This is some bull ish. No matter what, people are always going to have some kind of conspiracy theory (from the Makavelli 7 Days Theory to the Knight templars)to give their lives meaning. I don't buy that and goodluck to you if you do. My opinion,

mrjimmyjam and othercospiracy theorists please dont take this the wrong way but you need to seriouslly chill out,i read up untill the end of page 2 and realised you are on the boundary of being neuroticin your accussations,firstyou same jayz and nas are masons fair enough now you went on to say born agains, e.t.c are masons and devil worshippers,judging my your way of knowing who devilworshippers are i guess all the pastors,hiphop community even the likes of 2 face,dbanj, and 100% of all rich ppl are masons

while i agreewith you that nas and especially jayz might be masons,saying mostofthe hip hop artistes,a random bank exec in nigeria e.t.c are masons is stretchng it a bit,all the rappers are doing is using their lyrics and the whole masonic thing to stimulate inerest in their work,ifyou you about marketing you will realise stuffs like these sells and da vinci code,blood lines e.t.c are examples of novels/movies that have been great sellers because as humans we are naturally intrigued by the conspiracy theories,masons e.t.c

when everybody was into scarface,mafia godfather and stuffs thats what the hip hop artistes talked about,many of them called each other godfather,don e.t.c now the interest has shifted to illuminati,mason e.t.c and they r just using it as a marketing tool,we r all educated presumably and enlightened so lets open our minds and not do some follow follow

@ lucabrasi ,
Thank you, couldnt have said it better.

Wow! I've always seen this thread but never read it Cuz the first post was too long.

This is scary, I dunno what to believe. Man, I'm a big fan of Jay-z and Nas but now i dunno.

@The Poster
Good research and good conclusion. U're strong on the analysis and quite convincing is your story. Its nt today we started hearing about Illuminati, Free Masons, Knight Templers, Opus Dei, bla bla bla and it's clear that they initiate influential people like Leonardo Da Vinci, Mozart etc.

The point i want to make is that when a man gets to a certain age in life, he knows what he wants and what he doesn't. he knows what is right and what is wrong. He knows who to Follow and who not to follow. There's one thing to appreciate use of skills and there's another thing to appreciate the message. I love Nas like anything. I skipped Hip Hop is dead but bought "Untitled" but i later realized that Nas sells Criticism these days, the album is not bad though. On the other hand, Jay Z is one mc i respect the way he treats issues in his lines, and that's that about that.

That they are "this or that" doesn't stop me from listening to their trackz. I only know what to take and what to leave cos for my own religion, that i'm listening to music in the first place is a sin.

I know the God in me, Know yours and kill the bullshit.

But i need to ask this are free masons and knight templers worshipping devil? I don't know but am not sure they are.

It's weird that after I read this topic, I started hearing about it even in school.

Ok, I beg to differ with you guys who implied that mozart was influential. He was never rich even though he had exceptional talents. He actually died at the young age of 35 before he could acquire wealth due to stress.

@bouzymill, now I don't know if this is accurate but I am currently studying islam in my humanities class and I came across the masonry thing. It was inspired by members of an organization called Nation of islam. This organization is different from true islam. Members of Nation of islam believe that the white man is evil and they would rule the world for 6,000 after which the black man would destroy them and take over. It is basically an anti-white organization. Malcolm X belonged to this organization(there's the movie which denzel played X) but after he traveled to mecca and saw that true islam was based on equality and not racism, he converted to true islam and started preaching the word. He got assassinated by members of nation of islam who were angry that he abandoned them.

Basically, it's not really a religion but a state of mind. I believe this free mason of a thing is also a state of mind. They don't have any spiritual powers whatsoever.

chiogo:

It's weird that after I read this topic, I started hearing about it even in school.

Ok, I beg to differ with you guys who implied that mozart was influential. He was never rich even though he had exceptional talents. He actually died at the young age of 35 before he could acquire wealth due to stress.

He wasn't influential??
Whatchu saying?? Are we talking bout sumone that was considered the Einstein of classical music??
His finances only dwindled cus of the Austo-Turkish war, think of it, war affects everyone

Mozart was playing in royal courts at 17, he's influenced our perception of good music

@Chiogo
I agree with you that Mozart was not a rich guy before he died. And that's why i never mentioned being rich. The meaning of Influential do not have any semantic feature which includes money. It's just about being powerful and known. Most Influential People are rich but not all rich people are influential. Fela Kuti was influential not because of money but because of what he does.

chiogo:

@bouzymill, now I don't know if this is accurate but I am currently studying islam in my humanities class and I came across the masonry thing. It was inspired by members of an organization called Nation of islam. This organization is different from true islam. Members of Nation of islam believe that the white man is evil and they would rule the world for 6,000 after which the black man would destroy them and take over. It is basically an anti-white organization. Malcolm X belonged to this organization(there's the movie which denzel played X) but after he traveled to mecca and saw that true islam was based on equality and not racism, he converted to true islam and started preaching the word. He got assassinated by members of nation of islam who were angry that he abandoned them.

Basically, it's not really a religion but a state of mind. I believe this free mason of a thing is also a state of mind. They don't have any spiritual powers whatsoever.

I strongly disagree with these points. I am a devoted muslim and all this while, i have never come across freemasonry in Islam. Freemasonry has been in existence since the 17th century and its historical origin hhas nothin to do with United State of America. Nation of Islam was a derailed Islamic movement which believe that the whitemen are devils and that the blacks are the good men. It was led by Elijah Muhammed, who brainwashed them that he is the God sent messanger. Malcom X was mentored by this guy and later became his spokesmen.  after sum shits happened, he was suspended and he travelled to Mecca and realizd there are white muslims and that the true islam has no racial segregation and then he came back home and formed his own Muslim Mosque Inc. and just during a press conference he was killed by some gunmen. There are only traces that these men are from Elijah Muhammed himself. They don't have any buisness with freemasons.

Freemasonry is more than a state of mind.

Oops @Eldee/bouzymill, I meant to write "affluent" not 'influential'. That was why i mentioned 'rich'. ofcourse, he was influential.
bouzymill, on previous pages, some people did say that members of the freemasons are usually rich such as mozart and George Bush.
I was referring to those people but I guess I was looking at the last word used in describing mozart which was the 'influential' you used.

@Eldee, I don't know about the Austro-Turkish war but from history, Mozart had a rival who was an amateur composer.
But stole Mozart's work and posed as his. This made Mozart to never acquire any significant amount of wealth.
The said rival connived and made him do some 'project' which was supposedly due at a specific time. Mozart was
hurrying to finish that work on his sick bed and that caused his death coupled with his drinking due to the stress.
Actually, there's a movie to it.

@bouzymill, like I said I don't know if the info is accurate. Besides, I never said freemason came from Islam. It was
inspired by Nation of islam. Nation of Islam, islam - two different things. Like you said, Nation of islam was a
derailed Islamic movement. It was a falsehood. Again, I didn't say freemason had to do with the United states, Nation of Islam
did. In the article I read about nation of islam, it inexplicitly mentioned it to have inspired freemasonry, witchcraftery, etc.

there is nothing wrong in freemasonry, at least they believe in GOD. think about this, the members of the order of freemasons have contributed postively to the world since early times.



''clique moving like freemasons,
so if i'm on the floor for the law,
there is lodges all across the nation.
NaS is bred for the plan.
to hold a grand dragon's head in my hand. come and get me here i am.

--------------nas . be a nigger too.

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ok now i understand all tha nas fans out there r kinda crushed after hearing he cud be a mason but if ur a true fan of his then u just know theres more to it. ive always had ma doubts bout jayz n nas has always been tha man in ma eyes. its all believable but in ma perspective, theres an alterier motive here. trust, nas will not let us down. this is all a thought out plan. nas n pac r thee greatest rappers of all tyme. theres teaching in their lyrics. u just gotta listen wit deaf ears n ull peep tha subliminal messages. there aint shyt to fear jus be prepared n trust in ur higher good, its gonna get bad before it will be good but we'll get thru it, COP THA UNTITLED ALBUM FROM NASS

hello
my big friends out there, i don hear all u opinions ok, rap is still the best ,,,,,if they are worshipping man made god or esle but i most tell u that at my 90s years of age i will still be a THUG, i mean still listening to rap like PAC and NAS, THEIR Lyrics are wonderful .i miss u pac,, i can wait to hear ur track every hours, nas u are a blessing to others and ur wprds has come to pass , like u want a black president , also 2PAC, BARAK OBAMA as fulfill ur wish, i love my niggers , we wiil Bleep u alll manafucker guys like u.thug like till we dies ,,,,i want to use this space to invite u all for a party , for legend , rap daddy 2pac , on september 30/2009. if ur interesting get back to me let me leave the venue for u, creatorita@yahoo.com.PAC FOR LIFE, DEAM MAMA. LIKE UR MUMMY,

Hmm! I have learnt a lot from this post.

@chiogo
You impress me. I didn't know you were so intelligent. I wonder why u don't listen to some on like nas with all te depth u have showed here.

No knowledge is wasted, i have watched "The Truth About Hip-Hop", as a christian with some knowledge of spirituality i know about most of these things. Also i have read Rebbecca Brown's "He came to set the captives free" where somethings about rock music was said. I know one thing, which is "Flee from every appearance of temptation". It doesn't say run,or hide or keep a safe distance, it says "flee". There is a clear difference. I do music, so its been an up and down journey for me trying to stop listening to secular music. So the sooner you start the better! If you listen to all the songs you like and end up in hell what is the point. As for all Christians, if you believe Christ really died for your sins then honour him by keeping away from all things that don't glorify him! Just my opinion,

kay29000:

Hmm! I have learnt a lot from this post.

@chiogo
You impress me. I didn't know you were so intelligent. I wonder why u don't listen to some on like nas with all te depth u have showed here.

Who said I don't listen to his music?

chiogo:

Man, I'm a big fan of Jay-z and Nas but now i dunno.

RealizeRea:

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ok now i understand all tha nas fans out there r kinda crushed after hearing he cud be a mason but if your a true fan of his then u just know theres more to it. ive always had ma doubts bout jayz n nas has always been tha man in ma eyes.  its all believable but in ma perspective, theres an alterier motive here. trust, nas will not let us down. this is all a thought out plan. nas n pac r thee greatest rappers of all tyme. theres teaching in their lyrics. u just gotta listen wit deaf ears n ull peep tha subliminal messages. there aint shyt to fear jus be prepared n trust in your higher good,  its gonna get bad before it will be good but we'll get thru it,  COP THA UNTITLED ALBUM FROM NASS

He won't let you down because he's God, right?? ok. 

Anyway, this whole mason talk is funny. "If you listen to a song backwards, you'll see that the artiste is worshiping the devil" - wow! that's genius.

jay is lying. jay and nas were acquainted with masons but they were not actually masons themselves. i know this for a fact. nas is acquainted with the masons thru ME. i knew nas growing up since before "live at the bbq". i wrote material for nas and never got any credit.

jay is not a mason. he never pledged mason. jay is related to masons by blood. jay paid for his alpha phi alpha membership. he never pledged. jay been faking kappa alpha psi affiliation. jay started calling the
"diamond in the sky" because he was on tour with kanye who really is a kappa. i'm pretty sure jay is illuminati and jay maybe skull and bones. jay is not a mason.

i'm not friends with jay but i have met him a few times. him and his boy ambushed me one time. i caught jay z at towson town center mall in maryland and i punked him out in front of at least 50 people because the nigga had too much ego. i bent him over, pulled his pants down and punked him out on the spot right there in the food court of the mall. i swear before god that's the truth.

and if jay denies it, i'll do it again. if jay claims mason, i'll punk him for that too.

D.R.U.G.S

baslone:



D.R.U.G.S

Say no to those, right??
Chei, nairaland!!!

what's that supposed to mean? i don't use drugs. don't be defaming my character. you don't know me. i tell the truth. do you really think jay z is the guy he says he is on cd? have you ever met that nigga? he is straight punk for real. jay z is as fake as they get. all that stuff on the radio and tv is just image.

what's that supposed to mean baslon?  i've lived my life here.  i've met jay z.  i know the truth about him.  you don't know him cause he is really nothing like that guy you hear on the radio?  that's stuff on the radio and tv is jay z acting.  that's not even his real name.   sean carter is faking as jay z.  i knew that nigga.  me and jay have had beef.  i truly honestly had to punk that nigga out in the mall cause he was talking too much stuff.  we got away with it cause the security in the mall were phi beta sigma too.  at least 50 people witnessed it.  they asked jay about it on the radio and he lied and said it wasn't him.  jay never said another word about the punking cause he didn't want everybody to know. i told jay don't ever step to me like that again and i meant it.  i told him don't ever claim my group and i meant that.   jay lying.  he's going around claiming everybody's group.  he was claiming alpha phi alpha.  he was claiming kappa alpha psi, talking about throw the diamond in the sky.  now he's claiming mason and skull & bones.  the real skull & bones don't put their information on t shirts.  masons don't talk about being masons.  a mason is never supposed to reveal himself.   damon dash used to punk jay z all of the time.  jay used to give head to big daddy kane.  i know this for a fact.  i witnessed it.  jay z, scoob, and scrap were all big daddy kane's punks.  all of that jay z gangster talk is acting.  he shoots videos on a video set, not in the hood.

^^ That's exactly what I make out about this mason issue. In "Run this town", he said "I'm in Mason. . . ." that was too explicit; I don't believe real members reveal it so freely. It's all hype. Rappers always take the 'tough' act to another level.

But C'mon dude, every idiot knows Jay-z isn't his real name. That whole babbling was irrelevant  And that most rappers aren't as tough as portrayed on TV. It's just common sense. You don't have to meet a rapper in person to know that.

heard that run this town song and it has a good beat but is rather creepy

^^ lol the video or the lyrics?? I think the video was a force! Many people will see it as "futuristic" or artsy.

havent seen the video yet but i checked out the lyrics

nice beat but the message is rather out there

kingsigma:

jay is lying. jay and nas were acquainted with masons but they were not actually masons themselves. i know this for a fact. nas is acquainted with the masons thru ME. i knew nas growing up since before "live at the bbq". i wrote material for nas and never got any credit.

jay is not a mason. he never pledged mason. jay is related to masons by blood. jay paid for his alpha phi alpha membership. he never pledged. jay been faking kappa alpha psi affiliation. jay started calling the
"diamond in the sky" because he was on tour with kanye who really is a kappa. i'm pretty sure jay is illuminati and jay maybe skull and bones. jay is not a mason.

i'm not friends with jay but i have met him a few times. him and his boy ambushed me one time. i caught jay z at towson town center mall in maryland and i punked him out in front of at least 50 people because the nigga had too much ego. i bent him over, pulled his pants down and punked him out on the spot right there in the food court of the mall. i swear before god that's the truth.

and if jay denies it, i'll do it again. if jay claims mason, i'll punk him for that too.

Only on NL. _{una no go kill person}

laff go kill me, bury me and send me to whatever yonder wey i deserve on this nairaland. whaaaat !!!!

slimshay:

laff go kill me, bury me and send me to whatever yonder wey i deserve on this nairaland. whaaaat !!!!

see as i de laff like mad man, i love nairaland!

tpia.:

havent seen the video yet but i checked out the lyrics

nice beat but the message is rather out there

The creepy part for me  is the "I'm in mason. . ." Usually, I skip that part while singing along.
But then, it's probably just Jay-z trying to feel tough by saying he's in the mason.

Story, story

Being a mason isnot a good thing. I want to make sure that people understand that. There really are two different groups. There are the masons and then there are the freemasons. A "mason" is really a slave to a "freemason". I can't tell everything about the group because it's supposed to be secret but being a mason isnot something to be proud of. A mason is a slave. They are pledged to a master.

At this point in Jay's career, he should be trying to forget the masons. Hopefully, he would have made it pass that slavery.

A true mason is never supposed to reveal themselves. A mason is not supposed to discuss the group with anyone outside of the group.

I know Jay was related to a member but Jay never studied what it was really about. It's not something to be glorified.

Nigerians will always be Nigerians. I'm not going to bother myself with uploading any images or posting any links. You all have the internet at your fingertips use it well rather than coming here to post rubbish. Has anyone of you done a comprehensive research about the freemasons, I bet not cos if you have you wouldn't say pyramids or triangles or diamonds are symbols of freemasons. Someone even said they originated from Egypt. And their is nothing secret about the freemasons even George Washinton was a member and so are many of the founding fathers of the USA. Infact i'm saying much more than I planned to say. If you want more info search wikipedia or just go to their website.

well., talking about jay-z., i dont think he has anything to hide - he said he is a mason in the song ft. rihanna and kanye west "run this town, " but then i just never knew nas was,  either ways guys what do u have on reggae artist like culture one stone, morgan heritage, sizzla,  and so on cos i m so into this guys,  let me know plssssssssss