"You need to respect people's beliefs" i call this arguably the most hypocritical statement ever, why?

I've noticed theists say the above statement whenever you're criticising their flavour of religion, I've NEVER seen a Christian pop up and say "Respect People's beliefs" when one is criticising Islam or a Muslim stating that when one is criticising Christianity

I've even seen this play out like a script on this platform too, a Christian goes to a thread about Islam to bash Mohammed, Allah and Islam but comes to a thread bashing Jesus, Yahweh and Christianity to start demanding for "respect for other people's beliefs"

Infact most religions are built around disrespecting other people's belief. does a Christian think he/she is "respecting" other people's beliefs when singing "Mami water power, powerless power, Babalawo power, powerless power"? does a Babalawo hear such a song and think "Oh! This Christian is really respecting my belief"? Does a Mami Water believer think "This song is epitome of respecting my belief"?

or a song like (credit to darkchild64 for this) "Jesus na you be oga,Jesus na you be oga every other god na so so yeye everyother god na so so yeye"? Does a Hindu listen to such a song and says " These guys are respecting my belief"?

But if an atheist dare says "Jesus power powerless power" or "Yahweh is imaginary" or "Christianity is bullsheet" a Christian would quickly say "You need to respect other people's belief". A Muslim would trot out the same statement when one says "Mohammed is evil and not from God" or "Islam is bullsheet". This is highly hypocritical. Even Innocent looking statements of faith like "only Jesus saves," or "Jesus is Lord" or "Only Christianity is from God, others are from the devil" are disrespectful of Jewish, Islamic and all other beliefs not named Christianity. Every religious doctrine necessarily contradicts somebody else's doctrine, so any declaration of belief is disrespectful to some other belief. Demands for "respect" when one criticises their own beliefs are really just demands for special privilege. They want others to refrain from critiquing their own beliefs but want full freedom to critique everybody else's belief. Do most Christians respect the beliefs of the Nation of Islam? Scientology? Satanism? The Taliban? Wiccan Witchcraft? Christian preachers and proselytizers spend a lot of time explaining why all other religions are false/evil/Satanic but start asking for respect when one says the same about their own beliefs.

I respect a person's right to have their beliefs (so as long as they are not causing harm with them). But I absolutely have no reason to respect their beliefs themselves. When theists start respecting other religions then their own I will actually consider it.
Respect is earned, it's not something you can demand.

If someone comes to me and says that Muhammad cracked the moon in two or Jesus raised the dead then I'm within my rights to laugh at their ridiculous beliefs. It's ok, if you tell me that the world is flat or Buhari is dead and he's been replaced by a body double I'll ridicule it too. I can ridicule secular beliefs as well.



"You’ve gotta respect everyone’s beliefs." No, you don’t. That’s what gets us in trouble. Look, you have to acknowledge everyone’s beliefs, and then you have to reserve the right to go: "That is fucking stupid. Are you kidding me?" I acknowledge that you believe that, that’s great, but I’m not going to respect it. I have an uncle that believes he saw Sasquatch. We do not believe him, nor do we respect the nonsense he said!"

Now that's I've explained the hypocrisy behind the statement "Respect other people's belief" I'll talk about the emotional reactions by some theists that see a direct disrespect/ridicule of their belief as a direct disrespect/ridicule of them as a person

I've heard this play out a lot over the years and its an emotional tactic to make the person criticising their belief feel bad. this is also hypocritical and a underhanded tactic

HOW DOES ONE DISRESPECT A BELIEF?

a typical disrespect of a belief goes like this:

Mr Idongesit: Cutemadridista, Christianity is true and Yahweh is real

I reply that what you just said is not correct as Christianity is not true and Yahweh is imaginary

I've seen some theists (pretend to) feel insulted and offended by my reply then ask that THEY be respected as I just disrespected THEM!

I find such reaction dishonest and hypocritical cuz if a Muslim tells the same Christian, "Allah is real and Islam is true" they wouldn't see their replying with "What you just said is not correct as Islam isn't true and Allah isn't real" as a disrespect to the Muslim. infact they would be very okay if I reply a Muslim with that but it becomes a personal disrespect and insults when one replies in the same format to their own claim! This, as you can see, is hypocrisy and emotional blackmail


HOW DOES ONE DISRESPECT A BELIEVER?

A typical disrespect of a believer would go like this

Mr Idongesit: Cutemadridista, Christianity is true and Yahweh is real

cutemadridista: You're stupid for believing that nonsense, I don't know what makes you so stupid, but it really works. Stupidity is not a crime so you are free to go but I'd advise you go for psychiatric evaluation so you can be certified sane or put in a mental asylum as the case may be

This reply has disrespected YOU

What makes the first Reply different from the second? Well, its obvious that while the first concentrated on what Mr Idongesit said, the second reply concentrated on Mr Idongesit himself

In case I need more

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I could need this too. This is gonna be a long thread

If respect my beliefs or religion means don't have a negative opinion (or say it out) about my religion, then i am the last guy you want to tell that to. Nothing should be above criticism or even ridicule

This is an interesting thread. Usually, I try to accept or tollerate everyone's beliefs so long as they are not harming others or themselves because of what they believe in. I hate how so many religious idiots always have that "mine is good, yours is evil" mentality. It makes my stomach turn inside out.

FeelDeMusic:
This is an interesting thread. Usually, I try to accept or tollerate everyone's beliefs so long as they are not harming others or themselves because of what they believe in. I hate how so many religious idiots always have that "mine is good, yours is evil" mentality. It makes my stomach turn inside out.

I'm even all for them saying "Mine is right and everyone who thinks/believes differently is wrong" but what I'm totally against is the hypocrisy of asking for respect if they're on the receiving end of the same statement. In other words, if you dish it out be prepared to take it too or you're a pathetic hypocrite

Good one. People are free to believe what they want to believe and people are free to respect what they want to respect. No one can force me to respect any religion.

CuteMadridista:
"You need to respect people's beliefs" i call this arguably the most hypocritical statement ever, why?

I've noticed theists say the above statement whenever you're criticising their flavour of religion, I've NEVER seen a Christian pop up and say "Respect People's beliefs" when one is criticising Islam or a Muslim stating that when one is criticising Christianity

I've even seen this play out like a script on this platform too, a Christian goes to a thread about Islam to bash Mohammed, Allah and Islam but comes to a thread bashing Jesus, Yahweh and Christianity to start demanding for "respect for other people's beliefs"

Infact most religions are built around disrespecting other people's belief. does a Christian think he/she is "respecting" other people's beliefs when singing "Mami water power, powerless power, Babalawo power, powerless power"? does a Babalawo hear such a song and think "Oh! This Christian is really respecting my belief"? Does a Mami Water believer think "This song is epitome of respecting my belief"?

or a song like (credit to darkchild64 for this) "Jesus na you be oga,Jesus na you be oga every other god na so so yeye everyother god na so so yeye"? Does a Hindu listen to such a song and says " These guys are respecting my belief"?

But if an atheist dare says "Jesus power powerless power" or "Yahweh is imaginary" or "Christianity is bullsheet" a Christian would quickly say "You need to respect other people's belief". A Muslim would trot out the same statement when one says "Mohammed is evil and not from God" or "Islam is bullsheet". This is highly hypocritical. Even Innocent looking statements of faith like "only Jesus saves," or "Jesus is Lord" or "Only Christianity is from God, others are from the devil" are disrespectful of Jewish, Islamic and all other beliefs not named Christianity. Every religious doctrine necessarily contradicts somebody else's doctrine, so any declaration of belief is disrespectful to some other belief. Demands for "respect" when one criticises their own beliefs are really just demands for special privilege. They want others to refrain from critiquing their own beliefs but want full freedom to critique everybody else's belief. Do most Christians respect the beliefs of the Nation of Islam? Scientology? Satanism? The Taliban? Wiccan Witchcraft? Christian preachers and proselytizers spend a lot of time explaining why all other religions are false/evil/Satanic but start asking for respect when one says the same about their own beliefs.

I respect a person's right to have their beliefs (so as long as they are not causing harm with them). But I absolutely have no reason to respect their beliefs themselves. When theists start respecting other religions then their own I will actually consider it.
Respect is earned, it's not something you can demand.

If someone comes to me and says that Muhammad cracked the moon in two or Jesus raised the dead then I'm within my rights to laugh at their ridiculous beliefs. It's ok, if you tell me that the world is flat or Buhari is dead and he's been replaced by a body double I'll ridicule it too. I can ridicule secular beliefs as well.



"You’ve gotta respect everyone’s beliefs." No, you don’t. That’s what gets us in trouble. Look, you have to acknowledge everyone’s beliefs, and then you have to reserve the right to go: "That is fucking stupid. Are you kidding me?" I acknowledge that you believe that, that’s great, but I’m not going to respect it. I have an uncle that believes he saw Sasquatch. We do not believe him, nor do we respect the nonsense he said!"

Patton Oswalt, on people’s beliefs

You were making sense up to the point where you made the entire writeup about criticizing Christianity and Christians

spartan117:

You were making sense up to the point where you made the entire writeup about criticizing Christianity and Christians

I used Christianity and Islam as examples as they're more relatable to the average Nairalander but it applies to (almost) every other religion too.

You also can't deny Christians are most guilty of this

CuteMadridista:


I used Christianity and Islam as examples as they're more relatable to the average Nairalander but it applies to (almost) every other religion too.

You also can't deny Christians are most guilty of this

I know 'religious' Christians are guilty of this. This is a set of individuals who really don't believe in jesus christ nor adhere to his teachings they are just like the pharisees and sadducees who live in hypocrisy.
Jesus christ even prophesied that it will get to a time when they will kill and think they are doing God a service.

However, there is a new breed of Christians that don't just read the Bible like a manual, but the spirit behind the words is at work in them. For the Bible says the letter killeth but the spirit gives it life. These are the real Christians, they walk in love, they heal the sick, they raise the dead.

Christianity is NOT a religion it's living the life of christ here on earth and that can only be done If the same spirit that worked in jesus lives in you.

It transcends living according to what you perceive has been written in the Bible because there is a spirit behind those words, if you don't have that spirit please note that it is IMPOSSIBLE to understand what is written in the Bible

The only aspect of Christianity I respect is their right to eat grass!!! No need to pay a labourer to cut it!!!

Nice

I agree with CuteMadrista.

Note: Don’t copy entire articles to make your points. Use your own words. You can quote and link to the articles if you want us to read them.

spartan117:

I know 'religious' Christians are guilty of this. This is a set of individuals who really don't believe in jesus christ nor adhere to his teachings they are just like the pharisees and sadducees who live in hypocrisy.
Jesus christ even prophesied that it will get to a time when they will kill and think they are doing God a service.

However, there is a new breed of Christians that don't just read the Bible like a manual, but the spirit behind the words is at work in them. For the Bible says the letter killeth but the spirit gives it life. These are the real Christians, they walk in love, they heal the sick, they raise the dead.

Christianity is NOT a religion it's living the life of christ here on earth and that can only be done If the same spirit that worked in jesus lives in you.

It transcends living according to what you perceive has been written in the Bible because there is a spirit behind those words, if you don't have that spirit please note that it is IMPOSSIBLE to understand what is written in the Bible

I try to avoid pulling the no true Scotsman but I disagree that those Christians are "Religious Christians" (whatever that means)

Part of being a Christian is to "go ye into the world and preach the gospel" part of preaching the gospel is telling them Jesus name is the most powerful and all power belongs to it. its telling them no other name comes close etc and this is highly disrespectful of any other belief as they don't share the same sentiment with the Christians. This is why I said the below in the OP

Every religious doctrine necessarily contradicts somebody else's doctrine, so any declaration of belief is disrespectful to some other belief.

so unless you're the type that reads the Bible, prays in the corner of your home and keep your religious views to yourself then you're barely different from the Christians in the OP

CuteMadridista:


I try to avoid pulling the no true Scotsman but I disagree that those Christians are "Religious Christians" (whatever that means)

Part of being a Christian is to "go ye into the world and preach the gospel" part of preaching the gospel is telling them Jesus name is the most powerful and all power belongs to it. its telling them no other name comes close etc and this is highly disrespectful of any other belief as they don't share the same sentiment with the Christians. This is why I said the below in the OP



so unless you're the type that reads the Bible, prays in the corner of your home and keep your religious views to yourself then you're barely different from the Christians in the OP

Looks like I didn't go through the op thoroughly,and yes there is no respectful way to tell a man that all he has believed in all his life is false. However the point I raised in my previous post is still valid.

But you won't find Christians that have an understanding of God's word and know who they are in christ crying foul play because someone else criticized their beliefs instead we look at them with an eye of love and that is what drives missionaries to go to hostile environments and even remote environments with no access to basic amenities. Sometimes they even pay with their lives. It's all born out of love.

Hypocrisy is the life blood of all religions. I've seen christians team up with atheist to castigate and insult islam here, I've also seen atheist team up with Muslims to castigate, ridicule and insult Christianity.

When you ridicule their pet superstition it becomes a problem for them and they try to silent you by saying you should respect their beliefs as if they respect the beliefs of others.

Christianity begins by totally delegitimizing all other religions and their God's as false, Islam even goes a step ahead by declaring there there is NO except Allah the God of Islam and it says that practicing other religions is the worst form of endeavour a human can engage in.

When they gather together as a group all the do is put down all other religions and promote theirs but when you give them a taste of their own medicine they begin to cry bla bla bla respect our beliefs .

Ridiculous hypocrites.

spartan117:

Looks like I didn't go through the op thoroughly,and yes there is no respectful way to tell a man that all he has believed in all his life is false. However the point I raised in my previous post is still valid.

But you won't find Christians that have an understanding of God's word and know who they are in christ crying foul play because someone else criticized their beliefs instead we look at them with an eye of love and that is what drives missionaries to go to hostile environments and even remote environments with no access to basic amenities. Sometimes they even pay with their lives. It's all born out of love.

It's a lie, Christian missionaries dot go to hostile environment's. When was the last time you heard daddy Adeboye travel to North Korea, Pakistan or Sambisa forest in his private Jet to go and speard the word? Christian missionaries only go to places where they can exploit the people and give them the Christian culture in exchange for their money or resources. That's how it has been right from inception. From the Roman conquest till today. Christianity has only promoted those that went about spreading it's message with wealth.

dalaman:


It's a lie, Christian missionaries dot go to hostile environment's. When was the last time you heard daddy Adeboye travel to North Korea, Pakistan or Sambisa forest in his private Jet to go and speard the word? Christian missionaries only go to places where they can exploit the people and give them the Christian culture in exchange for their money or resources. That's how it has been right from inception. From the Romans conquest till today. Christian has only promoted those that went about spreading it with wealth.

If Christian missionaries didn't go to hostile and remote environments then western education probably wouldn't have reached your village by now

spartan117:
If Christian missionaries didn't go to hostile and remote environments then western education probably wouldn't have reached your village by now

I think he is talking about modern missionaries who are affiliated with wealthy tithe-collecting churches like Christ Embassy and RCCG. They would rather open churches in wealthy places like London and Cape Town.

Seun:

I think he is talking about modern missionaries who are affiliated with wealthy tithe-churches like Christ Embassy and RCCG. They would rather open churches in wealthy places like London and Cape Town.

Wealthy places like London and Cape Town also need the gospel of christ so do rural areas that's why you see branches of RCCG and christ Embassy in villages that lack basic social infrastructure.

As a business man I wouldn't bother to open a church in such areas because it would not be profitable but as a Christian I would bother because it's about saving souls and the furtherance of the gospel of christ

spartan117:

If Christian missionaries didn't go to hostile and remote environments then western education probably wouldn't have reached your village by now

The missionaries came and took resources from Africa including many slaves. There is no where the missionaries went that they didn't take human and material resources. They made lots of money while propagating the message of the cross.

dalaman:


The missionaries came and took resources from Africa including many slaves. There is no where the missionaries wen that they didn't take human and material resources. They made lots of money while propagating the message of the cross.

I'm very sure you meant to say the British government took slaves and resources from Africa?

Seun:

I think he is talking about modern missionaries who are affiliated with wealthy tithe-collecting churches like Christ Embassy and RCCG. They would rather open churches in wealthy places like London and Cape Town.

There you go again.

Seun:

I think he is talking about modern missionaries who are affiliated with wealthy tithe-collecting churches like Christ Embassy and RCCG. They would rather open churches in wealthy places like London and Cape Town.

You obviously sound like you're saying the major aim for setting up churches is tithe collection.

I have mentioned to you that churches don't have access to members' bank accounts whereby they can make direct debits.
It's those members who willingly come up with whatever they want to give, and make the payments at the church.

If you earn 1million monthly, and you choose to pay 10,000 as tithe or you even choose to pay nothing. Nobody audits you, as a matter of fact, nobody cares.

If your stingy nature makes you see giving as bad, why not keep that funny tightfisted attribute to yourself? It's isn't at all enviable you know.

If you keep ranting endlessly about what people choose to do with their own money- a matter that isn't any business of yours- what does that say about you?

Those folks world over who are utterly motivated to do tithing are only-unlike like you- well informed of its benefits.

Imagine a village illiterate telling you that spending your time writing codes is a waste. Would his silly opinion convince you to stop?

spartan117:

I'm very sure you meant to say the British government took slaves and resources from Africa?

The missionaries took slaves and resources from Africa. The name of the first slave ship that left Africa was called the "Good ship Jesus". Google is your friend.

dalaman:


The missionaries took slaves and resources from Africa. The name of the first slave ship that left Africa was called the "Good ship Jesus". Google is your friend.

The fact that the name of the ship was Good ship jesus and the fact that it's captain John Hawkins was a religious zealot doesn't make him a Christian missionary my friend , he didn't come to Africa to propagate the gospel of christ he came to trade plain and simple. I spoke about such religious zealots in my previous post on this thread
Here is Wikipedia's definition of a Christian missionary for your enlightenment
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mission

spartan117:

The fact that the name of the ship was Good ship jesus and the fact that it's captain John Hawkins was a religious zealot doesn't make him a Christian missionary my friend , he didn't come to Africa to propagate the gospel of christ he came to trade plain and simple. I spoke about such religious zealots in my previous post on this thread

The bible was never against slavery though

let's talk about slavery here

https://www.nairaland.com/3508437/god-jesus-didnt-forbid-slavery

https://www.nairaland.com/4405316/thank-god-slavery


so we don't derail this thread too much pleasw