Primesky:


Lord Jesus please help this man to know you.

Oga, as if you don't know, begotten is to to beget which means to father someone.

Everything else in the universe was created.

For instance, Lucifer, who became Satan, was a high ranking angel, and he was created like every other angel. See the passage below.

Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Jesus coming to the earth as man, not born by the natural process of human procreation, rather by the Holy Spirit of God, is now a begotten son of God. But Jesus Christ is the very God himself. God existing as a tripartite being. Three in one and one in three. God demonstrated this in man as well. Man is a tripartite being made in the image of God too. You can only see one individual, but he/she is actually three. The spirit, soul and body. And even when this body dies, the Lord promised to give us anew glorified body far higher and better than this one. So, you are a trininity as well because you are made in the image of God. Angels are not like that, just spirit body.

Regarding the angels, they all were created and made to be spirit. This is by the breathe of God. Not any sexual relationship or anything like that, but the breathe of God. Both the soul and spirit of man is made by the breathe and word of God.

This topic is too advanced for this platform. It takes regenerated minds to discuss and discern ur pointers. I blame u for bringing it here. It's not for children or carnal mind. U will hv many bombarding u with silly questions here bro.

Fredrick4:
You have a spirit of error and your statements manifest that you are short of Holy, Ghost.God calls Jesus God see Hebrews1:8,Christ is the Almighty and has the keys of life and death see Revealation1.To you is there any man who has authority over life and death?Jesus existed pre-universe,(John1:-6).To you,is there any man that existed before the universe?Answer my questions.

I disagree with u over saying he has a spirit of error. D fact that u cud delve into such higher mysteries doesn't mean everyone can and shld. Jesus didn't mind that we just separate them as God the father, God the son and God the Holy Spirit. It's another realm entirely to realise they r one and can manifest separately. Don't force this on anyone, it doesn't change much in our race for eternity as Christians.

Ronpet777:


This topic is too advanced for this platform. It takes regenerated minds to discuss and discern ur pointers. I blame u for bringing it here. It's not for children or carnal mind. U will hv many bombarding u with silly questions here bro.

True dear, I won't indulge them always. My concern is for young believers who also come to this platform. You can't imagine how the nonsense these guys say here affect their faith. Otherwise, I will just leave this guys and just pray that God will have mercy on them.

I won't however, keep quiet and watch them spew lies and deceit, why am I here as an ambassador of Christ? My aim is not to win argument but to defend the truth by the help of the Holy Spirit, otherwise, if a lie continues unchallenged, it will be taken as truth. God forbid!.

At least from their questions, one can see their wacky reasoning. Thanks though.

Primesky:


True dear, I won't indulge them always. My concern is for young believers who also come to this platform. You can't imagine how the nonsense these guys say here affect their faith. Otherwise, I will just leave this guys and just pray that God will have mercy on them.

I won't however, keep quiet and watch them spew lies and deceit, why am I here as an ambassador of Christ? My aim is not to win argument but to defend the truth by the help of the Holy Spirit, otherwise, if a lie continues unchallenged, it will be taken as truth. God forbid!.

At least from their questions, one can see their wacky reasoning. Thanks though.

U r welcome bro... I understand ur theories perfectly.

Primesky:


True dear, I won't indulge them always. My concern is for young believers who also come to this platform. You can't imagine how the nonsense these guys say here affect their faith. Otherwise, I will just leave this guys and just pray that God will have mercy on them.

I won't however, keep quiet and watch them spew lies and deceit, why am I here as an ambassador of Christ? My aim is not to win argument but to defend the truth by the help of the Holy Spirit, otherwise, if a lie continues unchallenged, it will be taken as truth. God forbid!.

At least from their questions, one can see their wacky reasoning. Thanks though.

I cannot laugh.

Man if Jesus is not created, How was he begotten ? Why is he called " Son of God ... A title given to Adam and angels because God create them, If he too wasn't created?

Still waiting

Ronpet777:


This topic is too advanced for this platform. It takes regenerated minds to discuss and discern ur pointers. I blame u for bringing it here. It's not for children or carnal mind. U will hv many bombarding u with silly questions here bro.

Your beliefs are on a shaky foundation, if you are so sure of it, You should not fear discussing it.

Peacefullove:



I cannot laugh.

Man if Jesus is not created, How was he begotten ? Why is he called " Son of God ... A title given to Adam and angels because God create them, If he too wasn't created?

Still waiting

John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.The same was in the beginning with God. [b]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.[/b]

Before Jesus came down as a man, He was referred to as the word of God, which is the very God Himself. The passage above tells us that. He was not created, rather, He was the one doing the creation.

Now, I will ask you this question. Can you create a man's word or separate a man's word from him?. Is a man's word a different entity from the man?. Jesus is the word of God. But He became flesh so as to save mankind.

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Tell me, do you not know water exist in three different states, yet they're one and the same water. Ice, vapour and liquid water. Just as water, can separate into three different states, so is God. God is three in one and one in three, a tripartite being. You too, made in the image of God, is a tripartite being.You are a spirit dwelling in a body and have a soul. You don't have the power to separate into three. The moment your spirit leaves your body, your body dies. But God is altogether spirit and He is limitless and powerful. Jesus promised that at His return, He will give us a new glorified body which cannot die. Angels are only spirit bodies.

1 Corinthians 15:52-53 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

So, God the Father, Son (Word) and the Holy Spirit is one and the same God.

See here:
John 14:8-10 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Jesus Christ is Lord forever. Repent and be saved.

Yes, Jesus is the Lord and he is indeed God of all.

Peacefullove:



Your beliefs are on a shaky foundation, if you are so sure of it, You should not fear discussing it.

And who told u anyone fears discussing it?. U cant make me discuss what I don't wish to .There r some sensitive topics that shld be left to discerning hrts not carnal, controversial and nitpickers like u.

Primesky:


John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.The same was in the beginning with God. [b]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.[/b]

Before Jesus came down as a man, He was referred to as the word of God, which is the very God Himself. The passage above tells us that. He was not created, rather, He was the one doing the creation.

Now, I will ask you this question. Can you create a man's word or separate a man's word from him?. Is a man's word a different entity from the man?. Jesus is the word of God. But He became flesh so as to save mankind.

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Tell me, do you not know water exist in three different states, yet they're one and the same water. Ice, vapour and liquid water. Just as water, can separate into three different states, so is God. God is three in one and one in three, a tripartite being. You too, made in the image of God, is a tripartite being.You are a spirit dwelling in a body and have a soul. You don't have the power to separate into three. The moment your spirit leaves your body, your body dies. But God is altogether spirit and He is limitless and powerful. Jesus promised that at His return, He will give us a new glorified body which cannot die. Angels are only spirit bodies.

1 Corinthians 15:52-53 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

So, God the Father, Son (Word) and the Holy Spirit is one and the same God.

See here:
John 14:8-10 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Jesus Christ is Lord forever. Repent and be saved.

U hv made him put u exactly where he wants u to be,defensive.That is all atheist knw best to do. I can never ever be there again. Pls ask him to tell u how d world came to be by his belief. Tell him to explain in details how everything evolved and see him peddling back. They believe they r hopeless and just a mistake or nature.

Ronpet777:


U hv made him put u exactly where he wants u to be,defensive.That is all atheist knw best to do. I can never ever be there again. Pls ask him to tell u how d world came to be by his belief. Tell him to explain in details how everything evolved and see him peddling back. They believe they r hopeless and just a mistake or nature.

Thanks dear. We must see these people from the eyes of God. With live and care, because they have been deceived and they do not know what they're doing. We must not be careless either.

Allow them to vomit everything they have inside, behave to know nothing, let them spew it all out. Engage them with alot of scriptures, then bring in your suggestions. Let them see their wisdom, how senseless it is. First, you have prepared the ground with enough material for the Holy Spirit to work on them with.

Let's snatch them from the fire by the wisdom of God. Don't ignore them and don't abuse them. Some of them are going to be fire brands in God's hands soon.

God bless you

Primesky:


Thanks dear. We must see these people from the eyes of God. With live and care, because they have been deceived and they do not know what they're doing. We must not be careless either.

Allow them to vomit everything they have inside, behave to know nothing, let them spew it all out. Engage them with alot of scriptures, then bring in your suggestions. Let them see their wisdom, how senseless it is. First, you have prepared the ground with enough material for the Holy Spirit to work on them with.

Let's snatch them from the fire by the wisdom of God. Don't ignore them and don't abuse them. Some of them are going to be fire brands in God's hands soon.

God bless you

Amen Bro! I doubt if ur subtle approach can do anything remotely to change these folks. It will take d Holy Spirit only to minister to them. Only few of them will ever engage u in a meaningful conversation without poking holes into ur belief and the Bible.
I knw them well. I he engaged a handful of them and found that their mission is just to get at Christians d best way they can.
May God give us direction to deal with pple like these. May He bring them to the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ by His mercies.
Shalom bro!

Primesky:


John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.The same was in the beginning with God. [b]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.[/b]

Before Jesus came down as a man, He was referred to as the word of God, which is the very God Himself. The passage above tells us that. He was not created, rather, He was the one doing the creation.

Now, I will ask you this question. Can you create a man's word or separate a man's word from him?. Is a man's word a different entity from the man?. Jesus is the word of God. But He became flesh so as to save mankind.

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Tell me, do you not know water exist in three different states, yet they're one and the same water. Ice, vapour and liquid water. Just as water, can separate into three different states, so is God. God is three in one and one in three, a tripartite being. You too, made in the image of God, is a tripartite being.You are a spirit dwelling in a body and have a soul. You don't have the power to separate into three. The moment your spirit leaves your body, your body dies. But God is altogether spirit and He is limitless and powerful. Jesus promised that at His return, He will give us a new glorified body which cannot die. Angels are only spirit bodies.

1 Corinthians 15:52-53 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

So, God the Father, Son (Word) and the Holy Spirit is one and the same God.

See here:
John 14:8-10 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Jesus Christ is Lord forever. Repent and be saved.

Your irrelevant explanation of John 1 vs 1 is dead on arrival, It has been proved that God can speak words without Jesus . So don't repeat what you have been programmed with like You can't think.

So far God can speak words WITHOUT Jesus, all your questions becomes irrelevant.


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Now the question remains: Jesus Is called Son of God even in HEAVEN. So this begs the following

Adam was called Son of God , how ? He was created by God thus becoming his son

Angels are called Son of God , why ? They are created by God thus becoming his son

Pls why is Jesus also called Son of God just as Adam and Angels ? Reply

Ronpet777:

And who told u anyone fears discussing it?. U cant make me discuss what I don't wish to .There r some sensitive topics that shld be left to discerning hrts not carnal, controversial and nitpickers like u.

All I see is Fear . so you can identify discerning hearts ?

Jesus said go and preach to all the nations . but you won't listen to that since your beliefs are contaminated .

Brunicekid:
Yes, Jesus is the Lord and he is indeed God of all.

Many of you do not even read your Bible, Jesus have a God Yes or no ?

Can you be equal with your God ?

Answer this and your error at bold will show

Peacefullove:


All I see is Fear . so you can identify discerning hearts ?

Jesus said go and preach to all the nations . but you won't listen to that since your beliefs are contaminated .

U hv heard more than enough already and u r still like this. Jesus told us to dust our shoes and move on where ever our gospel is rejected.

Ronpet777:


U hv heard more than enough already and u r still like this. Jesus told us to dust our shoes and move on where ever our gospel is rejected.

Didn't you read in your Bible that you should examine all things ? So examine something is to reject it ? I pity your shallow reasoning . no wonder


how can you be teaching lies and expect me to swallow it . what you are teaching that yourself doesn't understand

Peacefullove:


Didn't you read in your Bible that you should examine all things ? So examine something is to reject it ? I pity your shallow reasoning . no wonder


how can you be teaching lies and expect me to swallow it . what you are teaching that yourself doesn't understand

Silence is d best answer for pple like u. As conversing with u will be a huge waste of productive time.

I am personally not interested in pouring water into a bucket with a bottom.