Jesus Christ is a Messiah, he is Lord, he is King. . . but he is not GOD!

Depending on whether you are reading the Old Testament or The New Testament, the translations were done from scripts originally written in Aramaic, Hebrew and other Semitic tongues. So that where King in Aramaic is Abba, but Abba could also mean Master, Lord, Father and in Hebrew it might be Adonai with no further qualification in meaning. So to preach Bible to an Aramaic speaker you'd have to use Abba when referring to Jesus as Lord. To preach the Bible to a Hebrew speaker you'd have to use Adonai to call Jesus King.

You can imagine the many attributes and flavors of adoration used to project the majesty of Jesus as people migrate and are forced to practice Christianity in the different political tongues of their time - Greek, Latin and now English. Slowly, what was originally King has now evolved to become GOD!

Take that with distortions introduced by political bias in the governments of Pharaoh, Ceasar, Atta Xerxes, Cyrus, Alexander. . .and so on and so forth.

Here is a good example. . . The capital of Upper Egypt in time of Akhenaten was Djebes but it is now written as Thebes. Error!!

^^^in the case where you have said jesus, son of Mary was king, could you tell us how a throneless man can be king, in isreal?

in the case where you said he is Lord, could you tell us why he said he is a servant of a Lord God Who is One?

in both cases, how do you justify the summation, above?

by the way Abba, Haba is father different accent from Baba. the reason Eloi/heloi/allar, is really Allah [arabic accent].

Jesus christ is the son of the only lliving God and so wether you like it or not he is God.

Jesus christ is the son of the only lliving God and so wether you like it or not he is God.

Jesus christ is the son of the only lliving God and so wether you like it or not he is God.

@Imhotep: « #381 on: Today at 01:54:02 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on Today at 11:21:47 AM
^^^^^^^^^^ The reason you abandon the Bible and skip to the truth; Philosophical, everyday street talk.
The FINITE books of the Bible or Quran, or any text whatsoever cannot contain the INFINITE God . . .

I strongly suggest you broaden the scope of your Search. . .[/Quote]Allah says He protects the Quran, and it is the Infinite Word coming from Him to make human life, alive. Read a verse in Surah Hud; That verse simply summed up the whole of Biblical Passover. That is saying it is Infinite. We know that John or somebody who wrote his Gospel of what is said to be the account of jesus ministry gave his own statement in it. thats less than finite. Imhotep, on a lighter note, are you related to the usa senator imhoff?



@aletheia (m): « #382 on: Today at 05:49:41 PM »
[Quote]What's the problem nopuqeater? Your posts seem disjointed and less polite of late. Is the truth beginning to get to you?[/Quote]I have a lot on my mind. Fighting shayatins like you guys in the month of Ramadhan, is easy. However it is a time I am most busy. Allah has granted me victory over all of your baatil (weak agenda, allies and soldiers of Shaitan; Junudu iblisa ajimahuun; lanatUllah)



[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on Today at 04:33:11 AM
@Aletheia; « #355 on: August 30, 2010, 09:15 PM »The christians among them are your forerunners in your path of 3 gods. If they are astray, you are more astray than them. your hubai you stand and clap to, with plenty of dancing and hymm.
^If you study the origins of your religion well, you will come to discover that Hubal was one of the idols in the ka'aba that later on became synthesized with others into Allah.[/Quote]When you study the Origin of yahweh, Jehovah, Adonia, etc and of course Trinity and Christianity, you will see that God the Almighty Creator does not have anything to do with it. Again. I already study Islam and am quite satisfied with it. Read the comic that cgift posted. In it you will see that the Children of Israel used to go to Makka to the Kaaba before idolatry entered its precinct. its you aletheia who is similar to shango worshiper. Check your three godship path. satan has made it look glossy to you.


[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on Today at 04:33:11 AM
Joseph smith claimed he was a christian. He was from upstate small country town, I am from down state, The idea is that no prophet came after Muhammad (AS). No truth book, and or path given after Islam was completed on Muhammad.
^False prophets there have always been both preceding and after Muhammad and even on till the time of the end. All of them are antichrists.[/Quote]You have such a simple and one one track mind. True Prophet, True religion, True Book from Olorun, in in Yoruba language, Allah in Arabic.



[Quote]KJV: I John 4:1-3. Beloved, believe not every spirit,[/Quote]The Spirit here is used for Prophet. In past post you denied this very interchangeability, which Allah forced out, just here.


[Quote]but try the spirits whether they are of God;[/Quote]Try the Prophets if they are from God. That is are they true Prophets of God. How did you try Jesus in this test? Give us details, from his actions. (Folks you will see that this man, aletheia will waffle. if he does not, the test will proof that Jesus was a prophet of his bloodline, only. Thats it, not of anyone else. Definitely not God Almighty.)


[Quote]because many false prophets are gone out into the world.[/Quote]Many false prophets are gone out, which means it is past statement by the usage of "gone". Can you name a few before Jesus? I hope jesus gave you how to conduct the test, otherwise it is an inconclusive statement, leaving you to wonder about in blindness in this regard.



[Quote]Hereby know ye the Spirit of God;[/Quote]This is how you know the Prophet of God.



[Quote] Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:[/Quote]Muhammad says Jesus christ came and told us his miracles. Jesus himself said he is a servant sent. Muhammad said jesus is a servant sent. Jesus said he was sent to the house of Israel. Muhammad said that Jesus was a prophet to the chidren of Israel. Jesus said his Lord God is One. Muhammad said that Jesus has a Lord God Who is One. Jesus said his Lord God is Allar (Eloi). Muhammad said that Jesus has a Lord God Creator Who is Allah in Arabic Language. Jesus said he can do nothing of his own power. Muhammad said Jesus was powerless without Allah. Who is the liar here, aletheia; You or Jesus and Muhammad?



[Quote]And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God:[/Quote]Now show me where Muhammad said Jesus christ didnt come, then I will show you where Jesus said exactly what Muhammad said.



[Quote]and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.[/Quote]Show me who is the antchrist here, you or Jesus and Muhammad?


[Quote]Jesus is Lord[/Quote]This is the statement of an antichrist, for jesus did not say this. Check the test, above.


@Almuhandis: « #383 on: Today at 06:19:24 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: aletheia on Today at 05:49:41 PM
What's the problem nopuqeater? Your posts seem disjointed and less polite of late. Is the truth beginning to get to you?^If you study the origins of your religion well, you will come to discover that Hubal was one of the idols in the ka'aba that later on became synthesized with others into Allah.
^False prophets there have always been both preceding and after Muhammad and even on till the time of the end. All of them are antichrists.

KJV: I John 4:1-3. Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Jesus is Lord
Amen my brother. I need to be in the gatherin of the ummah. i shall be back to greet my lost akh[/Qote]Shayatin kabir. Julud iblisa. Lanatullah. Initially, you came in with arabic gimmick of coptic mindset. Allah revealed your secret to the Believers. Alif Laam Miim. Only Allah is the Knower of it. He will expose your tactics.
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@Almuhandis: Shayatin kabir. Julud iblisa. Alul baatil. Lanatullah. Initially, you came in with arabic gimmick of coptic mindset. Allah revealed your secret to the Believers. Alif Laam Miim. Only Allah is the Knower of it. He will expose your tactics.

All this noise is too much. Lets settle this thing without long stories.

Can one of the Jihadists here tell us one difference between the Spirit of Jesus and God Himself? Because in all the noise and rantings here, the only thing I am able to come away with is that Jesus had flesh and God does not.

But remove flesh - ALL of us are spirits. If then you remove flesh from yourself, you can find many differences between yourself and God. Can you then tell me ONE (1) difference between God and Jesus?

If you cannot, please go sit down somewhere and ask Jesus to come into your life.

SURAH NAML (THE ANTS); It talks to all of us. Verse 88 speaks about the mountains moving not rigid. This is serious stuff, because there is a mountain in the Swiss Alps, where a mountain, still growning is formed by Two part of two continents; Africa and Europe. The Peak is African. A recent knowledge in Earth sciences. How can the Unlettered know this stuff, over 1400 years ago? Or, the claimant s who said he copied it from the jewish materials, please show us this science from ancient jewish materials.

if not, then, your lies are in the open.


27;73 "Verily, your Lord is full of Grace for mankind, yet most of them do not give thanks."

27:74 And verily, your Lord knows what their breasts conceal and what they reveal.

27:75 And there is nothing hidden in the heaven and the earth, but is in a Clear Book (i.e. Al-Lauh Al-Mahfuz).

27:76 Verily, this Quran narrates to the Children of Israel most of that about which they differ.

27:77 And truly, it (this Quran) is a guide and a mercy to the believers.

27:78 Verily, your Lord will decide between them (various sects) by His Judgement. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Knowing.

27:79 So put your trust in Allah; surely, you (O Muhammad SAW) are on manifest truth.

27:80 Verily, you cannot make the dead to hear (i.e. benefit them and similarly the disbelievers), nor can you make the deaf to hear the call, when they flee, turning their backs.

27:81[b] Nor can you lead the blind out of their error, you can only make to hear those who believe in Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), and who have submitted (themselves to Allah in Islam as Muslims).[/b]

27:82 And when the word befalls them, We will bring forth for them a creature from the earth speaking to them, [saying] that the people were, of Our verses, not certain [in faith].

27:83 And [warn of] the Day when We will gather from every nation a company of those who deny Our signs, and they will be [driven] in rows

27:84 Until, when they arrive [at the place of Judgement], He will say, "Did you deny My signs while you encompassed them not in knowledge, or what [was it that] you were doing?"

27:85 And the decree will befall them for the wrong they did, and they will not [be able to] speak.

27:86 Do they not see that We made the night that they may rest therein and the day giving sight? Indeed in that are signs for a people who believe.

27:87 And [warn of] the Day the Horn will be blown, and whoever is in the heavens and whoever is on the earth will be terrified except whom Allah wills. And all will come to Him humbled.

27:88 And you see the mountains, thinking them rigid, while they will pass as the passing of clouds. [It is] the work of Allah , who perfected all things. Indeed, He is Acquainted with that which you do.

27:89 Whoever comes [at Judgement] with a good deed will have better than it, and they, from the terror of that Day, will be safe.

27:90 And whoever comes with an evil deed - their faces will be overturned into the Fire, [and it will be said], "Are you recompensed except for what you used to do?"

The Yahoo yahoos are here. welcome to conversation of reality. imhotep, are you here, too?

nopuqeater:

The Yahoo yahoos are here. welcome to conversation of reality. imhotep, are you here, too?

@I dey ooo, my brother.

My biggest issues with Moh@mmed are:
1) He never met Jesus

2) He did not meet those that met Jesus

3) Yet he comes on board 600years AFTER [/b]Jesus and begins to make [b]DEFINITIVE [/b]statements about Jesus

4) The statements he makes are [b]AT VARIANCE with the statements made by those who LIVED WITH Jesus.

5) The rest of us are supposed to sit back and accept that he had a DIVINE REVELATION about Jesus.

6) This is unacceptable to any right thinking mind.

Imhotep dearest, I just wanted to say hi to you . I hope you have been well?

JeSoul:

Imhotep dearest, I just wanted to say hi to you . I hope you have been well?

Ah, the lovely Jesoul. I am very fine. Thanks for the message. I have been posted to a new place, and I am trying to settle in.
How is your family doing? And the job? I trust Obama is treating all of you very well. Cheers, my sister,

Brilliant reasoning by IMHOTEP here. Wasted on his audience though - these are people who are delighted to be called ignorant.

Apparently, it is fear at my appearance that brought about the "yahoo yahoo" reference. Oldie, go call the police if you think I'm yahoo yahoo. Me, I'm calling US authorities - an old wild pig is loose around central park!

Rather than an attempt to turn this into a fight which you can't win since you don't have the intellect, why not bell my cat, remove the flesh of Jesus and show the difference between Christ and God, if there is any.

But you know your koran proves Christ is God, don't you? And thats why you are afraid, ain't it?

@Imhotep: « #394 on: Today at 09:43:03 PM » You see how Allah tore off your cover and reveal your secret. You people cant hide. Impossible.
[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on Today at 09:23:31 PM
The Yahoo yahoos are here. welcome to conversation of reality. imhotep, are you here, too?
@I dey ooo, my brother.[/Quote]Brother as in some of Adam. Same is Jesus and Muhammad (AS Jamiah), sons of Adam. Check your geneologies. Otherwise, I dont know you from Adam, as they say in America.


[Quote]My biggest issues with Moh@mmed are:
1) He never met Jesus[/Quote]And Jesus never met Ibrahim (AS). Who did Jesus meet? David? His supposed brother, Solomon, who is obviously son of David? When you people your mouth, garbage comes out of it. You always set the traps that Allah nooses you with.


[Quote]2) He did not meet those that met Jesus[/Quote]Did Jesus meet the companions of Ibrahim? And did Jesus as he promised his disciples? They are dead long time for crying out loud. And Jesus failed in his promise. Is that a good prophetic sign? Will God fail in His Promise?


[Quote]3) Yet he comes on board 600years AFTER Jesus and begins to make DEFINITIVE statements about Jesus[/Quote]The other day I was watching a Science Channel about astroid hitting the earth. They said if it was 2 years before it hit that mankind notice its coming, it will be too late. In the scheme pf things, as it relates to the existence of the world, say 100 Billion years, 600 years is less than a batting of the eye. Ask JeSoul to bat an eye for you. You will see how quick that is. (batting in this case is blinking). A mere 600 years you are complaining when you say that Jesus was saying that he was before Abraham. 600 years are nothing. I was before Abraham was born. And the angels come from heaven in just a swoop. Yet man is trying to get to far galaxies and are just traveling, without knowing when. And man will never be able to get to the layer of the first heaven. here you are complaining about a mere 600 years between two messengers of their Lord!



[Quote]4) The statements he makes are AT VARIANCE with the statements made by those who LIVED WITH Jesus.[/Quote]All the disciples said Jesus was a mere human being. A prophet of his Lord, sent to his tribes' men. Paul said he is God. Who is the liar when Jesus himself said I am a servant sent by Lord God Who is One. Able to do all things. And as for me, Jesus, am not capable of doing anything without God. Muhammad said exactly what Jesus said. Is Jesus a liar and Paul is the truth teller?


[Quote]5) The rest of us are supposed to sit back and accept that he had a DIVINE REVELATION about Jesus.[/Quote]You are disbeliever in One God Lord the Creator Who is Unlike any thing the eye have seen. So take what pleases you. But be witness, that I and all muslims are Muslims.


[Quote]6) This is unacceptable to any right thinking mind.[/Quote]Put this exactly in the mouth of the jews and hear what he/she says about Jesus. There is no possibility that this guy is even a prophet. thats what the Jews say. And they mean it. And you say 'Salvation is of the jews'. Or am I wrong here that they are not the holder of salvation from your own view?

nopuqeater:

Allah says He protects the Quran, and it is the Infinite Word coming from Him to make human life, alive. Read a verse in Surah Hud; That verse simply summed up the whole of Biblical Passover. That is saying it is Infinite. We know that John or somebody who wrote his Gospel of what is said to be the account of jesus ministry gave his own statement in it. thats less than finite. Imhotep, on a lighter note, are you related to the usa senator imhoff?

^So your god claims. Can he explain why he couldn't protect the Injil and the Torah; which he claims were corrupted by men. If he couldn't protect these books: this proves that he is not all-powerful, and you can not be sure that he has preserved his qur'an from corruption. In fact if truly the qur'an is a revelation from the true God; it ought to be perfect and free from untruths and inconsistencies and illogicalities.

Here then is the challenge the qur'an lays for itself:

4:82. Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much contradictions.

^One would suppose therefore that Muhammad and al-ilah would at least know some basic maths:

4:11-12, 176.
11. God (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased Left brothers (or sisters) the mother has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases ('s) after the payment of legacies and debts. Ye know not whether your parents or your children are nearest to you in benefit. These are settled portions ordained by God; and God is All-knowing, Al-wise.

12. In what your wives leave, your share is a half, if they leave no child; but if they leave a child, ye get a fourth; after payment of legacies and debts. In what ye leave, their share is a fourth, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get an eighth; after payment of legacies and debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question, has left neither ascendants nor descendants, but has left a brother or a sister, each one of the two gets a sixth; but if more than two, they share in a third; after payment of legacies and debts; so that no loss is caused (to any one). Thus is it ordained by God; and God is All-knowing, Most Forbearing.

176. They ask thee for a legal decision. Say: God directs (thus) about those who leave no descendants or ascendants as heirs. If it is a man that dies, leaving a sister but no child, she shall have half the inheritance: If (such a deceased was) a woman, who left no child, Her brother takes her inheritance: If there are two sisters, they shall have two-thirds of the inheritance (between them): if there are brothers and sisters, (they share), the male having twice the share of the female. Thus doth God make clear to you (His law), lest ye err. And God hath knowledge of all things.

^^Let us do some addition:

When a man dies, and is leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to 2/3 + 1/3 + 1/8 = 9/8 (greater than 1).
A second example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and[b] 2/3[/b] [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 1/3 + 1/4 + 2/3 = 15/12 of the available property.

Not only can al-ilah not add; he also has problems counting and can't seem to make up his mind whether he created the world in six days or in eight days:
Sura 7:54 says six

Your Guardian-Lord is God, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority): He draweth the night as a veil o'er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession: He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be God, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds!

But Sura 41:9-12 gives 2 + 4 + 2 = 8 days

Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two Days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds.
He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measure therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four Days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (Sustenance).
Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."
So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge.

nopuqeater:

Show me who is the antchrist here, you or Jesus and Muhammad?

^^^Muhammad and nopuqeater; for you both deny that Jesus is the Son of the Living God and oppose him. Again your ahadith hints at the truth but you in your zeal refuse to see it and search for the truth. Why does your eschatology make reference to al-Masihu ad-Dajjal (the lying Christ). Who was ever referred to as Al-Masihu except Jesus of Nazareth? Not even your prophet was so described. Why a lying Christ if not that he opposes the True Christ.

KJV: Hebrews 1:1-3.
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Jesus is Lord!

@Aletheia: Posted by: aletheia
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Quote from: nopuqeater on Yesterday at 08:05:30 PM
Allah says He protects the Quran, and it is the Infinite Word coming from Him to make human life, alive. Read a verse in Surah Hud; That verse simply summed up the whole of Biblical Passover. That is saying it is Infinite. We know that John or somebody who wrote his Gospel of what is said to be the account of jesus ministry gave his own statement in it. thats less than finite. Imhotep, on a lighter note, are you related to the usa senator imhoff?
^So your god claims. Can he explain why he couldn't protect the Injil and the Torah; which he claims were corrupted by men. If he couldn't protect these books: this proves that he is not all-powerful, and you can not be sure that he has preserved his qur'an from corruption. In fact if truly the qur'an is a revelation from the true God; it ought to be perfect and free from untruths and inconsistencies and illogicalities.

Here then is the challenge the qur'an lays for itself:

4:82. Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much contradictions.

^One would suppose therefore that Muhammad and al-ilah would at least know some basic maths:

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4:11-12, 176.
11. God (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased Left brothers (or sisters) the mother has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases ('s) after the payment of legacies and debts. Ye know not whether your parents or your children are nearest to you in benefit. These are settled portions ordained by God; and God is All-knowing, Al-wise.

12. In what your wives leave, your share is a half, if they leave no child; but if they leave a child, ye get a fourth; after payment of legacies and debts. In what ye leave, their share is a fourth, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get an eighth; after payment of legacies and debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question, has left neither ascendants nor descendants, but has left a brother or a sister, each one of the two gets a sixth; but if more than two, they share in a third; after payment of legacies and debts; so that no loss is caused (to any one). Thus is it ordained by God; and God is All-knowing, Most Forbearing.

176. They ask thee for a legal decision. Say: God directs (thus) about those who leave no descendants or ascendants as heirs. If it is a man that dies, leaving a sister but no child, she shall have half the inheritance: If (such a deceased was) a woman, who left no child, Her brother takes her inheritance: If there are two sisters, they shall have two-thirds of the inheritance (between them): if there are brothers and sisters, (they share), the male having twice the share of the female. Thus doth God make clear to you (His law), lest ye err. And God hath knowledge of all things.

^^Let us do some addition:

When a man dies, and is leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to 2/3 + 1/3 + 1/8 = 9/8 (greater than 1).
A second example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 1/3 + 1/4 + 2/3 = 15/12 of the available property.

Not only can al-ilah not add; he also has problems counting and can't seem to make up his mind whether he created the world in six days or in eight days:
Sura 7:54 says six
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Your Guardian-Lord is God, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority): He draweth the night as a veil o'er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession: He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be God, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds!

But Sura 41:9-12 gives 2 + 4 + 2 = 8 days
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Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two Days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds.
He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measure therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four Days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (Sustenance).
Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."
So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge.

[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on Yesterday at 08:05:30 PM
Show me who is the antchrist here, you or Jesus and Muhammad?
^^^Muhammad and nopuqeater;[/Quote]Read the instruction, again. I know that you are educated. But you have just failed this extra point. If it is Muhammad, then it has to be Muhammad and Jesus. For they are in the same group. You will be right as the yorubas do say; You now OSho more than Osho's mother.


[Quote]for you both deny that Jesus is the Son of the Living God and oppose him.[/Quote]An entity who has a son and he is not married to te sons's mother is an adulterer. Who is the wife of the living God? Each time, you put your stinking foot in your own mouth.


[Quote]Again your ahadith hints at the truth but you in your zeal refuse to see it and search for the truth. Why does your eschatology make reference to al-Masihu ad-Dajjal (the lying Christ). Who was ever referred to as Al-Masihu except Jesus of Nazareth? Not even your prophet was so described. Why a lying Christ if not that he opposes the True Christ.[/Quote]Most people are emotionally bankrupt. A man who provides a clear description of Dajjal and his time of existence, if you think he his, then you have to fit him into that time sensitive qualification. Has Dajjah arrived? Was Jesus here yet? If neither and Muhammad (AS) had already left, it is either he was not the Dajjal and the Dajjal will come as the right person, or Jesus is late for his own activities. The other possibility is that there is no Dajjal at all. Even you in your off the track thinking will not say this. Hence, your accusation of Muhammd is on your head and Allah, His Angels and all believers are witnesses.


]Quote]KJV: Hebrews 1:1-3.
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;[quote][/Quote]Enough of your silly summations. Gospel is not enough. Then you resort into make up that you call Revelation.


[Quote]Jesus is Lord![/Quote]Jesus said he is a servant. You are now the antiJesus, saying what he didnt say.

[Quote]@Aletheia: Posted by: aletheia
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Quote from: nopuqeater on Yesterday at 08:05:30 PM
Allah says He protects the Quran, and it is the Infinite Word coming from Him to make human life, alive. Read a verse in Surah Hud; That verse simply summed up the whole of Biblical Passover. That is saying it is Infinite. We know that John or somebody who wrote his Gospel of what is said to be the account of jesus ministry gave his own statement in it. thats less than finite. Imhotep, on a lighter note, are you related to the usa senator imhoff?
^So your god claims.[/Quote]And He has done it.



[Quote]Can he explain why he couldn't protect the Injil and the Torah; which he claims were corrupted by men.[/Quote]So that the corruptions can be shown, when you compare it to what is Protected. Read Gospel of John. You will see John;s or the writer's statement in there. Hence, even that shows that it is not God's pure words. Or God is talking through Jesus, through the disciples, through the writers, all at the same time? lol.



[Quote]If he couldn't protect these books: this proves that he is not all-powerful,[/Quote]You do know what they call controlled group? The Bible is that group given placibo. Allah says He left it for man to corrupt it so that the people whose hearts are diseased [yours is a good example] will follow thereown desire. Though, they see remnant of truth left that should lead them to the pure truth, they will stick with the lies that appeal to that muscle under their breasts. If Jesus by some reason[s], the scholars of christianity say he is no more the savior, today, you will abandon him in a heart beat. your clamoring to him is not short of this very reason; you want to save yourself. Being called god, son of god mean nothing to you without hi being your savior. In all of the issues, Jesus does not tell anyone of you to get to God directly. he has to be the middle man. Exactly what the african idols are to the worshipers.



[Quote]and you can not be sure that he has preserved his qur'an from corruption[/Quote]1400 years and mounting, it has remained protected, the same. The mounting is unlike what the ghost did with the woman who god pregnant with a baby for the ghost.



[Quote]In fact if truly the qur'an is a revelation from the true God; it ought to be perfect and free from untruths and inconsistencies and illogicalities.

Here then is the challenge the qur'an lays for itself:

4:82. Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much contradictions.

^One would suppose therefore that Muhammad and al-ilah would at least know some basic maths:[/Quote]I want the physical scientist around the world to read this dialogue. Can anything be more than 100%. What is a Whole pie is always 100%. A big orange or small. each is 100% orange.If one has 5 slices, it is 100% a whole. If the other has 8, that will be 100% whole orange, too.



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4:11-12, 176.
11. God (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased Left brothers (or sisters) the mother has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases ('s) after the payment of legacies and debts. Ye know not whether your parents or your children are nearest to you in benefit. These are settled portions ordained by God; and God is All-knowing, Al-wise.[/Quote]Let analyse this verse;

Its the property of a dead person; If there are children, the male gets 2 times what the female child gets.
But no male child, and only 2 or more daughters succeeded him, they all get 2/3. leaving 1/3.
If there s jut one daughter, then she gets 1/2 leaving 1/2.
For parents, 1/6 for each., when the dead person has children.
If no children, and the parents are the only survivors, the mother is honor with 1/3,
If he has brothers or sisters, the mother will have a 1/6.
but in each case (6 cases, above0, the debts and legacies of the dead person must be settled first before distributions.
For anyone with good brain will see wisdom in this and the math we will get to it later. Consider, while we go to the next verse that the man's property is 100 USD, meaning 100%. Can we divide 100% and when we add all the portions together we get more than 100% of what we began with? Consider this then: I went to a pizza store and purchase a large pie. If I want, since i am the only one eating it, I can tell the person to slice it into any number of slices of any shapes and sizes. But at the end of the day, it is stile one whole pie. Same is the property of the deceased.



[Quote]12. In what your wives leave, your share is a half, if they leave no child; but if they leave a child, ye get a fourth; after payment of legacies and debts. In what ye leave, their share is a fourth, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get an eighth; after payment of legacies and debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question, has left neither ascendants nor descendants, but has left a brother or a sister, each one of the two gets a sixth; but if more than two, they share in a third; after payment of legacies and debts; so that no loss is caused (to any one). Thus is it ordained by God; and God is All-knowing, Most Forbearing.[/Quote]
If its a woman, and she is married, the husband takes 1/2, if she has no children.
if she leaves a child, the husband gets 1/4.
If a man dies, his wives get 1/4, if the man leaves no child.
if there is a child the wives get 1/8
if a person dies and there are no parent and no children, but a brother or sister left, each gets 1/6.
if more than 2 siblings left, they share 1/3
Where you are lost is still a mystery, like servant becoming God.



[Quote]176. They ask thee for a legal decision. Say: God directs (thus) about those who leave no descendants or ascendants as heirs. If it is a man that dies, leaving a sister but no child, she shall have half the inheritance: If (such a deceased was) a woman, who left no child, Her brother takes her inheritance: If there are two sisters, they shall have two-thirds of the inheritance (between them): if there are brothers and sisters, (they share), the male having twice the share of the female. Thus doth God make clear to you (His law), lest ye err. And God hath knowledge of all things.[Quote]If a man dies, and he is survived by only a sister, she gets 1/2
if she is a woman that ides, and it is her brother who takes 100% of her property.
If there are 2 sisters, they will take 2/3
If There are brothers and sisters, they take everything whereby the man takes 2 times what the woman takes.



[Quote]^^Let us do some addition:[/Quote]Below is your math deficiencies. Alhamdulillah, you are not a mat teacher. Or a professor of Physics.



[Quote]When a man dies, and is leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to 2/3 + 1/3 + 1/8 = 9/8 (greater than 1).[/Quote] I can clearly put the Dunce cap on your head here. Read again. Each condition was set differently. There is a situation in Math, when you do not what each portion will actually be, untill you add each portions of a pie together, and come up with the same single pie. If it is 9 parts, according to you, then you divide that 100 USD into 9 parts and give each of them what they have, since Allah says what each will have in their specific condition. I hope the whole world reads your bringing two conditions together, like the work of your website masters. But you forget the legacies and debts! You see how your evil heart clouded your Judgement. My father's[ra] inheritance was divded the other day. As many as the children were, no one complained. Men getting 2 times the women.

Lets say the property is 100 USD.
2/3+1/3+1/8=!00
16/24+8/24+3/24=100.
Hence 27X=100
Hence X=100/27. X is a little less that 4 USD in this case.
so the people who gets 2/3 will 16 parts of 27 of 100 USD
the one who gets 1/3 will get 8 parts of 27 of 100 USD
the one who gets 1/8 will get 3 parts of 27 of 100 USD




[Quote]A second example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 1/3 + 1/4 + 2/3 = 15/12 of the available property.When you divide[/Quote]If we use 100 USD again, we get for the person[s] of 1/3, will get 4 portions of 100/15
the person who gets 1/4 will get 3 portions of 100/15
the person who gets 2/3 will get 8 portions of 100/15



[Quote]Not only can al-ilah not add[/Quote]Who cant think but you?He is Allah, oh people of Jahannam.


[Quote] he also has problems counting and can't seem to make up his mind whether he created the world in six days or in eight days:
Sura 7:54 says six[/Quote]Today, alone, I have spent a day respnding to you disbelievers. Then I have spent a day reading Quran. Then a day doing other things. Aletheia, how many days have I spent, today? Lack of real life wisdom affects you so openly that I personally pity you.



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Your Guardian-Lord is God, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days,[/Quote]The qhole of heavens and earth in 6 days. Not more. It is 6 days. Hope my repeating it means something to others if not you and the thugs.



[Quote]and is firmly established on the throne (of authority): He draweth the night as a veil o'er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession: He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be God, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds![/Quote]Can Jesus who said he is powerless without yahweh do this? I know he cant.



[Quote]But Sura 41:9-12 gives 2 + 4 + 2 = 8 days{/Quote]We will see how you fail in math, in a minute. I hope your wife reads this, if you are married. If she is from my family, you will become a single man, this evening.



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Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two Days?[/Quaran}Earth is created in 2 days. Nothing was mentioned of what else was done. Allah has said in the Quran that He decrees a thing but says to it "Be" so it Be. Is it impossible that many thins are done simultaneously if it is this easy to do?



[Quote]And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds.[/Quote]And those who join anything with Him are idolaters.



[Quote]He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measure therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four Days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (Sustenance).[/Quote]All the things that are pertaining the earth were done in 4 days. All if still under 6 days. We do not what else done at the same time. But let follow the new math professor to his waterloo of calculation.



[Quote]Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."[/Quote]The part of the earth that answered for the earth , as mouth piece was Makka. and it was the first part of the earth the emerged from under the water. No wonder it is a desert, today.



[Quote]So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days,[/Quote]Allah designed heave in 2 days. Did He do anything on at at the same time?



[Quote]and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge.[/Quote]Is this not part of the 2 days?


Now go back to the earth. Allah says alll of it and noursihment, etc were 4 days. Can you calculate? Simply add 4 four earth, and 2 for heaven. Just add, please.


What do you get? Go back to where Allah says he fashioned Heavens and earth, all of it in 6 days. Is there a difference? Note that He did not say he rested, as if to say tired like yahweh was.


Alhamdulillah, this is my struggle against disbelief. May Allah accept it for those who read this and get guidance into Islam from it. Allah Speaks clearly the Truth. I am a Muslim. ANd in it, InshaAllah I will die. I will never join partner with You, Oh The Sublime. The Irresistable. Alhamdulillah adana Islam.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

[Quote]
176. They ask thee for a legal decision. Say: God directs (thus) about those who leave no descendants or ascendants as heirs. If it is a man that dies, leaving a sister but no child, she shall have half the inheritance: If (such a deceased was) a woman, who left no child, Her brother takes her inheritance: If there are two sisters, they shall have two-thirds of the inheritance (between them): if there are brothers and sisters, (they share), the male having twice the share of the female. Thus doth God make clear to you (His law), lest ye err. And God hath knowledge of all things.[/Quote]

If a man dies, and he is survived by only a sister, she gets 1/2
if she is a woman that ides, and it is her brother who takes 100% of her property.
If there are 2 sisters, they will take 2/3
If There are brothers and sisters, they take everything whereby the man takes 2 times what the woman takes.




[Quote]^^Let us do some addition:[/Quote]Below is your math deficiencies. Alhamdulillah, you are not a mat teacher. Or a professor of Physics.





[Quote]When a man dies, and is leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to 2/3 + 1/3 + 1/8 = 9/8 (greater than 1).[/Quote]I can clearly put the Dunce cap on your head here. Read again. Each condition was set differently. There is a situation in Math, when you do not what each portion will actually be, untill you add each portions of a pie together, and come up with the same single pie. If it is 9 parts, according to you, then you divide that 100 USD into 9 parts and give each of them what they have, since Allah says what each will have in their specific condition. I hope the whole world reads your bringing two conditions together, like the work of your website masters. But you forget the legacies and debts! You see how your evil heart clouded your Judgement. My father's[ra] inheritance was divded the other day. As many as the children were, no one complained. Men getting 2 times the women.

Lets say the property is 100 USD.
2/3+1/3+1/8=!00
16/24+8/24+3/24=100.
Hence 27X=100
Hence X=100/27. X is a little less that 4 USD in this case.
so the people who gets 2/3 will 16 parts of 27 of 100 USD
the one who gets 1/3 will get 8 parts of 27 of 100 USD
the one who gets 1/8 will get 3 parts of 27 of 100 USD





[Quote]A second example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 1/3 + 1/4 + 2/3 = 15/12 of the available property.When you divide[/Quote]If we use 100 USD again, we get for the person[s] of 1/3, will get 4 portions of 100/15
the person who gets 1/4 will get 3 portions of 100/15
the person who gets 2/3 will get 8 portions of 100/15




[Quote]Not only can al-ilah not add[/Quote]Who cant think but you?He is Allah, oh people of Jahannam.





[Quote]he also has problems counting and can't seem to make up his mind whether he created the world in six days or in eight days:
Sura 7:54 says six[/Quote]Today, alone, I have spent a day respnding to you disbelievers. Then I have spent a day reading Quran. Then a day doing other things. Aletheia, how many days have I spent, today? Lack of real life wisdom affects you so openly that I personally pity you.





[Quote]Your Guardian-Lord is God, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days,[/Quote]The whole of heavens and earth in 6 days. Not more. It is 6 days. Hope my repeating it means something to others if not you and the thugs.





[Quote]and is firmly established on the throne (of authority): He draweth the night as a veil o'er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession: He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be God, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds![/Quote]Can Jesus who said he is powerless without yahweh do this? I know he cant.





[Quote]But Sura 41:9-12 gives 2 + 4 + 2 = 8 days[/Quote]We will see how you fail in math, in a minute. I hope your wife reads this, if you are married. If she is from my family, you will become a single man, this evening.





[Quote]Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two Days?[/Quote]Earth is created in 2 days. Nothing was mentioned of what else was done. Allah has said in the Quran that He decrees a thing but says to it "Be" so it Be. Is it impossible that many thins are done simultaneously if it is this easy to do?




[Quote]And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds.[/Quote]And those who join anything with Him are idolaters.





[Quote]He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measure therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four Days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (Sustenance).[/Quote]All the things that are pertaining the earth were done in 4 days. All if still under 6 days. We do not what else done at the same time. But let follow the new math professor to his waterloo of calculation.





[Quote]Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."[/Quote]The part of the earth that answered for the earth , as mouth piece was Makka. and it was the first part of the earth the emerged from under the water. No wonder it is a desert, today.





[Quote]So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days,[/Quote]Allah designed heave in 2 days. Did He do anything on at at the same time?





[Quote]and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge.[/Quote]Is this not part of the 2 days?

Now go back to the earth. Allah says alll of it and noursihment, etc were 4 days. Can you calculate? Simply add 4 four earth, and 2 for heaven. Just add, please.

What do you get? Go back to where Allah says he fashioned Heavens and earth, all of it in 6 days. Is there a difference? Note that He did not say he rested, as if to say tired like yahweh was.

Alhamdulillah, this is my struggle against disbelief. May Allah accept it for those who read this and get guidance into Islam from it. Allah Speaks clearly the Truth. I am a Muslim. ANd in it, InshaAllah I will die. I will never join partner with You, Oh The Sublime. The Irresistable. Alhamdulillah adana Islam.

All this long story just to run away from truth hoping nobody will see it?

Anyway, thank you for the no Controversy - [size=14pt]Jesus is God[/size]!

@aletheia, you are about to have mail

Get lost dead head; The conversation is good education for the world.

this is between Truth of islam and the falsehood of Trinity.

Afterall, Jesus said he is a slave sent.

Now to those who think around the world;

The math that solve the calculation is not the conventional type without wisdom

My proof; here is an elementary math for your effort; A man has 100 USD and he need to have 100 live stocks to start his farming. But he need to have 100 animals from among these 3.

Cow costs 3 USD. for the purpose of selling milk, and dairy products.
Horse costs 10 USD. for transportation to and from the market.
Chicken costs 0.50 USD for the egg production.

How many of each will he have to buy so that he spends the whole 100 USD without going over, yet he will have 100 aminals?

Use all your dy, dx, dt. You will never get it, until you apply wisdom. Thats how the Quranic problems are solved.


Aletheia. Aletheia. Aletheia. Apply your brain. It should be used not only in your high specialty. And then you argue this limply. It does not show your matriculation, for you should have been able to know that however you slice a pie, you will get a pie when all of the slices are added together.

Is Jesus not a servant? Am I not a servant? Is everyone not a servant? Are angels not servants? Who is our Master (we the servants)?


Allah.


Who has Power and Jesus had none? Allah.


Who knows the exact last hour and jesus knew it not? Allah.


Who does not pray to anyone, though jesus and all muslims pay to Him, too? Allah.

Who does not need sustainants, yet jesus and me do? Allah.

Are these enough differences?

People of hellfire, Allah has prepared great punishment for you. And Isa bin Maryam (AS) will say to his Lord God Who is One that he did not tell you what you say of him.

@Nopuqeater,

You deserve Salutation and without doubt Jannatul Firdaus is your reward by God grace, may Allah Almighty increase you in knowledge Amen.

My Brother(Chakula) in Islam; I thank Allah for your statement. May Allah give everyone of us the same.
Allah says in His Book, if He does not cautionone people with the other, evilness will run rampant and it will dominate the earth. In that instance, evilness will be accepted as the norm, and Truth and good deeds will disappear.

I paraphrase above. This condition will be similar to what the Messenger (AS) said to Allah in his supplication victory over the Makkans at Badr. The Prophet said to his Lord; Oh Allah, the idolaters are coming in in their Pumps and pagentries, intending the band of believers in You. If you allow them even in their power to defeat the believers, they will utterly destroy us and there will be left no True believer on earth to worship You in truth. Oh my Lord, ruin the pagans, this very day and shame them.


Allah then commanded His Messenger to get a fist of earth and throw it in the direction of the Makkans, and immediately the Angels came with Jibril and the destructions of the Makkans began in the hands of Muslims and Angels of Allah. Eery spot that the messenger(AS) said a makkan will die, he was found lifeless on it, after the war.


Has anything that Allah allowed Muhammad to say ever not come true? Never. This is the opposite of what Jesus said in the Bible; he has not returned for over 2000 years that he promised to return, immediately while some of his listeners were alive.


What is interesting is that Muhammad said that Jesus will return and he gave the indication of exactly what will be in a place that he will touch on the ground. That was then, over 1400 years ago. Today, what the prophet said will be in Shams (syria) is already erected there. Even Biblical Jesus dont know himself that much.

Why would Muhammad know Jesus more than Jesus? Muhammad was told the future of Jesus, the past of Jesus by Allah Who Knows All things.


Allah has given Fatir (Victory to Muslims, who struggle to follow trhe foot steps of the Messenger (AS), through the Quran and Authentic Hadith (What does not disagree with the Quranic verse it explains), and those who follow Muhammad; the Sahabas, the Tabiin, The tabi tabi n, the true people of true knowledge and not those who interpret the Quran for personal gain.


@The enemies of Allah (The leader of them; Aletheia): I put a challenge of simple calculations for the Ulama of math sciences among the Christians, Jews and all enemies of Islam. The inheritance is well calculated. There are Professors of Math Sciences in Islam. None of them have disagreed with Law of calculation that Allah puts in the Quran. Even no good Math scientist wll disagree with it, except the pseudo intellectuals. Please, tell us how many chickens, cows and horses will be purchase t=with the 100 USD? This is not a nuclear science.

Sural Fatir; 35:38:Verily, Allah is the AllKnower of the unseen of the heavens and the earth. Verily! He is the AllKnower of that is in the breasts.

35:39 It is He who has made you successors upon the earth. And whoever disbelieves - upon him will be [the consequence of] his disbelief. And the disbelief of the disbelievers does not increase them in the sight of their Lord except in hatred; and the disbelief of the disbelievers does not increase them except in loss.

35:40 Say, "Have you considered your 'partners' whom you invoke besides Allah ? Show me what they have created from the earth, or have they partnership [with Him] in the heavens? Or have We given them a book so they are [standing] on evidence therefrom? [No], rather, the wrongdoers do not promise each other except delusion."

35:41 Indeed, Allah holds the heavens and the earth, lest they cease. And if they should cease, no one could hold them [in place] after Him. Indeed, He is Forbearing and Forgiving.

35:42 And they swore by Allah their most binding oath, that if a warner came to them, they would be more guided than any of the nations (before them), yet when a warner (Muhammad SAW) came to them, it increased in them nothing but flight (from the truth),

35:43 (They took to flight because of their) arrogance in the land and their plotting of evil. But the evil plot encompasses only him who makes it. Then, can they expect anything (else), but the Sunnah (way of dealing) of the peoples of old? So no change will you find in Allah's Sunnah (way of dealing), and no turning off will you find in Allah's Sunnah (way of dealing).

35:44 Have they not traveled through the land and observed how was the end of those before them? And they were greater than them in power. But Allah is not to be caused failure by anything in the heavens or on the earth. Indeed, He is ever Knowing and Competent.

@nopuqeater may ALLAH reward you abundantly

To npqtr

[uote]^^^in the case where you have said jesus, son of Mary was king, could you tell us how a throneless man can be king, in isreal?

[/quote]

this is like asking how could Moses become a prince in the household of Pharaoh. God anoints who He wants.


[quote]in the case where you said he is Lord, could you tell us why he said he is a servant of a Lord God Who is One?

in both cases, how do you justify the summation, above?

These are attributes to project the Majesty of God. Kind of like when a Yoruba youth prostrates to an elder and address him as Baba mi, even though the elder might not be his biological father. It is an expression of endearment and respect.


To imhotep,

My biggest issues with Moh@mmed are:
1) He never met Jesus

Neither did Jesus meet Adam, Noah, Abraham or Moses but he confirmed their positions.

3) Yet he comes on board 600years AFTER Jesus and begins to make DEFINITIVE statements about Jesus

4) The statements he makes are AT VARIANCE with the statements made by those who LIVED WITH Jesus.

I disagree with this impression. The statements Mohammed made about Jesus were the directives in the Gospel. He did not need to corroborate what the Apostles or wittnesses said. His instruction was to confirm the Gospel and warn. . . not to convert or to force anyone , but to warn!

5) The rest of us are supposed to sit back and accept that he had a DIVINE REVELATION about Jesus.

6) This is unacceptable to any right thinking mind

We are not juries for what the prophets did or didnt do in their times. . .we are required to understand the mysteries of the scriptures and to live it by faith.

@My brother Tunfeek: May Allah reward all of us, together. Amin.


@Negro_Ntns: « #411 on: Today at 05:06:36 PM »
[Quote]To npqtr
[Quote]^^^in the case where you have said jesus, son of Mary was king, could you tell us how a throneless man can be king, in isreal?
Quote

this is like asking how could Moses become a prince in the household of Pharaoh. God anoints who He wants.[/Quote]But in the case of Moses (AS), he was a prince. He lived in a Palace. Addressed as a Prince. Had authority of a Price. His brother Aaron (AS) from the same parents didnt, because he was not raise in Place under the watchful eye of a King and Queen(s) giving him princely culture and authority. Moses could control people, as Prince. He wasnt treated like the slaves, though his blood is same. Thats reality. Tell how Jesus as a King is reality, if you may. I wanna see how a person born in a manger is a king, with a single portfolio to show it. If you are talking about prophethood, then every prophet was a king, even when Jospeh was in Prison, he had to be king then. If it was the killing that made him a king, then John was killed. He had to be king, too. I read that the Jews mocked him, because they said he was a fake. Please proof your statement with evidence. We know David was. So was his son Solomon (AS to both) So was Saul.


[Quote]Quote
in the case where you said he is Lord, could you tell us why he said he is a servant of a Lord God Who is One?

in both cases, how do you justify the summation, above?

These are attributes to project the Majesty of God.[/Quote]Are saying that Jesus is God, when he said God is in heaven, and called himself His servant Who He sent? Please make yourself clear, since Jesus already declared that he cant do anything, except God aided him.



[Quote]Kind of like when a Yoruba youth prostrates to an elder and address him as Baba mi, even though the elder might not be his biological father. It is an expression of endearment and respect.[/Quote]But everyone knows who sired the youth. ANd regardless of how many prostrations he gave to the old man who is not the husband of the mother, it is a fake father and fake son relationship. Reality please. We are all too mature to be playing possum. Is Jesus God? The answer is no. Jesus did not have a single attribute of God. None. If you know any, let me know so that we can talk about it.[/quote]

@Negro_Ntns: « #411 on: Today at 05:06:36 PM »
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^^^in the case where you have said jesus, son of Mary was king, could you tell us how a throneless man can be king, in isreal?
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this is like asking how could Moses become a prince in the household of Pharaoh. God anoints who He wants.[/Quote]Give us a verse wher he is stated to be anointed as a King. I wanna read it from the lips of Jesus son of Mary. He can talk for himself. He was prophet, preached Gospel.
But in the case of Moses (AS), he was a prince. He lived in a Palace. Addressed as a Prince. Had authority of a Price. His brother Aaron (AS) from the same parents didnt, because he was not raise in Place under the watchful eye of a King and Queen(s) giving him princely culture and authority. Moses could control people, as Prince. He wasnt treated like the slaves, though his blood is same. Thats reality. Tell how Jesus as a King is reality, if you may. I wanna see how a person born in a manger is a king, with a single portfolio to show it. If you are talking about prophethood, then every prophet was a king, even when Jospeh was in Prison, he had to be king then. If it was the killing that made him a king, then John was killed. He had to be king, too. I read that the Jews mocked him, because they said he was a fake. Please proof your statement with evidence. We know David was. So was his son Solomon (AS to both) So was Saul.





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in the case where you said he is Lord, could you tell us why he said he is a servant of a Lord God Who is One?

in both cases, how do you justify the summation, above?

These are attributes to project the Majesty of God.[/Quote]Are saying that Jesus is God, when he said God is in heaven, and called himself His servant Who He sent? Please make yourself clear, since Jesus already declared that he cant do anything, except God aided him.





[Quote]Kind of like when a Yoruba youth prostrates to an elder and address him as Baba mi, even though the elder might not be his biological father. It is an expression of endearment and respect.[/Quote]But everyone knows who sired the youth. ANd regardless of how many prostrations he gave to the old man who is not the husband of the mother, it is a fake father and fake son relationship. Reality please. We are all too mature to be playing possum. Is Jesus God? The answer is no. Jesus did not have a single attribute of God. None. If you know any, let me know so that we can talk about it. Take your time and give it a proper reseach, so that you may come up with something worth conversation.

Lord jesus, help me-for our help comes from you. Thier help comes from themselves.no wonder they take laws in to their hands.
the MSA used all over the world was developed from the land of the coptics.your quran is being written in it.or are you angry that i can read your book of false hood? Tell this forum what do you know of NASKH and  show us one verse in the quran where its said that ramadan is jihad?
Now to my brethren of the way,let me educate you on why these guys are mean, confused and suicidal.
WHY ARE THERE SO MUCH CONFUSION AND CONTRADICTIONS IN THE QURAN IN THE FIRST PLACE? WHY WAS THE PROPHET'S REVELATIONS CHANGING OVER TIME?THE ANSWER LIES IN THE LIFE OF MOHAMMED HIMSELF.AT FIRST THE MSGS THAT WAS REVEALD TO MUHAMMED WERE PEACEFUL AND KIND IN ORDER TO ATTRACT PEOPLE. BUT CIRCUMSTANCE CHANGED(THE ROOT OF DOUBLE STANDARD IN ISLAM) MUHAMMED ENCOUNTERED MUCH OPPOSITION IN MECCA,THE CITY WHERE HE FIRST PREACHED HIS MSG,SO HE LEFT FOR YATHRIB (MEDINA) AD622.HE BUILT UP HIS MILITARY  WAR MACHINE.WHEN HE BECAME CONFIDENT HE RTURND AND CONQUER  MECCA AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS.THIS SINGULAR OPERATION CHANGED ISLAM FROM A SPIRITUAL RELIGION TO A POLITICAL REVOLUTION (THE ORIGINS OF BLOOD BATH IN ISLAM)
HIS LIFE IN MECCA WAS AL ABOUT PRAYERS AND MEDITATION-SO THE QURANIC REVELATIONS TALK ABOUT PEACE AND COOPERATION WITH OTHERS.
BUT IN MEDINA HE BECAME A MILITARY COMMANDER AND GENERAL AND INVADER. SO THE REVS IN MEDINA TALK ABT MILITARY POWER AND INVASION IN THE NAME OF ISLAM (WELCOME TO THE START OF SUICIDAL TERRORISM).
60% OF THE QURANIC VERSES TALKS ABOUT JIHAD,WHICH STANDS TO REASON,BECAUSE HE RECIEVED MOST OF THE QURAN AFTER HE LEFT MECCA. JIHAD BECAME THE BASIC POWER AND THE DRIVING FORCE OF ISLAM.NOW TO DECIEVE HIS FOLLOWERSTHE QURAN IS NOT ARRANGED IN THE WAY IT WAS REVLEAD TO HIM.(YOU CAN SAY 419).
YOU SHOULD ALSO KNOW THAT OSAMA IBN LADEN AND IS ILK ARE THE TRUE WORSHIPERS OF ALLAH THAN ALL THIS EGGHEADS HERE TRYIN TO THEOLOGISE A DEAD END.THEY OBEY THE QURAN TOTALLY.BECAUSE WHEN nasikh IS DEPOLYED ALL VERSE FOR JIHAD OVERIDES ALL VERSE OF LOVE PEACE AND FORGIVENESS.to be cont, HOWEVER LET BE LEAVE YOU GUYS WITH A FOOD FOR THOUGHT WHICH WILL FORM MY NEXT DISCUSS. SURAH 4:89 quotation-the NOBLE QURAN: "those who reject Islam must be killed.If they turn back(from islam) take(hold of) them and kill them wherever you find them, "
FOR GOD SAKE HOW CAN YOU COMPARE THIS BACKGROUND WITH THAT OF OUR MASTER JESUS(EVEN IF HE IS A PROPHET AT PER WITH A KILLER AND DECIEVER)
the worst they can do is to issue a fatwah-which will give me an opportunity to be at the feet of my master-YESUA ALMASIYA

nopuqeater:

The math that solve the calculation is not the conventional type without wisdom

My proof; here is an elementary math for your effort; A man has 100 USD and he need to have 100 live stocks to start his farming. But he need to have 100 animals from among these 3.

Cow costs 3 USD. for the purpose of selling milk, and dairy products.
Horse costs 10 USD. for transportation to and from the market.
Chicken costs 0.50 USD for the egg production.

How many of each will he have to buy so that he spends the whole 100 USD without going over, yet he will have 100 aminals?

Use all your dy, dx, dt. You will never get it, until you apply wisdom. Thats how the Quranic problems are solved.


Aletheia. Aletheia. Aletheia. Apply your brain. It should be used not only in your high specialty. And then you argue this limply. It does not show your matriculation, for you should have been able to know that however you slice a pie, you will get a pie when all of the slices are added together.

^^Really. Some more obfuscation. Don't you just love the logic of maths. Your question above just proves my point! Here is the solution using elementary maths.

Let x = cows, y = chickens, z = horses

So: 3x + 0.5y + 10z = 100 and x + y + z = 100

Multiplying 1st eqn by -2 => -6x - y - 20z

Subtract above from 2nd eqn => -5x - 19z = -100

This becomes after rearranging: z = (100 - 5x)/19

Since x, y, and z are natural whole numbers it means that 100 - 5x is divisible by 19 and 100 - 5x is divisible by 5 and less than 100 (as per your limits above).

What number less than 100 is both divisible by 19 and 5 => 95

So: 100 - 5x = 95 and z = 5 and x = 1;

Substituting back into x + y + z = 100 gives y = 94.

So your farmer would buy 1 cow, 5 horses and 94 chickens, spending exactly $100 to get exactly 100 animals. Proving the point that starting with one pie you will get one pie when all of the slices are added together. However according to the guidelines in your qur'an (defying all laws of mathematics):

When a man dies, and is leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to 2/3 + 1/3 + 1/8 = 9/8 (greater than 1).
A second example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 1/3 + 1/4 + 2/3 = 15/12 of the available property.

The neutral observers will note how you went outside the qur'an to try to explain it's illogical maths.

Please 1 + 1 in maths = 2 always, not sometimes.