THE YORUBA KINGDOM
The yorubas today occupy the land to the south and west of the lower niger.
They form one of the leading tribes in Nigeria. Their neighbours are the Hausas
And fulanis to the north, the dahomeyans to the west and the Binis or Edos to the
east. There is no evidence to show that they, like the Hausas or the Kanuris, had
any access to the barber cultures.
Origins
Like other west African tribes, the origins of the yorubas are still wrapped in myth
and mystery. Some of the available evidences show that they arrived at their present
homes either in the 10th or 11th century. One of the legends show that they migrated
from the east. It is also suggested that their fore fathers were either Berbers or
Hamites who migrated to the south from areas around the River Nile.
But the most popular and dependable legend says that their ancestors belonged to the
Quresh tribe of Mecca in Saudi Arabia. Their first father, according to this legend, was
Lamrud or Namrud. He had an idol priest called 'Ya-Harba' from where the tribe got its name.
The word 'Ya-Harba' is an Arabic word meaning 'warrior' or 'army - general'. Ya-Harba was the
son of Lamrud.
When Islam was introduced in Mecca in the 7th century, Lamrud, Ya-Harba and their supporters refused to embrace the religion. Soon, the newly converted muslims
were forced to take arms against Lamrud and his pagan supporters. The pagans were
defeated after which they fled the city, crossing the red sea to Africa. They got to Egypt in 648 A. D . Soon they moved to Tripoli ,Algeria and Morocco. During this journey the idol priest, Ya-Harba, consulted his oracle ,and he was told that he and his people should go to wherever the
Oracle directed them. They followed the oracle's direction until they eventually arrived at Ile-Ife.
This was around 900 A. D. Or 1000 A. D. The exact time is not yet known, however.
According to the same legend, Lamrud and his idol-priest, Ya-Harba, died on the way. It was therefore Oduduwa who led the Yorubas to Ile-Ife. This is why Oduduwa, and not Lamrud or Ya-Harba, is referred to today as the 'Father of the Yorubas. But even though Ya-Harba
could not reach Ile-Ife his people decided to immotalise his name by calling their
settlement 'Ya-Harba, ' which was later converted to 'Yoruba'.
There we're some who left Mecca with the Yorubas but who did not get to Ile-Ife.
Some stopped at the bank of the Red Sea. These now form part of the ethnic groups
of the eastern provinces of the Republic of the Sudan. They are known as the Bejas
And the Adandawa in Eritrea and Ethiopia. They have the same figure as the Yorubas
Of Nigeria. Others are the Shajia( also in the Sudan) . They ,like the Yorubas, carry tribal
Marks. In the Chad Republic, there is also another group called the Wadai, who claimed
the same historical background as the Yorubas.




PLEASE POST TO FRONT PAGE SO THAT THE YORUBAS IN NAIRALAND WOULD KNOW THEIR HISTORY.


Source; The History of Africa by A. J Wills(P. hD) 1962

CC;
Seun
Mynd44
Ishilove
Lalasticalla

Why then are they spreading rumors that Oduduwa fell from the sky and hit his head on olumo rock?

If the yorubas refused to embrace islam in mecca and ran down to Benin lands and squatted, why then did Tinubu sell them into the same fate in 2015?

Op, do you mean that yorubas on nairaland do not know their history? Well, I do not believe all these your Biblical and Quranic history. Oduduwa coming from Mecca and Eri coming from Israel are historical trash to me. Instead of telling us how every tribe in west Africa is related to its neighbour and other Africans, you people are busy connecting your roots to Mecca and Israel. Make una continue!

Sprumbabafather:
If the yorubas refused to embrace islam in mecca and ran down to Benin lands and squatted, why then did Tinubu sell them into the same fate in 2015?

All roads lead to your full blown lunacy...

Safe trip!

GEJ is gone!!

Prechbills:
THE YORUBA KINGDOM
The yorubans today occupy the land to the south and west of the lower niger.
They form one of the leading tribes in Nigeria. Their neighbours are the Hausas
And fulanis to the north, the dahomeyans to the west and the Binis or Edos to the
east. There is no evidence to show that they, like the Hausas or the Kanuris, had
any access to the barber cultures.
Origins
Like other west African tribes, the origins of the yorubas are still wrapped in myth
and mystery. Some of the available evidences show that they arrived at their present
homes either in the 10th or 11th century. One of the legends show that they migrated
from the east. It is also suggested that their fore fathers were either Berbers or
Hamites who migrated to the south from areas around the River Nile.
But the most popular and dependable legend says that their ancestors belonged to the
Quresh tribe of Mecca in Saudi Arabia. Their first father, according to this legend, was
Lamrud or Namrud. He had an idol priest called 'Ya-Harba' from where the tribe got its name.
The word 'Ya-Harba' is an Arabic word meaning 'warrior' or 'army - general'. Ya-Harba was the
son of Lamrud.
When Islam was introduced in Mecca in the 7th century, Lamrud, Ya-Harba and their supporters refused to embrace the religion. Soon, the newly converted muslims
were forced to take arms against Lamrud and his pagan supporters. The pagans were
defeated after which they fled the city, crossing the red sea to Africa. They got to Egypt in 648 A. D . Soon they moved to Tripoli ,Algeria and Morocco. During this journey the idol priest, Ya-Harba, consulted his oracle ,and he was told that he and his people should go to wherever the
Oracle directed them. They followed the oracle's direction until they eventually arrived at Ile-Ife.
This was around 900 A. D. Or 1000 A. D. The exact time is not yet known, however.
According to the same legend, Lamrud and his idol-priest, Ya-Harba, died on the way. It was therefore Oduduwa who led the Yorubas to Ile-Ife. This is why Oduduwa, and not Lamrud or Ya-Harba, is referred to today as the 'Father of the Yorubas. But even though Ya-Harba
could not reach Ile-Ife his people decided to immotalise his name by calling their
settlement 'Ya-Harba, ' which was later converted to 'Yoruba'.
There we're some who left Mecca with the Yorubas but who did not get to Ile-Ife.
Some stopped at the bank of the Red Sea. These now form part of the ethnic groups
of the eastern provinces of the Republic of the Sudan. They are known as the Bejas
And the Adandawa in Eritrea and Ethiopia. They have the same figure as the Yorubas
Of Nigeria. Others are the Shajia( also in the Sudan) . They ,like the Yorubas, carry tribal
Marks. In the Chad Republic, there is also another group called the Wadai, who claimed
the same historical background as the Yorubas.




PLEASE POST TO FRONT PAGE SO THAT THE YORUBAS IN NAIRALAND WOULD KNOW THEIR HISTORY.


CC;
Seun
Mynd44
Ishilove

Trash

op..where is your source o

Prechbills:
THE YORUBA KINGDOM
The yorubas today occupy the land to the south and west of the lower niger.
They form one of the leading tribes in Nigeria. Their neighbours are the Hausas
And fulanis to the north, the dahomeyans to the west and the Binis or Edos to the
east. There is no evidence to show that they, like the Hausas or the Kanuris, had
any access to the barber cultures.
Origins
Like other west African tribes, the origins of the yorubas are still wrapped in myth
and mystery. Some of the available evidences show that they arrived at their present
homes either in the 10th or 11th century. One of the legends show that they migrated
from the east. It is also suggested that their fore fathers were either Berbers or
Hamites who migrated to the south from areas around the River Nile.
But the most popular and dependable legend says that their ancestors belonged to the
Quresh tribe of Mecca in Saudi Arabia. Their first father, according to this legend, was
Lamrud or Namrud. He had an idol priest called 'Ya-Harba' from where the tribe got its name.
The word 'Ya-Harba' is an Arabic word meaning 'warrior' or 'army - general'. Ya-Harba was the
son of Lamrud.
When Islam was introduced in Mecca in the 7th century, Lamrud, Ya-Harba and their supporters refused to embrace the religion. Soon, the newly converted muslims
were forced to take arms against Lamrud and his pagan supporters. The pagans were
defeated after which they fled the city, crossing the red sea to Africa. They got to Egypt in 648 A. D . Soon they moved to Tripoli ,Algeria and Morocco. During this journey the idol priest, Ya-Harba, consulted his oracle ,and he was told that he and his people should go to wherever the
Oracle directed them. They followed the oracle's direction until they eventually arrived at Ile-Ife.
This was around 900 A. D. Or 1000 A. D. The exact time is not yet known, however.
According to the same legend, Lamrud and his idol-priest, Ya-Harba, died on the way. It was therefore Oduduwa who led the Yorubas to Ile-Ife. This is why Oduduwa, and not Lamrud or Ya-Harba, is referred to today as the 'Father of the Yorubas. But even though Ya-Harba
could not reach Ile-Ife his people decided to immotalise his name by calling their
settlement 'Ya-Harba, ' which was later converted to 'Yoruba'.
There we're some who left Mecca with the Yorubas but who did not get to Ile-Ife.
Some stopped at the bank of the Red Sea. These now form part of the ethnic groups
of the eastern provinces of the Republic of the Sudan. They are known as the Bejas
And the Adandawa in Eritrea and Ethiopia. They have the same figure as the Yorubas
Of Nigeria. Others are the Shajia( also in the Sudan) . They ,like the Yorubas, carry tribal
Marks. In the Chad Republic, there is also another group called the Wadai, who claimed
the same historical background as the Yorubas.




PLEASE POST TO FRONT PAGE SO THAT THE YORUBAS IN NAIRALAND WOULD KNOW THEIR HISTORY.


Source; The History of Africa by A. J Wills(P. hD) 1962

CC;
Seun
Mynd44
Ishilove
Lalasticalla

Lamurudu is not known in our traditions. Nowhere in Yorubaland is anything like Lamurudu traditional, this was a muslim attempt to attach yoruba to arabs

macof:


Lamurudu is not known in our traditions. Nowhere in Yorubaland is anything like Lamurudu traditional, this was a muslim attempt to attach yoruba to arabs

There was Lamurudu, I heard about this story from my grandmother, whom if she were to be alive today would have been more than 100 yrs old.. The journey from Mecca via Egypt down to Sudan then Bornu and then to Ile ife seemed logical to me.. They follow the river down... So it seemed. They actually left due to religious uprising, the oracle has been with the Yoruba from inception. It was even mensioned in some Islamic Hadith. Yoruba used to be idol worshippers even up to this day. Which other tribe have the knowledge of the oracle and uses it like the Yoruba up to this day?

We used to be Idol worshippers until now. Thanks k God for his grace.

geosegun:


There was Lamurudu, I heard about this story from my grandmother, whom if she were to be alive today would have been more than 100 yrs old.. The journey from Mecca via Egypt down to Sudan then Bornu and then to Ile ife seemed logical to me.. They follow the river down... So it seemed. They actually left due to religious uprising, the oracle has been with the Yoruba from inception. It was even mensioned in some Islamic Hadith. Yoruba used to be idol worshippers even up to this day. Which other tribe have the knowledge of the oracle and uses it like the Yoruba up to this day?

We used to be Idol worshippers until now. Thanks k God for his grace.

But the only black people in Mecca during this age were slaves and the only idol worshippers With such will were Arabs. I don't get it...

DevdanSanguine:


But the only black people in Mecca during this age were slaves and the only idol worshippers With such will were Arabs. I don't get it...

Note that it was not clear. Mecca during that time. Yes, some were slave and deserters but these were the later tranche not the earlier ones. Some people arrived much more later. That's the truth...as there is a huge time difference between the Lamurudu vizaviz Nimrod and the mainstream Islamic Religion, remember that Abraham/Ibrahim has a religion that is synonymous to some practices in Islam. However, history has it that, Abraham actually was a son of Nimrod's priest and very intelligent. He started the rebellion by destroy Idols as he said it could not talk, eat or move. Why should a living being worship non living thing? Nimrod was black and the first mighty man recorded history so Blacks started civilization and there were no racism in those days. Blacks started slavery... It ended with us. Our race reaped what theker ancestors started. Haven't you seen traces of these dark energy in us? We even sold our kinsmen to Europeans during civil wars...we blame everyone but us... 95% slaves were sold and not forcefully taken as we were made to believe. I can go on and on...

geosegun:


Note that it was not clear. Mecca during that time. Yes, some were slave and deserters but these were the later tranche not the earlier ones. Some people arrived much more later. That's the truth...as there is a huge time difference between the Lamurudu vizaviz Nimrod and the mainstream Islamic Religion, remember that Abraham/Ibrahim has a religion that is synonymous to some practices in Islam. However, history has it that, Abraham actually was a son of Nimrod's priest and very intelligent. He started the rebellion by destroy Idols as he said it could not talk, eat or move. Why should a living being worship non living thing? Nimrod was black and the first mighty man recorded history so Blacks started civilization and there were no racism in those days. Blacks started slavery... It ended with us. Our race reaped what theker ancestors started. Haven't you seen traces of these dark energy in us? We even sold our kinsmen to Europeans during civil wars...we blame everyone but us... 95% slaves were sold and not forcefully taken as we were made to believe. I can go on and on...

Lol! Actually based on oral and written evidences this was actually pretty clear. Blacks were known by different names during this era and were never established as any of the indigenous Arab clans.infact when they spoke of dark skinned people they mostly spoke of Ethiopians like Bilal. So this whole story sounds like a reach to me.

Pardon my bluntness, but I've always been opposed to Africans who seem to think they are from all over the place rather than where every evidence and their current location points to. That they are nothing but indigenous Africans and there is nothing wrong with that. Just hate this inferiority complex that has been dealt on you people.

Prechbills:
THE YORUBA KINGDOM
The yorubas today occupy the land to the south and west of the lower niger.
They form one of the leading tribes in Nigeria. Their neighbours are the Hausas
And fulanis to the north, the dahomeyans to the west and the Binis or Edos to the
east. There is no evidence to show that they, like the Hausas or the Kanuris, had
any access to the barber cultures.
Origins
Like other west African tribes, the origins of the yorubas are still wrapped in myth
and mystery. Some of the available evidences show that they arrived at their present
homes either in the 10th or 11th century. One of the legends show that they migrated
from the east. It is also suggested that their fore fathers were either Berbers or
Hamites who migrated to the south from areas around the River Nile.
But the most popular and dependable legend says that their ancestors belonged to the
Quresh tribe of Mecca in Saudi Arabia. Their first father, according to this legend, was
Lamrud or Namrud. He had an idol priest called 'Ya-Harba' from where the tribe got its name.
The word 'Ya-Harba' is an Arabic word meaning 'warrior' or 'army - general'. Ya-Harba was the
son of Lamrud.
When Islam was introduced in Mecca in the 7th century, Lamrud, Ya-Harba and their supporters refused to embrace the religion. Soon, the newly converted muslims
were forced to take arms against Lamrud and his pagan supporters. The pagans were
defeated after which they fled the city, crossing the red sea to Africa. They got to Egypt in 648 A. D . Soon they moved to Tripoli ,Algeria and Morocco. During this journey the idol priest, Ya-Harba, consulted his oracle ,and he was told that he and his people should go to wherever the
Oracle directed them. They followed the oracle's direction until they eventually arrived at Ile-Ife.
This was around 900 A. D. Or 1000 A. D. The exact time is not yet known, however.
According to the same legend, Lamrud and his idol-priest, Ya-Harba, died on the way. It was therefore Oduduwa who led the Yorubas to Ile-Ife. This is why Oduduwa, and not Lamrud or Ya-Harba, is referred to today as the 'Father of the Yorubas. But even though Ya-Harba
could not reach Ile-Ife his people decided to immotalise his name by calling their
settlement 'Ya-Harba, ' which was later converted to 'Yoruba'.
There we're some who left Mecca with the Yorubas but who did not get to Ile-Ife.
Some stopped at the bank of the Red Sea. These now form part of the ethnic groups
of the eastern provinces of the Republic of the Sudan. They are known as the Bejas
And the Adandawa in Eritrea and Ethiopia. They have the same figure as the Yorubas
Of Nigeria. Others are the Shajia( also in the Sudan) . They ,like the Yorubas, carry tribal
Marks. In the Chad Republic, there is also another group called the Wadai, who claimed
the same historical background as the Yorubas.




PLEASE POST TO FRONT PAGE SO THAT THE YORUBAS IN NAIRALAND WOULD KNOW THEIR HISTORY.


Source; The History of Africa by A. J Wills(P. hD) 1962

CC;
Seun
Mynd44
Ishilove
Lalasticalla

Correction - Beja are an ancient Cushite stock and didn't driven from Yoruba or had nothing to do with them.

geosegun:


There was Lamurudu, I heard about this story from my grandmother, whom if she were to be alive today would have been more than 100 yrs old.. The journey from Mecca via Egypt down to Sudan then Bornu and then to Ile ife seemed logical to me.. They follow the river down... So it seemed. They actually left due to religious uprising, the oracle has been with the Yoruba from inception. It was even mensioned in some Islamic Hadith. Yoruba used to be idol worshippers even up to this day. Which other tribe have the knowledge of the oracle and uses it like the Yoruba up to this day?

We used to be Idol worshippers until now. Thanks k God for his grace.

1. Your grandmother was a Muslim was she not? Even if she were not to be... it is a Wide spread claim
Any gullible person who doesn't know how to study history would think because some people say it it will be true. The Mecca claim had existed before your great grandmother was born talkless of your grandmother.

2. The claim itself turns history on it's head. You claim. Lamurudu is Nimrod. There is no evidence that Nimrod ever existed. The Hebrews and Arabs made up legends of a Nimrod from ideas they had about some cities in Mesopotamia. Nimrod was not an actual person and he certainly wasn't king of Mecca

Strange how Lamurudu is a typical Yoruba transliteration of Namrud(arabic) ... Namurudu

How this so called Yoruba ancestor has no orisha status, how this so called father of Oduduwa has no oriki



3. Oduduwa did not come from Mecca, this is known to people who actually care to learn Yoruba history..
Go to Ife... go to any ile-orisa. There is no connection between oduduwa and Mecca
I am well aware of oduduwa's origin and it is not Mecca or anywhere outside yorubaland

4. I am a traditionalist and you are very stupidd to call Yoruba tradition idol worship. It is the foreign religious cancer that is eating Yorubas like you and your grandmother that prevents you lot from taking appropriate steps to learn Yoruba history

Imagine your ignorance calling Yorubas idol worshipers...

macof:



1. Your grandmother was a Muslim was she not? Even if she were not to be... it is a Wide spread claim
Any gullible person who doesn't know how to study history would think because some people say it it will be true. The Mecca claim had existed before your great grandmother was born talkless of your grandmother.

2. The claim itself turns history on it's head. You claim. Lamurudu is Nimrod. There is no evidence that Nimrod ever existed. The Hebrews and Arabs made up legends of a Nimrod from ideas they had about some cities in Mesopotamia.

3. Oduduwa did not come from Mecca, this is known to people who actually care to learn Yoruba history..
Go to Ife... go to any ile-orisa. There is no connection between oduduwa and Mecca
I am well aware of oduduwa's origin and it is not Mecca or anywhere outside yorubaland

4. I am a traditionalist and you are very stupidd to call Yoruba tradition idol worship. It is the foreign religious cancer that is eating Yorubas like you and your grandmother that prevents you lot from taking appropriate steps to learn Yoruba history

Imagine your ignorance calling Yorubas idol worshipers...

I am highly disappointed to read such uncouth sentences from you, a so called learned traditionalist? who could not decipher between hear says and what someone believes? Gosh! For the records, as much as I love history. I personally never believed in the Mecca Nimrod story. I was only emphasising on someone's claim of never heard of Lamurudu and nothing more. Idol Worshipping takes different form you can be a traditionalist and never have idol but people do. Sorry what do you call someone who worship Sigidi?

If you think I would descend so low to engage in such abusive banter. Sorry to disappointed you. I do know such.

If you have a contrary opinion please share the knowledge or evidence rather than use of abusive language. I believe you are a bona-fide and well brought up Yoruba man.

I appreciate your understanding.

geosegun:



I am highly disappointed to read such uncouth sentences from you, a so called learned traditionalist? Gosh! who could not decipher between hear says and what someone believes. For the records, as much as I love history. I personally never believed in the Mecca Nimrod story. I was only emphasising on someone's claim of never heard of Lamurudu and nothing more. Idol Worshipping takes different form you can be a traditionalist and ever have idol but people do. Sorry what do you call someone who worship Sigidi?

If you think I would descend so low to engage in such abusive banter. Sorry to disappointed you. I do know such.

If you have a contrary opinion please share the knowledge or evidence rather than use of abusive language. I believe you are a bona-fide and well brought up Yoruba man.

I appreciate your understanding.

Oh Woah! Are you really playing the victim right now? You insulting a people by calling them derogatory terms like idol worshippers is stupid... more so for claiming to be Yoruba yourself... It is no abuse it is simply a description of your distorted perception... If you don't want to be stupid maybe you should learn basic things about your ancestors before calling them idol worshippers

So I am the one who is really disappointed

Your last post was not simply "emphasising on someone's claim of never hearing of Lamurudu"

This is from your last post

So it seemed. They actually left due to religious uprising, the oracle has been with the Yoruba from inception. It was even mensioned in some Islamic Hadith. Yoruba used to be idol worshippers even up to this day. Which other tribe have the knowledge of the oracle and uses it like the Yoruba up to this day?

You obviously supported the Mecca claim


Do you even know what shigidi is? Go and learn and stop ignorantly tagging Yoruba traditions idol worship
That is an intended insult

macof:


Oh Woah! Are you really playing the victim right now? You insulting a people by calling them derogatory terms like idol worshippers is stupid... more so for claiming to be Yoruba yourself... It is no abuse it is simply a description of your distorted perception... If you don't want to be stupid maybe you should learn basic things about your ancestors before calling them idol worshippers

So I am the one who is really disappointed

Your last post was not simply "emphasising on someone's claim of never hearing of Lamurudu"

This is from your last post

You obviously supported the Mecca claim


Do you even know what shigidi is? Go and learn and stop ignorantly tagging Yoruba traditions idol worship
That is an intended insult

Shigidi according to published paper: Shigidi, or Shugudu, is deified nightmare. The name appears to mean "something short and bulky," and the god, or demon, is represented by a broad and short head, made of clay, or, more commonly, by a thick, blunted cone of clay, which is ornamented with cowries, and is no doubt emblematic of the head Shigidi is an evil god, and enables man to gratify his hate in secret and without risk to himself.

If you have a different meaning or opinion please let me know.

Now, for the fact that I buttress some point base on certain assertion does not mean I believe in it. I was only explaining what I ve heard but may or may not be correct.

Here you have it. The ball is in your court macof

geosegun:


Shigidi according to published paper: Shigidi, or Shugudu, is deified nightmare. The name appears to mean "something short and bulky," and the god, or demon, is represented by a broad and short head, made of clay, or, more commonly, by a thick, blunted cone of clay, which is ornamented with cowries, and is no doubt emblematic of the head Shigidi is an evil god, and enables man to gratify his hate in secret and without risk to himself.

If you have a different meaning or opinion please let me know.

Now, for the fact that I buttress some point base on certain assertion does not mean I believe in it. I was only explaining what I ve heard but may or may not be correct.

Here you have it. The ball is in your court macof

There is a saying , Ai t'èhin(èyin)ka la fi ówó bo (èetè)."Be bold to stand on what you heard,studied and believe in . Your grandmother may not be far from the truth because there are Yorubas that migrated to this present day Nigeria. In some part of Ondo,during the ancient times, each migrants from ILE IFE named his new envrion ILE IFE as a suffix to the name the founded colony of ILE IFE emigrants. What does this imply? It meant ,ILE IFE as a generic name had been in the mindsets of the first settlers who were migrants to Nigeria. If you doubt ,check the history of I Oba axis , danre etc. Secondly, there are over over 500 words shared between Hebrew/Aramaic/ Arabia/Egypt/Sumeria etc . even till date . Take for instance “ Father which Ba, Uba,Abba, (Baba is very recent because it was borrowed from Hausa/ Malian people and very modern considering the ancient way of calling Father in Yoruba language). And even the Northern Yoruba of OYO YORUB who were the ones that begun such usage still maintain "Ba" as father. Specifically, Ilorin , has exposed the identity of some Yorubas because Solagbade was one of the founder of Okesuna and settlers in this place.The core families in Agbaji namely; Ile Saura, Ile Aburo, Ile Baba Sa`are, Ile Agoro and Ile Imam Agbaji were originally Sudanese Arabs from a town called Ar-Baji on the Blue Nile. So also were the ancestral parents of the people of Ile Ara-Agbaji at Masingba, Oke Imole. Ile Hejebu, Ile Singini, Ile Oloko, Ile Oniko, Ile Ada-Ara and Ile Majo are extensions of the core families in Agbaji.Members of Ile Ibrahim Bature at Oke-Apomu are Arabs by origin. They migrated to Ilorin from Agades from Niger Republic. The Ojibara family in the same area is of Fulani descent. They initially sojourned in Borno before they migrated to Ilorin finally.

The people of Ile Ture of Ode Alausa, like members of the core families at Agbaji are Sudanese migrants in Ilorin.The Solagberu family at Agbaji, the Onagun family of Ita-Egba, the members of Ile Oloyin (formerly called Ile Igbon) at Ita Elepa, the Giwa family of Popo Giwa and the Mekabara family of Ita Ogunbo are Kanuri migrants. Solagberu migrated from Bama in Bornu and was founder of ancient Okesuna. The point here is that Yoruba are admixture of different people and few are aboriginal and assimilated due to inter marriages. Although the migrants populated and dominated the environment due to their exposure. Yoruba certain names and sculpture are non West African. This simply implies the point your grandmother said had some elements of truth because before Samuel Ajayi crowther mentioned it,the people had such notion that they were migrants . Lastly, foreign people/ Historians/Archeologists have studied and still studying Yoruba history likewise Yoruba and non Yoruba of Nigeria. And no known conclusion that specify that Yoruba were aboriginal.

Olu317:
There is a saying , Ai t'èhin(èyin)ka la fi ówó bo (èetè)."Be bold to stand on what you heard,studied and believe in . Your grandmother may not be far from the truth because there are Yorubas that migrated to this present day Nigeria. In some part of Ondo,during the ancient times, each migrants from ILE IFE named his new envrion ILE IFE as a suffix to the name the founded colony of ILE IFE emigrants. What does this imply? It meant ,ILE IFE as a generic name had been in the mindsets of the first settlers who were migrants to Nigeria. If you doubt ,check the history of I Oba axis , danre etc. Secondly, there are over over 500 words shared between Hebrew/Aramaic/ Arabia/Egypt/Sumeria etc . even till date . Take for instance “ Father which Ba, Uba,Abba, (Baba is very recent because it was borrowed from Hausa/ Malian people and very modern considering the ancient way of calling Father in Yoruba language). And even the Northern Yoruba of OYO YORUB who were the ones that begun such usage still maintain "Ba" as father. Specifically, Ilorin , has exposed the identity of some Yorubas because Solagbade was one of the founder of Okesuna and settlers in this place.The core families in Agbaji namely; Ile Saura, Ile Aburo, Ile Baba Sa`are, Ile Agoro and Ile Imam Agbaji were originally Sudanese Arabs from a town called Ar-Baji on the Blue Nile. So also were the ancestral parents of the people of Ile Ara-Agbaji at Masingba, Oke Imole. Ile Hejebu, Ile Singini, Ile Oloko, Ile Oniko, Ile Ada-Ara and Ile Majo are extensions of the core families in Agbaji.Members of Ile Ibrahim Bature at Oke-Apomu are Arabs by origin. They migrated to Ilorin from Agades from Niger Republic. The Ojibara family in the same area is of Fulani descent. They initially sojourned in Borno before they migrated to Ilorin finally.
The people of Ile Ture of Ode Alausa, like members of the core families at Agbaji are Sudanese migrants in Ilorin.The Solagberu family at Agbaji, the Onagun family of Ita-Egba, the members of Ile Oloyin (formerly called Ile Igbon) at Ita Elepa, the Giwa family of Popo Giwa and the Mekabara family of Ita Ogunbo are Kanuri migrants. Solagberu migrated from Bama in Bornu and was founder of ancient Okesuna. The point here is that Yoruba are admixture of different people and few are aboriginal and assimilated due to inter marriages. Although the migrants populated and dominated the environment due to their exposure. Yoruba certain names and sculpture are non West African. This simply implies the point your grandmother said had some elements of truth because before Samuel Ajayi crowther mentioned it,the people had such notion that they were migrants . Lastly, foreign people/ Historians/Archeologists have studied and still studying Yoruba history likewise Yoruba and non Yoruba of Nigeria. And no known conclusion that specify that Yoruba were aboriginal.

Bro the Ekitis are aboriginals right?
By the the way I'd like to have your email address

Olu317:
Lastly, foreign people/ Historians/Archeologists have studied and still studying Yoruba history likewise Yoruba and non Yoruba of Nigeria. And no known conclusion that specify that Yoruba were aboriginal.

I don't understand. You speak an indigenous african Niger Congo language.

Live exclusively in West Africa.

Phenotypically more like stereotypical Africans than probably any other west African ethnic group.

Your DNA shows you're 100 percent indigenous Saharan African with no non sub Saharan African admixture.

Yet somehow you believe this bull jive that you're not indigenous Africans?

jupiterx:

Bro the Ekitis are aboriginals right?
By the the way I'd like to have your email address

Nope,they are not.However, some of them had a fusion with Aboriginal link. Dont mind certain information of Samuel Ajayi Crowther because he blundered. I will categorically tell you that Ekiti are Odua linked Group. They worship Umole ,which was the word associated with deities linked with Odua group. The major reason the Odua group and Oba tala dominated this environment was because of large concentration of given birth to male Children that married the other non Migrant groups or earlier settlers before the arrival of these Yoruba groups. You need to read the account of Otun Ekiti, Ado Ekiti etc to know who the Ekitis represent. Ogun Oni Irè is in Ekiti. I am sure ,you have knowledge of the different Oguns and people who associated with the Ogun, that the Yoruba worship as well as Ijála being chanted by his devotees. The. Ekitis were an offshoot of Odua descendants.

Olu317:
Nope,they are not.However, some of them had a fusion with Aboriginal link. Dont mind certain information of Samuel Ajayi Crowther because he blundered. I will categorically tell you that Ekiti are Odua linked Group. They worship Umole ,which was the word associated with deities linked with Odua group. The major reason the Odua group and Oba tala dominated this environment was because of large concentration of given birth to male Children that married the other group. You need to read the account of Otun Ekiti, Ado Ekiti etc to know who the Ekitis represent. Ogun Oni Irè is in Ekiti. I am sure ,you have knowledge of the different Oguns and people who associated with the Ogun Yoruba worship as well as Ijála being chanted by his devotees.

Read/still reading Samuel Johnson's account....
Which doesn't agree with you....
Well am still learning,
I don't know much about the different 'Oguns', where can I get the account of Otun Ekiti, Ado Ekiti and Efon Alaye.
By the way you didn't reply the last msg

DevdanSanguine:


I don't understand. You speak an indigenous african Niger Congo language.

Live exclusively in West Africa.

Phenotypically more like stereotypical Africans than probably any other west African ethnic group.

Your DNA shows you're 100 percent indigenous Saharan African with no non sub Saharan African admixture.

Yet somehow you believe this bull jive that you're not indigenous Africans?

Well,I will take the pain to reply to you because, it seems you are new. Little do you know,that your location with highest population is where DNA will stuck to. Take for instance, if Yorubas are presently located in Asia ,where would the blood and DNA be related to if not Asian People? However, I want to you access Neanderthal traces in Yoruba DNA ( Nature, DOI: 10.1038/nature12886 ) by Reich .

Olu317:
Well,I will take the pain to reply to you because, it seems you are new. Little do you know,that your location with highest population is where DNA will stuck to. Take for instance, if Yorubas are presently located in Asia ,where would the blood and DNA be related to if not Asian People? However, I want to you access Neanderthal traces in Yoruba DNA ( Nature, DOI: 10.1038/nature12886 ) by Reich .

I don't think you understand how DNA works man. If your forefathers were indeed what you claim there'd at least be traces of their DNA no matter how little. I googled what you said and this is what I found, mind you khoisans are viewed as probably the most African Africans and I guess so are you. Something you should be proud of not trying to disprove with one hilarious theory or another.

DevdanSanguine:


I don't think you understand how DNA works man. If your forefathers were indeed what you claim there'd at least be traces of their DNA no matter how little. I googled what you said and this is what I found, mind you khoisans are viewed as probably the most African Africans and I guess so are you. Something you should be proud of not trying to disprove with one hilarious theory or another.

I didn't tell you to google but get a copy of what research did via admixture of what the first set of advanced ancestors who migrated back to Africa. If you don't know, I guess you should not affirm authoritatively as you claimed. Then get books about Egyptians,Nubians,Ethiopians ,Sumerian , Assyrians, Persians,Babylonians, Arabians Conquests as it relates to the Hebrews. Perhaps, you will have world view of migration, civilization and God —gods of each group before splinters emerged from them all.

Olu317:
I didn't tell you to google but get a copy of what research did via admixture of what the first set of advanced ancestors who migrated back to Africa. If you don't know, I guess you should not affirm authoritatively as you claimed.

Then please point me to this document or paraphrase it's stipulations because as a student of history I am eager to learn about these things.

jupiterx:

Read/still reading Samuel Johnson's account....
Which doesn't agree with you....
Well am still learning,
I don't know much about the different 'Oguns', where can I get the account of Otun Ekiti, Ado Ekiti and Efon Alaye.
By the way you didn't reply the last msg

Sorry about it because it slipped my mind.



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Olu317:
Sorry about it because it slipped my mind.



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This is how information nay knowledge should be shared and corrections made if any, and not like @macof using repulsive words/sentences.

Excellent discussions going on here...

geosegun:


This is how information nay knowledge should be shared and corrections made if any, and not like @macof using repulsive words/sentences.

Excellent discussions going on here...

It was a thing of stupidity to insult the entire yoruba nation by calling our tradition idol worship.. That is what is repulsive. If people do not step up to challenge this abusive tag, it will go on forever

And there is no knowledge passing from the person you are quoting. There is no non-indigenous african element in Yoruba, this is fact

It is not every senseless post I reply these days, I'm too busy for that

geosegun:


This is how information nay knowledge should be shared and corrections made if any, and not like @macof using repulsive words/sentences.

Excellent discussions going on here...

Well, if you can identify so many animals,then you will understand human beings reactionary attitudes. I used this as a metaphor because, each individual you come across has an absolute character of a particular animal like nature in his or her make up..So, when I come across people in real life or social media,I tend to understand them from such angle. Irrespective of individual ,claiming Spiritualism and Yoruba traditional society group, it still didnt change the fact that aĺl Yorubas and human beings have equal opportunity to express himself or herself. Using vulgar words isnt the best way to approach issue. Even if such apologists of the traditon of our ancestors do attach sentiments to Yoruba tradition and beliefs. The one being who all answers to is Eledumare in Yoruba land . And Yoruba God dont die but lives forever. So, I don't see any reason one should fight for Yoruba deified beings who worshipped Eledumare . I expect omoluabi's character from all of us irrespective of our differences . Although IFA's knowledge existed before Jesus came to the earth in Phyiscal person Yet IFA acknowledged Jesus christ because, the first thing that came out of ELedumare was Oro/word(Ela oro wa), which was the first word spoken by Eledumare. You will find this shocking resemblance with the Bible until you read it in one of Odu IFA . And the Path of IFA guided Yoruba people without flaws until evil people who had knowlwdge of IFA manipulated it for their selfish reasons. Having opined this,choice is given to all individual by God of the bible which is the same as God of Yorubas. There were people that became a Contact to Eledumare in the ancient time in yoruba land that became defied and used as a link to Eledumare(God almighty ). The point here is that The Arabs calls God (Allah), The Hebrew of Old called God(Eli) and Yoruba called God Elu-Olu (Eledumare) . The ancient Yorubas worshipped God and the modern Yorubas are still in tune with God despite Yorubas shortcoming .