on earth that remove this negative and bad impression about God from the minds of the general humanity is a very great indicator that the book could never have come from no other person except God Himself.

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Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by spartan117(m): 12:06am On Jan 19, 2018
Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior Today and be saved. There is no other way to God except through Jesus. Tomorrow might be too late hear his voice today

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Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by Abdulgaffar22: 12:25pm On Feb 05, 2018
God Almighty declare as follows: I, EVEN I, AM THE LORD, AND APART FROM ME THERE IS NO SAVIOR(Isaiah 43:11). Are you saying Jesus is God by asking me to accept Jesus as my Lord and savior? If you say yes, then what do you have to say about John 20:17 which reported Jesus to have said; I AM ASCENDING UNTO MY FATHER AND YOUR FATHER AND TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD. Can God have another God? Have you now seen that Christianity is NOT COHERENT?

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Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by GoodMuyis(m): 2:24pm On Feb 05, 2018
What about jihad commanded by Prophet Mohammed but Jesus otherwise

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Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by godisgood200: 8:47pm On Feb 05, 2018
Abdulgaffar22:
God Almighty declare as follows: I, EVEN I, AM THE LORD, AND APART FROM ME THERE IS NO SAVIOR(Isaiah 43:11). Are you saying Jesus is God by asking me to accept Jesus as my Lord and savior? If you say yes, then what do you have to say about John 20:17 which reported Jesus to have said; I AM ASCENDING UNTO MY FATHER AND YOUR FATHER AND TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD. Can God have another God? Have you now seen that Christianity is NOT COHERENT?
And the Almight who made that declaration in Isaiah is allah right?

Is it that same allah who called Immanuel(Jesus) Almighty God in that same Isaiah?

Isaiah 9:6
A child is born to us! A son is given to us! And he will be our ruler. He will be called, “Wonderful Counselor,” “Mighty God,” “Eternal Father,” “Prince of Peace.”

Jesus is an eternal Father, Jesus o, an eternal Father, Prince of Peace, Mighty God.

Oga, carry this your talk go islamic section were only doomies dey.

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Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by GoodMuyis(m): 10:35pm On Feb 05, 2018
godisgood200:

And the Almight who made that declaration in Isaiah is allah right?

Is it that same allah who called Immanuel(Jesus) Almighty God in that same Isaiah?

Isaiah 9:6
A child is born to us! A son is given to us! And he will be our ruler. He will be called, “Wonderful Counselor,” “Mighty God,” “Eternal Father,” “Prince of Peace.”

Jesus is an eternal Father, Jesus o, an eternal Father, Prince of Peace, Mighty God.

Oga, carry this your talk go islamic section were only doomies dey.

The man don run nothing to defend jihad
Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by godisgood200: 10:44pm On Feb 05, 2018
GoodMuyis:


The man don run nothing to defend jihad
I know he will run.
Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by Originakalokalo(m): 8:38am On Feb 06, 2018
We dont serve the same God.

The Devil allowed you guys to believe somethings about Jesus,


He then blind your eyes from believing that Main Part that will bring salvation to you.


This is his handwork. It is clear.

Same way he will allow you to carry your Bible everywhere you go,

And will distract you from reading it.

Same way he will not stop you from going to church, 10km from your house,

But will distract you from getting saved there.


@ OP, that part of Jesus that you believe cannot save you.

If you don't acknowledge him as A SAVIOUR,

who come to replace you in death,

You can't live.



The Israelites before JESUS would put their hands on the animal,

Meaning, they transfer their guilt to the animal who died in their place...

Do you think that God requested for animals because he was hungry?

He created them all. He gets whatever he wants.

The Principle is, a guiltless someone has to die IN YOUR PLACE.

Else, you die for your sins.

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Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by Abdulgaffar22: 6:47pm On Feb 06, 2018
The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him. "But if a wicked man turns away from all the sins he has committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will not die. None of the offenses he has committed will be remembered against him. Because of the righteous things he has done, he will live( Ezekiel 18:20-22)

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Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by Originakalokalo(m): 9:16pm On Feb 06, 2018
Abdulgaffar22:
The soul who sins is the one who will die. The
son will not share the guilt of the father, nor
will the father share the guilt of the son. The
righteousness of the righteous man will be
credited to him, and the wickedness of the
wicked will be charged against him.
"But if a wicked man turns away from all the
sins he has committed and keeps all my
decrees and does what is just and right, he will
surely live; he will not die.
None of the offenses he has committed will be
remembered against him. Because of the
righteous things he has done, he will live( Ezekiel 18:20-22)


This was before JESUS. They sacrificed animals to cover their sins

No more animal sacrifice.

JESUS' blood is the attonement for sins.
Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by Gbajumon: 11:06pm On Feb 06, 2018
Abdulgaffar22:
Before you consider the following premises of argument explained below, please bear in mind that On the authority of Holy Qur'an;
1. Muslims believe in Jesus as a mighty prophet of God (Qur'an19:30).
2. Muslims believe in Jesus miraculous birth (Qur'an21:91)
3. Muslims believe in the all the miracles performed by Jesus during his earthly ministry (Qur'an5:110)
4. Muslims believe in Jesus ascension to heaven (Qur'an4:158)
5. Muslims believe in Jesus'2nd coming toward the end of the world (Qur'an43:57-61)
You may write anything you like to rubbish this thread. BUT PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU PINPOINT WHICH OF THE PREMISES LISTED BELOW IS WRONG AND KINDLY STATE THE REASON.

Premise 1: As part of our concept about God; God is naturally known to ALWAYS SPEAK THE TRUTH just like God is naturally known to ALWAYS BLESS AN INNOCENT AND RIGHTEOUS SOUL.
Premise 2: Therefore, for any reason whatsoever, it is IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO SPEAK A LIE just like it is IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO CURSE AN INNOCENT AND RIGHTEOUS SOUL.
Premise 3: Consequently, if there is a religious faith which proclaims that GOD MUST SPEAK A LIE at a particular period of time in order to execute a program designed by God Himself, then that religious faith must be false.
Premise 4: Similarly, if there is religious faith which proclaims that GOD MUST CURSE AN INNOCENT AND RIGHTEOUS SOUL at a particular period of time in order to execute a program designed by God Himself, then that religious faith must also be false.
Premise 5: But Christianity is a religious faith which proclaim that AN INNOCENT AND RIGHTEOUS SOUL (i:e Jesus Christ) MUST BE PUT UNDER THE CURSE OF GOD ( see Deuteronomy 21:23, Galatians 3:13) on the cross at Calvary before God can execute His program designed to forgive and save the sinners.
Premise 6: Therefore, Christianity must be false.

God may allow an innocent and righteous soul to suffer (i:e TO BE PHYSICALLY CONDEMNED) for one reason or the other. But God would never "curse" ( i:e SPIRITUALLY CONDEMN) an innocent and righteous soul for any reason whatsoever. Therefore, there is need for God to send another prophet to remove this negative and bad picture of God from the minds of the general humanity. This is one of the many reasons why Qur’an was revealed by God to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). In the Holy Qur’an, God removed this negative and bad impression from the minds of the people by declaring that, in a miraculous way, Jesus escaped death on the cross (Qur’an 4:157-158). In this way, the "curse of God" associated with any one that is crucified and died on a cross according to the Jewish law (Galatians 3:13, Deuteronomy 21:23) was removed from the head of our beloved and innocent prophet called Jesus Christ (peace be upon him). This is exactly in line with the prayer of Jesus to God in the garden of Gethsemane when he asked for this “cup of condemnation” to be taken away from him in THREE consecutive times as stated clearly in Matthew 26:36-44.ln fact, Bible confirmed that this very prayer of Jesus was answered by God :During the day of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission (Hebrew 5:7NIV).If this prayer of Jesus was only heard but not answered by God as some Christians use to claim, then the phrase “because of his reverent submission” in the verse quoted above would no longer have any reasonable meaning. In fact, the King James Version of the Bible ends this verse with “and was heard in that he feared (Hebrew 5:7KJV).Of course, what Jesus feared was death on the cross. Hence, if Jesus was heard in that he feared, this implies that he escaped death on the cross. Therefore, an illogical and contradictory concept of "a merciful God who could not see any other way of forgiving those who sincerely believe in Him except to curse an innocent and righteous soul on the cross at Calvary" is completely far away from the truth.
The fact that the Holy Qur’an is the only religious book on earth that remove this negative and bad impression about God from the minds of the general humanity is a very great indicator that the book could never have come from no other person except God Himself.


Oga sir, pls what is the meaning of that half moon and stars symbol placed on all mosques?

And,

Why do Moslems always face directly east, sunrise direction, when praying.

And,

Why do Moslems always touch the ground with their head and both hands when praying?

If you answer these questions, I will show you something beautiful.
Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by Abdulgaffar22: 2:55am On Feb 07, 2018
where is it stated that the sins of the old testament believers were only cover? God said in the book of Ezekiel qouted above: NONE OF THE OFFENCES HE COMMITED WILL BE REMEMBERED AGAINST HIM. Also in Leviticus 16:30,God declare : THEN BEFORE THE LORD YOU WILL BE CLEAN FROM ALL YOUR SINS. I am asking you again :WHERE IS IT STATED THAT SINS OF THE OLD TESTAMENT BELIEVERS WERE ONLY COVER AND NOT COMPLETELY FORGIVEN? IF GOD CAN FORGIVE THE SINS OF CHILDREN OF ADAM BEFORE THE BIRTH OF JESUS, THEN WHY MUST GOD CURSE INNOCENT JESUS ON THE CROSS IN ORDER TO FORGIVE THE SAME CHILDREN OF ADAM? BEFORE THE ADVENT OF CHRISTIANITY, DID ANYBODY BELIEVE THAT GOD CAN CURSE AN INNOCENT AND RIGHTEOUS SOUL LET ALONE HIS BELOVED PROPHET? A PROPHET OF GOD UNDER THE CURSE OF GOD! HONESTLY, CHRISTIANITY IS IRRATIONAL
Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by Abdulgaffar22: 2:58am On Feb 07, 2018
If you believe that Muslims worship the sun by facing east, then we should not be able to worship at night when the sun has set in the west. Pls dont distract our attention from the main topic. I ask you to PIN POINT WHICH OF THE FOLLOWING PREMISES OF ARGUMENT CITED ABOVE IS WRONG AND KINDLY STATE THE REASON

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Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by Gbajumon: 7:43am On Feb 07, 2018
Abdulgaffar22:
If you believe that Muslims worship the sun by facing east, then we should not be able to worship at night when the sun has set in the west. Pls dont distract our attention from the main topic. I ask you to PIN POINT WHICH OF THE FOLLOWING PREMISES OF ARGUMENT CITED ABOVE IS WRONG AND KINDLY STATE THE REASON

Your initial post is not a problem for me.
Pls help me out by answering those questions.
Here is more:

What is the cause of prophet Mohammed's death. Pls narrate how it happened.

Pls explain Surah 46:9 to a non believer.

What are the names of Allah as recorded in the qoran.
Thanks.
Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by Abdulgaffar22: 1:40pm On Feb 07, 2018
Half moon and star symbol placed on the mosques is not a commandment from the Quran or Hadith. But I think earlier muslims took it as islamic symbol because we use lunar calendar which is based on the changing position of moon. Muslims used to face Kaabah,( the house of God in Makkah while praying)Not the sun. The practice of facing the house of God while praying can also be found in 1st Kings 8:22-61, Daniel 6:10, Psalm 5:7, 138:2, Jonah 2:4,7, 2Chronicles 6:38, Exodus 25:8 and 2 Samuel 7:5,13. The muslim act of praying by putting their face on the ground is found in Nehemiah 8:4-6

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Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by ShadowFighter: 2:47pm On Feb 07, 2018
I wanted to say something, but let me just keep quite.

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Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by gabe: 6:20pm On Feb 07, 2018
Islam is a failed attempted upgrade on Christianity, which is also an attempted upgrade on Judaism. All are based on fables. The most annoying part is the Islam of over 1000 years ago is more advanced than current day Islam. Then, there where Islamic poets, mathematicians, scientists and artists. Now all we have are terrorists struggling to kill themselves and other innocent people first. The Islam of nowadays is so primitive and backward even Mohammed would be ashamed of their lack of progress if he could come back and see the rubbish they are peddling.

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Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by budaatum: 6:46pm On Feb 07, 2018
I like your responses. Keep it up.

Abdulgaffar22:
Half moon and star symbol placed on the mosques is not a commandment from the Quran or Hadith. But I think earlier muslims took it as islamic symbol because we use lunar calendar which is based on the changing position of moon. Muslims used to face Kaabah,( the house of God in Makkah while praying)Not the sun. The practice of facing the house of God while praying can also be found in 1st Kings 8:22-61, Daniel 6:10, Psalm 5:7, 138:2, Jonah 2:4,7, 2Chronicles 6:38, Exodus 25:8 and 2 Samuel 7:5,13. The muslim act of praying by putting their face on the ground is found in Nehemiah 8:4-6
Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by butterflyl1on: 6:58pm On Feb 07, 2018
Abdulgaffar22:
Half moon and star symbol placed on the mosques is not a commandment from the Quran or Hadith. But I think earlier muslims took it as islamic symbol because we use lunar calendar which is based on the changing position of moon. Muslims used to face Kaabah,( the house of God in Makkah while praying)Not the sun. The practice of facing the house of God while praying can also be found in 1st Kings 8:22-61, Daniel 6:10, Psalm 5:7, 138:2, Jonah 2:4,7, 2Chronicles 6:38, Exodus 25:8 and 2 Samuel 7:5,13. The muslim act of praying by putting their face on the ground is found in Nehemiah 8:4-6

The same bible you claim was corrupted is what you are referring to in order to back up Islam. Why not quite directly from your Quran to back up your claims? Why use the bible?

All the old testament references you have made are also the old testaments which spoke about Jesus very clearly and nowhere was Mohammad mentioned.

However you say the injil was corrupted yet it was the same injil Islam claims Mohammad was promised to the world.

Guy go and dig up your meds where you mistakenly buried them. You need them right about now.

Islam can never and will never be considered above Jesus or Christianity. Even your actions all over the world which has placed the whole world on terror Alert against Islamists paint the true picture for you.

God is good and God is not Allah.

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Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by Abdulgaffar22: 9:10pm On Feb 07, 2018
'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the
law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of
the scribes has handled it falsely (Jeremiah 8:cool. Have you now seen that it is Bible itself that confess its own corruption. But there are still some truth that God delibrately allowed to be kept inside the Bible. The reason why God allowed the bible to be corrupted is that it is not the final revelation from God. But being the last revelation from God, Quran cannot suffer such corruption because it was God Himself that promise to protect it:" It was We who has revealed the the reminder and We will surely guard it against corruption(Quran 15:9)". Please show me any biblical verse where God promise to protect the whole Bible. In fact, the word Bible is not found inside the bible. This implies that selection and compilation of books in the bible is not commission by God .This explain the reason why catholic bible is seven books more than the protestant bible
Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by 1Sharon(f): 9:12pm On Feb 07, 2018
Mohammad was a paedophile (police be upon him)

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Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by Gbajumon: 8:07pm On Feb 08, 2018
Abdulgaffar22:
Half moon and star symbol placed on the mosques is not a commandment from the Quran or Hadith. But I think earlier muslims took it as islamic symbol because we use lunar calendar which is based on the changing position of moon. Muslims used to face Kaabah,( the house of God in Makkah while praying)Not the sun. The practice of facing the house of God while praying can also be found in 1st Kings 8:22-61, Daniel 6:10, Psalm 5:7, 138:2, Jonah 2:4,7, 2Chronicles 6:38, Exodus 25:8 and 2 Samuel 7:5,13. The muslim act of praying by putting their face on the ground is found in Nehemiah 8:4-6

So if you had to preach to a non believer who is also a non christian, about Islam, you would refer them to the Bible the Holly book of Christians?

You would surely be well understood, even before you finish your sermon.
Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by Desyner: 8:40pm On Feb 08, 2018
Jesus purpose on earth was well documented in the old testament even before He came. OP should stop saying Jesus was cursed like God just choose a random character to die for our sins.
Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by Nobody: 9:37pm On Feb 08, 2018
This belongs in Islam for Muslims. The mods should move it there now and let you guys pat yourselves on each other's back while revelling in your supreme understanding of the universe.

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Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by Abdulgaffar22: 12:09pm On Feb 09, 2018
If Jesus has to die by stoning to death, then I may not have problem with that. But it is Bible itself that said Jesus was CURSED by God due to his death on the cross(Galatians 3:13). My point is that God of mercy would never allow an innocent and righteous Soul ( let alone His beloved prophet) to fall under His curse for any reason whatsoever.This is the reason why Jesus must escape death on the cross and Quran 4:157-158 confirm this fact

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Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by true2god: 2:06pm On Feb 09, 2018
Abdulgaffar22:
'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the
law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of
the scribes has handled it falsely (Jeremiah 8:cool. Have you now seen that it is Bible itself that confess its own corruption. But there are still some truth that God delibrately allowed to be kept inside the Bible. The reason why God allowed the bible to be corrupted is that it is not the final revelation from God. But being the last revelation from God, Quran cannot suffer such corruption because it was God Himself that promise to protect it:" It was We who has revealed the the reminder and We will surely guard it against corruption(Quran 15:9)". Please show me any biblical verse where God promise to protect the whole Bible. In fact, the word Bible is not found inside the bible. This implies that selection and compilation of books in the bible is not commission by God .This explain the reason why catholic bible is seven books more than the protestant bible




That's the most important Islamic Bible verse Muslims apologist have always used to discredit the Bible even when allahh had said he will protect his words, the Torah and the injil inclusive. If the Bible is corrupt, as Muslims are taught to belief, then allahh is not wise and all-knowing as Qur'an falsely claimed. There is nowhere in the Quran that allahh said the torah and the injil had been corrupted. Ok, now let's look at what the hadith say about your Qur'an which was not compiled by Mohammed, but the product of the third al-khalifa nurudeen, the third rightly guided khalifa, Uthman ibn Affan. See hadith below;

Sahih bukhari: Volume 4, Book 52, Number 69 :
Narrated by Anas bin Malik
For thirty days Allah's Apostle invoked Allah to curse those who had killed the companions of Bir-Mauna; he invoked evil upon the tribes of Ral, Dhakwan, and Usaiya who disobeyed Allah and His Apostle. There was reveled about those who were killed at Bir-Mauna a Quranic Verse we used to recite, but it was cancelled later on. The Verse was: "Inform our people that we have met our Lord. He is pleased with us and He has made us pleased".

Where is this verse in the Quran? Uthman, the author of the current Quran, burnt it. See another verse cancelled in the Quran:

Sahih bukhari Volume 3, Book 31, Number 169 :
Narrated by Tawus
Ibn 'Abbas said, "Allah's Apostle set out from Medina to Mecca and he fasted till he reached 'Usfan, where he asked for water and raised his hand to let the people see him, and then broke the fast, and did not fast after that till he reached Mecca, and that happened in Ramadan." Ibn 'Abbas used to say, "Allah's Apostle (sometimes) fasted and (sometimes) did not fast during the journeys so whoever wished to fast could fast, and whoever wished not to fast, could do so."

Sahih bukhari Volume 3, Book 31, Number 170 :
Narrated by Nafi
Ibn 'Umar recited the verse: "They had a choice either to fast or to feed a poor person for every day, and said that the order of this Verse was cancelled.

So how many more Qur'anic verses do you know that had been cancelled? Why did Uthman delete them from his Quran? If a verse in the Quran is cancelled, is the Quran still a complete words of allahh? Muslims, even at the time of Mohammed are illiterates hence the confusion and grammatical errors and structures in the Quran. The Quran makes no common sense to any reasonable man hence Muslims, to solve the problems, decided to rather commit it into memory rather than reading it as a scholarly text.

Even your prophet admit that Muslim nations are filled with illiterates: see hadith below:

Sahih bukahri Volume 3, Book 31, Number 137 :
Narrated by Ibn 'Umar
The Prophet said, "We are an illiterate nation; we neither write, nor know accounts. The month is like this and this, i.e. sometimes of 29 days and sometimes of thirty days."

If Mohammed himself admitted that Muslims are illiterates while he called the Jews and the Christians the people of the book (learned people), why are Muslims still following an illiterate man with an illiterate mentality?

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Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by Emusan(m): 2:23pm On Feb 09, 2018
Abdulgaffar22:
The soul who sins is the one who will die. The
son will not share the guilt of the father, nor
will the father share the guilt of the son. The
righteousness of the righteous man will be
credited to him, and the wickedness of the
wicked will be charged against him.
"But if a wicked man turns away from all the
sins he has committed and keeps all my
decrees and does what is just and right, he will
surely live; he will not die.
None of the offenses he has committed will be
remembered against him. Because of the
righteous things he has done, he will live( Ezekiel 18:20-22)

But when your Isa sinned against the Jews and they want to kill him, Allah deceived them by allowing an innocent soul to be killed in place of your Isa.

can't you see the contradiction?
Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by Abdulgaffar22: 3:24pm On Feb 09, 2018
It was Judas who was killed on the cross; not an innocent soul. The Judas really deserved that curse because he was the one who made an attempt to betray Jesus his own master. It was the resemblance of Jesus that was put on Judas' face at the point of kissing Jesus and the troop of army mistook Judas for Jesus. This is the reason why there is confusion in the Bible regarding how Judas ends his life. The book of Matthew 27:5 reports that Judas hung himself while the book of Acts 1:18 narrates that he fell from a height and his bowel burst open. Therefore there is no any contradiction regarding how our beloved prophet Jesus(peace be upon him) escaped death on the cross.
Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by Nobody: 7:36pm On Feb 09, 2018
Abdulgaffar22:
It was Judas who was killed on the cross; not an innocent soul. The Judas really deserved that curse because he was the one who made an attempt to betray Jesus his own master. It was the resemblance of Jesus that was put on Judas' face at the point of kissing Jesus and the troop of army mistook Judas for Jesus. This is the reason why there is confusion in the Bible regarding how Judas ends his life. The book of Matthew 27:5 reports that Judas hung himself while the book of Acts 1:18 narrates that he fell from a height and his bowel burst open. Therefore there is no any contradiction regarding how our beloved prophet Jesus(peace be upon him) escaped death on the cross.

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Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by Abdulgaffar22: 7:47pm On Feb 09, 2018
Christians are programmed to believe that THE WHOLE of the Bible is divine word of God: yet Paul wrote extensively and gave judgments on the issue of marriage and divorce without being inspired by God- " But to the rest, I (PAUL), NOT THE LORD, say: If any brother has a wife who does not believe, and she is willing to live with him, let him not divorce her...... Now concerning virgins, I HAVE NO COMMANDMENT FROM THE LORD, yet I give judgment as one whom the Lord in His mercy has made trustworthy.(1st Corinthians 7:12-25) You see here how Paul is saying that he is using his best personal judgement,and that what he was writing is not directly from God. Why would God “inspire” Paul to say that his words were NOT from Him? Have you now seen that Bible is a mixture of word of God and word of men? It is not stated in any verse that EVERY WORD of the Bible is word of God. In fact, the author of the book of Luke wrote as follows: “IT SEEMED GOOD TO ME ALSO, having had perfect understanding of all things from the beginning, to write to you an orderly account, most excellent Theophilus (Luke 1:3)”. You can see again that St Luke wrote his Gospel not because he was inspired by God but because it seemed good to him to write such an account due to his thought of having a sound knowledge on the matter. In fact, he wrote his Gospel not to the general humanity (like you and I) but to one specific influential person he addressed as "most excellent Theophilus" as clearly seen in the verse cited above. The only verse often used by Christians to prove that every word of the Bible is word of God is word of Paul in 2nd Timothy 3:16 which says “All scripture is given by inspiration of God”. But how can we believe that the term “All scripture” used by Paul refers to the entire Bible especially when the author of this very verse confessed that he wrote some things which were not actually inspired by God? Besides, at the time this verse was written by Paul, most of the New Testament books were yet to be penned down talk less of putting them together; therefore there is no any reason to believe that Paul has the other books of New Testament in mind when he was writing; “All scripture is given by inspiration of God". Even if we assume that this statement written by Paul refers to the entire Bible, there is still need for external evidence to prove that this very verse written by Paul is also divinely inspired by God. The fact that a friend of yours simply tell you “I AM NOT LYING" is not enough to prove that he has actually spoken the truth about the matter he was telling you. What if the statement “I AM NOT LYING” is another lie? Of course, this principle also applies to 2nd Timothy 3:16, 2nd peter 1:21 and any other verses used by Christians to claim divine origin for the entire Bible. The fact that these verses declare that the Bible writers were inspired by God and guided by the holy spirit are not enough to prove that the entire Bible is word of God because these verses themselves also require their own external evidence to prove their divinity; just like the statement “I AM NOT LYING” require its own external evidence to prove that this very statement itself is not another lie on its own.( Hope you have really gotten my point.) The only exception to this rule is when we have a verse COMING DIRECTLY from God's mouth. This kind of verse where God would be speaking to us directly using the first person pronouns like " I, ME,MY, WE, US etc" does not require any external evidence to establish its divine origin because God of truth would never allow a deliberate liar to impersonate Him reasonably for a long time ( Jeremiah 28:1-17, Psalm 101:7, Deuteronomy 18:20) just like a man of truth would never allow his friend-talk less of his enemy-to impersonate him. Therefore, the statements like "All scripture is given by inspiration of God (2nd Timothy 3:16)", “For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they moved by the holy spirit (2nd Peter 1:21)” and the likes cannot be used to establish the divine origin for all the books in the Bible because 1. These verses are not coming directly from God's mouth. 2. These verses are not specific enough for anyone to conclude that they refer exclusively to the entire Bible. However, such statements like " All scriptures in this Bible is given by inspiration from Me”. These holy men were moved by My spirit to speak what is written inside this Bible” and the likes can be used to establish divine origin for all the books in the Bible because they are sufficient to prove their divine origin. However, such statements coming directly from God’s mouth and at the same time establishing the divine origin for all the books in the Bible is nowhere to be found inside the Bible. Even the word “BIBLE” cannot be found within the Bible; talk less of a verse coming directly from God’s mouth which would establish the divine origin for all the books in the Bible. Therefore, Bible still maintains its identity as being the word of God mixed together with the word of men; there are some verses which came directly from God’s mouth (like “If My people, who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sins and will heal their land(2 Chronicles 7:14)” and yet there are some verses which came directly from men( like the word of Paul and St Luke quoted at the beginning) . Among those verses in the Bible which came directly from God's mouth, there is none that establish divine origin for all the books in the Bible. That is, statements like “This Bible was inspired by Me or these people were moved by My spirit to write down all the books in the Bible" are nowhere to be found inside the Bible. The reason why such a verse is important and necessary to be present in the Bible is that, unlike Qur’an which is a single book, Bible is not a single book but a collection of books written by different authors at different times. Therefore, it is either each of every book in the Bible contains its own evidence for its divine origin or there is a verse uniting all the books in the Bible together as a single entity called Bible and then establishing divine origin for the whole of such Bible. However, not all the books in the Bible contain such verses coming directly from God’s mouth. Again, there is no a single verse in the Bible uniting all the books in the Bible together as an entity called Bible( i:e the word “Bible” is not found inside the Bible) talk less of a direct verse from God’s mouth that would establish divine origin for the whole of the Bible. This simply shows that selection and compilation of all the books in the Bible was not something commissioned by God Almighty. Therefore, the reason why Catholic Bible contains seven more books than the Protestant Bible is now clear to us. But does the Qur’an suffer similar problem? Certainly not! Beside the fact that Qur’an unite all its part together by making reference to its self as an entity called Qur’an (i:e the word “Qur’an” is found inside the Qur’an) in more than seventy places (in places like Qur’an 17:88, 10:37, 38:1, 47:24, 36:2, 50:1, 59:21 etc); there are also many verses coming directly from God’s mouth which establish the divine origin for the whole of the Qur’an. Examples of such verses are as follows: This is the revelation sent down from the Lord of the worlds. If he (Muhammad-pbuh) had forged some of the sayings concerning Us, We surely should have seized him by his right hand. And then We certainly should have cut off his life artery (Qur’an 69:43-46).
“O children of Israel! Remember My favor which I bestowed upon you, and fulfill your covenant with Me as I fulfill My covenant with you, and fear none but Me. And believe in what I have sent down ( i:e this Qur’an) confirming that which is with you, and be not the first to reject it, nor sell My verses for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone(Qur’an 2:40-41).
We have not sent down the Qur’an unto you (O Muhammad-pbuh) to cause you distress. But only as a reminder to those who fear God. A revelation from Him who created the earth and the high heavens (Qur’an 20:2-3).
You can see that all the first person pronouns like “Us, We, MY, I, Me” in all the verses of Qur’an quoted above can never be referred CONTEXTUALLY to any other person except God. . Other examples of similar verses can be found in Qur’an 15:9, 12:2-3, 21:10.50, 35:31-32, 17:105-106 16:101-103, 6:92 etc. However, example of such verses “coming directly from God’s mouth which would establish divine origin for the WHOLE of the Bible” cannot be found inside the Bible.

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Re: See The Simple Reason Why You Must Have Preference For Islam Over Christianity by true2god: 8:39pm On Feb 09, 2018
Abdulgaffar22:
Christians are programmed to believe that THE WHOLE of the Bible is divine word of God: yet Paul wrote extensively and gave judgments on the issue of marriage and divorce without being inspired by God- " But to the rest, I (PAUL), NOT THE LORD, say: If any brother has a wife who does not believe, and she is willing to live with him, let him not divorce her...... Now concerning virgins, I HAVE NO COMMANDMENT FROM THE LORD, yet I give judgment as one whom the Lord in His mercy has made trustworthy.(1st Corinthians 7:12-25) You see here how Paul is saying that he is using his best personal judgement,and that what he was writing is not directly from God. Why would God “inspire” Paul to say that his words were NOT from Him? Have you now seen that Bible is a mixture of word of God and word of men? It is not stated in any verse that EVERY WORD of the Bible is word of God. In fact, the author of the book of Luke wrote as follows: “IT SEEMED GOOD TO ME ALSO, having had perfect understanding of all things from the beginning, to write to you an orderly account, most excellent Theophilus (Luke 1:3)”. You can see again that St Luke wrote his Gospel not because he was inspired by God but because it seemed good to him to write such an account due to his thought of having a sound knowledge on the matter. In fact, he wrote his Gospel not to the general humanity (like you and I) but to one specific influential person he addressed as "most excellent Theophilus" as clearly seen in the verse cited above. The only verse often used by Christians to prove that every word of the Bible is word of God is word of Paul in 2nd Timothy 3:16 which says “All scripture is given by inspiration of God”. But how can we believe that the term “All scripture” used by Paul refers to the entire Bible especially when the author of this very verse confessed that he wrote some things which were not actually inspired by God? Besides, at the time this verse was written by Paul, most of the New Testament books were yet to be penned down talk less of putting them together; therefore there is no any reason to believe that Paul has the other books of New Testament in mind when he was writing; “All scripture is given by inspiration of God". Even if we assume that this statement written by Paul refers to the entire Bible, there is still need for external evidence to prove that this very verse written by Paul is also divinely inspired by God. The fact that a friend of yours simply tell you “I AM NOT LYING" is not enough to prove that he has actually spoken the truth about the matter he was telling you. What if the statement “I AM NOT LYING” is another lie? Of course, this principle also applies to 2nd Timothy 3:16, 2nd peter 1:21 and any other verses used by Christians to claim divine origin for the entire Bible. The fact that these verses declare that the Bible writers were inspired by God and guided by the holy spirit are not enough to prove that the entire Bible is word of God because these verses themselves also require their own external evidence to prove their divinity; just like the statement “I AM NOT LYING” require its own external evidence to prove that this very statement itself is not another lie on its own.( Hope you have really gotten my point.) The only exception to this rule is when we have a verse COMING DIRECTLY from God's mouth. This kind of verse where God would be speaking to us directly using the first person pronouns like " I, ME,MY, WE, US etc" does not require any external evidence to establish its divine origin because God of truth would never allow a deliberate liar to impersonate Him reasonably for a long time ( Jeremiah 28:1-17, Psalm 101:7, Deuteronomy 18:20) just like a man of truth would never allow his friend-talk less of his enemy-to impersonate him. Therefore, the statements like "All scripture is given by inspiration of God (2nd Timothy 3:16)", “For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they moved by the holy spirit (2nd Peter 1:21)” and the likes cannot be used to establish the divine origin for all the books in the Bible because 1. These verses are not coming directly from God's mouth. 2. These verses are not specific enough for anyone to conclude that they refer exclusively to the entire Bible. However, such statements like " All scriptures in this Bible is given by inspiration from Me”. These holy men were moved by My spirit to speak what is written inside this Bible” and the likes can be used to establish divine origin for all the books in the Bible because they are sufficient to prove their divine origin. However, such statements coming directly from God’s mouth and at the same time establishing the divine origin for all the books in the Bible is nowhere to be found inside the Bible. Even the word “BIBLE” cannot be found within the Bible; talk less of a verse coming directly from God’s mouth which would establish the divine origin for all the books in the Bible. Therefore, Bible still maintains its identity as being the word of God mixed together with the word of men; there are some verses which came directly from God’s mouth (like “If My people, who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sins and will heal their land(2 Chronicles 7:14)” and yet there are some verses which came directly from men( like the word of Paul and St Luke quoted at the beginning) . Among those verses in the Bible which came directly from God's mouth, there is none that establish divine origin for all the books in the Bible. That is, statements like “This Bible was inspired by Me or these people were moved by My spirit to write down all the books in the Bible" are nowhere to be found inside the Bible. The reason why such a verse is important and necessary to be present in the Bible is that, unlike Qur’an which is a single book, Bible is not a single book but a collection of books written by different authors at different times. Therefore, it is either each of every book in the Bible contains its own evidence for its divine origin or there is a verse uniting all the books in the Bible together as a single entity called Bible and then establishing divine origin for the whole of such Bible. However, not all the books in the Bible contain such verses coming directly from God’s mouth. Again, there is no a single verse in the Bible uniting all the books in the Bible together as an entity called Bible( i:e the word “Bible” is not found inside the Bible) talk less of a direct verse from God’s mouth that would establish divine origin for the whole of the Bible. This simply shows that selection and compilation of all the books in the Bible was not something commissioned by God Almighty. Therefore, the reason why Catholic Bible contains seven more books than the Protestant Bible is now clear to us. But does the Qur’an suffer similar problem? Certainly not! Beside the fact that Qur’an unite all its part together by making reference to its self as an entity called Qur’an (i:e the word “Qur’an” is found inside the Qur’an) in more than seventy places (in places like Qur’an 17:88, 10:37, 38:1, 47:24, 36:2, 50:1, 59:21 etc); there are also many verses coming directly from God’s mouth which establish the divine origin for the whole of the Qur’an. Examples of such verses are as follows: This is the revelation sent down from the Lord of the worlds. If he (Muhammad-pbuh) had forged some of the sayings concerning Us, We surely should have seized him by his right hand. And then We certainly should have cut off his life artery (Qur’an 69:43-46).
“O children of Israel! Remember My favor which I bestowed upon you, and fulfill your covenant with Me as I fulfill My covenant with you, and fear none but Me. And believe in what I have sent down ( i:e this Qur’an) confirming that which is with you, and be not the first to reject it, nor sell My verses for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone(Qur’an 2:40-41).
We have not sent down the Qur’an unto you (O Muhammad-pbuh) to cause you distress. But only as a reminder to those who fear God. A revelation from Him who created the earth and the high heavens (Qur’an 20:2-3).
You can see that all the first person pronouns like “Us, We, MY, I, Me” in all the verses of Qur’an quoted above can never be referred CONTEXTUALLY to any other person except God. . Other examples of similar verses can be found in Qur’an 15:9, 12:2-3, 21:10.50, 35:31-32, 17:105-106 16:101-103, 6:92 etc. However, example of such verses “coming directly from God’s mouth which would establish divine origin for the WHOLE of the Bible” cannot be found inside the Bible.







Just as Muslims are programed to believe in whatever Mohammed told them as the truth. Did Mohammed see angel jibril? No.

Did the so-called jibril tell Mohammed he was angel jibril? No.

Did allahh at any time spoke to Mohammed directly? No.

Have any Muslim seen angel jibril? No.

Has any allahh spoke to any Muslim, either by dream or vision? No.

Are Muslims programmed never to doubt or question Muhammad? Yes.

So what's your point in all your epistle? Nothing.

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