I have always alleged that majority of atheists I've come across are bitter, angry and condescending, while I've interacted with a few cool headed atheists, I've seen really bitter atheists, and unfortunately, they seem to be the majority.

I've also noticed that these bitter atheists seem to be the ones you'll often come across online. They are sometimes referred to as militant atheists probably because of their crusading spirit. Their anger seems to have consumed them so much that they derive pleasure in ridiculing religious people and their beliefs.
This may explain why they stay online and look for opportunities to mock religious people and their beliefs.
Its comes at no surprise since one of the prominent atheist leaders has encouraged his followers to ridicule religious people.


At a reason rally a few years ago, during a speech, Richard Dawkins encouraged the masses to publicly ridicule religious people and their belliefs, this drew much applause from the Reason Rally crowd:
"Mock them. Ridicule them! In public"
He also says that religion makes claims that "need to be ridiculed with contempt"

I see similarities in Dawkins quote, and Quran 2:191 – “And kill them wherever you find them…”

One simply advocates killing someone psychologically, while the other advocates killing someone physically.

If Dawkins was as peaceful as he claims, then one would expect him to ask his followers to teach peacefully instead of mocking, ridiculing or deriding.

Unfortunately, the atheists who (by the way, advocate for peaceful coexistence) engage in these acts do not realize how deeply bitter and condescending they have become.

Albert Einstein understood this when he noted: "I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist, whose fervour is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an act of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being"

When asked if he was an atheist, Einstein continued “I’m not an atheist,” added Einstein. “The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn’t know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws.”

Einstein seemed to allude to the fact that, although he did not know the author, he knew someone must have definitely written the books and arranged them in a particular order, even though he didn't know how. This seems to be the direction of common sense as atheist astronomer Fred Hoyle, who coined the term “Big Bang", once confessed that his disbelief was “greatly shaken” by the undisputed science, writing about the universe that “a common-sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a super-intellect has monkeyed with the physics, as well as with chemistry and biology.”


Worthy of mentioning, is another prominent atheist, Sam Harris. Even though Harris is aware of the biological nature of religion, he has the audacity to propose violence against those who hold religious beliefs.

“Some propositions are so dangerous, that it may even be ethical to kill people for believing them. This may seem an extraordinary claim but it is merely an enunciates an ordinary fact about the world in which we live. Certain beliefs place their adherents beyond the reach of every peaceful means of persuasion, while inspiring them to commit acts of extra ordinary violence against others. There is, in fact, no talking to some people. If they cannot be captured, and they often cannot, otherwise tolerant people may be justified in killing them in self-defense…”(Harris, End of Faith p. 52-53)

“What will we do if an Islamist regime…ever acquires long-range nuclear weaponry? If history is any guide, we will not be sure about where the offending warheads are or what their state of readiness is, and so we will be unable to rely on targeted conventional weapons to destroy them. In such a situation, the only thing likely to ensure our survival may be a nuclear first strike of our own. Needless to say, this would be an unthinkable crime-as it would kill tens of millions of innocent civilians in a single day-but it may be the only course of action available to us, given what Islamists believe.”(Harris, End of Faith)


These quotes are bigoted and is far from any process of peacefulness. When closely observed, it is a product of fanatism. Albert Einstein addressed such fanatism in relation to the cosmos: “The fanatical atheists are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who – in their grudge against traditional religion as the ‘opium of the masses’ – cannot hear the music of the spheres”, Einstein said.


It seems to me that fanatical atheism, crusading sprit, militant atheism and some other versions of new age atheism, are simply products of bigotry. Bigotry is referred to as intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself.
While he agreed that religious adherents could sometimes be bigots, Einstein yet addressed such bigotry.

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Bigotry could sometimes influence our decisions and in fact our choice of words. I once observed a sample of some atheists on nairaland, and I demonstrated that there was some form of bitterness and hate in their choice of words. This led me to open a thread as a proof (See here)


Also, some atheist converts have alluded to the fact that there was some form of hatred for religious people and their beliefs. Below is a confession from an ex-atheist from reddit.

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In 2013, a study published in the journal Social Psychological and Personality Science found that Christians seemed happier on Twitter than atheists, judging from the words they used. Atheists also swore a lot more.

There was another study published on August 22, 2017 in the same journal about roughly the same topic. Researchers from the University of Pennsylvania wanted to know if there was a difference between religious and non-religious people when it came to Facebook statuses. To do that, they used a now-defunct app called MyPersonality. If you installed that app, among other things, you were consenting to let the program monitor and collect information from your profile. So all your status updates could be mined for research purposes. That app shut down a few years ago, but the data is still available, so these researchers got to work.

The most interesting result came from what they called a “differential language analysis” (DLA). In essence, DLA let them figure out which words were a dead giveaway that you were in one group or the other. Sure, we all use words like “person” and “feel,” but which words were strictly in one camp?

Here’s what the data showed for religious people:

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The size of the word tells you how much of a dead giveaway it was. And the more colorful the word, the more often it was used.

Now what the the data show about atheists…?.

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Maybe hateful and swear words are not inherently bad. (because we've been raised to believe there’s something wrong with swearing). But such words can give an insight on the level of peace and tolerance of any individual.

The researchers noted this in their analysis, suggesting that “religion may encourage people to present a more positive facade, despite whatever emotions are actually being experienced.”

One might feel it's just words, but there is a ripple effect on people and even the society. More scientific researches show that a religious believer may be more healthy than an angry atheist.

For instance, a study showed that religious involvement and spirituality are associated with better health outcomes, including greater longevity, coping skills, and health-related quality of life (even during terminal illness) and less anxiety, depression, and suicide"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11761504

Also, another study showed that lower blood pressures was observed among those who frequently prayed or studied the Bible (daily or more often)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9724889

Another interesting study akso showed that religiousity may have an influence on immune system
http://www.dukehealth.org/health_library/news/663
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9565726

Religion and its effect on lifetime impulsivity, aggression, and substance use
American Psychiatric Association: http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspxVolume=161&page=2303&journalID=13

It seems to me that when one is happy, there might be a reflection of such happiness on society. For instance, charity which is beneficial to any society may not be performed by angry humans who are condescending towards other humans, who share a different belief.

Apart from the fact that Christianity runs the largest charity in Africa, another study was conducted to show the correlation between religious people and charity
http://www.pewforum.org/Religion-News/Religious-people-make-better-citizens-study-says.aspx
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jun/16/local/me-beliefs16

This led an atheist, Hattersley, to criticize his fellow atheists for their lack of effort in relief effort: “You don’t hear of “Atheist Aid” rather like Christian aid, and, I think, despite my inability to believe myself, I’m deeply impressed by what belief does for people like the Salvation Army… I often say I never hear of atheist organizations taking food to the poor”..


In conclusion, the acts of mockery, ridicule and other condescending activities are simply products of hate. The seed of hate can germinate, grow fiercely and span across society.
There will always be people who have a different opinion from yourself. It is my opinion that if peace and love can substitute hate and mockery, there will be increased understanding, better coexistence and overall an enviable society.

Religion creates huge problems and solve little ones
The dude must have had lots of pressure by religionists, attacks from every wings that led him to no choice than pretend to believe in God else they will suck his blood

Brother, there's nothing like "their leader". Atheists do not have a leader. Atheism do not need any leadership/follwership life pattern. If one person decides to ridicule people, it's his business. If one sticks around with abusive, inconsiderate and cold hearted friends, let him not blame it on atheism; he should change his friends.

In case you don't get my point yet, I am saying it's much easier to find common traits in theists than in atheists. This is apparently because typical theists normally share common teachings. They usually have a common master whom they strive to emulate giving rise to them exhibiting certain similar characteristics. Atheists, on the other hand, are free individuals with little to no peculiar life style. What each person exhibits is usually a function of his/her personality and has nothing to do with atheism.

The word-use research could be true though. In fact, it makes perfect sense that members of a Facebook church group shoulshould be using words like church, brother, sister, prayer, etc. What else would one be expecting? Atheists are freerer with words on social media as no "brother" or "sister" is there to police them. Most of them may or may not use these words at their work places just like most theists may use dirtier words outside their religious groups online. But then, these do not prove anything and do not in any way suggest atheists are angry people.

Atheists like to argue. They feel they have superior points and find it easy and funny pointing out the flaws of religion. Theists like to argue, they feel they have seen the light. They feel it's their job to convert you. They say heavenly stuffs are like foolishness to the mundane mind so they look at the atheists with pity. Lol. The only difference is that theists don't see it as argument. To them, they are doing the work of converting soules. They don't feel bad calling you "blind" or "lost soul" or "ignorant". But then this, to you, is not ridiculing of course. Point here is, it's difficult to be a judge and a partisan at the same time.

There are many stuffs I could say against atheists but calling them angry people is not one of them. Some times, they even refrain from telling you their religious stance just not to make you angry. Lol. They are very welcoming and open minded individuals, I'd say. When next you want to know who's more angry and hate-filled between theists and atheists, keep in mind that ISIS, Boko-haram, etc. are not atheists. Also recall that those that burnt the gay guys caught in the East in the name of "our religion is against it" are not atheists. Nigeria is a country made of more than 90% theists and what's the outcome? Intolerance, outright hatred, killings and all sorts of unspeakable things against one another all in the name of religion. And yet atheists are the one supposedly filled with anger and hate. I don't know..... bro, it just doesn't add up.

Nice write-up though. Keep the good work.

You will get your responses. For now, I'm in Bernabeu to ensure that Real Madrid crash out of C.L.

[quote author=winner01post=67190102]I have always alleged that majority of atheists I've come across are bitter, angry and condescending, while I've interacted with a few cool headed atheists, I've seen really bitter atheists, and unfortunately, they seem tou'll often come across online. They are sometimes referred to as militant atheists probably because of their crusading spirit. Their anger seems to have consumed them so much that they derive pleasure in ridiculing religious people and their beliefs.
This may explain why they stay online and look for opportunities to mock religious people and their beliefs.
Its comes at no surprise since one of the prominent atheist leaders has encouraged his followers to ridicule religious people.


you are lying. where is Jesus in christian's DLAs given the fact that they throw the name around easily

winner01:
I have always alleged that majority of atheists I've come across are bitter, angry and condescending, while I've interacted with a few cool headed atheists, I've seen really bitter atheists, and unfortunately, they seem to be the majority.

Some are the sort who think ones atheism is what makes one a jerk. Probably why they'd also think it is a person's Christianity that makes one a saint. Problem though when they come across a Christian who is a jerk, or an atheist who is a saint. Or would they claim they haven't met either of those online? I suspect they close their eyes to the Christian jerkiness. Or perhaps they take the line some's version of god belief influences them to take and forgive the Christian jerk as long as Jesus is their lord, but throw the atheist jerk in hell because those whosoever do not believe as one does shall live in eternal damnation in hell. Goes to show where their loyalty lays, I suppose. A Christian jerk is not so damned as an atheist jerk, just like Samaritans and tax collectors have no place in heaven, according to some. I just thank god their sort don't get to whisper in God's ear telling him "o, my lord my god, you see those ones over there? They do not bow down and worship you so throw their atheistic asses in hell!" Its interesting how the numerous mansions in his father's house come to mind, and what some would be doing with their teeth!

One funny thing about people who claim to believe in God is that they actually take the atheist seriously when they claim there is no God. My superior Jesusy position would be to acknowledge that God created them whether they believed or not, and as soon as I behaved badly to those who I see before me, I'll be doing so to my God in heaven. But I guess that is not the thinking of some Christians on here. The speck in the atheist eye is of so much more concern than the forest in one's own eye, that it becomes impossible for them to dust them away from their presence and say 'peace'.

I have always claimed gods are figments of the imagination created in the imagination of those who create them. Given such choice, one should create the best god one can imagine and worship it, after all, is my god not a great big God, and do I not reflect my god? It might help one consider not rubbing people the wrong end so they don't feel the need to pay one back in one's own coin.

I am an atheist, but I hardly have people being jerks to me whatever their beliefs. I do unto others as I would want them to do unto me, and pretty good advise I have found it to be too. I find on the whole, that I pretty much get back what I dish out. And it doesn't tend to matter what they believe either, after all, there is a reason the peacemakers are the one's who get blessed. Besides, why decide to be that which adds discord when one can be the salt instead?

I'll end this with an observation. I know there are many who read stuff on here without getting involved in our constant big dick arguments. Some, in fact most, are Christians, and I say here, the proper salt of the earth love your fellow God created human being sort. If it were your God that is claimed to exist and that should be worshipped, there would be no atheists, for who amongst us would not like to help create a place where the lions and the lambs dwell in peace and be blessed? Some though think they worship God and think their god approves of them being no better than blow up jihadists people.

All I can say is, someday, there will be light! Amen

HajimeSaito:
Watch and see how Nairaland's atheist community swarms this thread. They only come alive when there's a Christian thread to attack.

It is a pity that this, to you, is a Christian thread. If this thread summed up what Jesus was about, I would have gladly killed him myself!

I like you!

etrange:
Brother, there's nothing like "their leader". Atheists do not have a leader. Atheism do not need any leadership/follwership life pattern. If one person decides to ridicule people, it's his business. If one sticks around with abusive, inconsiderate and cold hearted friends, let him not blame it on atheism; he should change his friends.

In case you don't get my point yet, I am saying it's much easier to find common traits in theists than in atheists. This is apparently because typical theists normally share common teachings. They usually have a common master whom they strive to emulate giving rise to them exhibiting certain similar characteristics. Atheists, on the other hand, are free individuals with little to no peculiar life style. What each person exhibits is usually a function of his/her personality and has nothing to do with atheism.

The word-use research could be true though. In fact, it makes perfect sense that members of a Facebook church group shoulshould be using words like church, brother, sister, prayer, etc. What else would one be expecting? Atheists are freerer with words on social media as no "brother" or "sister" is there to police them. Most of them may or may not use these words at their work places just like most theists may use dirtier words outside their religious groups online. But then, these do not prove anything and do not in any way suggest atheists are angry people.

Atheists like to argue. They feel they have superior points and find it easy and funny pointing out the flaws of religion. Theists like to argue, they feel they have seen the light. They feel it's their job to convert you. They say heavenly stuffs are like foolishness to the mundane mind so they look at the atheists with pity. Lol. The only difference is that theists don't see it as argument. To them, they are doing the work of converting soules. They don't feel bad calling you "blind" or "lost soul" or "ignorant". But then this, to you, is not ridiculing of course. Point here is, it's difficult to be a judge and a partisan at the same time.

There are many stuffs I could say against atheists but calling them angry people is not one of them. Some times, they even refrain from telling you their religious stance just not to make you angry. Lol. They are very welcoming and open minded individuals, I'd say. When next you want to know who's more angry and hate-filled between theists and atheists, keep in mind that ISIS, Boko-haram, etc. are not atheists. Also recall that those that burnt the gay guys caught in the East in the name of "our religion is against it" are not atheists. Nigeria is a country made of more than 90% theists and what's the outcome? Intolerance, outright hatred, killings and all sorts of unspeakable things against one another all in the name of religion. And yet atheists are the one supposedly filled with anger and hate. I don't know..... bro, it just doesn't add up.

Nice write-up though. Keep the good work.

perfect analysis. I never seen an atheist presenting fact like.
They criticized Christianity but yet the atheism is yet to solve a problem.
Always pained and bitter like a madman who lost his money

budaatum:

It is a pity that this, to you, is a Christian thread. If this thread summed up what Jesus was about, I would have gladly killed him myself!

my friend go am sleep in your spiritual cage

winner01:
You will get your responses. For now, I'm in Bernabeu to ensure that Real Madrid crash out of C.L.

See them, it will never work for you all in Jesus name. Na finals madrid dey so..

johnydon22:


See them, it will never work for you all in Jesus name. Na finals madrid dey so..

Na there the party go end na. I'm hoping that Liverpool remain in their fine form till then.

GoodMuyis:


my friend go am sleep in your spiritual cage

Make me.

HajimeSaito:
Watch and see how Nairaland's atheist community swarms this thread. They only come alive when there's a Christian thread to attack.

the theme here is about atheism so how the fùck is this thread a Christian thread

Winner the whiner.

May God grant you the grace to preach Christ on NL.

HajimeSaito:
Watch and see how Nairaland's atheist community swarms this thread. They only come alive when there's a Christian thread to attack.

Dem don use thread sew this one sense.

obinna58:
Religion creates huge problems and solve little ones
The dude must have had lots of pressure by religionists, attacks from every wings that led him to no choice than pretend to believe in God else they will suck his blood

Religion and spirituality is important to humanity on many counts.
The dude confesses to being led to Christ by his sister. There are many reasons people believe what they believe, emotions is as valid as logic in their conversion to such belief or unbelief. I've seen atheists who became that way because of certain reasons other than logic and reasoning.

etrange:
Brother, there's nothing like "their leader". Atheists do not have a leader. Atheism do not need any leadership/follwership life pattern. If one person decides to ridicule people, it's his business. If one sticks around with abusive, inconsiderate and cold hearted friends, let him not blame it on atheism; he should change his friends.

Maybe there are no atheist leaders, but more often than not, we have majority of atheists repeating arguments from Dawkins, Harris, Krauss, Singer, Hitchens and co. And we often have these guys seeing nothing wrong in ridiculing religious people with contempt.

etrange:


In case you don't get my point yet, I am saying it's much easier to find common traits in theists than in atheists. This is apparently because typical theists normally share common teachings. They usually have a common master whom they strive to emulate giving rise to them exhibiting certain similar characteristics. Atheists, on the other hand, are free individuals with little to no peculiar life style. What each person exhibits is usually a function of his/her personality and has nothing to do with atheism.

If this master is anyone other than Jesus Christ, then I strongly disagree. However, several historians and nonreligious scholars have recorded the kind of life that Jesus lived. Contemporary atheists on the other hand are becoming more like their religious counterparts. You need not look too deep in the arguments for Gods existence before you can identify an atheist. I gave sufficient proof in the op. Swear words, curses and rage seem to be increasingly peculiar to many online atheists. Many honest atheists also seem to agree with me.

Not much is new about the New Atheists other than their increased intensity of vitriol and anti-religious polemic. But such tactics don’t hold water with everyone, many atheists included. According to atheist Gary Wolf:

“The New Atheists have castigated fundamentalism and branded even the mildest religious liberals as enablers of a vengeful mob. Everybody who does not join them is an ally of the Taliban. But so far, their provocation has failed to take hold… I take this as good news. Even those of us who sympathize intellectually have good reasons to wish that the New Atheists continue to seem absurd. If we reject their polemics, if we continue to have respectful conversations even about things we find ridiculous, this doesn’t necessarily mean we’ve lost our convictions or our sanity. It simply reflects our deepest, democratic values. Or, you might say, our bedrock faith: the faith that no matter how confident we are in our beliefs, there’s always a chance we could turn out to be wrong”.

According to the “father of secular humanism” Paul Kurtz: “I think they are atheist fundamentalists. They’re anti-religious and they’re mean spirited, unfortunately. Now, they are very good atheists and very dedicated people who do not believe in God. But you have this aggressive and militant phase of atheism, and that does more damage than good”.

Likewise philosopher Michael Ruse has been one of the most skeptical voices on New Atheists such as Dawkins. Ruse would say that: “The God Delusion makes me embarrassed to be an atheist and the McGraths show why”.

Michael Shermer notes the existence of atheistic fundamentalism within science; he complains that “Since the turn of the millennium, a new militancy has arisen among religious sceptics… Whenever religious beliefs conflict with scientific facts or violate principles of political liberty, we must respond with appropriate aplomb. Nevertheless, we should be cautious about irrational exuberance”.

etrange:


The word-use research could be true though. In fact, it makes perfect sense that members of a Facebook church group shoulshould be using words like church, brother, sister, prayer, etc. What else would one be expecting? Atheists are freerer with words on social media as no "brother" or "sister" is there to police them. Most of them may or may not use these words at their work places just like most theists may use dirtier words outside their religious groups online. But then, these do not prove anything and do not in any way suggest atheists are angry people.

This is rather ridiculous, i for instance have
been posting on social media for years without the fear what people would think. Policing also may infact be a good thing. You can't argue that law and order is to some extent influenced by policing e.g the police. The DLA research is rather suggestive. I'll prefer to be around those who use peaceful words than those who use swear words and curses. I can almost guess whom you'll also like your children to be around regardless of their hidden behaviours.

etrange:


Atheists like to argue. They feel they have superior points and find it easy and funny pointing out the flaws of religion. Theists like to argue, they feel they have seen the light. They feel it's their job to convert you. They say heavenly stuffs are like foolishness to the mundane mind so they look at the atheists with pity. Lol. The only difference is that theists don't see it as argument. To them, they are doing the work of converting soules. They don't feel bad calling you "blind" or "lost soul" or "ignorant". But then this, to you, is not ridiculing of course. Point here is, it's difficult to be a judge and a partisan at the same time.

Its weird that you don't think atheists are also in the business of converting theists to their own belief systems, why else's would you waste your time trying to tell me about your own views, especially considering the fact that I already live a peaceful and productive life. No matter how you twist this, you can't disprove the fact that majority of atheists online and ridicule theists especially Christians. If you want, I'll give you quotes of atheists right here on nairaland and then you can tell me if its ridiculous or not.

etrange:


There are many stuffs I could say against atheists but calling them angry people is not one of them. Some times, they even refrain from telling you their religious stance just not to make you angry. Lol. They are very welcoming and open minded individuals, I'd say. When next you want to know who's more angry and hate-filled between theists and atheists, keep in mind that ISIS, Boko-haram, etc. are not atheists. Also recall that those that burnt the gay guys caught in the East in the name of "our religion is against it" are not atheists. Nigeria is a country made of more than 90% theists and what's the outcome? Intolerance, outright hatred, killings and all sorts of unspeakable things against one another all in the name of religion. And yet atheists are the one supposedly filled with anger and hate. I don't know..... bro, it just doesn't add up.

You may have a point here, but just like the DLA research suggests, words such as Bleep, sh*t, retarded, dead, death, kill, drunk etc are suggestive. This explains why many coroprate individuals refrain from some of those words on T.V. If I was a psychologist for instance, trying to help a temperamental person, I'll encourage the use of more peaceful words especially during arguments. You also seem to suggest that theists seem more angry with the examples of ISIS, Boko haram and Co.

Firstly, you must understand that atheists account for less than 5% of the total worlds population, and of course this will also have an influence on the number of violence committed by several atheists. However on request, I can give you sufficient examples of atheists of our generations, comitting violence simply because they don't believe in God.

Secondly, while I don't have any explanation for Islam, I can provide facts that prove that atheists have committed more terror than Islam ever will provided Islamic adherents continue to kill people at this rate for then next 50years. So if the actions of Islamic adherents is your reason for thinking they are more hate filled than atheists, you're wrong.

Thirdly, those who killed or burnt people in the name of their religion, I'll like to know their religion. Certainly not the religion named after a MAN who stood against religious zealots ready to stone a prostitute.
Nigeria, like many African countries may seem to have adopted many foreign religious views, but you certainly cannot deny that we still retain some of our spiritual systems and beliefs. We were killing our twins before Mary slessor, a christian missionary, arrived.

In ile Ife, osun state, some scholars are of the belief that the oracle demands for 1 full fledged human daily for sacrifice. Virginity was a big deal across Yoruba land, wicked witches and wizards were publicly disgraced after the oracle exposed them. I can give many examples of barbarism in several traditional African religions.

Many of these beliefs are retained among many Africans. Nigeria is not an exception. Jungle justice is still the order of the day. These are culturally oriented. How would you stone a sinner and claim to want to emulate a MAN who protected sinners .Moreover who made such people judges over other humans.

Nigeria is suffering majorly from the effects of corruption and bad governance, which have given birth to tension, frustrations, poverty induced ignorance, abuse of human rights etc. which unfortunately affects several other African countries.

In foreign countries, I've seen churches organise programs where members prepare free snacks in public for anybody interested, regardless of their beliefs. I've seen a foreign church bus park outside a club to help those who are too drunk to drive or go to their homes, and several other charitable acts. Do I also need to mention that Christianity runs the largest charity in the world? Is this the same Christianity we observe in Nigeria? If not, what's wrong? Maybe culture and traditional beliefs, maybe ignorance and illiteracy, maybe none of the above.

keentola:
you are lying. where is Jesus in christian's DLAs given the fact that they throw the name around easily

Look again Sir.

budaatum:


One funny thing about people who claim to believe in God is that they actually take the atheist seriously when they claim there is no God. My superior Jesusy position would be to acknowledge that God created them whether they believed or not, and as soon as I behaved badly to those who I see before me, I'll be doing so to my God in heaven. But I guess that is not the thinking of some Christians on here. The speck in the atheist eye is of so much more concern than the forest in one's own eye, that it becomes impossible for them to dust them away from their presence and say 'peace'.

The question if Gods existence is no trivial matter.

budaatum:


I am an atheist, but I hardly have people being jerks to me whatever their beliefs. I do unto others as I would want them to do unto me, and pretty good advise I have found it to be too. I find on the whole, that I pretty much get back what I dish out. And it doesn't tend to matter what they believe either, after all, there is a reason the peacemakers are the one's who get blessed. Besides, why decide to be that which adds discord when one can be the salt instead?

Nice belief. There are people who do not want to do unto others what they want others to do unto them and they have equal rights as you do.

budaatum:


I'll end this with an observation. I know there are many who read stuff on here without getting involved in our constant big dick arguments. Some, in fact most, are Christians, and I say here, the proper salt of the earth love your fellow God created human being sort. If it were your God that is claimed to exist and that should be worshipped, there would be no atheists, for who amongst us would not like to help create a place where the lions and the lambs dwell in peace and be blessed? Some though think they worship God and think their god approves of them being no better than blow up jihadists people.

All I can say is, someday, there will be light! Amen

If there was no God, there will be no atheists.

GoodMuyis:
perfect analysis. I never seen an atheist presenting fact like.

They criticized Christianity but yet the atheism is yet to solve a problem.

Always pained and bitter like a madman who lost his money

Thanks Bro.

HappyPagan:
Winner the whiner.

May God grant you the grace to preach Christ on NL.

I preach Christ in many ways. I preach peace, love, facts, evidence, science, apologetics and other positives online and offline. You can check some of my threads for non apologetics. I do like apologetics though.

HappyPagan:


Dem don use thread sew this one sense.

Blessed are the meek.

budaatum:

I like you!

I like you too bro!

If I may, true atheism is the awareness & humility to say I don't know, but I need more proof than a book thats been rewritten, edited, books left out & more. Religion separates people. Love brings then together! Whatever myth you choose to believe, they are allegories for how to treat each other & live well. Christianity is not original

psychonaut13:
If I may, true atheism is the awareness & humility to say I don't know.

This is your opinion and nothing more. Majority of online atheists exhibit infinite knowledge, part of the bigotry I explained earlier.

psychonaut13:
but I need more proof than a book thats been rewritten, edited, books left out & more.

Is this what you were told, read, or are you infinitely sure of this?

psychonaut13:
Religion separates people. Love brings then together! Whatever myth you choose to believe, they are allegories for how to treat each other & live well.

Atheism has nothing to do with love. You certainly cannot provide any scientific research that shows the correlation between atheism and love.

psychonaut13:
Christianity is not original

Is this what you know or learnt?

winner01:

However on request, I can give you sufficient examples of atheists of our generations, comitting violence simply because they don't believe in God.

I bet you can't!

Meanwhile, for popular consumption. Listed here is some violence committed by some. Note the witch killing too, and the policing of the thoughts in peoples' minds.

I bet you'd be told they are not doing it for Christ, but you try using that to excuse those they claim is done by atheists and you see how wriggly some get.

winner01:
This is your opinion and nothing more.

And yours is what, exactly? The word of god?!

winner01:

If there was no God, there will be no atheists.

I would have expected you to claim "If there were no God, there'd be nothing".

Just goes to show the breadth of you I suppose.

winner01:



Maybe there are no atheist leaders, but more often than not, we have majorit7y of atheists repeating arguments from Dawkins, Harris, Krauss, Singer, Hitchens and co. And we often have these guys seeing nothing wrong in ridiculing religious people with contempt.

People ridicule people especially those who don't share their views. I'm not saying otherwise. I'm only saying it's not a function of atheism. The way Christians on NL mock and trash-talk Islam is enough to drive home this point.

winner01:


If this master is anyone other than Jesus Christ, then I strongly disagree. However, several historians and nonreligious scholars have recorded the kind of life that Jesus lived. Contemporary atheists on the other hand are becoming more like their religious counterparts. You need not look too deep in the arguments for Gods existence before you can identify an atheist. I gave sufficient proof in the op. Swear words, curses and rage seem to be increasingly peculiar to many online atheists. Many honest atheists also seem to agree with me.

I said it before and I'm saying it again, picking a theists choice of words from a church group is the most ridiculous research ever. A research we know the outcome before embarking on. Your school WhatsApp group would have been a better sample. No one, myself inclusive, would go to church group and not try conform. On the other hand, the atheists wouldn't use such words in an office, for example. What I'm saying here is that the word stuff doesn't prove a thing. It's all messed up by environmental factors.

winner01:



Not much is new about the New Atheists other than their increased intensity of vitriol and anti-religious polemic. But such tactics don’t hold water with everyone, many atheists included. According to atheist Gary Wolf:

“The New Atheists have castigated fundamentalism and branded even the mildest religious liberals as enablers of a vengeful mob. Everybody who does not join them is an ally of the Taliban. But so far, their provocation has failed to take hold… I take this as good news. Even those of us who sympathize intellectually have good reasons to wish that the New Atheists continue to seem absurd. If we reject their polemics, if we continue to have respectful conversations even about things we find ridiculous, this doesn’t necessarily mean we’ve lost our convictions or our sanity. It simply reflects our deepest, democratic values. Or, you might say, our bedrock faith: the faith that no matter how confident we are in our beliefs, there’s always a chance we could turn out to be wrong”.

According to the “father of secular humanism” Paul Kurtz: “I think they are atheist fundamentalists. They’re anti-religious and they’re mean spirited, unfortunately. Now, they are very good atheists and very dedicated people who do not believe in God. But you have this aggressive and militant phase of atheism, and that does more damage than good”.

Likewise philosopher Michael Ruse has been one of the most skeptical voices on New Atheists such as Dawkins. Ruse would say that: “The God Delusion makes me embarrassed to be an atheist and the McGraths show why”.

Michael Shermer notes the existence of atheistic fundamentalism within science; he complains that “Since the turn of the millennium, a new militancy has arisen among religious sceptics… Whenever religious beliefs conflict with scientific facts or violate principles of political liberty, we must respond with appropriate aplomb. Nevertheless, we should be cautious about irrational exuberance”.

Dearest, there's something you're not getting. Atheism is not ritualistic. There's no layed down rule. There's no master file or holy book or leader or anything of such. So quoting these supposedly atheistic authors who have lent voices to their opinionated conclusions may not really carry much weight. I love their intelligence. I have quoted some of them before but you will see other atheists who do not agree with these authors. Think of it, a man who probably grew up a Christian and later decided the bible is written by man and not worth it; is it the works of these authors he'd follow religiously? An atheist is a free minded individual. That is why it is hard for theists to comprehensively decipher a way to address theism.

But all the same, I appreciate these works of research. You probably read these stuffs more than myself . I personally believe the idea of drawing a line between old and new atheists is just a matter of convenience. But then, most such divisions are. The fact is, humans are evolving generally. While the so-called old atheists could have been more aggressive in conversations and less tolerant, Christians were already killing non Christians in other countries. Inter-religious wars were at their peaks. Christans had something to kill for. Muslims had something to kill for. This wasn't the case for the so-called old atheists. There was simply no reason to kill. Fast forward to years later, they are the ones tagged angry and hate-filled.

If there's anything to pick from these guys' books, it's the notion that they were sincere enough to admit that things weren't/aren't so smooth on their own end. They dared to point out errors of past members of their team and criticised it. That's what atheism is all about, freedom of expression of one's mind without striving to defend another person's actions or opinion if found wanting. But you'd rather use it against them. Imagine if Christians were judged with the act of their past members, we'd just kill all of you. Lol.

winner01:


This is rather ridiculous, i for instance have
been posting on social media for years without the fear what people would think. Policing also may infact be a good thing. You can't argue that law and order is to some extent influenced by policing e.g the police. The DLA research is rather suggestive. I'll prefer to be around those who use peaceful words than those who use swear words and curses. I can almost guess whom you'll also like your children to be around regardless of their hidden behaviours.

I think I've addressed these word thing enough. I'd rather keep my kid with someone that shouts "Bleep" every morning than with a pastor that will pull her pant in front of the congregation in the name of deliverance.

winner01:


Its weird that you don't think atheists are also in the business of converting theists to their own belief systems, why else's would you waste your time trying to tell me about your own views, especially considering the fact that I already live a peaceful and productive life. No matter how you twist this, you can't disprove the fact that majority of atheists online and ridicule theists especially Christians. If you want, I'll give you quotes of atheists right here on nairaland and then you can tell me if its ridiculous or not.

I'm here with you cause you brought up a topic I find worthwhile, bro. Not to convert you. Your religion is is not my problem provided you don't hurt others though I'll still engage logically if you find it worthwhile to challenge my views. I'll only rise against you when I see stuffs like pastors shaving armpits, boko haram killing peeps, etc. No one promised me heaven when I convert others nah. Tell me, which will you see more on NL, atheists ridiculing theists or Christians mocking Islam? A sincere response is enough.

winner01:



You may have a point here, but just like the DLA research suggests, words such as Bleep, sh*t, retarded, dead, death, kill, drunk etc are suggestive. This explains why many coroprate individuals refrain from some of those words on T.V. If I was a psychologist for instance, trying to help a temperamental person, I'll encourage the use of more peaceful words especially during arguments. You also seem to suggest that theists seem more angry with the examples of ISIS, Boko haram and Co.

Here we go again...

winner01:



Firstly, you must understand that atheists account for less than 5% of the total worlds population, and of course this will also have an influence on the number of violence committed by several atheists. However on request, I can give you sufficient examples of atheists of our generations, comitting violence simply because they don't believe in God.

You can't. Meanwhile, you're saying atheists are just 5% and that's not sufficient to compare the overall violence commited by the two parties but you tend to lose sight of the fact that that little percentage is what makes it so easy for you to generalize about them. If 5% is to small for such comparison, then everything you've been typing about atheists being more hate filled is based on what? 5% is not too small to know who's more angry and hate-filled but too small to know who's more violent?

winner01:

Secondly, while I don't have any explanation for Islam, I can provide facts that prove that atheists have committed more terror than Islam ever will provided Islamic adherents continue to kill people at this rate for then next 50years. So if the actions of Islamic adherents is your reason for thinking they are more hate filled than atheists, you're wrong.

Hhmm... you said atheists population is 5% and that has effect on the violence rate from the circle. This implies it will be unfair to compare violent rates. Now, you have successfully compared violent rates regardless of the little population and have come to a conclusions that atheists have commited more terror. This does not seem to tally but then, maybe I'm the one not getting it. I'll just flow with you. As regards the point raised, I do not believe you. I'm surprised you even slightly suggested atheists have inflicted more terror than Muslims.

winner01:

Thirdly, those who killed or burnt people in the name of their religion, I'll like to know their religion. Certainly not the religion named after a MAN who stood against religious zealots ready to stone a prostitute.
Nigeria, like many African countries may seem to have adopted many foreign religious views, but you certainly cannot deny that we still retain some of our spiritual systems and beliefs. We were killing our twins before Mary slessor, a christian missionary, arrived.

Their religions are Christianity, Islam, etc. That's not to undermine the contributions of our dear Mary Slessor.

winner01:


In ile Ife, osun state, some scholars are of the belief that the oracle demands for 1 full fledged human daily for sacrifice. Virginity was a big deal across Yoruba land, wicked witches and wizards were publicly disgraced after the oracle exposed them. I can give many examples of barbarism in several traditional African religions.

Many of these beliefs are retained among many Africans. Nigeria is not an exception. Jungle justice is still the order of the day. These are culturally oriented. How would you stone a sinner and claim to want to emulate a MAN who protected sinners .Moreover who made such people judges over other humans.

Nigeria is suffering majorly from the effects of corruption and bad governance, which have given birth to tension, frustrations, poverty induced ignorance, abuse of human rights etc. which unfortunately affects several other African countries.

You're quick to push the shortcomings of theism to other factors but strive to convince me the acts of your atheists friends are as a result of atheism. That's the difference between you and those authors above. Lol.

winner01:

In foreign countries, I've seen churches organise programs where members prepare free snacks in public for anybody interested, regardless of their beliefs. I've seen a foreign church bus park outside a club to help those who are too drunk to drive or go to their homes, and several other charitable acts. Do I also need to mention that Christianity runs the largest charity in the world? Is this the same Christianity we observe in Nigeria? If not, what's wrong? Maybe culture and traditional beliefs, maybe ignorance and illiteracy, maybe none of the above.

True but don't forget theists constitute 95% so we can't compare such things

budaatum:

I bet you can't!

Meanwhile, for popular consumption. Listed here is some violence committed by some. Note the witch killing too, and the policing of the thoughts in peoples' minds.

I bet you'd be told they are not doing it for Christ, but you try using that to excuse those they claim is done by atheists and you see how wriggly some get.

Lol don't bet, stay with me, ill give you proof as far as I can get, on atheists that killed because they didn't believe in God.

I was expecting something more concrete evidence on Christianity and violence. But thanks, Instead, I learnt much more about Christianity's opposition to violence on the same wikipedia site you posted.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/7061902_img20180503192117_jpega1c3e26fd4811db41ceb1ae98103e23c

I'm simply telling you, humanity has an affinity for violence, and just any structure can be used to justify violence. However if we are to compare recorded casualties from theists and atheists, theistic casualties pale in comparison to atheistic casualties. I can give proof for this if you request pleasantly.


This picture below however shows that, minus religion, humans will find other reasons to go to war with each other.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/3861249_img20160608072600edit_png0d6c36e885a2749ff7ee439996b28aaf

budaatum:

And yours is what, exactly? The word of god?!

My opinion with verifiable evidence, your opinion just mere words.

Plus, I am a god, when we go into details. Psalm 82:6

budaatum:

I would have expected you to claim "If there were no God, there'd be nothing".

Just goes to show the breadth of you I suppose.

I reiterate, no God means no atheists.

etrange:


People ridicule people especially those who don't share their views. I'm not saying otherwise. I'm only saying it's not a function of atheism. The way Christians on NL mock and trash-talk Islam is enough to drive home this point.

Your first statement is true for half-educated individuals. I won't ridicule someone merely because he has a ridiculous opinion. My grandmother, a christian, for instance believe in many traditional superstitions, I try as much as possible to educate her in pleasant ways.

I've been on this section since 2015, throughout my stay here, I can guarantee that I've seen atheists ridicule Christians on a much larger scale than Christians ridicule Muslims. This made me focus on Christian apologetics, because I noticed this section subtly promotes atheism.

Also, if theists ridicule each other, on a religion section, I wonder why an atheist will want to get on a religion section to share his belief disbelief.

etrange:


I said it before and I'm saying it again, picking a theists choice of words from a church group is the most ridiculous research ever. A research we know the outcome before embarking on. Your school WhatsApp group would have been a better sample. No one, myself inclusive, would go to church group and not try conform. On the other hand, the atheists wouldn't use such words in an office, for example. What I'm saying here is that the word stuff doesn't prove a thing. It's all messed up by environmental factors.

I'm happy the research was not conducted by members of a Christian institute. The words you post online are nothing but products of your mind, which impacts your health, and society like other research suggests.

I simply gave you scientific evidence, to back up my propositions, you can either call it good science or bad science

etrange:


Dearest, there's something you're not getting. Atheism is not ritualistic. There's no layed down rule. There's no master file or holy book or leader or anything of such. So quoting these supposedly atheistic authors who have lent voices to their opinionated conclusions may not really carry much weight. I love their intelligence. I have quoted some of them before but you will see other atheists who do not agree with these authors. Think of it, a man who probably grew up a Christian and later decided the bible is written by man and not worth it; is it the works of these authors he'd follow religiously? An atheist is a free minded individual. That is why it is hard for theists to comprehensively decipher a way to address theism.

But all the same, I appreciate these works of research. You probably read these stuffs more than myself . I personally believe the idea of drawing a line between old and new atheists is just a matter of convenience. But then, most such divisions are. The fact is, humans are evolving generally. While the so-called old atheists could have been more aggressive in conversations and less tolerant, Christians were already killing non Christians in other countries. Inter-religious wars were at their peaks. Christans had something to kill for. Muslims had something to kill for. This wasn't the case for the so-called old atheists. There was simply no reason to kill. Fast forward to years later, they are the ones tagged angry and hate-filled.

On the contrary, atheism is getting ritualistic, its getting cult-like. I wouldn’t agree with some religious people that I’ve seen call atheism a religion, but I have noted that many atheists are quite religiously orientated themselves. Sam Harris notes a sort of “piety” in the atheist camp after some criticism was made of his work:

“…there is something cult-like about the culture of atheism. In fact, much of the criticism I have received of my speech is so utterly lacking in content that I can only interpret it as a product of offended atheist piety”.

I write once again that atheists regurgitate and repeat the same arguments and most especially "lines" of prominent atheists, this is cult-like. I follow foreign atheism a lot an this is why I know, I follow foreign atheism so that I can describe it to their Nigerian colleagues. Most of the examples I've given on atheist on this section are foreign.

If the atheist is free-minded, why can't many of them think independently. I think one of the mistakes of this generation is to think free thinking is exclusive to atheism.

While I don't like to speak on Christians killing non Christians, I'd like to point out that Christ-ians are people who wish to be like Christ. If you're honest enough, you can judge the life of a Christian using the life of Christ.
I have no explanations for the misdeeds of Islam but to think atheists were not killing non-atheists is quite bias.

It is estimated that in the past 100 years, atheistic communism have caused the death of somewhere between 158,368,610 to 259,432,000 human lives. Dr. R. J. Rummel, professor emeritus of political science at the University of Hawaii, is the scholar who first coined the term democide (death by government). Dr. R. J. Rummel's mid estimate regarding the loss of life due to communism is that atheistic communism caused the death of approximately 110,286,000 people between 1917 and 1987.

Theodore Beale notes concerning atheism and mass murder:
"Apparently it was just an amazing coincidence that every Communist of historical note publicly declared his atheism … .there have been twenty-eight countries in world history that can be confirmed to have been ruled by regimes with avowed atheists at the helm … These twenty-eight historical regimes have been ruled by eighty-nine atheists, of whom more than half have engaged in democidal acts of the sort committed by Stalin and Mao …"

The total body count for the ninety years between 1917 and 2007 is not least than 158 million dead at the bloody hands of fifty-two atheists, three times more than all the human beings killed by war, civil war, and individual crime in the entire twentieth century combined.

The historical record of collective atheism is thus 182,716 times worse on an annual basis than Christianity’s worst and most infamous misdeed, the Spanish Inquisition. It is not only Stalin and Mao who were so murderously inclined, they were merely the worst of the whole Hell-bound lot. For every Pol Pot whose infamous name is still spoken with horror today, there was a Mengistu, a Bierut, and a Choibalsan, godless men whose names are now forgotten everywhere but in the lands they once ruled with a red hand.

Is a 58 percent chance that an atheist leader will murder a noticeable percentage of the population over which he rules sufficient evidence that atheism does, in fact, provide a systematic influence to do bad things? If that is not deemed to be conclusive, how about the fact that the average atheist crime against humanity is 18.3 million percent worse than the very worst depredation committed by Christians, even though atheists have had less than one-twentieth the number of opportunities with which to commit them. If one considers the statistically significant size of the historical atheist set and contrasts it with the fact that not one in a thousand religious leaders have committed similarly large-scale atrocities, it is impossible to conclude otherwise, even if we do not yet understand exactly why this should be the case. Once might be an accident, even twice could be coincidence, but fifty-two incidents in ninety years reeks of causation!


You're free to disagree with me, but here is verifiable evidence showing the bloodiness of atheists who have found their way to power.

As other atheists would say, communism has nothing to do with atheism, but with overflowing verifiable evidence, I'll step back and let the atheist communists do the talking.

Do you still not think I can recognize hate when I see one?
Let's leave all the atheistic communism story and jump to atheists today, one would expect them to have learnt or evolved past the condescending stage right?

I'll go on to prove, undeniable, and with a pool of evidence, that majority of atheists today are still as hate-filled and angry as their predecessors.

etrange:


If there's anything to pick from these guys' books, it's the notion that they were sincere enough to admit that things weren't/aren't so smooth on their own end. They dared to point out errors of past members of their team and criticised it. That's what atheism is all about, freedom of expression of one's mind without striving to defend another person's actions or opinion if found wanting. But you'd rather use it against them. Imagine if Christians were judged with the act of their past members, we'd just kill all of you. Lol.

Lol, if Christians were as violent and conservative as you think they are, it will cost just a few lives to hold all of you to ransom, just like Islamic countries . May I remind you that Christianity constitute 1/3 of the total worlds population. We could simply have your voices, but no, resistance will be met by other Christians who are in fact Christ-like (like it happened during the transatlantic slave-trade era)

etrange:


I think I've addressed these word thing enough. I'd rather keep my kid with someone that shouts "Bleep" every morning than with a pastor that will pull her pant in front of the congregation in the name of deliverance.

In my initial reply, I did note that "regardless of their hidden behaviour". I'll go with a more pleasant person than with an angry person.

If you're honest enough, you can judge a pervert using the life of Christ. Except you think Christ was also a perv.

etrange:



I'm here with you cause you brought up a topic I find worthwhile, bro. Not to convert you. Your religion is is not my problem provided you don't hurt others though I'll still engage logically if you find it worthwhile to challenge my views. I'll only rise against you when I see stuffs like pastors shaving armpits, boko haram killing peeps, etc. No one promised me heaven when I convert others nah. Tell me, which will you see more on NL, atheists ridiculing theists or Christians mocking Islam? A sincere response is enough.

Speak for yourself bro, there are more crusading atheists than you think.

I gave a sincere answer earlier, remember I've been on this section since 2015.

etrange:


You can't. Meanwhile, you're saying atheists are just 5% and that's not sufficient to compare the overall violence commited by the two parties but you tend to lose sight of the fact that that little percentage is what makes it so easy for you to generalize about them. If 5% is to small for such comparison, then everything you've been typing about atheists being more hate filled is based on what? 5% is not too small to know who's more angry and hate-filled but too small to know who's more violent?

I can, and I will, right after my short reply. What I meant by atheists are just 5% is that, we would naturally see fewer examples of militant atheists than militant religious individuals given their smaller percentage.

Feel free to look up the few examples I can get my hands on;


Ted Kaczynski
American atheist and anarchist who killed 3 people and injured 23 others with a series of homemade bombs. His parents raised him as an "intellectual atheist," and he maintained, "I believe in nothing."


Gary Heidnick
Criminal from Pennsylvania who kidnapped, tortured, and raped 6 women, eventually murdering 2 of them, turning one into food and feeding her to the others. Though he founded a mock "church" on the side to receive tax exemptions, he said he had always been an atheist.


Brian Dugan
Serial killer who murdered 3 people and sexually assaulted several women in Chicago. He described himself as atheist to reporters and said he did not believe in heaven or hell, good or evil, calling them all "mad-made constructions."


Craig Stephen Hicks
Atheist mass murderer who killed 3 Muslim students in the 2015 Chapel Hill shooting. He regularly made online posts condeming all religions, described himself as an "anti-theist," was a supporter of “Atheists for Equality,” and was an outspoken fan of Richard Dawkins’ book The God Delusion.


Richard Kuklinski
American contract killer who murdered up to 250 people for the mob. He admitted to being an atheist, saying the Church was a sham and that if God really existed, there would be no violence in the world.


Jack Kevorkian
American pathologist and promoter of euthanasia who performed over 130 physician-assisted suicides and was eventually arrested for it. When asked if he believed in a god, he quipped, "Bach. At least I didn't make mine up."


Eric Harris
One of the two high school students who committed the "Columbine High School Massacre" in which they shot and killed 13 people and injured 24 others (before killing themselves). He had written in his journal that he did not want to do what "parents, cops, God, or teachers" tell him to do, making him, at the very least, a practical atheist (and notably, he never indicated he believed in God at all). As recorded on a video tape, Harris is seen saying, "Go Romans! Thank God they crucified that asshole." He was enamored with Charles Darwin's concept of "Natural Selection," writing, "Natural SELECTION!!!!!!!!!!! God damn it's the best thing that ever happened to the Earth. Getting rid of all the stupid and weak organisms. I wish the government would just take off every warning label. So then all the dumbasses would either severely hurt themselves or DIE!" On the day of the shooting, he wore a t-shirt with the label "Natural Selection" written across it.


Dylan Klebold
The other one of the two high school students who committed the "Columbine High School Massacre" in which (once again) they shot and killed 13 people and injured 24 others (before killing themselves). Recorded on video tape, he is seen cheering with Harris for the Romans because they crucified Christ ("that asshole" as Harris put it). Also on video tape, Klebold said he disliked one of his classmates, Rachel Scott, calling her a "Christian, Godly little LovePeddler," suggesting than he was not only an atheist but an anti-theist as well. Klebold and Harris made her the first victim of the Columbine shooting. After shooting her once, he asked, "Do you still believe in God?" to which she said, "You know I do." He then mocked, "Go be with with him," shooting her in the head.


Kimveer Gill
Canadian mass shooter and self-described atheist who perpetrated the "Dawson College shooting," in which he shot and killed 1 and injured 19 others, before shooting himself in the head. In addition to being a fan of the Columbine High School Massacre, he had written on his website, "I hate this world, I hate the people in it, I hate the way people live, I hate God, I hate the deceivers, I hate betrayers, I hate religious zealots, I hate everything ... I hate so much ..."


Kip Kinkel
Atheist High Schooler who shot and killed both his parents. The next day he went to school and shot and killed 2 students as well as wounded 35 others in the "Thurston High School shooting." He said, "If there was a God, he wouldn't let me feel the way I do. There is no God, only hate."


Michael Adam Carneal
A self-professed atheist who went to a religious youth group in Kentucky and began shooting them after the opening prayer, murdering three girls and wounding five others.


Seung-Hui Cho
South Korean mass shooter who killed 32 students (before killing himself) in the "Virginia Tech Shooting." He apparently had become an atheist, having dropped out of his church, and, according to his roommate, had "railed against his parents' strong Christian faith."


Matti Juhani Saari
Finnish atheist who shot and killed 10 people in the "Kauhajoki school shooting," before committing suicide.


James Holmes
American mass murderer who was convicted on 24 counts of murder and 140 counts of attempted murder, having shot up a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, which was playing the film "The Dark Knight Rises" while he was dressed as the Joker. He had labelled himself an agnostic on an online dating service website (which, according to some atheists, would make him qualify as an atheist).


Jeffrey James Weise
Ojibwe student who killed 9 and injured 7 people at Red Lake Senior High School, after which he then shot himself. His behavior during the shooting spree indicated militant atheism as a motive. He shot a female teacher in response to her saying, "God be with us," and then turned and asked a student, "Do you believe in God?" to which the student answered, "No," and consequently spared the student and proceeded to find alternate targets.


Elliot Rodger
Atheist mass murderer who killed 6 people and injured 14 others at the University of California, Santa Barbara, using multiple guns and knives, and then committed suicide. He had written in his journal: "I am the closest thing there is to a living god. Humanity is a disgusting, depraved, and evil species. It is my purpose to punish them all."


Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer
Mass murderer from California who killed 9 people at Umpqua Community College in Oregon, the deadliest shooting in the state's history. He described himself as an atheist on his MySpace page and asked multiple people if they were Christians and then shot them after they answered yes.


Pekka-Eric Auvinen
Finnish student and Nazi enthusiast who shot and killed 8 people before killing himself in the "Jokela school shooting." He described himself as a "godlike atheist," having said, "I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit."


Jared Lee Loughner
Atheist mass shooter in the 2011 Tucson shooting, killing 6 people (including a U.S. District Court Judge) and injuring 13 others (including a U.S. Representative). He was an outspoken critic of US currency having the phrase "In God We Trust," repeatedly mocked all religion (especially Christianity), and said Karl Marx's "The Communist Manifesto" was one of his favorite books.


John Hughes
Atheist serial killer from the Isle of Man who confessed to killing 15 or more people. He compared himself to the Anti-Christ and told reporters he did not believe in God.


Israel Keyes
Atheist serial killer from Utah who murdered 8 or more people before killing himself.


Seth Privacky
American mass murderer who killed 5 people, including his parents, brother, and grandfather, telling people that he had been raised with "an atheistic, or agnostic, view to life."


Jeffrey Dahmer
Atheist serial killer who murdered 17 people. He tortured, raped, dismembered, and cannibalized several of his victims. He credited his atheism for being the reason why he killed people, saying, "If it all happens naturalistically, what's the need for a god? Can't I set my own rules? Who owns me? I own myself."


David Berkowitz
Atheist serial killer who murdered 6 people and wounded 7 others. He claimed he was involved with a Satanic cult but also said he did not believe in God.


Leonard Lake
Californian serial-killer and atheist who, along with his co-conspirator Charles Ng, murdered 11 to 25 people.


Dennis Nilsen
British serial killer, homosexual necrophiliac, and atheist who strangled 12 men to death.


Ted Bundy
Atheist serial killer who murdered 30 to over 100 people.


James Oliver Huberty
American mass shooter and atheist who shot and killed 21 people, injuring 19 others, in the "San Ysidro McDonald's massacre."


Andrei Chikatilo
Soviet serial killer who killed and cannibalized 53 people. He confessed that Communism had a negative effect on him and that his atheism inspired him with anxiety which caused his mind to "split."


Jim Jones
American Marxist who transformed a group of church members into a Communist cult, wherein his fanatical followers would commit suicide on his command, resulting in a mass suicide of over 900 people (some of whom were forcibly killed, including children). He said that he "took the church and used the church to bring people to atheism."


Alvin Lee King III
A former teacher at a Texas high school, where he was known to be an outspoken atheist, who burst into a church with a rifle and a pistol, murdering 5 Christians and wounding at least 10 others (later hanging himself in his jail cell).


Bhagat Singh
Indian Marxist who opposed Gandhi's philosophy of non-violence and murdered a police officer and threw bombs into a crowd, causing injuries but fortunately no deaths. He wrote a work called "Why I am an Atheist," saying, "Where is God? What is He doing? Is He getting a diseased pleasure out of it? A Nero! A Genghis Khan! Down with Him!"


Paul Jaworski
Polish Atheist and gangster in Cleveland, Ohio, who killed up to 26 people. Before his execution, he was offered to see a chaplain but responded, "I preached atheism since the day I quit singing the choir. A man is yellow if he spends his life believing in nothing and then comes crawling to the church because he is afraid his death is near."


Carl Panzram
American criminal and atheist who murdered 21 people, raped over 1,000 people, and committed multiple burglaries, robberies, larcenies, and arsons. He said, "I don't believe in man, God nor Devil. I hate the whole damned human race, including myself... I preyed upon the weak, the harmless and the unsuspecting. This lesson I was taught by others: Might makes right."


Marc Lépine
Canadian Atheist who shot and murdered 14 women and wounded 14 others and then shot himself in the [i]"Montreal Massacre." His mother reported that he was "a confirmed atheist all his life."


Timothy McVeigh
American terrorist who was convicted of the Oklahoma City Bombing, which killed 168 people and injured over 600 others (the deadliest terrorist attack prior to September 11, 2001). He informed the press that he did not believe in God.


David Roland Waters
An atheist and office manager of the organization called "American Atheists" who murdered 4 people.

etrange:


This does not seem to tally but then, maybe I'm the one not getting it. I'll just flow with you. As regards the point raised, I do not believe you. I'm surprised you even slightly suggested atheists have inflicted more terror than Muslims.

According to history bro, atheists has inflicted more terror than Muslims. See earlier evidence.

etrange:


Their religions are Christianity, Islam, etc. That's not to undermine the contributions of our dear Mary Slessor.

Do you agree that we have not fully let go of our African spiritual system? This was my point in that reply.

etrange:


You're quick to push the shortcomings of theism to other factors but strive to convince me the acts of your atheists friends are as a result of atheism. That's the difference between you and those authors above. Lol.

Don't misunderstand me bro. The human nature is capable of hate and crimes, in the absence of theism, atheism, politics etc, humans will find something else to base their evils on. This thread was simply intended to give scientific proof, backing the possible effects of words on personal health and society. You can disregard the scientific research given if you will, I'm simply driving at a point.

etrange:


True but don't forget theists constitute 95% so we can't compare such things

I did an M.Sc in social sciences, apart from sciences. And one of the things I learnt during my research is that: regardless of the percentage of your population, a reasonable sample size, randomly selected, representing the population, can provide a valid instrument for your research.

winner01:
Lol don't bet, stay with me, ill give you proof as far as I can get, on atheists that killed because they didn't believe in God.

I was expecting something more concrete evidence on Christianity and violence. But thanks, Instead, I learnt much more about Christianity's opposition to violence on the same wikipedia site you posted.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/7061902_img20180503192117_jpega1c3e26fd4811db41ceb1ae98103e23c

I was expecting nothing better than what you posted. The fallacy however is in thinking all those detailed as killed were killed by atheists. I guess if fits in with your idea of what atheists are, we go about killing people because, after all, there is no hell to go to.

If you read my first post in this same thread you would have understood that all atrocities are done by people and that even those in the link I posted were not done because they were Christians, but because of their own prejudices which they justified by their own warped notion of Christianity. But look how you would go on and not use the same measure when it comes to your own faith!

Its what Muslims say too, that Islam does not tell anyone to kill anyone and that those who think it does are wrong. But of course you would think one would only post it as an atheist because one wants to prove the superiority of one over the other.

Well, enjoy. I know to say "peace" and shake your dust off me as I depart. But before I go, could you provide a list of mass murderers who were Christians too please

winner01:

I can, and I will, right after my short reply. What I meant by atheists are just 5% is that, we would naturally see fewer examples of militant atheists than militant religious individuals given their smaller percentage.
Feel free to look up the few examples I can get my hands on;

But you can see more examples of their hatred/atrocities despite their few population. Isn't that a science of selectivity?

winner01:

Ted Kaczynski
American atheist and anarchist who killed 3 people and injured 23 others with a series of homemade bombs. His parents raised him as an "intellectual atheist," and he maintained, "I believe in nothing."


Gary Heidnick
Criminal from Pennsylvania who kidnapped, tortured, and raped 6 women, eventually murdering 2 of them, turning one into food and feeding her to the others. Though he founded a mock "church" on the side to receive tax exemptions, he said he had always been an atheist.


Brian Dugan
Serial killer who murdered 3 people and sexually assaulted several women in Chicago. He described himself as atheist to reporters and said he did not believe in heaven or hell, good or evil, calling them all "mad-made constructions."


Craig Stephen Hicks
Atheist mass murderer who killed 3 Muslim students in the 2015 Chapel Hill shooting. He regularly made online posts condeming all religions, described himself as an "anti-theist," was a supporter of “Atheists for Equality,” and was an outspoken fan of Richard Dawkins’ book The God Delusion.


Richard Kuklinski
American contract killer who murdered up to 250 people for the mob. He admitted to being an atheist, saying the Church was a sham and that if God really existed, there would be no violence in the world.


Jack Kevorkian
American pathologist and promoter of euthanasia who performed over 130 physician-assisted suicides and was eventually arrested for it. When asked if he believed in a god, he quipped, "Bach. At least I didn't make mine up."


Eric Harris
One of the two high school students who committed the "Columbine High School Massacre" in which they shot and killed 13 people and injured 24 others (before killing themselves). He had written in his journal that he did not want to do what "parents, cops, God, or teachers" tell him to do, making him, at the very least, a practical atheist (and notably, he never indicated he believed in God at all). As recorded on a video tape, Harris is seen saying, "Go Romans! Thank God they crucified that asshole." He was enamored with Charles Darwin's concept of "Natural Selection," writing, "Natural SELECTION!!!!!!!!!!! God damn it's the best thing that ever happened to the Earth. Getting rid of all the stupid and weak organisms. I wish the government would just take off every warning label. So then all the dumbasses would either severely hurt themselves or DIE!" On the day of the shooting, he wore a t-shirt with the label "Natural Selection" written across it.


Dylan Klebold
The other one of the two high school students who committed the "Columbine High School Massacre" in which (once again) they shot and killed 13 people and injured 24 others (before killing themselves). Recorded on video tape, he is seen cheering with Harris for the Romans because they crucified Christ ("that asshole" as Harris put it). Also on video tape, Klebold said he disliked one of his classmates, Rachel Scott, calling her a "Christian, Godly little LovePeddler," suggesting than he was not only an atheist but an anti-theist as well. Klebold and Harris made her the first victim of the Columbine shooting. After shooting her once, he asked, "Do you still believe in God?" to which she said, "You know I do." He then mocked, "Go be with with him," shooting her in the head.


Kimveer Gill
Canadian mass shooter and self-described atheist who perpetrated the "Dawson College shooting," in which he shot and killed 1 and injured 19 others, before shooting himself in the head. In addition to being a fan of the Columbine High School Massacre, he had written on his website, "I hate this world, I hate the people in it, I hate the way people live, I hate God, I hate the deceivers, I hate betrayers, I hate religious zealots, I hate everything ... I hate so much ..."


Kip Kinkel
Atheist High Schooler who shot and killed both his parents. The next day he went to school and shot and killed 2 students as well as wounded 35 others in the "Thurston High School shooting." He said, "If there was a God, he wouldn't let me feel the way I do. There is no God, only hate."


Michael Adam Carneal
A self-professed atheist who went to a religious youth group in Kentucky and began shooting them after the opening prayer, murdering three girls and wounding five others.


Seung-Hui Cho
South Korean mass shooter who killed 32 students (before killing himself) in the "Virginia Tech Shooting." He apparently had become an atheist, having dropped out of his church, and, according to his roommate, had "railed against his parents' strong Christian faith."


Matti Juhani Saari
Finnish atheist who shot and killed 10 people in the "Kauhajoki school shooting," before committing suicide.


James Holmes
American mass murderer who was convicted on 24 counts of murder and 140 counts of attempted murder, having shot up a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, which was playing the film "The Dark Knight Rises" while he was dressed as the Joker. He had labelled himself an agnostic on an online dating service website (which, according to some atheists, would make him qualify as an atheist).


Jeffrey James Weise
Ojibwe student who killed 9 and injured 7 people at Red Lake Senior High School, after which he then shot himself. His behavior during the shooting spree indicated militant atheism as a motive. He shot a female teacher in response to her saying, "God be with us," and then turned and asked a student, "Do you believe in God?" to which the student answered, "No," and consequently spared the student and proceeded to find alternate targets.


Elliot Rodger
Atheist mass murderer who killed 6 people and injured 14 others at the University of California, Santa Barbara, using multiple guns and knives, and then committed suicide. He had written in his journal: "I am the closest thing there is to a living god. Humanity is a disgusting, depraved, and evil species. It is my purpose to punish them all."


Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer
Mass murderer from California who killed 9 people at Umpqua Community College in Oregon, the deadliest shooting in the state's history. He described himself as an atheist on his MySpace page and asked multiple people if they were Christians and then shot them after they answered yes.


Pekka-Eric Auvinen
Finnish student and Nazi enthusiast who shot and killed 8 people before killing himself in the "Jokela school shooting." He described himself as a "godlike atheist," having said, "I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit."


Jared Lee Loughner
Atheist mass shooter in the 2011 Tucson shooting, killing 6 people (including a U.S. District Court Judge) and injuring 13 others (including a U.S. Representative). He was an outspoken critic of US currency having the phrase "In God We Trust," repeatedly mocked all religion (especially Christianity), and said Karl Marx's "The Communist Manifesto" was one of his favorite books.


John Hughes
Atheist serial killer from the Isle of Man who confessed to killing 15 or more people. He compared himself to the Anti-Christ and told reporters he did not believe in God.


Israel Keyes
Atheist serial killer from Utah who murdered 8 or more people before killing himself.


Seth Privacky
American mass murderer who killed 5 people, including his parents, brother, and grandfather, telling people that he had been raised with "an atheistic, or agnostic, view to life."


Jeffrey Dahmer
Atheist serial killer who murdered 17 people. He tortured, raped, dismembered, and cannibalized several of his victims. He credited his atheism for being the reason why he killed people, saying, "If it all happens naturalistically, what's the need for a god? Can't I set my own rules? Who owns me? I own myself."


David Berkowitz
Atheist serial killer who murdered 6 people and wounded 7 others. He claimed he was involved with a Satanic cult but also said he did not believe in God.


Leonard Lake
Californian serial-killer and atheist who, along with his co-conspirator Charles Ng, murdered 11 to 25 people.


Dennis Nilsen
British serial killer, homosexual necrophiliac, and atheist who strangled 12 men to death.


Ted Bundy
Atheist serial killer who murdered 30 to over 100 people.


James Oliver Huberty
American mass shooter and atheist who shot and killed 21 people, injuring 19 others, in the "San Ysidro McDonald's massacre."


Andrei Chikatilo
Soviet serial killer who killed and cannibalized 53 people. He confessed that Communism had a negative effect on him and that his atheism inspired him with anxiety which caused his mind to "split."


Jim Jones
American Marxist who transformed a group of church members into a Communist cult, wherein his fanatical followers would commit suicide on his command, resulting in a mass suicide of over 900 people (some of whom were forcibly killed, including children). He said that he "took the church and used the church to bring people to atheism."


Alvin Lee King III
A former teacher at a Texas high school, where he was known to be an outspoken atheist, who burst into a church with a rifle and a pistol, murdering 5 Christians and wounding at least 10 others (later hanging himself in his jail cell).


Bhagat Singh
Indian Marxist who opposed Gandhi's philosophy of non-violence and murdered a police officer and threw bombs into a crowd, causing injuries but fortunately no deaths. He wrote a work called "Why I am an Atheist," saying, "Where is God? What is He doing? Is He getting a diseased pleasure out of it? A Nero! A Genghis Khan! Down with Him!"


Paul Jaworski
Polish Atheist and gangster in Cleveland, Ohio, who killed up to 26 people. Before his execution, he was offered to see a chaplain but responded, "I preached atheism since the day I quit singing the choir. A man is yellow if he spends his life believing in nothing and then comes crawling to the church because he is afraid his death is near."


Carl Panzram
American criminal and atheist who murdered 21 people, raped over 1,000 people, and committed multiple burglaries, robberies, larcenies, and arsons. He said, "I don't believe in man, God nor Devil. I hate the whole damned human race, including myself... I preyed upon the weak, the harmless and the unsuspecting. This lesson I was taught by others: Might makes right."


Marc Lépine
Canadian Atheist who shot and murdered 14 women and wounded 14 others and then shot himself in the [i]"Montreal Massacre." His mother reported that he was "a confirmed atheist all his life."


Timothy McVeigh
American terrorist who was convicted of the Oklahoma City Bombing, which killed 168 people and injured over 600 others (the deadliest terrorist attack prior to September 11, 2001). He informed the press that he did not believe in God.


David Roland Waters
An atheist and office manager of the organization called "American Atheists" who murdered 4 people.



According to history bro, atheists has inflicted more terror than Muslims. See earlier evidence.

Lol... I read the first set of crimes here and I can see you spooled out a list of past crimes where the culprits happened to be atheists. Really, that is your point? You think the whole of NL will be enough to write down past crimes where the culprits were found to be Christians? All the crimes we on NL front-page alone will be enough. Brotherly, when people kill in the name of their gods, we attribute it to the religion not when someone commits a crime and we eventually release he is from a part uvular religion, we start saying the religion is the cause. That is, in fact, one of the issues with theists.

winner01:

Do you agree that we have not fully let go of our African spiritual system? This was my point in that reply.

You want me to believe the deeds of these people have nothing to do with their stance as Christians but as a result of their African spiritual system? You may be right. But it bothers me that you do not want to believe that the deeds of Malo and other communists have noithing to do with their religion or lack of it but as a result of the political/economic school of thought.

winner01:

Don't misunderstand me bro. The human nature is capable of hate and crimes, in the absence of theism, atheism, politics etc, humans will find something else to base their evils on. This thread was simply intended to give scientific proof, backing the possible effects of words on personal health and society. You can disregard the scientific research given if you will, I'm simply driving at a point.

Who would have known we'd ever agree on something? Pheww....

winner01:

I did an M.Sc in social sciences, apart from sciences. And one of the things I learnt during my research is that: regardless of the percentage of your population, a reasonable sample size, randomly selected, representing the population, can provide a valid instrument for your research.

I did my M.Sc. in Mathematical Sciences, bro. I was only saying if 5% is enough, it is enough. If it is not, it is not. If it is not enough to measure violence, it is also not enough to measure good deeds.

winner01:

On the contrary, atheism is getting ritualistic, its getting cult-like. I wouldn’t agree with some religious people that I’ve seen call atheism a religion, but I have noted that many atheists are quite religiously orientated themselves. Sam Harris notes a sort of “piety” in the atheist camp after some criticism was made of his work:

“…there is something cult-like about the culture of atheism. In fact, much of the criticism I have received of my speech is so utterly lacking in content that I can only interpret it as a product of offended atheist piety”.

I write once again that atheists regurgitate and repeat the same arguments and most especially "lines" of prominent atheists, this is cult-like. I follow foreign atheism a lot an this is why I know, I follow foreign atheism so that I can describe it to their Nigerian colleagues. Most of the examples I've given on atheist on this section are foreign.

If the atheist is free-minded, why can't many of them think independently. I think one of the mistakes of this generation is to think free thinking is exclusive to atheism.

Atheism is not ritualistic, dear friend. You cannot know better on both sides. You are only an authority in your Christendom. Referencing scientific findings of science does not make science ritualistic. There is more to being ritualistic than that. You, a religious person, should know this. Atheists think independently. It is only natural that they agree within each much more than religious people do since there is less contradictions in their circle. This does not mean they agree on all grounds.

winner01:

While I don't like to speak on Christians killing non Christians, I'd like to point out that Christ-ians are people who wish to be like Christ. If you're honest enough, you can judge the life of a Christian using the life of Christ.
I have no explanations for the misdeeds of Islam but to think atheists were not killing non-atheists is quite bias.

You are saying what Christians should be like. A touch of reality will do. How many of you are Christ-like? NONE

winner01:

It is estimated that in the past 100 years, atheistic communism have caused the death of somewhere between 158,368,610 to 259,432,000 human lives. Dr. R. J. Rummel, professor emeritus of political science at the University of Hawaii, is the scholar who first coined the term democide (death by government). Dr. R. J. Rummel's mid estimate regarding the loss of life due to communism is that atheistic communism caused the death of approximately 110,286,000 people between 1917 and 1987.

Theodore Beale notes concerning atheism and mass murder:
"Apparently it was just an amazing coincidence that every Communist of historical note publicly declared his atheism … .there have been twenty-eight countries in world history that can be confirmed to have been ruled by regimes with avowed atheists at the helm … These twenty-eight historical regimes have been ruled by eighty-nine atheists, of whom more than half have engaged in democidal acts of the sort committed by Stalin and Mao …"

The total body count for the ninety years between 1917 and 2007 is not least than 158 million dead at the bloody hands of fifty-two atheists, three times more than all the human beings killed by war, civil war, and individual crime in the entire twentieth century combined.

The historical record of collective atheism is thus 182,716 times worse on an annual basis than Christianity’s worst and most infamous misdeed, the Spanish Inquisition. It is not only Stalin and Mao who were so murderously inclined, they were merely the worst of the whole Hell-bound lot. For every Pol Pot whose infamous name is still spoken with horror today, there was a Mengistu, a Bierut, and a Choibalsan, godless men whose names are now forgotten everywhere but in the lands they once ruled with a red hand.

Is a 58 percent chance that an atheist leader will murder a noticeable percentage of the population over which he rules sufficient evidence that atheism does, in fact, provide a systematic influence to do bad things? If that is not deemed to be conclusive, how about the fact that the average atheist crime against humanity is 18.3 million percent worse than the very worst depredation committed by Christians, even though atheists have had less than one-twentieth the number of opportunities with which to commit them. If one considers the statistically significant size of the historical atheist set and contrasts it with the fact that not one in a thousand religious leaders have committed similarly large-scale atrocities, it is impossible to conclude otherwise, even if we do not yet understand exactly why this should be the case. Once might be an accident, even twice could be coincidence, but fifty-two incidents in ninety years reeks of causation!


You're free to disagree with me, but here is verifiable evidence showing the bloodiness of atheists who have found their way to power.

These are effects of communism, bro. Communism is not atheism. Atheism is a religious concept. Communism is an economic and political system. Communism is based on materialism. It is a materialistic philosophy. It is amazing that when asked the killings of atheist, you bring out the death toll caused by the socioeconomic concept of communism. Communism is not an atheistic concept, there were Christian communists too. It just baffles me that each time a theist is asked to show the violence of atheism, he moves to communism but I am not surprised cause there is nothing they can hold onto. Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot were all atheists, true. These atheists doubled as communists but atheists are not communists. The death toll mentioned was as a result of their faulty governance and incompetent planning and not their religious background. Both theists and theists died as a result of that. The only thing that remotely connects atheism and Communism is the Soviet anti-religious campaign which began in 1929. 'According to Wikipedia, 85.000 Orthodox priests were shot in 1937. The anti-religious enthusiasm dropped as a result of Operation Barbarossa (the German invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941). It is estimated that between 1917 and 1964, 50.000 monks have been executed. As you can see, we have numbers in the ten thousands here; a small number compared to the sum of all casualties (100 million) of the Soviet era caused by communism. Seeking out political dissenters and suspected spies was simply more important than persecuting believers'. It was clearly a war against anything anti-communism and believers were caught up in the middle as Christians communists had a slightly different view.

That a group of atheists who trusted so much in the communism concept completely lost it and ended up creating more mess does not in any way suggest atheism is the root cause. Hitler was initially a Catholic but no sane mind would attribute his atrocities to Catholicism. Most people, atheists and theists alike, condemn the activities of communists of the 20th century.

winner01:

As other atheists would say, communism has nothing to do with atheism, but with overflowing verifiable evidence, I'll step back and let the atheist communists do the talking.

Unfortunately, I might not have the time to visit your past threads. But I have made my own point above

winner01:

Do you still not think I can recognize hate when I see one?
Let's leave all the atheistic communism story and jump to atheists today, one would expect them to have learnt or evolved past the condescending stage right?

I'll go on to prove, undeniable, and with a pool of evidence, that majority of atheists today are still as hate-filled and angry as their predecessors.

Once again, I am to busy to go reading past threads. Atheists are not hate filled. They preach secularism. They want a society where religion is not a driving factor in general law making. They do not want you to burn churches just because your are a Muslim. They do not want you to refuse them marrying your daughter because they not share your believe. They not want you to say blood transfusion is illegal just cause one religion is against it. They do not want you to burn gay men because your religion is against homosexuality. They are saying, if you must ban any of these, present a logical reason aside religion. Nevertheless, If a violent atheist decides to run for presidency today, most atheists will still not vote for him because that will contradict the whole idea of disregarding religious background. Atheists are saying the leaders should not be chosen based on religious affiliations. Unfortunately, the religious folks do so.

winner01:

Lol, if Christians were as violent and conservative as you think they are, it will cost just a few lives to hold all of you to ransom, just like Islamic countries . May I remind you that Christianity constitute 1/3 of the total worlds population. We could simply have your voices, but no, resistance will be met by other Christians who are in fact Christ-like (like it happened during the transatlantic slave-trade era)

Christians of today are not really very violent people. I have friends from many religious backgrounds and Christians seem to be the most adorable. Maybe cause of my own background too. Christians tend to be docile now. I may not agree with their belief system but I wouldn't go out of my way to talk-trash them. I can mention the contributions of Christianity to the word even more than yourself. I am only saying non religious people are far more tolerant and accommodating than religious people which include Christians. I have not seen an atheists who decides to stop being friends with someone because he/she is religious. I have seen many Christians who would start avoiding you once they know your religious stance. They will always quote a part of the bible that advises us not to move with non believers. Lol.

winner01:

I've been on this section since 2015.

You have said it many times. I have been on NL for 7yrs. I was talking of the whole of NL and not just this section. This place if full of theists vs atheist threads so you will more theists here. On NL as a whole, Christians ridicule Muslims more that they ridicule Buhari. LMAO

budaatum:

I was expecting nothing better than what you posted. The fallacy however is in thinking all those detailed as killed were killed by atheists. I guess if fits in with your idea of what atheists are, we go about killing people because, after all, there is no hell to go to.

No, atheists don't go about killing people. Bad people do. Don't misunderstand me, humanity have murderous tendencies that must be kept in check by law and order.

budaatum:

If you read my first post in this same thread you would have understood that all atrocities are done by people and that even those in the link I posted were not done because they were Christians, but because of their own prejudices which they justified by their own warped notion of Christianity.

I couldn't agree with you less.

budaatum:


Well, enjoy. I know to say "peace" and shake your dust off me as I depart. But before I go, could you provide a list of mass murderers who were Christians too please

I don't know, I'll have to do a research on that. However I do know that Adolf Hitler is always regarded as a Christian even though his worldview later in life seemed anti Christian, which probably influenced his actions.

In June 1941, Hitler ordered an invasion of the Soviet Union. And on 12th July, 1941, he gave the following quote

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)

On 10th October, 1941, he said:

"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)

on 14th October, 1941, he said

"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....
"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse....
"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little....
"Christianity is the liar....
"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52) Hitlers' Table Talks.


On October 19th, 1941
"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges, the pox and christianity"- Table talks"

December 13th of the same year, he said "When all is said and done, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunized against the disease."

Hitler had a terrible mentality and ideology later on in his life, and this led to the murder of about 12,000,000 people.

I'll try to do a compilation of other mass murderers who claimed to be christian, but for now, I'm not aware of any brutal misdeed of " Christianity", surpassing the Spanish inquisition and the crusades

etrange:


But you can see more examples of their hatred/atrocities despite their few population. Isn't that a science of selectivity?

I don't get you my friend, are you saying given that the population of worlds atheists is less than 5%, we can conduct no research to determine attributes peculiar to atheists and atheism?

etrange:


Lol... I read the first set of crimes here and I can see you spooled out a list of past crimes where the culprits happened to be atheists. Really, that is your point? You think the whole of NL will be enough to write down past crimes where the culprits were found to be Christians? All the crimes we on NL front-page alone will be enough. Brotherly, when people kill in the name of their gods, we attribute it to the religion not when someone commits a crime and we eventually release he is from a part uvular religion, we start saying the religion is the cause. That is, in fact, one of the issues with theists.

And I gave you sufficient examples of those who killed because they do not believe in God. Please get my point, anything can be used as justification for killing. Provided that we have more religious people in Nigeria that irreligious people, we will surely have more crimes from people who claim to be religious and of course they will be moved to front page, magnified, especially considering the fact that Oga nairaland is a staunch atheist. You seem to think Nigeria won't be as bad, if atheists were more than theists

Let's do something, try to pretend like a Christian, and go ahead to preach God or Jesus to some random motor park touts, prostitutes, cultists and their likes, you may be shocked that we have more number of irreligious Nigerians than recorded.

etrange:


You want me to believe the deeds of these people have nothing to do with their stance as Christians but as a result of their African spiritual system? You may be right. But it bothers me that you do not want to believe that the deeds of Malo and other communists have noithing to do with their religion or lack of it but as a result of the political/economic school of thought.

Do you want me to give you evidences of barbarism in the African traditional spiritual system?

I'm open to believe the deeds of Mao and others were purely political, I'll only need contrasting evidence.

I was born a skeptic, I'll accept things for which I find valid the evidence.

etrange:



Who would have known we'd ever agree on something? Pheww....

Lol

etrange:


I did my M.Sc. in Mathematical Sciences, bro. I was only saying if 5% is enough, it is enough. If it is not, it is not. If it is not enough to measure violence, it is also not enough to measure good deeds.

I really don't get this. If 5% of the worlds population is 200,000,000 by my estimates, are you saying we can't get a reasonable sample size effectively representing that population, for the purpose of research?