In continuation of our former post from:

https://www.nairaland.com/3692784/some-deeds-not-meant-muslims

Muslims should beware of these:

1. Music (whether the so called Islamic songs or otherwise).

2. Creating Images/ Pictures of animate beings.

3. A male using golden items such as chains, wristwatches, rings, etc.

4. A lady using perfume outside her home.

5. Praying two or more Solah together after their time has passed due to work everyday.

6. Abortion.

7. Praying in the name of anyone other than Allaah.

8. Not using the right hijab, exposing tightly fitted dress, revealing body parts,exposing make-up, etc by the females.

9. Swearing by other than Allah.

10. Praying by virtue of the Prophet or Kaaba or other creations.

11. Burying the dead at home.

12. Backbiting and slandering a believer.

13. Bleaching the skin, tattooing, shaving eyebrows, gaping the tooth, using hair extensions and dyeing hair black.

14. Watching the display of the Kuffar eg. Ẹyọ in Lagos, Eégún, Ọṣun-Oṣogbo, Story of Jesus by Churches, etc.

15. Believing that we all worship the same God.

16. Believing it is abnormal to call disbelievers Kuffar.

17. Believing Allaah is everywhere physically.

18. Rearing pets like dogs and cats for sale.

19. Hanging pictures/images around one's body, around the house or mosques, etc.

20. Visiting the graves of dead Sheikhs (eg Ibrahim Niass, Ahmada Tijani,) etc to offer some forms of worship/prayers around their graves.

21. Working in a brewery, helping the sale of Alcohol in any way even if its just helping the seller to put the wares on her head!


May Allaah Pardon us our past sin and grant us Taqwa, Istiqama and Sabr to follow the Haqq till the end!

JazaakaLlahu Khayran

Perfect people are from a perfect God.

tintingz:
Perfect people are from a perfect God.

You are a Pastafarian that worships flying Spaghetti Monster, can you inform us about the content of the gospel of FSM? Why do Pastafarians need that gospel? Is FSH perfect? Why can't you mail Seun to create a Pastafarian thread for you guys and stop farting on our thread?

Rashduct4luv:


You are a Pastafarian that worships flying Spaghetti Monster, can you inform us about the content of the gospel of FSM? Why do Pastafarians need that gospel? Is FSH perfect? Why can't you mail Seun to create a Pastafarian thread for you guys and stop farting on our thread?

Non sequitur.

This thread is about muslims trying to be perfect/righteous using a divine law from a "perfect all knowing" God.

Please stop asking about FSM anyhow, stop blaspheming the holy name in vein.

tintingz:
Non sequitur.

This thread is about muslims trying to be perfect/righteous using a divine law from a "perfect all knowing" God.

Please stop asking about FSM anyhow, stop blaspheming the holy name in vein.

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Shy away from the questions as usual! Abeg, no reply me again! I no get your time anymore! Lakum deenukum waliyadeen!

As usual, you lumped things together. But i can agree more to this one than the former

Rashduct4luv:
In continuation of our former post from:

https://www.nairaland.com/3692784/some-deeds-not-meant-muslims

Muslims should beware of these:

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1. Music (whether the so called Islamic songs or otherwise).

Like you know better than your shuyukh? These are few seconds videos. So dont tell me you dont have data.What are they dancing to?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7BndZc47vA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvhDsXYTzHI

You can say you dont follow sheikh. That's irrelevant. Bunch of your shuyukh dance and there is nothing haram there so long as it is segregated. The guy named Alfa Saheed from UK who was criticizing Alfas ilorin has finally bowed. He condemned music too. You guys dont understand. Music that Islam forbids are those of fawaish. ALfa Saheed is now a sufi oni lawani gbangba after meeting Sheikh Labibu



to be continued...

Rashduct4luv:

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Shy away from the questions as usual! Abeg, no reply me again! I no get your time anymore! Lakum deenukum waliyadeen!

I wonder why you can't ask same question you asked about FSM against Allah, just swap FSM as Allah and see the absurdity.

This is what I've replied you not ones or twice concerning your question.

Rashduct4luv:
2. Creating Images/ Pictures of animate beings.

whatever this means?. Like one of your govnors did erecting South African president's image or camera photos?

Rashduct4luv:
3. A male using golden items such as chains, wristwatches, rings, etc.

of course, but you better yannana re before you confuse ppl.

Rashduct4luv:
4. A lady using perfume outside her home.

no problems. But then, there are difference of opinion. but i have no objection personally

Rashduct4luv:
5. Praying two or more Solah together after their time has passed due to work everyday.

where is your dalil?

Rashduct4luv:
6. Abortion.

who this help before nko

Rashduct4luv:
7. Praying in the name of anyone other than Allaah.

of course this is violation. but you need to to clarify cus you might mean something else. And don't misconstrue this for tawasul

Rashduct4luv:
8. Not using the right hijab, exposing tightly fitted dress, revealing body parts,exposing make-up, etc by the females.

no question asked

Rashduct4luv:
9. Swearing by other than Allah.

Yes, not proper

Rashduct4luv:
10. Praying by virtue of the Prophet or Kaaba or other creations.

You wrong buddy. I believe you referred to something like saying "Ola anobi", right?. If that's what you condemned, you are OYO. No wonder they can made prayer carpets depicting Masjid Haram and have people step on and pray on it. That very disrespective. Saying Ola Kaaba, Ola safa and marwa etc are halal. Take it or leave it. It is like saying "mo fi ola baba re be o". Omo ti won ba fi ola baba re be even if he is right but refuse to let go, omo ale ni omo na.

Rashduct4luv:
11. Burying the dead at home.

you have dalil against this?. I am talking about clear caught dalil. Besides, Oga wa Anobi Muhammad(saw) was buried in his house. Now what?.

Rashduct4luv:
13. Bleaching the skin, tattooing, shaving eyebrows, gaping the tooth, using hair extensions and dyeing hair black.

who this nonsense help

Rashduct4luv:
14. Watching the display of the Kuffar eg. Ẹyọ in Lagos, Eégún, Ọṣun-Oṣogbo, Story of Jesus by Churches, etc.

Na only watching you feel talk?. You no go warn muslim who participate?.

Rashduct4luv:
15. Believing that we all worship the same God.

Explain this to them after you make this statement.

Rashduct4luv:
16. Believing it is abnormal to call disbelievers Kuffar.

Do so with hikma

Rashduct4luv:
17. Believing Allaah is everywhere physically.

Allah's Names and Attributes are in everything. Thats why everything functions. And yes, to think He is physically by my side is improper. This was aqeeda that Sheikh Jabaru who died mysterious professed. He used to broadcast on TV in the 80s and 90s. He used to say where he is sitting, Allah is sitting next to him on one side, nabi Muhammad (saw) is sitting next to him the other side. That Abu Bakr, Umar, Usman and Ali are sitting in front of him. Allah disgraced and humiliated him before he died. All his investments gone before his eyes in a blink of an eye, and no one heard about him for years even though he lived until he died. However, there is nothing wrong to identify Allah's Signs from oneself especially when preaching to Atheists. Thats the best example. You preach to them using thier own self. This is what happened to Namurusu

Rashduct4luv:
18. Rearing pets like dogs and cats for sale.

You need to bring forward dalil to substantiate your claim. What we dealing here is by standard of Shairi'a not your whims

Rashduct4luv:
19. Hanging pictures/images around one's body, around the house or mosques, etc.

I personally dont like it. But then, this is minute issue. Definitely not in the masajid

Rashduct4luv:
20. Visiting the graves of dead Sheikhs (eg Ibrahim Niass, Ahmada Tijani,) etc to offer some forms of worship/prayers around their graves.

Two things are combined. VISITIN: nothing wrong with this. We have dalil. OFFERING: to offer something to them is haram and kufr. Muslims dont do that. But what you copied pasted here is vague @underlined. Purpose of ziyara is to offer prayer for them. So you can offer prayers around graves and i am not talking about salat.

Rashduct4luv:
21. Working in a brewery, helping the sale of Alcohol in any way even if its just helping the seller to put the wares on her head

no questions asked

Rashduct4luv:
May Allaah Pardon us our past sin and grant us Taqwa, Istiqama and Sabr to follow the Haqq till the end!

Amina

Empiree:
As usual, you lumped things together. But i can agree more to this one than the former


Like you know better than your shuyukh? These are few seconds videos. So dont tell me you dont have data.What are they dancing to?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7BndZc47vA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvhDsXYTzHI

You can say you dont follow sheikh. That's irrelevant. Bunch of your shuyukh dance and there is nothing haram there so long as it is segregated. The guy named Alfa Saheed from UK who was criticizing Alfas ilorin has finally bowed. He condemned music too. You guys dont understand. Music that Islam forbids are those of fawaish. ALfa Saheed is now a sufi oni lawani gbangba after meeting Sheikh Labibu



to be continued...

I think you already answered yourself here. As a Muslim we follow authentic evidences from our books and it doesn't mater whether the truth is lumped together or not. May Allaah give you the will to recognise and follow the truth!

Empiree:
whatever this means?. Like one of your govnors did erecting South African president's image or camera photos?

Empiree:
of course, but you better yannana re before you confuse ppl.

Since you understand it i don't think you need to create unnecessesary attention! Gold adornment are meant for women not men! And golden utensils are haram generally!

Empiree:
no problems. But then, there are difference of opinion. but i have no objection personally

What difference of opinion?

Empiree:
where is your dalil?

Apart from the often repeated verse where Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, As- Salaah (the prayer) is enjoined on the believers at fixed hours”. [al-Nisa' 4:103]

And about trade/work preventing you from Salah:

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Men whom neither trade nor sale (business) diverts from the remembrance of Allaah (with heart and tongue) nor from performing As‑Salaah (Iqaamat‑as‑Salaah) nor from giving the Zakaah. They fear a Day when hearts and eyes will be overturned (out of the horror of the torment of the Day of Resurrection).

That Allaah may reward them according to the best of their deeds, and add even more for them out of His Grace. And Allaah provides without measure to whom He wills”

[al-Noor 24:37-38]

Empiree:
who this help before nko

Empiree:
of course this is violation. but you need to to clarify cus you might mean something else. And don't misconstrue this for tawasul

The means of making du'a are as Allah's messenger explained in the Qur'an and sunnah. Though what i meant was directly praying in anyone's name apart from Allah, also seeking Tawassul(nearness to Allah) in anyway except as established in Sharee'ah is wrong and deffective.

Empiree:
no question asked

Empiree:
Yes, not proper

Empiree:
You wrong buddy. I believe you referred to something like saying "Ola anobi", right?. If that's what you condemned, you are OYO. No wonder they can made prayer carpets depicting Masjid Haram and have people step on and pray on it. That very disrespective. Saying Ola Kaaba, Ola safa and marwa etc are halal. Take it or leave it. It is like saying "mo fi ola baba re be o". Omo ti won ba fi ola baba re be even if he is right but refuse to let go, omo ale ni omo na.

As a Muslim, to outrightly say someone is wrong involves returning back to the Qur'an and Sunnah! Verily you would agree with me that the virtue of Allaah surpasses all virtues so why do we need praying with the virtue of created things rather than the creator! I don't want you to quote the misinterpreted hadith on this topic or the mawdoo’ (fabricated)hadith!

“When Adam committed his sin, he said, ‘O Lord, I ask You by virtue of Muhammad to forgive me.’ Allah said, ‘O Adam, how do you know of Muhammad when I have not yet created him?’ He said, ‘O Lord, when You created me with Your own hand, and breathed into me the soul that You created, I raised my head and saw written on the pillars of the Throne, La ilaha ill-Allah Muhammad Rasool Allah [There is no god but Allah, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah]. Then I knew that You would not mention in conjunction with Your name any but the most beloved of Your creation to You.’ Allah said, ‘You have spoken the truth, O Adam. He is indeed the most beloved of My creation to Me. Pray to me by virtue of Him, for I have forgiven you. Were it not for Muhammad, I would not have created you.”

This hadith is fabricated

Empiree:
you have dalil against this?. I am talking about clear caught dalil. Besides, Oga wa Anobi Muhammad(saw) was buried in his house. Now what?.

Our environment is such that we have neglected the Sunnah and chosen to follow otherwise! The Sunnah is to bury all Muslims in a Muslim burial ground and this is understandable as Muslims who visit such graves will offer du'a for the occupants of the graves and the probability of commiting shirk with the dead is lesser than burying them at home.
The Prophet buried his companions in the burial ground (al-Baqee‘) and this culture of ours of burying the dead at home has lead to inconveniences to the later generations and even shirk (by some seeking du'as from the dead). If one has tried one's best but could not find a burial ground then on can use the home! Lastly, All Prophets are buried wherever they died and i think you should be aware of this.

Empiree:
who this nonsense help

This is to warn Muslims who still do these that it is forbidden...

Empiree:
Na only watching you feel talk?. You no go warn muslim who participate?.

A warning call to those who says "they are just watching" Being a spectator is actually surporting kufr!

Empiree:
Explain this to them after you make this statement.

You could have spared us the time wasting and explain this. We worship Allaah alone. We pray and make du'a only in His name...

Empiree:
Do so with hikma

Please read https://www.nairaland.com/4311984/guidelines-takfeer-ruling-someone-kaafir



Allah's Names and Attributes are in everything. Thats why everything functions. And yes, to think He is physically by my side is improper. This was aqeeda that Sheikh Jabaru who died mysterious professed. He used to broadcast on TV in the 80s and 90s. He used to say where he is sitting, Allah is sitting next to him on one side, nabi Muhammad (saw) is sitting next to him the other side. That Abu Bakr, Umar, Usman and Ali are sitting in front of him. Allah disgraced and humiliated him before he died. All his investments gone before his eyes in a blink of an eye, and no one heard about him for years even though he lived until he died. However, there is nothing wrong to identify Allah's Signs from oneself especially when preaching to Atheists. Thats the best example. You preach to them using thier own self. This is what happened to Namurusu

Empiree:
You need to bring forward dalil to substantiate your claim. What we dealing here is by standard of Shairi'a not your whims

It would have been cool if you could just request for evidence. Only Allaah is All-Knowing!

Muslim (1569) narrated that Abu’l-Zubayr said: I asked Jaabir about the price of dogs and cats. He said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us not to do that (i.e., sell them).

Abu Dawood (3479) and al-Tirmidhi (1279) narrated that Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade the price of dogs and cats. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.

Empiree:
I personally dont like it. But then, this is minute issue. Definitely not in the masajid

I have seen a mosque at Isaac John Str., Fadeyi, Lagos wherein there hanged pictures of one Sheikh in the mosque!

Empiree:
Two things are combined. VISITIN: nothing wrong with this. We have dalil. OFFERING: to offer something to them is haram and kufr. Muslims dont do that. But what you copied pasted here is vague @underlined. Purpose of ziyara is to offer prayer for them. So you can offer prayers around graves and i am not talking about salat.

how did you know i copied and paste this! I compossed this just as the previous one. You should have just pasted your evidence instead of this claims!

It says in the hadeeth which was narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) who said: “No journey should be undertaken to any mosque except three: al-Masjid al-Haraam, this mosque of mine and al-Masjid al-Aqsa.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1189: Muslim, 1397.
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And some Muslims erronously do offer du'a at the grave of Sheikh Adam of Markaz, Agege Lagos. And so many other Shirk/Kufr are commited by Muslims over graves.

Allah knows best!

Empiree:
no questions asked

Rashduct4luv:


I think you already answered yourself here. As a Muslim we follow authentic evidences from our books and it doesn't mater whether the truth is lumped together or not. May Allaah give you the will to recognise and follow the truth!

Question is, the sheikh was wrong for dancing to music?. You have no dalil to prove him wrong. Islam doesn't forbid it. You made that up. This is not even king but Grand mufti.


Now, see the attachment?. That's what happens when you loose argument with your opponent. Alfa saheed(black jibab) confronted Sheikh Labibu on forbiddance of not Islam and he lost. Not only did he lose but he became Sufi onilawani gbangba

Empiree:
Question is, the sheikh was wrong for dancing to music?. You have no dalil to prove him wrong. Islam doesn't forbid it. You made that up. This is not even king but Grand mufti.


Now, see the attachment?. That's what happens when you loose argument with your opponent. Alfa saheed(black jibab) confronted Sheikh Labibu on forbiddance of not Islam and he lost. Not only did he lose but he became Sufi onilawani gbangba

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Empiree, pls bring out daleel that permits Music! I usually have problems with people who carries Sheikhs on their head like this. Sheikhs are humans and are not infallible! Only the Prophet is infallible!
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What's my own with all this attachments you are sending?

Rashduct4luv:

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Empi.ree, pls bring out daleel that permits Music! I usually have problems with people who carries Sheikhs on their head like this. Sheikhs are humans and are not infallible! Only the Prophet is infallible!
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What's my own with all this attachments you are sending?

Did the prophet (saw) allowed evil when girls were singing and beating tambourine in his presence?. Think brother, think. You don't understand.

And since you said only the prophet is infallible, then, why did you say music is Haram when he allowed it in his presence?. I will post the dalil if after this you ask again. This is just headsup.

Also, you turning away from your sheikh now where he doesn't suits you. Another time you will write like abdelkabir does and you will say the sheikh said that.

Remember you said both Islamic music and otherwise are Haram. Music forbidden by Islam are those fawaish and stuff

Empiree:
Did the prophet (saw) allowed evil when girls were singing and beating tambourine in his presence?. Think brother, think. You don't understand.

And since you said only the prophet is infallible, then, why did you say music is Haram when he allowed it in his presence?. I will post the dalil if after this you ask again. This is just headsup.

Also, you turning away from your sheikh now where he doesn't suits you. Another time you will write like abdelkabir does and you will say the sheikh said that.

Remember you said both Islamic music and otherwise are Haram. Music forbidden by Islam are those fawaish and stuff

Yes, Music is forbidden and you can bring evidence that music is permitted just as the Sheikh was doing!

Rashduct4luv:



Yes, Music is forbidden and you can bring evidence that music is permitted just as the Sheikh was doing!

Which Sheikh?. Your Sheikh in the video?. Thats your problem. I see no problem with baba oni baba dancing and happy.


Now digest this,


Volume 2, Book 15, Number 103:

Narrated 'Urwa on the authority of 'Aisha:

On the days of Mina, (11th, 12th, and 13th of Dhul-Hijjah) Abu Bakr came to her while two young girls were beating the tambourine and the Prophet was lying covered with his clothes. Abu Bakr scolded them and the Prophet uncovered his face and said to Abu Bakr, "Leave them, for these days are the days of 'Id and the days of Mina." 'Aisha further said, "Once the Prophet was screening me and I was watching the display of black slaves in the Mosque and ('Umar) scolded them. The Prophet said, 'Leave them. O Bani Arfida! (carry on), you are safe (protected)'."





Volume 2, Book 15, Number 72:

Narrated Aisha:

Abu Bakr came to my house while two small Ansari girls were singing beside me the stories of the Ansar concerning the Day of Buath. And they were not singers. Abu Bakr said protestingly, "Musical instruments of Satan in the house of Allah's Apostle !" It happened on the 'Id day and Allah's Apostle said, "O Abu Bakr! There is an 'Id for every nation and this is our 'Id."




Volume 2, Book 15, Number 70:

Narrated Aisha:

Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) came to my house while two girls were singing beside me the songs of Buath (a story about the war between the two tribes of the Ansar, the Khazraj and the Aus, before Islam). The Prophet (p.b.u.h) lay down and turned his face to the other side. Then Abu Bakr came and spoke to me harshly saying, "Musical instruments of Satan near the Prophet (p.b.u.h) ?" Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) turned his face towards him and said, "Leave them." When Abu Bakr became inattentive, I signalled to those girls to go out and they left. It was the day of 'Id, and the Black people were playing with shields and spears; so either I requested the Prophet (p.b.u.h) or he asked me whether I would like to see the display. I replied in the affirmative. Then the Prophet (p.b.u.h) made me stand behind him and my cheek was touching his cheek and he was saying, "Carry on! O Bani Arfida," till I got tired. The Prophet (p.b.u.h) asked me, "Are you satisfied (Is that sufficient for you)?" I replied in the affirmative and he told me to leave.



Music which incites the love of Allah, His Prophet (SAW), Awliya, and that of country (or Jihad) etc does not come under the category of haram. Almost every Hadith which talks against music also speaks against drinking (alcohol), doing zina with girls etc. So these Ahadith criticize that kind of music which can arouse sexual desires and can lead a person to drinking and zina etc. The music used in Qawali etc doesnt arouse sexual desires, but incites the love of Allah and His Prophet (SAW), so it does not come under the prohibited category. There are many events where music was played in the presence of the Prophet (SAW) and he didnt forbid it. As the Prophet (SAW) cannot allow a haram thing in his presence, so music is not haram (according to those scholars).


#On some occasions, when some Sahabi tried to stop someone from playing music, the Prophet (SAW) asked them to continue with their music. This kind of acceptance was not possible for a haram act .


#At some marriage occasions the Prophet (SAW) ordered Sahaba to play some music and said that the difference between a marriage and zina is music (which serves as an announcement of that marriage).

^^^

There are several others in Sahih Bukhari and Muslim relate to halal music. Signing is natural and part of human instinct.

Rashduct4luv:
And some Muslims erronously do offer du'a at the grave of Sheikh Adam of Markaz, Agege Lagos. And so many other Shirk/Kufr are commited by Muslims over graves.

There are ahadith approving visiting graves and making du'a there. When you go to visit graves, you basically travel. And you need to provide dalil that goes against making dua at the graves. This a 2 minutes video of Alhaji Malik Shabaz (Malcolm X). The people travelled there and made dua. That's haram and shirk?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KsygYd-VMA

You guys like quoting solitary hadith to derive meaning. This is sad. As for your claim about people visit to Sheikh Adam's grave and commit "shirk and kufr" , do you have evidence to buttress your point?. Newnas said the same thing last yr and i asked for evidence but he literally ran away till date. He goes as far as saying "awon obinrin (market women) sacrifice animal to him". Remember there is a difference between offering sacrifice TO someone (this is worship) and offering sacrifice FOR or ON BEHALF of someone(this is sadaqi) and family of deceased call people for saara. Purpose of visiting graves is to reflect and make du'a for the dea. So burying them close to home or in a compound where family constantly see give them constant reminder. There is nothing wrong burying the dead at home. And likewise nothing wrong with burying them in the cemetery. WHo remembers the dead on average day when she/he is buried miles away from home?. People pretend to "miss" loved one and visit the grave once a yr. For the fact that nab(saw0 was buried in his house is evidence that it is allowed. You gonna have to bring evidence otherwise directly from nabi that says otherwise. Else, i wont take it. Now, i understand lately that some have complained that the reason we should bury the dead at the cemetery is to avoid grave worship at home. This is not substantial enough. Grave may as well be worship at the cemetery.

Empiree, kílódé tí o fi ń approve ABURÚ.? Please repent, please repent, please repent. May Allah forgive us all and straighten our affairs. Aamin

iamgenius:
Empiree, kílódé tí o fi ń approve ABURÚ.? Please repent, please repent, please repent. May Allah forgive us all and straighten our affairs. Aamin

Abeg, tell me what "aburu" I approved?. Is it music other other stuff we discussed?. If it is music, you see clearly my counter argument using hadith. You should either bring up yours and let's see what's up.

Empiree:
There are ahadith approving visiting graves and making du'a there. When you go to visit graves, you basically travel. And you need to provide dalil that goes against making dua at the graves. This a 2 minutes video of Alhaji Malik Shabaz (Malcolm X). The people travelled there and made dua. That's haram and shirk?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KsygYd-VMA

You guys like quoting solitary hadith to derive meaning. This is sad. As for your claim about people visit to Sheikh Adam's grave and commit "shirk and kufr" , do you have evidence to buttress your point?. Newnas said the same thing last yr and i asked for evidence but he literally ran away till date. He goes as far as saying "awon obinrin (market women) sacrifice animal to him". Remember there is a difference between offering sacrifice TO someone (this is worship) and offering sacrifice FOR or ON BEHALF of someone(this is sadaqi) and family of deceased call people for saara. Purpose of visiting graves is to reflect and make du'a for the dea. So burying them close to home or in a compound where family constantly see give them constant reminder. There is nothing wrong burying the dead at home. And likewise nothing wrong with burying them in the cemetery. WHo remembers the dead on average day when she/he is buried miles away from home?. People pretend to "miss" loved one and visit the grave once a yr. For the fact that nab(saw0 was buried in his house is evidence that it is allowed. You gonna have to bring evidence otherwise directly from nabi that says otherwise. Else, i wont take it. Now, i understand lately that some have complained that the reason we should bury the dead at the cemetery is to avoid grave worship at home. This is not substantial enough. Grave may as well be worship at the cemetery.

Not all visitation can be termed as travel and this is simple english! What do you mean by an Hadith is solitary? Well as regards this hadith it is clear! I also agree we can visit graves and make du'a for the Muslims there but the the visitation must not involve traveling! And i will like you to offer explanation for that hadith.
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The evidence you require i don't have it anymore! I watched the video where the Sheikh was buried in a building and people were doing all sorts of things like throwing money and seeking blessings, etc. And where do you find it to offer sacrifice on behalf of the dead (as the Yoruba cleric does)? This your reasoning is faulty! I think it's pointless arguing with you! The Prophet was buried at home because Prophets are buried wherever they died. You are just trying to justify what you guys do....Anyways...i will only reply you on Music next and finally.

Empiree:
Which Sheikh?. Your Sheikh in the video?. Thats your problem. I see no problem with baba oni baba dancing and happy.


Now digest this,


Volume 2, Book 15, Number 103:

Narrated 'Urwa on the authority of 'Aisha:

On the days of Mina, (11th, 12th, and 13th of Dhul-Hijjah) Abu Bakr came to her while two young girls were beating the tambourine and the Prophet was lying covered with his clothes. Abu Bakr scolded them and the Prophet uncovered his face and said to Abu Bakr, "Leave them, for these days are the days of 'Id and the days of Mina." 'Aisha further said, "Once the Prophet was screening me and I was watching the display of black slaves in the Mosque and ('Umar) scolded them. The Prophet said, 'Leave them. O Bani Arfida! (carry on), you are safe (protected)'."





Volume 2, Book 15, Number 72:

Narrated Aisha:

Abu Bakr came to my house while two small Ansari girls were singing beside me the stories of the Ansar concerning the Day of Buath. And they were not singers. Abu Bakr said protestingly, "Musical instruments of Satan in the house of Allah's Apostle !" It happened on the 'Id day and Allah's Apostle said, "O Abu Bakr! There is an 'Id for every nation and this is our 'Id."




Volume 2, Book 15, Number 70:

Narrated Aisha:

Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) came to my house while two girls were singing beside me the songs of Buath (a story about the war between the two tribes of the Ansar, the Khazraj and the Aus, before Islam). The Prophet (p.b.u.h) lay down and turned his face to the other side. Then Abu Bakr came and spoke to me harshly saying, "Musical instruments of Satan near the Prophet (p.b.u.h) ?" Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) turned his face towards him and said, "Leave them." When Abu Bakr became inattentive, I signalled to those girls to go out and they left. It was the day of 'Id, and the Black people were playing with shields and spears; so either I requested the Prophet (p.b.u.h) or he asked me whether I would like to see the display. I replied in the affirmative. Then the Prophet (p.b.u.h) made me stand behind him and my cheek was touching his cheek and he was saying, "Carry on! O Bani Arfida," till I got tired. The Prophet (p.b.u.h) asked me, "Are you satisfied (Is that sufficient for you)?" I replied in the affirmative and he told me to leave.



Music which incites the love of Allah, His Prophet (SAW), Awliya, and that of country (or Jihad) etc does not come under the category of haram. Almost every Hadith which talks against music also speaks against drinking (alcohol), doing zina with girls etc. So these Ahadith criticize that kind of music which can arouse sexual desires and can lead a person to drinking and zina etc. The music used in Qawali etc doesnt arouse sexual desires, but incites the love of Allah and His Prophet (SAW), so it does not come under the prohibited category. There are many events where music was played in the presence of the Prophet (SAW) and he didnt forbid it. As the Prophet (SAW) cannot allow a haram thing in his presence, so music is not haram (according to those scholars).


#On some occasions, when some Sahabi tried to stop someone from playing music, the Prophet (SAW) asked them to continue with their music. This kind of acceptance was not possible for a haram act .


#At some marriage occasions the Prophet (SAW) ordered Sahaba to play some music and said that the difference between a marriage and zina is music (which serves as an announcement of that marriage).

You forgot to put the Hadith collector sha! You were just too much in haste to promote Music!

Empiree:
Which Sheikh?. Your Sheikh in the video?. Thats your problem. I see no problem with baba oni baba dancing and happy.


Now digest this,


Volume 2, Book 15, Number 103:

Narrated 'Urwa on the authority of 'Aisha:

On the days of Mina, (11th, 12th, and 13th of Dhul-Hijjah) Abu Bakr came to her while two young girls were beating the tambourine and the Prophet was lying covered with his clothes. Abu Bakr scolded them and the Prophet uncovered his face and said to Abu Bakr, "Leave them, for these days are the days of 'Id and the days of Mina." 'Aisha further said, "Once the Prophet was screening me and I was watching the display of black slaves in the Mosque and ('Umar) scolded them. The Prophet said, 'Leave them. O Bani Arfida! (carry on), you are safe (protected)'."





Volume 2, Book 15, Number 72:

Narrated Aisha:

Abu Bakr came to my house while two small Ansari girls were singing beside me the stories of the Ansar concerning the Day of Buath. And they were not singers. Abu Bakr said protestingly, "Musical instruments of Satan in the house of Allah's Apostle !" It happened on the 'Id day and Allah's Apostle said, "O Abu Bakr! There is an 'Id for every nation and this is our 'Id."




Volume 2, Book 15, Number 70:

Narrated Aisha:

Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) came to my house while two girls were singing beside me the songs of Buath (a story about the war between the two tribes of the Ansar, the Khazraj and the Aus, before Islam). The Prophet (p.b.u.h) lay down and turned his face to the other side. Then Abu Bakr came and spoke to me harshly saying, "Musical instruments of Satan near the Prophet (p.b.u.h) ?" Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) turned his face towards him and said, "Leave them." When Abu Bakr became inattentive, I signalled to those girls to go out and they left. It was the day of 'Id, and the Black people were playing with shields and spears; so either I requested the Prophet (p.b.u.h) or he asked me whether I would like to see the display. I replied in the affirmative. Then the Prophet (p.b.u.h) made me stand behind him and my cheek was touching his cheek and he was saying, "Carry on! O Bani Arfida," till I got tired. The Prophet (p.b.u.h) asked me, "Are you satisfied (Is that sufficient for you)?" I replied in the affirmative and he told me to leave.



Music which incites the love of Allah, His Prophet (SAW), Awliya, and that of country (or Jihad) etc does not come under the category of haram. Almost every Hadith which talks against music also speaks against drinking (alcohol), doing zina with girls etc. So these Ahadith criticize that kind of music which can arouse sexual desires and can lead a person to drinking and zina etc. The music used in Qawali etc doesnt arouse sexual desires, but incites the love of Allah and His Prophet (SAW), so it does not come under the prohibited category. There are many events where music was played in the presence of the Prophet (SAW) and he didnt forbid it. As the Prophet (SAW) cannot allow a haram thing in his presence, so music is not haram (according to those scholars).


#On some occasions, when some Sahabi tried to stop someone from playing music, the Prophet (SAW) asked them to continue with their music. This kind of acceptance was not possible for a haram act .


#At some marriage occasions the Prophet (SAW) ordered Sahaba to play some music and said that the difference between a marriage and zina is music (which serves as an announcement of that marriage).

Anyways! On Prohibition of Music.
Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e., music, singing, etc.) to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allah, or the Verses of the Qur’an) by way of mockery. For such there will be a humiliating torment (in the Hell-fire)”

[Luqmaan 31:6].

You can then ask who interpreted this verse like this? They are from the foremost among whom are three of the scholars, fuqaha’ and mufassireen among the Sahaabah, namely: ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Abbaas, ‘Abdullah ibn Mas‘ood and ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with them).

Especially when among them is ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Abbaas, the most knowledgeable of this ummah about the interpretation of the Qur’an (tafseer), by virtue of the blessing of the Prophet’s supplication for him, “O Allah, teach him the meaning of the Qur’an.” Narrated by al-Haakim; he classed it as saheeh and adh-Dhahabi agreed with him. Also classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in as-Silsilah as-Saheehah (2589).

“Among my ummah there will certainly be people who permit zinaa, silk, alcohol and musical instruments…” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari ta’leeqan, no. 5590; narrated as mawsool by al-Tabaraani and al-Bayhaqi. See al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 91).

And there are many similar Saheeh Hadiths like this.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The view of the four Imaams is that all kinds of musical instruments are haraam. It was reported in Saheeh al-Bukhaari and elsewhere that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said that there would be among his ummah those who would allow zinaa, silk, alcohol and musical instruments, and he said that they would be transformed into monkeys and pigs… None of the followers of the imaams mentioned any dispute concerning the matter of music. (al-Majmoo’, 11/576).

Al-Albaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The four madhhabs are agreed that all musical instruments are haraam. (al-Saheehah, 1/145).

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The madhhab of Abu Haneefah is the strictest in this regard, and his comments are among the harshest. His companions clearly stated that it is haraam to listen to all musical instruments such as the flute and the drum, even tapping a stick. They stated that it is a sin which implies that a person is a faasiq (rebellious evil doer) whose testimony should be rejected. They went further than that and said that listening to music is fisq (rebellion, evildoing) and enjoying it is kufr (disbelief). This is their words. They narrated in support of that a hadeeth which could not be attributed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). They said: he should try not to hear it if he passes by it or it is in his vicinity. Abu Yoosuf said, concerning a house from which could be heard the sound of musical instruments: Go in without their permission, because forbidding evil actions is obligatory, and if it were not allowed to enter without permission, people could not have fulfilled the obligatory duty (of enjoining what is good and forbidding what is evil). (Ighaathat al-Lahfaan, 1/425).

Imaam Maalik (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about playing the drum or flute, if a person happens to hear the sound and enjoy it whilst he is walking or sitting. He said: He should get up if he finds that he enjoys it, unless he is sitting down for a need or is unable to get up. If he is on the road, he should either go back or move on. (al-Jaami’ by al-Qayrawaani, 262). He (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The only people who do things like that, in our view, are faasiqs.” (Tafseer al-Qurtubi, 14/55).
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May Allaah grant us more understanding of the deen.Ma Salam.

Rashduct4luv:


You forgot to put the Hadith collector sha! You were just too much in haste to promote Music!

I knew you would focus on Ibn Abass(ra). Every sahaba you quoted and tabi'in, how did they refute hadith of nabi (saw)stopping Abu Bakr for rebuking those people singing?. Plus i clearly posted in what context music is prohibited but you keep saying i am promoting music. And this are sahih ahadith I quoted, which you believe in 100% authentic, so why are you asking me about transmitters?. Until you tell me you know better than your sheikh dancing to music, i wont take you serious. Even abdelkabir gave up on it last yr after quoting sheikh bin baz(ra) who himself asked for difference of opinion. That's why he peeped through this thread and left bcus he knows you dont know what you talking about.

And what I mean by solitary Hadith is that you, just like your other brothers, when dealing with a topic on Islam, you quote one ayah of Quran or Hadith and validate your opinion on it while ignoring other parts of the Hadith or verses of Quran. Example:

A non-muslim may quote this ayah of Qur'an to justify the fact that Good accepts any religion. Q2:62 and the like, while ignoring Qur'an 3:19 and Qur'an 3:85.

This is exactly what you are doing in the case of music. It is called LAZY MAN METHODOLOGY. You should bring all verses of Quran and Hadith together to form harmonious whole before you derive the meaning.

Ayah Lukman you quoted and they put music in parentheses shows it is opinion. The ayah is talking about idle talks which means fawaish(isókusó), tried alufanshá, and can of course means bad music but not all music including music in praises of Allah.


What Are These Saudis Doing Here, isn't This music and dancing with drums which Imam Malik(ra) supposedly condemned including drums?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SZArprD9pw

Rashduct4luv:


Not all visitation can be termed as travel and this is simple english! What do you mean by an Hadith is solitary? Well as regards this hadith it is clear! I also agree we can visit graves and make du'a for the Muslims there but the the visitation must not involve traveling! And i will like you to offer explanation for that hadith.
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The evidence you require i don't have it anymore! I watched the video where the Sheikh was buried in a building and people were doing all sorts of things like throwing money and seeking blessings, etc. And where do you find it to offer sacrifice on behalf of the dead (as the Yoruba cleric does)? This your reasoning is faulty! I think it's pointless arguing with you! The Prophet was buried at home because Prophets are buried wherever they died. You are just trying to justify what you guys do....Anyways...i will only reply you on Music next and finally.

Sorry, you are dismissed. You have no evidence. As for saara on behalf of the dead is valid. Take it or leave it. Even at my masjid here with same ideology as your, they did the same thing when son of a brother passed away and gave everyone food. If they dont believe such saara is valid, why would they do it?. And what's your evidence and who told you that prophets are buried where they died. I dont wanna hear your sheikh said. I repeat, if prophet is buried in his house, is a clear evidence it is halal. You need evidence to prove otherwise not your whim. It is only if the law of the land prohibits graves on private property, that's the only time we can agree on. Otherwise, opinion of everyone else doesnt count

Empiree pls bring where we ever talked on dancing, why do you enjoy lying on me?

AbdelKabir:
Empi.ree pls bring where we ever talked on dancing, why do you enjoy lying on me?

Music is what i said. Why do u enjoy lying on me?

Empiree:
Music is what i said. Why do u enjoying lying on me?

Dancing to music was what you said, anyway can you bring were I discussed music with you to the extent of bringing a view from ibn baz rahimahullaah?

AbdelKabir:

Dancing to music was what you said, anyway can you bring were I discussed music with you to the extent of bringing a view from ibn baz rahimahullaah?

since last yr or even 2016, you kidding me?. Even dancing is allowed but not mixing is whats frown upon. Whats wrong with you guys?

Empiree:
since last yr or even 2016, you kidding me?. Even dancing is allowed but not mixing is whats frown upon. Whats wrong with you guys?

If you can't bring proof of me discussing music with you then pls quit lying on me, the ones you've lied on me are still on your neck, you wanna add more?