Football is a neutral game and I'm a Barcelona fan. I also believe that Lionel Messi is the greatest footballer ever. I was delighted when Messi's sorcery saw off Chelsea in the champions league's Round of 16 a few days ago. I was particularly happy because of the hurt feelings of Chelsea fans. Prior to the match, there were several bants such as "Messi has never scored against Chelsea", "Chelsea knows how to handle Barcelona", "Hazard is on par with Messi". I'm happy that they can finally shut up for a long time.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/6843336_img20180315154016_jpegb4c4f082b81c78089ba6a26bd7a55ce1

Before the game between Barcelona and Chelsea, the lower Camp Nou stand was covered by a banner that read "God save the King", which is a wordplay on the famous British national anthem "God save the Queen". The implications of the fans was as clear as day, Lionel Messi is the King of Barcelona, Camp Nou, Champions league and football in general.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/6843219_img20180317140856_jpeg75e44c6d088de105ff4a5de091e2cc39

Messi reacted on instagram to the gesture of the fans writing "Thank you for this display of affection, reception and support throughout the game! Nice night!!! Let's go for more!.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/6843220_img20180317132955_jpeg0aea1481c88104f79771e6bcd4372903




Atheists complain often about religious people trying to force their God ideas down their throats in neutral settings such as schools, markets, workplaces etc and they have voiced out in several developed countries in order to protect themselves and their children from the "poison" of religion. Even though most people don't take them seriously, they take offences easily and make serious legal cases against religious activities, religious statues etc in developed countries. A few examples are shown below:

Sueing a President over religious freedom law

Sueing a school over bible course

Sueing an animal shelter


[url=https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2018/january/atheist-group-targets-secretive-white-house-cabinet-bible-study%3famp]Sueing a political cabinet for bible study[/url]

Sueing a chaplain

Sueing a judge over courtroom prayers

Sueing over religious electioneering

Sueing a city

Sueing the process of baptism

Sueing a political party

Sueing a high school over prayers

Sueing a football program

Sueing a christian cross image

Sueing for allowance of atheist weddings

Sueing a baker for refusing to bake an atheist wedding cake

Sueing a christian statue

getting God out of football

Sueing the Lords prayer

and several other legal cases of offence.

Its only in Nigeria and maybe nairaland that we have toothless dogs atheists, foreign atheists will take offence at almost any religious exercise, even a christmass banner and take legal action.

Well, we must give credit to Christianity and the freedom associated with it. They dare not try these in Islamic countries or even Buddhist countries and other religious environments else they will pay dearly.


Many people have theorized that because of the terribly minimal population of world atheists (2-5% of world's population), they try viciously to make their voices heard by means such as taking offences, making legal cases, teaming up with people with special sexual orientations, toxic feminists etc, all in a bid to increase their numbers and thereby make their voices heard.


So far I'm yet to see any objection from atheists to this phrase used by Barcelona fans in Camp Nou, especially considering the fact that even less harmful phrases have been heavily criticized by god-hating atheists in [url=https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/2018/january/atheists-seek-end-to-high-school-football-prayer-mdash-but-just-watch-the-amazing-way-these-students-react%3famp]developed countries[/url] and even here on nairaland religion section.


Yet, many atheists seem undisturbed by "deluded" religious people forcing down their the idea of a God down their throats in a neutral setting such as Camp Nou, Barcelona. It really got me thinking about why this could be so. I came up with just 3 possible reasons:

1. No one really cares, its just a sport.
But if this is the case, there have been atheistic organizations that fight against such prayer in a sports team.
2. It will constitute a nuisance if atheist voice out their discontent and people will see them for the "attention seeking" lot that they really are.
3. Atheists have no issues with religious people doing their thing in their religious circles, they are only concerned if religious people try to put their ideas to them in a neutral setting.
But the Barca vs Chelsea atmosphere was a perfect example of a neutral setting, and the Nairaland religion section is supposed to be an example of a religious circle. Yet we see actions contradicting this point.




I found the second possible reason most plausible. Several attention seeking atheists, as evident on nairaland, would rather cowardly pleasure in dwelling on a religious circle to spread their hatred for God and dehumanize God loving people, instead of addressing a set of persons spreading their God ideas in a neutral setting, reaching a larger number of people. What if atheist children were present at the Camp Nou stadium or watched the game on TV.
Doing this will obviously make the world see them for the attention seeking lot which they are and so its best to hide in religious circles and ridicule religious people and their beliefs.
The writing in the Camp Nou stadium is just one great example out of many, there are several other footballers, some of which are shown below, who have also demonstrated "deluded" religious activities and gestures on a neutral pitch. Activities and gestures which are enough for god-hating atheists to take offense and voice out. Unfortunately, cowards choose their battles carefully.


www.nairaland.com/attachments/6843210_img20180317161226_jpeg8588ea94111c535a110de7688b033555
www.nairaland.com/attachments/6843211_img20180317161013_jpeg5c0388fa400739d783268f7c42d8656a
www.nairaland.com/attachments/6843212_img20180317160952_jpeg627ae2b3ee50869041308073441f6738
www.nairaland.com/attachments/6843218_img20180317160844_jpeg4c34049616d3c3db646b18317aa14cf1
www.nairaland.com/attachments/6843217_img20180317160906_jpegf437dd39ffd082ecce627a357967f941
www.nairaland.com/attachments/6843213_img20180317160927_jpeg7ef87430b288d9bbde219990dbbcf0cf



Finally and I've said this before, majority of reasonable people do not really care what you don't believe or what you once believed. People care what you do believe and what you can do. This is one of the reasons why atheism has gained little traction throughout the history of humanity.
Many atheists on nairaland and in many parts of the world are specialized talkatives and nothing more. Only a microscopic percentage of atheists really show the world what they can do, people like Hawkings for instance. Ironically, the majority of atheists rely on what religious people can do and then bash them when they bring their religion into it. Sam Harris is a great example.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3984110_1192426810067715260335562532961286479769851n_png_jpege4d08bef683619458f0dde2448b8225f


If atheists are all they claim to be, "science oriented, covered in logic, baptized in reason, forerunners of development, custodians of truth etc. The world would have taken seriously the products of the small percentage of world atheists and begin to consider atheism as a valid worldview which promotes development since most atheists argue that religion represses development. The arguments for atheism till date has still not disproved it as a bleak, hopeless, worthless, senseless and odious worldview. I'm hoping atheists can work more and show us what they can do rather than attempt to cowardly bully religious people to accept their empty views. Maybe then, the world will begin to consider the importance of atheism, if there's indeed any.

Well said. For people who claim not to believe in God, it is baffling to make sense of atheists obsession with religion, especially Christianity.

I agree with you -- Lionel Messi is the greatest player ever.

Every other thing on your thread is rubbish really.
Atheists are bound by one thing only; lack of belief in God.
Every other act is up to each atheist. I know you have heard this before but you will still say rubbish.

HajimeSaito:
Well said. For people who claim not to believe in God, it is baffling to make sense of atheists obsession with religion, especially Christianity.

"Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God." - Heywood Broun

Ranchhoddas:
I agree with you -- Lionel Messi is the greatest player ever.

Every other thing on your thread is rubbish really.
Atheists are bound by one thing only; lack of belief in God.
Every other act is up to each atheist. I know you have heard this before but you will still say rubbish.

The same way you perceive it as rubbish is the same way I perceive what atheists do here in the religion section as rubbish.

How can atheists spend so much time on a religion section, talking constantly about a God they claim not to believe in, ridicule religious people and their beliefs and you don't consider that as rubbish

Think freely dude.

Lol. Ronaldo is the greatest ever.

winner01:


The same way you perceive it as rubbish is the same way I perceive what atheists do here in the religion section as rubbish.

How can atheists spend so much time on a religion section, talking constantly about a God they claim not to believe in, ridicule religious people and their beliefs and you don't consider that as rubbish

Think freely dude.

It's alright.
Freedom of perception is a fundamental human right I guess...

Evangkatsoulis:
Lol. Ronaldo is the greatest ever.

Blasphemy

winner01:
Football is a neutral game and I'm a Barcelona fan. I also believe that Lionel Messi is the greatest footballer ever. I was delighted when Messi's sorcery saw off Chelsea in the champions league's Round of 16 a few days ago. I was particularly happy because of the hurt feelings of Chelsea fans. Prior to the match, there were several bants such as "Messi has never scored against Chelsea", "Chelsea knows how to handle Barcelona", "Hazard is on par with Messi". I'm happy that they can finally shut up for a long time.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/6843336_img20180315154016_jpegb4c4f082b81c78089ba6a26bd7a55ce1

Before the game between Barcelona and Chelsea, the lower Camp Nou stand was covered by a banner that read "God save the King", which is a wordplay on the famous British national anthem "God save the Queen". The implications of the fans was as clear as day, Lionel Messi is the King of Barcelona, Camp Nou, Champions league and football in general.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/6843219_img20180317140856_jpeg75e44c6d088de105ff4a5de091e2cc39

Messi reacted on instagram to the gesture of the fans writing "Thank you for this display of affection, reception and support throughout the game! Nice night!!! Let's go for more!.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/6843220_img20180317132955_jpeg0aea1481c88104f79771e6bcd4372903




Atheists complain often about religious people trying to force their God ideas down their throats in neutral settings such as schools, markets, workplaces etc and they have voiced out in several developed countries in order to protect themselves and their children from the "poison" of religion. Even though most people don't take them seriously, they take offences easily and make serious legal cases against religious activities, religious statues etc in developed countries. A few examples are shown below:

Sueing a President over religious freedom law

Sueing a school over bible course

Sueing an animal shelter


[url=https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2018/january/atheist-group-targets-secretive-white-house-cabinet-bible-study%3famp]Sueing a political cabinet for bible study[/url]

Sueing a chaplain

Sueing a judge over courtroom prayers

Sueing over religious electioneering

Sueing a city

Sueing the process of baptism

Sueing a political party

Sueing a high school over prayers

Sueing a football program

Sueing a christian cross image

Sueing for allowance of atheist weddings

Sueing a baker for refusing to bake an atheist wedding cake

Sueing a christian statue

getting God out of football

Sueing the Lords prayer

and several other legal cases of offence.

Its only in Nigeria and maybe nairaland that we have toothless dogs atheists, foreign atheists will take offence at almost any religious exercise, even a christmass banner and take legal action.

Well, we must give credit to Christianity and the freedom associated with it. They dare not try these in Islamic countries or even Buddhist countries and other religious environments else they will pay dearly.


Many people have theorized that because of the terribly minimal population of world atheists (2-5% of world's population), they try viciously to make their voices heard by means such as taking offences, making legal cases, teaming up with people with special sexual orientations, toxic feminists etc, all in a bid to increase their numbers and thereby make their voices heard.


So far I'm yet to see any objection from atheists to this phrase used by Barcelona fans in Camp Nou, especially considering the fact that even less harmful phrases have been heavily criticized by god-hating atheists in [url=https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/2018/january/atheists-seek-end-to-high-school-football-prayer-mdash-but-just-watch-the-amazing-way-these-students-react%3famp]developed countries[/url] and even here on nairaland religion section.


Yet, many atheists seem undisturbed by "deluded" religious people forcing down their the idea of a God down their throats in a neutral setting such as Camp Nou, Barcelona. It really got me thinking about why this could be so. I came up with just 3 possible reasons:

1. No one really cares, its just a sport.
But if this is the case, there have been atheistic organizations that fight against such prayer in a sports team.
2. It will constitute a nuisance if atheist voice out their discontent and people will see them for the "attention seeking" lot that they really are.
3. Atheists have no issues with religious people doing their thing in their religious circles, they are only concerned if religious people try to put their ideas to them in a neutral setting.
But the Barca vs Chelsea atmosphere was a perfect example of a neutral setting, and the Nairaland religion section is supposed to be an example of a religious circle. Yet we see actions contradicting this point.




I found the second possible reason most plausible. Several attention seeking atheists, as evident on nairaland, would rather cowardly pleasure in dwelling on a religious circle to spread their hatred for God and dehumanize God loving people, instead of addressing a set of persons spreading their God ideas in a neutral setting, reaching a larger number of people. What if atheist children were present at the Camp Nou stadium or watched the game on TV.
Doing this will obviously make the world see them for the attention seeking lot which they are and so its best to hide in religious circles and ridicule religious people and their beliefs.
The writing in the Camp Nou stadium is just one great example out of many, there are several other footballers, some of which are shown below, who have also demonstrated "deluded" religious activities and gestures on a neutral pitch. Activities and gestures which are enough for god-hating atheists to take offense and voice out. Unfortunately, cowards choose their battles carefully.


www.nairaland.com/attachments/6843210_img20180317161226_jpeg8588ea94111c535a110de7688b033555
www.nairaland.com/attachments/6843211_img20180317161013_jpeg5c0388fa400739d783268f7c42d8656a
www.nairaland.com/attachments/6843212_img20180317160952_jpeg627ae2b3ee50869041308073441f6738
www.nairaland.com/attachments/6843218_img20180317160844_jpeg4c34049616d3c3db646b18317aa14cf1
www.nairaland.com/attachments/6843217_img20180317160906_jpegf437dd39ffd082ecce627a357967f941
www.nairaland.com/attachments/6843213_img20180317160927_jpeg7ef87430b288d9bbde219990dbbcf0cf



Finally and I've said this before, majority of reasonable people do not really care what you don't believe or what you once believed. People care what you do believe and what you can do. Many atheists on nairaland and in many parts of the world are specialized talkatives and nothing more. Only a microscopic percentage of atheists really show the world what they can do, people like Hawkings for instance. Ironically, the majority of atheists rely on what religious people can do and then bash them when they bring their religion into it.

If atheists are all they claim to be, "science oriented, covered in logic, baptized in reason, forerunners of development, custodians of truth etc. The world would have taken seriously the products of the small percentage of world atheists and begin to consider atheism as a valid worldview which promotes development since most atheists argue that religion represses development. The arguments for atheism till date has still not disproved it as a bleak, hopeless, worthless, senseless and odious worldview. I'm hoping atheists can work more and show us what they can do rather than attempt to cowardly bully religious people to accept their empty views. Maybe then, the world will begin to consider the importance of atheism, if there's indeed any.

Nice post winner01... You always hit them below the belt... Lol.

Hello sciencewatch, not sure I've introduced you to my friend winner01... He's a terror to atheists on nairaland, lol. If you listen carefully, you'll hear them PRAYING for him not to be on the RELIGIOUS section... He is never nice with them.
Well I think the op is a better description of what I'm trying to say. Enjoy!

Evangkatsoulis:
Lol. Ronaldo is the greatest ever.

Lol. You don't watch football

Ranchhoddas:
It's alright.
Freedom of perception is a fundamental human right I guess...

Do you agree that freedom of religious beliefs is also a fundamental human right?

sonofthunder:


Nice post winner01... You always hit them below the belt... Lol.

Hello sciencewatch, not sure I've introduced you to my friend winner01... He's a terror to atheists on nairaland, lol. If you listen carefully, you'll hear them PRAYING for him not to be on the RELIGIOUS section... He is never nice with them.
Well I think the op is a better description of what I'm trying to say. Enjoy!

I greet you Sir

winner01:
Do you agree that freedom of religious beliefs is also a fundamental human right?

I do.
Refer to my first before you say what I know you are about to say.

Ranchhoddas:
I do.
Refer to my first before you say what I know you are about to say.

You know what I'm about to say

I need not say anything further then

winner01:
I greet you Sir

I greet you "righteously" sir!

sonofthunder:


I greet you "righteously" sir!

Thanks Bro. How's it going?

winner01:
Thanks Bro. How's it going?

very well sir. how's your end?

sonofthunder:

very well sir. how's your end?

Not bad, just relieving the win against Chelsea and bam! I saw something's atheists will likely ridicule if it was the topic of a nairaland thread.

I've always been saying it, Messi is the greatest player ever, thanks OP.
Well, for the other part, your post makes complete sense.

I've always been saying it, Messi is the greatest player ever, thanks OP.
Well, for the other part, your post makes complete sense.

Born is the king was in Stamford bridge. Did God saved the king that was born in Stamford bridge on the pitch in camp nou?
I don't think so

I'm not trying to sound like an atheist but the truth is, in our obscure African minds we misinterprete every little figurative language we see anywhere including those ones in the bible

Understand the meaning of the inscription, it wasn't religious based in anyway, it was all about the glory.

Remember, there are rules against religious based inscriptions currently adopted by world football bodies, that still stands. That's why you don't see things like thank you Jesus on inner verses of celebrating players anymore.

Stampford bridge has been glorified over camp nau for too long, but on that very day, LIONEL MESSI plucked down that glory.

Brother op, i don't know what you are thinking

Messi is a great footballer. That is the only fact in the op.

Everything else is rubbish. Who cares if players and their fans pray? They have the right to follow their faith as long as it does not stop me from doing my business.

paxonel:
Born is the king was in Stamford bridge. Did God saved the king that was born in Stamford bridge on the pitch in camp nou?
I don't think so

I'm not trying to sound like an atheist but the truth is, in our obscure African minds we misinterprete every little figurative language we see anywhere including those ones in the bible

Understand the meaning of the inscription, it wasn't religious based in anyway, it was all about the glory.

Remember, there are rules against religious based inscriptions currently adopted by world football bodies, that still stands. That's why you don't see things like thank you Jesus on inner verses of celebrating players anymore.

Stampford bridge has been glorified over camp nau for too long, but on that very day, LIONEL MESSI plucked down that glory.

Brother op, i don't know what you are thinking

I don't care if a king was saved or not. I've made my point clear. There was a large inscription which ordinarily should make god-hating atheists raise an eyebrow considering the fact that they sue almost everything that has an element of god in it even if it is religious or not.

When you speak about obscure African minds, please limit it to yourself, I've drawn a red line and I gave enough examples of atheists obsession with anything remotely God. I gave an example of an harmless religious post on nairaland when the Op simply tried to thank God for his life and he was ridiculed for it.

What proof do you have that a simple sentence like "God save me" is not religiously inclined but glorious. Are deluded people now free to use the word God in a neutral setting or am I just meant to believe what you think the inscription meant

And Ive been too busy enjoying the game of football, i didn't know there were rules against players celebrating by exercising their freedom of religious beliefs, please give me proof, enlighten me

www.nairaland.com/attachments/2962724_mzdherbie612982_jpeg_jpegf3cb2ed0d3ce285716fa228e7525270a

www.nairaland.com/attachments/2963052_tumblrlz92i6ed0p1rptlhgo1500_jpg727a3eeee358b685804b6e4d73ab39fa

superhumanist:
Messi is a great footballer. That is the only fact in the op.

Everything else is rubbish. Who cares if players and their fans pray? They have the right to follow their faith as long as it does not stop me from doing my business.

Im a barcelona fan. Do you care if I pray and post my prayers in the nairaland religion section?
Think twice before you answer, I'll dig up proof for you

As far as I'm concerned, most atheists are stopped from doing their buisness , that's why they seem to dwell on a religion section to ridicule religious people and their beliefs.

A lot of my threads have been called rubbish by atheists and its not new, once an atheist does not agree with something, it becomes rubbish

The irony of the atheists claim to be a freethinker is, if you do not think like an atheist, then you're no longer a freethinker

winner01:
I don't care if a king was saved or not. I've made my point clear. There was a large inscription which ordinarily should make god-hating atheists raise an eyebrow considering the fact that they sue almost everything that has an element of god in it even if it is religious or not.

When you speak about obscure African minds, please limit it to yourself, I've drawn a red line and I gave enough examples of atheists obsession with anything remotely God. I gave an example of an harmless religious post on nairaland when the Op simply tried to thank God for his life and he was ridiculed for it.

What proof do you have that a simple sentence like "God save me" is not religiously inclined but glorious. Are deluded people now free to use the word God in a neutral setting or am I just meant to believe what you think the inscription meant

And Ive been too busy enjoying the game of football, i didn't know there were rules against players celebrating by exercising their freedom of religious beliefs, please give me proof, enlighten me

www.nairaland.com/attachments/2962724_mzdherbie612982_jpeg_jpegf3cb2ed0d3ce285716fa228e7525270a

www.nairaland.com/attachments/2963052_tumblrlz92i6ed0p1rptlhgo1500_jpg727a3eeee358b685804b6e4d73ab39fa

These are old pictures man, don't give me old pictures. The rule was endorsed last year 2017.

Take a look at what happened to Odion Ighodalo and NFF who did not comply

http://owngoalnigeria.com/2017/09/03/fifa-to-fine-nigeria-over-thank-you-jesus-written-on-ighalos-shirt-during-goal-celebration/

paxonel:

These are old pictures man, don't give me old pictures. The rule was endorsed last year 2017.

Take a look at what happened to Odion Ighodalo and NFF who did not comply

http://owngoalnigeria.com/2017/09/03/fifa-to-fine-nigeria-over-thank-you-jesus-written-on-ighalos-shirt-during-goal-celebration/

Your first picture is just a picture, send me a valid link let me read the rule.

If truly FIFA has placed a sanction on religious inscriptions amongst football players, then its only logical that the sanctions be tighter when it involves a football club and its stadium. God ideas especially should not be visible nor spread, don't you think
I'm only hoping that inscriptions alone are sanctioned and not certain goal jubilations. There are still several footballers that point to a "sky daddy" when they score

That being said, how be it that:
"God thank you" will receive a backlash from atheists and "God save the King" will be allowed to slide. Is there something I'm missing.
And this is my main point. If God expressions are criticized in neutral settings, like the multitude of examples I gave in the op, then surely the inscription on camp nou was enough reason to attract criticism.
I don't think atheists will raise an eyebrow over the fine game of football though, I expect them to keep scavenging cowardly for online religious sections and keep ridiculing religious people and their beliefs.

In reality, we have more "deluded" religious people on the football pitch than online so why cowardly bully religious people online. I mean, just look at Messi, his own level of delusion strong pass that of most Nigerians. He tattooed a Jewish carpenter on his body. Most religious people in Nigeria won't go to the extent of tattooing a Jewish carpenter on their bodies

www.nairaland.com/attachments/2967740_images7_jpeg3fe0eb64a955bc7956460a036f6d581a

I'm only wondering why atheists choose their battles cowardly.

winner01:
I don't care if a king was saved or not.

this shows you do not care about football either or you following what has been happening in Chelsea, therefore you do not care to know why Barcelona fans brought out that inscription.

I've made my point clear. There was a large inscription which ordinarily should make god-hating atheists raise an eyebrow considering the fact that they sue almost everything that has an element of god in it even if it is religious or not.

your point is clearly fallacious! How does God-hating atheists relate to the inscription by Barcelona fans?
May be you should get your example somewhere else because there is never a report that, that inscription has made any God-hating atheist raise any eyebrow or sue the inscription because it was never religious based. If the inscription was religious based, don't worry, it's not even atheists that will sue it, Barcelona as a club world have been sanctioned for that single act.

When you speak about obscure African minds, please limit it to yourself

from your conclusion about the inscription at Barcelona you have proven to be one of those obscure African minds who never understood the meaning of the inscription or even care to understand what Chelsea fans will write BORN IS THE KING. yet, you are taking it as one of your example. It's not like that o. I bet, you will never get your result against God-hating atheists by this approach.

I've drawn a red line and I gave enough examples of atheists obsession with anything remotely God

I'm not disputing other examples you gave,you may be right. But the Barcelona inscription you gave as example is a wrong example.
The funny thing is, there are some of the fans behind that inscription GOD SAVE THE KING who are conc atheists.
Pastors in Nigerian churches makes exactly this kind of mistakes. They read especially the bible figurative languages without understanding.
They don't care to understand, all they know is religion.
that's my problem
It's a very big problem to Nigeria intellectually.

paxonel:

your point is clearly fallacious! How does God-hating atheists relate to the inscription by Barcelona fans?
May be you should get your example somewhere else because there is never a report that, that inscription has made any God-hating atheist raise any eyebrow or sue the inscription because it was never religious based. If the inscription was religious based, don't worry, it's not even atheists that will sue it, Barcelona as a club world have been sanctioned for that single act.

If you're not in a hurry to reply, you'll see a few examples I gave in the Op on atheist organizations suing religious inscriptions and activities in a neutral setting.

paxonel:

from your conclusion about the inscription at Barcelona you have proven to be one of those obscure African minds who never understood the meaning of the inscription or even care to understand what Chelsea fans will write BORN IS THE KING. yet, you are taking it as one of your example. It's not like that o. I bet, you will never get your result against God-hating atheists by this approach.

I'm an African and proud to be one, you seem to be suffering from inferiority complex. I gave examples and made a logical point. You only need to read and understand well, something not common amongst many Nigerians.

paxonel:
.
I'm not disputing other examples you gave,you may be right. But the Barcelona inscription you gave as example is a wrong example.
The funny thing is, there are some of the fans behind that inscription GOD SAVE THE KING who are conc atheists.

Is Barcelona not a neutral setting?
I expect many Barcelona fans to be atheists or conc atheists. I'm only wondering why they choose their battles cowardly

paxonel:

Pastors in Nigerian churches makes exactly this kind of mistakes. They read especially the bible figurative languages without understanding.
They don't care to understand, all they know is religion.
that's my problem
It's a very big problem to Nigeria intellectually.

Then thats the problem of yourself and that of your pastors.
I've made my point. Don't be a specialized talkative.

winner01:


The same way you perceive it as rubbish is the same way I perceive what atheists do here in the religion section as rubbish.

How can atheists spend so much time on a religion section, talking constantly about a God they claim not to believe in, ridicule religious people and their beliefs and you don't consider that as rubbish

Think freely dude.

To sway the minds of the few who doubt.

It's part of why we exist in any numbers at all. It's also part of the reason most developed countries no longer put us in jail for it. Religion is a plague of the mind, and, like other plagues, it has a worrying tendency to spread. Unlike atheism, who's primary defense is reasoning and argument, religions like Christianity and ESPECIALLY Islam can only ultimately defend their faiths through bullying, censorship, and violence. There is a reason why prominent atheist scientists and philosophers in antiquity had none of their works survive outside references or quotes within other writings - it's because their books were burnt by the later generations of fanatics that proceeded them.

Atheism is just a facet of rationalism and scientific thought. You say that atheists are ridiculing religious beliefs. Well, I think it's ridicule to the entire human species and to modern civilization itself, that we have as much collective academic and social progress as we have achieved today, over thousands of years of mathematical and scientific development, yet the majority of the human population still believes in magical sky gods, yet millions of people around the globe believe that thieves should have their hands chopped off because a magical book says so, where there are millions of people who believe in jihad against non-believers and murdering apostates, where millions of people believe that god is real and performs miracles for them, with people doing things as crazy as praying next to a fire to put it out, where millions of people right in Nigeria believe in coveted and greedy criminal religious pastors who soak up their money and live double-lives of fake piety and sleazy luxury while convincing the duped Naijans who attend their churches and gatherings to seek nothing but the nonexistent god for help in their often poor and precarious situations.

God is not real, and thus, the religions which build themselves around him lose all theological (and logical) authority. God does not belong in a modern day government. The Bolsheviks were ahead of their time with their crushing of the insanely backwards, pogrom generating Russian Orthodox Church, which has been one-sidedly depicted as negative and a denial of religious freedom by Cold War US propaganda and more recently, Russian nationalist Putinsky romanticistic propaganda, ignoring the huge and dangerous sway the Church had over the wider peasant and robotnik population, along with its deep connection to the imperial and land-owning elite.

"Religion is the opiate of the masses". It is, far more than a set of reasonless societal rituals based around reverence for non-existent gods and arbitrary religious law, a tool to keep people fulfilled when they should not feel fulfilled.

Brazil always pray before their matches, including the won where they lost 7-1.

Nigeria always pray before their matches. Well, you can judge for yourself.

Fegelfire:


To sway the minds of the few who doubt.

its human to doubt, some of the disciples of Jesus doubted him. How you deal with doubt is what matters.

Fegelfire:

It's part of why we exist in any numbers at all. It's also part of the reason most developed countries no longer put us in jail for it. Religion is a plague of the mind, and, like other plagues, it has a worrying tendency to spread. Unlike atheism, who's primary defense is reasoning and argument, religions like Christianity and ESPECIALLY Islam can only ultimately defend their faiths through bullying, censorship, and violence. There is a reason why prominent atheist scientists and philosophers in antiquity had none of their works survive outside references or quotes within other writings - it's because their books were burnt by the later generations of fanatics that proceeded them.

Doubt is not part of why we exist. Its also not the reason why you're not jailed. Most of those majority christian countries do not jail you because of the freedom associated with Christianity.

All you are saying is questionable and even atheism have been shown to be more violent that all religions put together. There have been atheist states that sought to eradicate all religious beliefs and I proved their outcomes here:
https://www.nairaland.com/2988881/atheism-terrorism-annihilation-quest-atheistic

Its is innate and natural for humans to question their existence and reach for the supernatural in the process. Its why atheism has gained extremely low traction throughout the history of humanity. Its why if religion is left to itself, it spreads like wildfire.

"If atheism spread, it would become a religion as intolerable as the ancient ones." --Gustave le Bon

This quote goes on to justify what atheists do on the nairaland religion section. Intolerance is a part of atheism just as I also proved here:

https://www.nairaland.com/3176513/atheist-murderers-past-present-murderous

Fegelfire:


Atheism is just a facet of rationalism and scientific thought. You say that atheists are ridiculing religious beliefs. Well, I think it's ridicule to the entire human species and to modern civilization itself, that we have as much collective academic and social progress as we have achieved today, over thousands of years of mathematical and scientific development, yet the majority of the human population still believes in magical sky gods, yet millions of people around the globe believe that thieves should have their hands chopped off because a magical book says so, where there are millions of people who believe in jihad against non-believers and murdering apostates, where millions of people believe that god is real and performs miracles for them, with people doing things as crazy as praying next to a fire to put it out, where millions of people right in Nigeria believe in coveted and greedy criminal religious pastors who soak up their money and live double-lives of fake piety and sleazy luxury while convincing the duped Naijans who attend their churches and gatherings to seek nothing but the nonexistent god for help in their often poor and precarious situations.

Atheism has nothing to do with science or rationalism. This is a seriously bigoted statement. Majority of world renowned scientists have been deeply religious and even most of the fields of science today was founded by religious persons, I proved that here:

https://www.nairaland.com/2975009/christianity-reason-science

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If you're talking about Jihad, shouldn't you be on the Islamic section or are you not bothered about the numbers of lives lost to Islamic fundamentalism all over the world?

Most of the issues of luxurious Nigerian pastors is your problem and not the problem of many Christians who pay them. How is it my business or yours? How has that affected the development of the nation? Is religion what also affected politicians who are bent on looting the nation dry?
China, Russia, USA and other countries have more numbers of Christians than Nigeria, why are they not backward?
Why does the black man not see his fundamental problem and chooses to blame just anything for his Woes

Fegelfire:


God is not real, and thus, the religions which build themselves around him lose all theological (and logical) authority. God does not belong in a modern day government. The Bolsheviks were ahead of their time with their crushing of the insanely backwards, pogrom generating Russian Orthodox Church, which has been one-sidedly depicted as negative and a denial of religious freedom by Cold War US propaganda and more recently, Russian nationalist Putinsky romanticistic propaganda, ignoring the huge and dangerous sway the Church had over the wider peasant and robotnik population, along with its deep connection to the imperial and land-owning elite.

All your hand waving statements are nothing but yours and yours alone. A religious person can also hand wave and say "Atheism is invalid" and sound exactly as bigoted as you are. Zero proofs. Your idea of religion is yours and there are obvious reasons why majority of the worlds population do not take you seriously.

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Do you have an idea of the number of lives lost to the Russian madness on religion in the 20th century. I doubt you do, if not you'll understand why many Russians today would fear to go back to such bloodshed era. You can check here for the madness that happened in Russia if you don't already know.
https://www.nairaland.com/3232176/atheist-presidents-heads-state-quick

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If you think those lives were lost due to a political ideology (communism) instead of atheism, I proved here that atheism was what drove those Russian leaders mad.
https://www.nairaland.com/3283286/communist-leaders-atheists-there-difference

Fegelfire:


"Religion is the opiate of the masses". It is, far more than a set of reasonless societal rituals based around reverence for non-existent gods and arbitrary religious law, a tool to keep people fulfilled when they should not feel fulfilled.

The fact that atheist chorus this does not make it valid or correct. There are religious people who also think a " lack of belief in God" is the true opium of the masses. And really, there are scores of things the world would have done if it was certain that there is no higher authority. Mostly immoral things.

Take a look at this quote:
"Atheism is a crutch for those who cannot bear the reality of God. "-Tom Stoppard

Not so different from " Religion is the opium of the masses". Several years of chorusing does not change anything.

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Your idea of what religion is or should be is yours and honestly no one really cares.
Atheism is so baseless and empty that you seek to affiliate it with reason, logic, science etc. Why can't you talk about atheism and what it is? Why talk about what its not
This thread was simply about atheistic nuisance and you proceeded to sell your idea of religion to me, why can't you talk about your atheism

Monksarnn got it right when he said: "Atheist's don't exist. If you ask anyone why they are an atheist they will proceed to explain their religion of non belief."

Look at the earlier reply of one of your brothers:

Ranchhoddas:

Atheists are bound by one thing only; lack of belief in God..

And truly, this is what the definition of atheism is according to many atheists? Why are you desperately seeking to affiliate other fields to atheism. I guess atheism can't stand on its own and has nothing at its core like I showed here:

https://www.nairaland.com/3232251/what-exactly-atheism-done-humanity

Focus on the thread which is atheistic nuisance, I do not care what your opinion on religion is, neither do many other reasonable people.

CoolUsername:
Brazil always pray before their matches, including the won where they lost 7-1.

Nigeria always pray before their matches. Well, you can judge for yourself.

Bullsh*t...What is this supposed to mean?

Who is talking about prayers?