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20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by naso2(m): 3:56pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
Today marks the 20th year of the orkar coup that took place 22nd April 1990. As children then there was celebration in the air, until the martial music stopped.The coup was foiled. There are still questions that come to mind more importantly now that the evil genius himself is eyeing another shot at ASO ROCK. What went wrong ? what has changed since then? and what would have been the implications of its success on the entity called Nigeria. your thoughts please.
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Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by Arkison: 4:02pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
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Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by naso2(m): 4:12pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
^^^^^^^^^ you self tire for the matter abi? |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by FACE(m): 5:03pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
Incoherent and childish. They deserved to fail ! Nigeria had a narrow escape because those rascals had nothing to offer. The speech was replete with rubbish and had little or no substance. Now, I'd like a good ol' revolution by intelligent fellas but I'm not keen on a revolution that was put together by dimwits. |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by Ibime(m): 5:14pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
FACE: lol. . . at least they weren't "homosexually-centred" |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by edoyad(m): 5:18pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
This was the coup that showed IBB and his Almajiri friends how much they were hated by all and sundry. If that coup had been successful the carved out Nigeria would have been the most developed country in Africa without a doubt. The illiteracy and backwardness of the people Orkar cut off is one of the main things still dragging this country backwards 20 years after. Well they say if at first you don't succeed . . . . |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by FACE(m): 5:20pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
Ibime: Ol' boy see reasons. I'm suspecting that Becomerich came up with the coup agenda while Kosovo wrote the speech. O.K Kosovo and Become, sorry for the jab, but can't resist. |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by Beaf: 5:25pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
The 5 states mentioned, have since become Nigeria's sharia torch bearers. . . Just coincedence? |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by FACE(m): 5:38pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
edoyad: Edoyad, if those guys were more enlightened than the Almajiris, it did not show in their coup manifesto/agenda. Did you read the conditions for letting those states back into the federation ? What they said, in effect was that without their choice of Sultan (rightly or wrongly) that the affected states were not part of Nigeria. In other words, the faith of the entity hinged on the enthronement of an individual to an inconsequential throne/caliphate. Clutching at straws in my opinion. I have only addressed the part of the coup you highlighted. I could take the whole speech apart but it would be a waste of my time. Of-course, they had a few good points but they lacked substance. Failure was well earned. |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by chosen04(f): 5:50pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
Orkar's last words "'Gideon Orkar was not fighting for the betterment for nigeria per se. He was only fighting to liberated his middle belt people from the evil and devish Northerners, "' In that context FACE was wrong with his below thought. FACE: Orkar really knew who is enemies were and went for them. The guy was intelligent not to beat around the bush. May his futuristic seeing soul rest in PEACE!! |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by FACE(m): 5:55pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
edoyad: While the almajiris in those areas have continued to fuel hatred and instability due to their blood thirst, the main people dragging us back are reasonably educated (at least to secondary education). They are the generals, some PHDs who have stolen with the pen at every twist and turn. If they had provided sound education and good environment for businesses to flourish, almajiris would be too tired after work to embark on any blood spilling adventure (maybe not entirely but very much so). Yes, the nation has been dragged back, but the almajiris are also victims and have also been dragged back like you and I. |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by chosen04(f): 6:10pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
FACE: Who would the generals and their cohorts USE if the almajiris were cut-off? Nobody. In other words Orkar was right in wanting to solve the problem from the ROOT rather than cutting branches that will still grow back. The guy has silent points |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by Nobody: 6:28pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
chosen04:stop trying to justify orkar's coup plot.every military coup was never done in the interest of the civilian race but the selfish interests of the army itself.right from ironsi down to ibb and abacha,we hear the same excuse 'the democrats are not conducting themselves well so we need to sustain the integrity of nigeria' while they loot the nation.when ibb refused to handover to a civilian president,abacha came in and promised to return to us to democracy.he didnt until death snatched him away.save for obasanjo and abdul salam that handed over to democratic govt,the others never wanted to until their subsequent dethronement by their subordinate. my own take on coup generally is not what nigeria needed at anytime in the past or in the future.it has drawn us back economically and in all other things.if orkar had won,he would have taken over and imposed himself on us like abacha |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by chosen04(f): 6:44pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
~Bluetooth: Am not justifying any thing, Orkar was a slient point, He was determined to fight the evil from its ROOT, |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by Nobody: 6:52pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
chosen04:he was determine to emancipate the people of the middle belt and 'the south'.what is national about that attitude.he only wanted to snatch military power of govt from ibb based on his ethnic view aginst the core northern generals who have gained more from coup.i bet that orkar wouldnt have been better if he had succeeded in the coup.check past past records. |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by FACE(m): 7:24pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
chosen04:Do you think that the other northern states lack their own portion of almajiri ? You can argue that the "educated" elite use alamajiri to perpertuate mayhem when it suits them, but they don't include almajiri in their money stealing/ dragging-back-the-nation exercise. The almajiris are only tools to be used and dumped at will and their blood thirst make them perfect tools for mayhem. The almajiri are in no position to provide basic infrastructure and education to their locality and as such, have also been dragged back and are also victims of greed and corruption like you and I. Orkah was cutting nothing from the roots. If his beloved Sultan was restored to his throne, he was happy as larry. By the way, Babangida is a middle belter from Niger and was firmly in charge and therefore the responsible person with regards to Orkah's charges, why did he not excise Niger state as well? |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by chosen04(f): 7:27pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
~Bluetooth: It is exactly what am saying. See below chosen04: The point he has---- is that cutting -off the almajiris that has being dragging the country back would have done wonders. ~Bluetooth: I strongly believe that the ''remaining components'' would have progressed greatly, if he had succeeded!!! His option may be bad national, but its actually the wisest idea to date, Do you have a better idea? |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by naso2(m): 7:47pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
FACE: I dont think so. The spirit of the piece was breaking free from the Hausa-fulani hegemony. Had the coup succeeded , those states would never have been re-integrated into whatever was left of Nigeria. It is common knowledge that MACCIDO was popular amongst the fulanis and should have been the emir, Dasuki on the other hand was the sultan hence had allegiances . The coup plotters sensed that , the greatest resistance was going to come from those states, hence they wanted to get them engaged in the emirship tussle while they settle other areas. Believe me , had those guys survived the first week, Maccido's supporters would have risen to the occasion to challenge Dasuki's loyalists. But it would have been serious contradiction if the guys actually planned to allow those states back into Nigeria just by making Maccido the sultan. All is now history, I think the guys did not do too badly. |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by snapshot: 8:13am On Apr 23, 2010 |
had this coup succeded,we would not be in the mess in which we are in today,largely created by IBB's govt.Unfortunately this same man is interested in ruling this country again.may GOD save Nigeria. |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by odogwux(m): 9:49am On Apr 23, 2010 |
The Gideon Orkar coup would have liberated this country from slavery in a heartbeat of its success. His agenda was as revolutionary as they come. What proved their undoing was faulty planning and cocaine use (they were as high kites). |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by naso2(m): 10:58am On Apr 23, 2010 |
odogwu-x: Not quite. They somehow understood the problem , but i doubt if they gave proper consideration to the workability of their solution. How a few soldiers largely from the middle-belt and south-south region took it upon themselves to speak for the entire south (west and east inclusive) and middlebelt still beats my imagination. Except for S.O.S Echendu, I am not aware of any other south-easterner in the plot. For south-west it was also one solitary sub-lieutenant that was part of it. The implication of the coup's success on the future of soldiers from colonel and above was too grave for the top brass of the military not to fight back and restore the old order. |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by Arkison: 11:15am On Apr 23, 2010 |
Reading his speech, what I understand is that Okar is a very passionate, overzealous and a very ambitious soilder and at the sametime too young, myopic, naive and above all clueless. The speech is like a conjucture of some Nairaland posts. While contradicting himself in the speech, he also shows his limited knowledge of Nigeria. |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by naso2(m): 11:23am On Apr 23, 2010 |
Arkison: Kai ol boy you wicked o. |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by blinx4real(m): 11:32am On Apr 23, 2010 |
The Gideon Orkar coup goes back to the fundamental question of the Composition of Nigerian ruling bloc, today with the killings in Jos, Militancy in Niger Delta and the latest attempt by that terrible oligarchy (we cannot call them the Northern Oligarchy because they only represent their own interest and not that of any section in this nation) to perpetuate itself in power through a "Dead" President, and the declaration that only a Northerner can contest in 2011 elections, I must say that Orkar is more than justified. He (Orkar) is not certainly the smartest man around and his solution was so childish that even without Abacha's intervention it would have died a natural death on its own. However, the fundamental question of how the ruling class emerges has to be revisited vis a vis electoral reforms must be puched to a logical conclusion else clamors to splinter this nation will certainly continue. |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by marvix(m): 1:15pm On Apr 23, 2010 |
Orkar had good intentions but was a bad student to the laws of Power hence his failure, u never reveal too much. Where was he rushin to, did he have to tell evrybody where he was goin from d onset, how do u restrict d soldiers nd police 2 d barracks nd impose a curfew, if d coup had taken place on Apr 1st it cld hav passed as an April fool joke. |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by brotherly: 8:05am On Apr 25, 2010 |
Orkar and his friends in the plot could not tie the loose ends because the coup leaked hence they had to strike before the originally planned date.There are positives though. The plotters somehow alerted Nigerians of IBB's schemes which made life more difficult for him. He ended up dribbling himself out of aso rock dishonourably. Shamelessly a man that could only hand power to an illegitimate interim government after squandering billions on elections in 8 years ,is seeking to benefit from the same democratic values he disdained. I pity him. |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by udezue(m): 9:39am On Apr 25, 2010 |
I was a kid when the occured but i could still remember the euphoria but also non-challant attitude towards it. I wish they succeeded. |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by brotherly: 5:19pm On Apr 26, 2010 |
udezue: TRUE. It was difficult to understand why TV stations that day operated like nothing had happened even before th coup was foiled. But those guys really threatened life out of IBB. |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by Dede1(m): 6:45pm On Apr 26, 2010 |
edoyad: The cross-section of plotters within the Orkar coup was delusional as ever. What primarily failed the coup arose from the pattern of carving the country. I shall never support the carving of colonial contraption called Nigeria that runs into south-north divide. |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by rasputinn(m): 9:58pm On Apr 26, 2010 |
It's a pity they failed to kill Ibrahim Babangida,that'd ve been one huge riddance to big bad rubbish |
Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by Nobody: 10:54pm On Apr 26, 2010 |
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Re: 20 Years After: Your Thoughts On The Orkar Coup by edoyad(m): 8:27am On Apr 27, 2010 |
The cross-section of plotters I really don't get what you support from what you posted. Anyways the final disintegration of Nigeria into various entities would have been the next step after the carving out. The south-south and middle belt officers were surely brought together by reasons that are still unknown to general populace to this day. One logical guess would be that more divisions would have been carried out after the immediate threat had been dealt with. |
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