asuustrike2009:

To answer your question,
1. Dr Olukoya got his PhD in Molecular Genetics at the University of Reading, United Kingdom.
2. Those developed countries made sacrifices to get to where they are. USA for example dedicated their country to God. This is as a result of fervent prayers from top pastors. Their prayers made way for them. Secondly their kind of voodooism rarely causes havoc like ours as they use their for good things. The whites aren't different from us except for skin colour.

How then do you explain that almost all those behind USA technological innovations and advantage are either atheists or not conventionally religious? (Like NL's Seun)

BTW I'm impressed he has a real Ph.D. I see too many of these "Dr" pastors who can barely speak English.

asuustrike2009:
Citation indeed! Why didn't you ask for the first one

provide the one is asked for

ameri9ja:


How then do you explain that almost all those behind USA technological innovations and advantage are either atheists or not conventionally religious? (Like NL's Seun)

BTW I'm impressed he has a real Ph.D. I see too many of these "Dr" pastors who can barely speak English.

Those who are atheist were once Christians and Muslims. They had Bible and Koran knowledge but were frustrated by the challenge of life. The technological innovations you see around can be likened to the more you look the less you see. There are many things that goes behind the scene that these persons don't reveal. They only deceive the masses with hard labour to turn away people's mind.

Tozara:
You didn't answer my question. What is eternal bliss? What kind of bliss would be obtainable in paradise that would last forever?

How can anyone enjoy eternal bliss, and of what nature would that bliss be?

I want to answer you based on my assumption that you're asking to learn.

Ask yourself, if a piece of red meat was thrown on the floor, why would a dog rush at it, whereas a goat wouldn't bulge?
It's the nature.

The sinful nature in a natural man is what causes all kinds of evil covetousness and cravings in him. By evil I mean, having your own wife with whom you've taken an oath of fidelity, yet running around to seek illicit sex with others, including people's wives. The cravings could be as bad as wanting the death of another purely out of envy.

When your nature becomes renewed, you find that you only desire things that are right and not more. Meanwhile, God doesn't forbid Christian to have sex, wine and dine well, or have good cars and enjoy great music. as a Christian, I do all those.
Alcohol and tobacco, go outside the bible to medicine, and check out their effects on your health. why then would you want them?

When we get to heaven, we'll have a totally new nature, and we'll be in a totally new environment, albeit awesome.

Our bliss at that time will be the utter satisfaction of every desire that springs from our new nature, and the total absence of anything that brings dissatisfaction.

I'm not sure of all those things are specifically, but I don't have to. All I know is that whatever my nature at that time desires-singing, running around, building stuffs- whatever they are, I'll get them FULLY satisfied.

asuustrike2009:

Those who are atheist were once Christians and Muslims. They had Bible and Koran knowledge but were frustrated by the challenge of life. The technological innovations you see around can be likened to the more you look the less you see. There are many things that goes behind the scene that these persons don't reveal. They only deceive the masses with hard labour to turn away people's mind.

I think u r mistaken. I think it is because spirituality, faith, the supernatural, cannot be explained by science and logic, and these are people totally immersed in science and logic.

awesomeJ:

I want to answer you based on my assumption that you're asking to learn.

Ask yourself, if a piece of red meat is thrown on the floor, why would a dog rush at it, whereas a gaat wouldn't bulge?
It's the nature.

The sinful nature in a natural man is what causes all kinds of evil covetousness and cravings in him. By evil I mean, having your own wife with whom you've taken an oath of fidelity, yet running around to seek illicit sex with others, including people's wives. The cravings could be as bad as wanting the death of another purely out of envy.

When your nature becomes renewed, you find that you only desire things that are right and not more. Meanwhile, God doesn't forbid Christian to have sex, wine and dine well, or have good cars and enjoy great music. as a Christian, I do all those.
Alcohol and tobacco, go outside the bible to medicine, and check out their effects on your health. why then would you want them?

When we get to heaven, we'll have a totally new nature, and we'll be in a totally new environment, albeit awesome.

Our bliss at that time will be the utter satisfaction of every desire that springs from our new nature, and the total absence of anything that brings dissatisfaction.

I'm not sure of all those things are specifically, but I don't have to. All I know is that whatever my nature at that time desires-singing, running around, building stuffs- whatever they are, I'll get them FULLY satisfied.

In addition to all that you mentioned, Boko Haram people also believe they will also get 72 virgins. How do u explain that?

Tozara:
You

Even honey begins to taste sour when taken constantly for years, and the beautic vision of the Catholic heaven, the bliss of the Protestant paradise, or the luxury of the Islamic Firdaus begins to turn horrific, ugly, and bitter after billions or trillions of years must have passed. Those admitted into heaven after fulfilling all righteousness would suddenly find themekves in a horrific hell of boredom, tedium and stasis.

How can anyone enjoy eternal bliss, and of what nature would that bliss be?

And about your talk on boredom,

what's the summary of the average man's life. wakes up, goes to work, returns home to family, next day repeats the same, yet how many people have you heard quitting their lives for its boredom.

Just look at how God arranges just a few things Eyes, nose, mouth, chin and all, yet he permutes these 5-6 things in more than 20 billion ways as opposed to 120-720 ways that science suggests.

or look at mere thumb print, just a few lines, yet he alters them in several billion ways.

Those should make you realize that even if we get to do just a few activities in heaven for trillions upon trillions of years, they'll never be boring.

The biggest lie the devil ever told is convincing the world he never exists . Only the wise will know the deep meaning of this statement

awesomeJ:

Yours is such a weak argument.

He didn't say "prayers develop all nations"

He said "prayers developed the US"

so bringing an argument about some countries that were developed without prayers doesn't form a suitable counterargument.

He didn't say nations couldn't develop without prayers.

By the way you can't be so sure that all those countries actually developed without prayers. Because just for the sake of one man out of the millions in a nation, God can decide to bless the entire nation. So there may have been one, two, or a few persons in those nations whose prayers had significant effects on the nations' prosperity.

Egypt rescued the world of famine at the time, how many of them prayed. Maybe just Joseph and a few others, and certainly the prayers were what gave the wisdom as regards how they could cope with the situation.

Which is why I'm asking, if prayers developed the US. How about other countries? And where is the evidence to prove that prayers developed the US?

At red: I'm very sure, because Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore and Park of S.Korea did not pray to have their countries to be developed. And if because of one or two persons, how about Nigeria? We've multitudes of such persons!!!

Prayers have never developed a country, I wonder where you folks get such point from.

asuustrike2009:
The technological innovations you see around can be likened to the more you look the less you see. There are many things that goes behind the scene that these persons don't reveal.

Please respect yourself and stop these outlandish claims. If I ask you to provide proof for these, you will become bereft of answers.

Let me ask you one simple question, Blockchain technology is a new innovative tech that will revolutionise the Fintech industry, provide proof that it is the more you look the less you see as claimed by you.

asuustrike2009:

Those who are atheist were once Christians and Muslims. They had Bible and Koran knowledge but were frustrated by the challenge of life.

How did you arrive at this conclusion? I am interested in the steps you took in arriving at it...

Gerrard59:


Which is why I'm asking, if prayers developed the US. How about other countries? And where is the evidence to prove that prayers developed the US?

At red: I'm very sure, because Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore and Park of S.Korea did not pray to have their countries to be developed. And if because of one or two persons, how about Nigeria? We've multitudes of such persons!!!

Prayers have never developed a country, I wonder where you folks get such point from.

Asking "how about other countries?" is the fault in your argument.

If I flew last week to Abuja.
and you drove there, while your folks took a ferry there.

If I then say "A flight got me to Abuja"

it'd be silly of you to ask "how about us?" as your way of countering my statement.

The fact that some countries may not have prayed to get their development has nothing to do with the fact that the US got hers through prayers.

awesomeJ:

I want to answer you based on my assumption that you're asking to learn.

Ask yourself, if a piece of red meat was thrown on the floor, why would a dog rush at it, whereas a goat wouldn't bulge?
It's the nature.

The sinful nature in a natural man is what causes all kinds of evil covetousness and cravings in him. By evil I mean, having your own wife with whom you've taken an oath of fidelity, yet running around to seek illicit sex with others, including people's wives. The cravings could be as bad as wanting the death of another purely out of envy.

When your nature becomes renewed, you find that you only desire things that are right and not more. Meanwhile, God doesn't forbid Christian to have sex, wine and dine well, or have good cars and enjoy great music. as a Christian, I do all those.
Alcohol and tobacco, go outside the bible to medicine, and check out their effects on your health. why then would you want them?

When we get to heaven, we'll have a totally new nature, and we'll be in a totally new environment, albeit awesome.

Our bliss at that time will be the utter satisfaction of every desire that springs from our new nature, and the total absence of anything that brings dissatisfaction.

I'm not sure of all those things are specifically, but I don't have to. All I know is that whatever my nature at that time desires-singing, running around, building stuffs- whatever they are, I'll get them FULLY satisfied.

After beating about the bush, you finally returned to the crux of my question in the closing sentences of your post.

So, in simple terms, we'll just be living like animals in heaven, but without the baggage of the jungle-like struggle that obtains in the mortal world. You'll get your heart desires instantly. You won't need to put in effort or struggle. Hyper-instant gratification would be the order of the day. There would be no need to commit to anything noble, since everything is already perfect and already in place, so no useful energy to expend on anything out of place. You'll be happy at all times, without a single instant of dissastifaction or displeasure. It all comes to you without any effort.

I guess you won't have to defecate? I reckon there would be no toilets. Or perhaps, the heavenly paradise would already have a drainage system in place for handling the eternal influx of infinite quantity of divine poop. You won't need to work. You won't need to sweat. You just enjoy yourself, and you do not need to do anything to get that enjoyment. There would be no pain amidst the ocean of luxury.

What about sports? Art? Philosophy? Maths? And all other things that make us human? Only the animal part of us that seeks instant gratification and the path of least resistance remains? And this is what you call "eternal bliss?" I'm convinced Abrahamism was designed precisely for people like you. The earlier you see the delusion inherent in the idea, the sooner you'll realize you've been scammed, and the better it would be for you. It all seems like the fantasy of a naive 5-year-old that doesn't know what he's talking about.

""Work, worry, toil and trouble are indeed the lot of almost all men their whole life long. And yet if every desire were satisfied as soon as it arose how would men occupy their lives, how would they pass the time? Imagine this race transported to a Utopia where everything grows of its own accord and turkeys fly around ready roasted, where lovers find one another without any delay and keep one another without any difficulty: in such a place some men would die of boredom or hang themselves, some would fight and kill one another, and thus they would create for themselves more suffering than nature inflicts on them as it is. Thus for a race such as this, no stage, no form of existence is suitable other than the one it already possesses."

@Gerrard59,
And about the folks you mentioned for Singapore and South Korea. The fact that they were the ones who played some major roles at turning their nations' fortunes around for good is still no proof that no one in those countries prayed. So, YOU CAN'T BE SURE. The way God works in answering prayers is such that he uses whoever is available regardless of their faith stance.

In 2016, we were having one of our worst currency crisis as a nation, I prayed seriously and consistently about it. Praying specifically for oil prices to rebound from a low of about $27.

Months after, God used the OPEC and RUSSIA as well as the CBN's monetary policy committee to grant my answers. To you it would seem like there was no prayer, but I really did pray passionately about it and look at us today 360 from 525.
Reserves almost doubling over the same timeframe.

Experts forecast at the time that oil couldn't rise above $50 for the next few years, this year we've been closer to 70 than we've been to 60.

Not knowing about my prayers, you would have jumped to the conclusion that no one prayed, which would have been a gross falsity.

Tozara:
After beating about the bush, you finally returned to the crux of my question in the closing sentences of your post.

So, in simple terms, we'll just be living like animals in heaven, but without the baggage of the jungle-like struggle that obtains in the mortal world. You'll get your heart desires instantly. You won't need to put in effort or struggle. Hyper-instant gratification would be the other of the day. There would be no need to commit to anything noble, since everything is already perfect and already in place, so no useful energy to expend on anything out of place. You'll be happy at all times, without a single instant of dissastifaction or displeasure. It all comes to you without any effort.

I guess you won't have to defecate? I reckon there would be no toilets. Or perhaps, the heavenly paradise would already have a drainage system in place for handling the eternal influx of infinite quantity of divine poop. You won't need to work. You won't need to sweat. You just enjoy yourself, and you do not need to do anything to get that enjoyment. There would be no pain amidst the ocean of luxury.

What about sports? Art? Philosophy? Maths? And all other things that make us human? Only the animal part of us that seeks instant gratification and the path of least resistance remains? And this is what you call "eternal bliss?" I'm convinced Abrahamism was designed precisely for people like you. The earlier you see the delusion inherent in the idea, the sooner you'll realize you've been scammed, and the better it would be for you. It all seems like the fantasy of a naive 5-year-old that doesn't know what he's talking about.

""Work, worry, toil and trouble are indeed the lot of almost all men their whole life long. And yet if every desire were satisfied as soon as it arose how would men occupy their lives, how would they pass the time? Imagine this race transported to a Utopia where everything grows of its own accord and turkeys fly around ready roasted, where lovers find one another without any delay and keep one another without any difficulty: in such a place some men would die of boredom or hang themselves, some would fight and kill one another, and thus they would create for themselves more suffering than nature inflicts on them as it is. Thus for a race such as this, no stage, no form of existence is suitable other than the one it already possesses."

ARTHUR SCHOPENHAUER

only response to your epistle is "No, you probably wouldn't"
Cos it doesn't seem like you're ready to be there yet.
I however hope for your fundamentals to change that you may make it.

awesomeJ:


Asking "how about other countries?" is the fault in your argument.

If I flew last week to Abuja.
and you drove there, while your folks took a ferry there.

If I then say "A flight got me to Abuja"

it'd be silly of you to ask "how about us?" as your way of countering my statement.

The fact that some countries may not have prayed to get their development has nothing to do with the fact that the US got hers through prayers.

Which has no evidence to prove?

Gerrard59:

Which has no evidence to prove?

Dig thoroughly into their history, you'll find yourself some.

awesomeJ:

only response to your epistle is "No, you probably wouldn't"
Cos it doesn't seem like you're ready to be there yet.
I however hope for your fundamentals to change that you may make it.

Oh, boy. It's not easy to escape from Jesus. I understand your situation.

It was miraculous that I managed to tell off the gay messiah before he could penetrate my anus. He has infected you with a delusion that would take long to cure.

Any bromance with Jesus Christ in the name of a "personal relationship" is the height of spiritual faggøtry that infects you with intellectual HIV.

Satanic witchcraft ,eheeen！
as i read the caption as i say ,this is tautology,like saying ,demonic devil,luciferous satan,demonic lucifer or satanic devil or even satanic demons
bro no be same same

since the problem is identitied,is it that the govt cant do anything ,if govt should ,we are waiting
if i must pray for goct to do something ,am i bn rewarded for another who is been pais to protect

awesomeJ:
If I flew last week to Abuja.
and you drove there, while your folks took a ferry there.
If I then say "A flight got me to Abuja"
it'd be silly of you to ask "how about us?" as your way of countering my statement.

The fact that some countries may not have prayed to get their development has nothing to do with the fact that the US got hers through prayers.

stupid analogy

The transport method you used can be demonstrated and proven to have gotten you there but there's NO way to demonstrate prayer was responsible for US development and the hypothesis that prayer developed the US runs into problem when one takes a look at countries like China, Vietnam, Japan etc

Saying prayer for sure got the US to where they are is the type of nonsense that'll be accepted when your fellow deluded Christians are gathered and under groupthink

awesomeJ:
@Gerrard59,
And about the folks you mentioned for Singapore and South Korea. The fact that they were the ones who played some major roles at turning their nations' fortunes around for good is still no proof that no one in those countries prayed. So, YOU CAN'T BE SURE. The way God works in answering prayers is such that he uses whoever is available regardless of their faith stance.

In 2016, we were having one of our worst currency crisis as a nation, I prayed seriously and consistently about it. Praying specifically for oil prices to rebound from a low of about $27.

Months after, God used the OPEC and RUSSIA as well as the CBN's monetary policy committee to grant my answers. To you it would seem like there was no prayer, but I really did pray passionately about it and look at us today 360 from 525.
Reserves almost doubling over the same timeframe.

Experts forecast at the time that oil couldn't rise above $50 for the next few years, this year we've been closer to 70 than we've been to 60.

Not knowing about my prayers, you would have jumped to the conclusion that no one prayed, which would have been a gross falsity.

Sorry, but this ends it. Instead of a nation's leaders to diversify the economy from oil, we get folks praying for OPEC and Russia to decrease output. Even when both nations had issues with their revenues' target and had no option than to cooperate. So what about when oil gets her value and demand reduced? Pray against electric vehicles?

Additionally, a weak not strong naira helps Nigeria. Only happens when the country gets to export more Nigerian-made goods, and can only happen when there is constant power supply.

Developing a country is easy esp in a century where information is at the click of the hand. We've been praying since, no change! I have nothing against prayers, but saying it aids in the development a country is false.

It was nice discussing with you.

awesomeJ:

Dig thoroughly into their history, you'll find yourself some.

Tell us about what you found when you dug through their history. Stop making claims you can't backup cuz I'm sure you're regurgitating something conservative Christians are fond of claiming

Tell us which history of the US you learnt prayer was responsible for their growth

Tozara:
Oh, boy. It's not easy to escape from Jesus. I understand your situation.

It was miraculous that I managed to tell off the gay messiah before he could penetrate my anus. He has infected you with a delusion that would take long to cure.

Any bromance with Jesus Christ in the name of a "personal relationship" is the height of spiritual faggøtry that infects you with intellectual HIV.

there's some hope for your intelligence. As you age, it'll grow a little more.


if you could reason finely, it wouldn't be so difficult to comprehend answers.

I'll help you again. if someone can permute 6 things in 20billion ways, then he surely is the author of variety, and there can't possibly be any boredom with him.

if you yet find this hard to comprehend, no worries, just come back in a few more years to read it, rather than put up hundreds of lines of writings filled with irrelevancies.

awesomeJ:

Dig thoroughly into their history, you'll find yourself some.

I should dig into Singapore's and Japan's history?

Something that I do for a living

hopefulLandlord:

stupid analogy

The transport method you used can be demonstrated and proven to have gotten you there but there's NO way to demonstrate prayer was responsible for US development and the hypothesis that prayer developed the US runs into problem when one takes a look at countries like China, Vietnam, Japan etc

Saying prayer for sure got the US to where they are is the type of nonsense that'll be accepted when your fellow deluded Christians are gathered and under groupthink

Your own comprehension is what is sickly.

The point is if someone says "prayers brought development to the US".
only fools would counter the argument with statements like " how about countries that didn't pray?"

Are you really so dumb that you can't figure that the statement "prayers brought development to the US" is different from saying "prayers are the only things that bring development to nations?"

The silly counterargument you're supporting can only make sense if the latter statement was being argued.

You don't need so much smartness to see that, common sense should be enough.

awesomeJ:
@Gerrard59,
And about the folks you mentioned for Singapore and South Korea. The fact that they were the ones who played some major roles at turning their nations' fortunes around for good is still no proof that no one in those countries prayed. So, YOU CAN'T BE SURE. The way God works in answering prayers is such that he uses whoever is available regardless of their faith stance.

In 2016, we were having one of our worst currency crisis as a nation, I prayed seriously and consistently about it. Praying specifically for oil prices to rebound from a low of about $27.

Months after, God used the OPEC and RUSSIA as well as the CBN's monetary policy committee to grant my answers. To you it would seem like there was no prayer, but I really did pray passionately about it and look at us today 360 from 525.
Reserves almost doubling over the same timeframe.

Experts forecast at the time that oil couldn't rise above $50 for the next few years, this year we've been closer to 70 than we've been to 60.

Not knowing about my prayers, you would have jumped to the conclusion that no one prayed, which would have been a gross falsity.

Rubbish! I'm sure even Gerrard59 is tired of all these bags of air you keep pulling lmao!

The gross falsity is your thinking your prayer was responsible for it. You can't think properly to even question if your prayer was actually useless and that's because you moved from conclusion to premise

Now when presented with other countries your sense suddenly went on overdrive and claimed one CAN'T prove nobody prayed but your sense didn't take a moment to question whether prayer played any part in US development or not. You refuse to see this puts into question your conclusions

1. AwesomeJ is sick, he prays and he gets well

2. HopefulLandlord and Gerrard59 are sick, they didn't pray but they got well regardless

Awesomej: My prayer was responsible for my cure, without the prayer I would've died

HopefulLandlord: I and Gerrard59 had the same sickness and we didn't pray but we got well anyways. Maybe prayer wasn't really responsible for your getting well too?

AwesomeJ: You CAN'T prove somebody somewhere didn't pray for you to get well, their prayer is responsible for your getting well

HopefulLandlord: WTF! Why not consider that maybe the medical care we received would've been enough regardless? isn't it a reach to start claiming some prayer you have no idea about is responsible for our own cure? aren't you just making wild speculation in order to make your prayer theory as untestable and unfalsifiable as you can?

AwesomeJ: You can't prove nobody prayed for you guys

Gerrard59:


I should dig into Singapore's and Japan's history?
Something that I do for a living

You see how he wrongly comprehends?
And you'll be claiming intelligence o.

awesomeJ:


there's some hope for your intelligence. As you age, it'll grow a little more.


if you could reason finely, it wouldn't be so difficult to comprehend answers.

I'll help you again. if someone can permute 6 things in 20billion ways, then he surely is the author of variety, and there can't possibly be any boredom with him.

if you yet find this hard to comprehend, no worries, just come back in a few more years to read it, rather than put up hundreds of lines of writings filled with irrelevancies.

Variety nikan ko, wa tun ri diversity

Don't worry, I'll come back to read it after spending 2 billion years having my share of "eternal bliss" in paradise.

awesomeJ:


Your own comprehension is what is sickly.

The point is if someone says "prayers brought development to the US".
only fools would counter the argument with statements like " how about countries that didn't pray?"

Are you really so dumb that you can't figure that the statement "prayers brought development to the US" is different from saying "prayers are the only things that bring development to nations?"

The silly counterargument you're supporting can only make sense if the latter statement was being argued.

You don't need so much smartness to see that, common sense should be enough.

Again, Gerrard59 is questioning the conclusion that prayer was responsible for US development. he's not in anyway accepting it

I ask again, can you demonstrate prayer was responsible for US development without committing fallacies along the way? fools like you make conclusions out of speculation then drown people with nonsensical inanities when those speculations are challenged which is why Gerrard59 probably just left you alone as you are not only finding it impossible to make sense, you also sound like you're incapable of making sense

hopefulLandlord:



Rubbish! I'm sure even Gerrard59 is tired of all these bags of air you keep pulling lmao!

The gross falsity is your thinking your prayer was responsible for it. You can't think properly to even question if your prayer was actually useless and that's because you moved from conclusion to premise

Now when presented with other countries your sense suddenly went on overdrive and claimed one CAN'T prove nobody prayed but your sense didn't take a moment to question whether prayer played any part in US development or not. You refuse to see this puts into question your conclusions

1. AwesomeJ is sick, he prays and he gets well

2. HopefulLandlord and Gerrard59 are sick, they didn't pray but they got well regardless

Awesomej: My prayer was responsible for my cure, without the prayer I would've died

HopefulLandlord: I and Gerrard59 had the same sickness and we didn't pray but we got well anyways. Maybe prayer wasn't really responsible for your getting well too?

AwesomeJ: You CAN'T prove somebody somewhere didn't pray for you to get well, their prayer is responsible for your getting well

HopefulLandlord: WTF! Why not consider that maybe the medical care we received would've been enough regardless? isn't it a reach to start claiming some prayer you have no idea about is responsible for our own cure? aren't you just making wild speculation in order to make your prayer theory as untestable and unfalsifiable as you can?

AwesomeJ: You can't prove nobody prayed for you guys

I can "hear" hotness in your tone. Relax, and reason calmly.

We were both sick.

The ailments we came down with couldn't have gone from our bodies naturally, without any efforts, we would have died. Let's say it's a very terrible one
The ailments we came down with couldn't have gone from our bodies naturally, without any efforts, we would have died. Let's say it's a very terrible one.

Yousought medical attention, you got well.
I didn't seek medical attention, I rather prayed and I got well.

Doesn't common sense tell you that it was my prayer that wrought my healing? and whether or not you prayed for your own healing, wouldn't it be stupid to think that my prayers weren't responsible because it wasn't what worked your own healing?

Come on.

Gerrard59:


Sorry, but this ends it. Instead of a nation's leaders to diversify the economy from oil, we get folks praying for OPEC and Russia to decrease output. Even when both nations had issues with their revenues' target and had no option than to cooperate. So what about when oil gets her value and demand reduced? Pray against electric vehicles?

Additionally, a weak not strong naira helps Nigeria. Only happens when the country gets to export more Nigerian-made goods, and can only happen when there is constant power supply.

Developing a country is easy esp in a century where information is at the click of the hand. We've been praying since, no change! I have nothing against prayers, but saying it aids in the development a country is false.

It was nice discussing with you.

The guy is just spinning tales and talking rubbish

Imagine him explaining away other countries development by claiming we can't know if somebody prayed for that country Lmao!

hopefulLandlord:


Again, Gerrard59 is questioning the conclusion that prayer was responsible for US development. he's not in anyway accepting it

I ask again, can you demonstrate prayer was responsible for US development without committing fallacies along the way? fools like you make conclusions out of speculation then drown people with nonsensical inanities when those speculations are challenged which is why Gerrard59 probably just left you alone as you are not only finding it impossible to make sense, you also sound like you're incapable of making sense

You're just making unnecessary emphasis.

The point is not to prove whether or not prayers brought the US' development.

What I pointed out to the guy and to you as well, is the fault in his counterargument of asking "how about....?"

awesomeJ:

I can "hear" hotness in your tone. Relax, and reason calmly.

We were both sick.

The ailments we came down with couldn't have gone from our bodies naturally, without any efforts, we would have died. Let's say it's a very terrible one
The ailments we came down with couldn't have gone from our bodies naturally, without any efforts, we would have died. Let's say it's a very terrible one.

Yousought medical attention, you got well.
I didn't seek medical attention, I rather prayed and I got well.

Doesn't common sense tell you that it was my prayer that wrought my healing? and whether or not you prayed for your own healing, wouldn't it be stupid to think that my prayers weren't responsible because it wasn't what worked your own healing?

Come on.

Again you lack basic comprehension

In the analogy we all sought medical attention but you prayed on top of it while we didn't!
anyone with basic comprehension would've inferred that from the analogy but you apparently lack it

Again I ask, can you demonstrate prayer was responsible for US development?