sshyne:
Some people still use Malachi 3:8-10 to justify tithing? Let's read it from Malachi 2:1 (and now, o yeah priests, this commandment is for you). Malachi was referring to the priest not you and I. Tithing was under the law of Moses. In Deuteronomy 14:22-26 it talked about eating your tithe(23-Bring this tithe to the designated place of worship--the place the LORD your God chooses for his name to be honored--and eat it there in his presence. This applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn males of your flocks and herds. Doing this will teach you always to fear the LORD your God. 24-Now when the LORD your God blesses you with a good harvest, the place of worship he chooses for his name to be honored might be too far for you to bring the tithe. 25-If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the LORD your God has chosen. 26-When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want--cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other ALCOHOLIC DRINK. Then feast there in the presence of the LORD your God and celebrate with your household.)
I nodded the alcoholic drink so as to show you they drank alcohol in the bible meaning all those pastors lied to us.

Am sure most people have never come across that bible verse before, your pastors will never read it because it won't favor there teachings
Tithing according to the law was on crops, animals and wine and not everyone was allowed to tithe. Am just trying to tell you what tithing meant in the Old Testament.
TITHING IS OF THE LAW
In matthew 23:23 (What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law--justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.)

In this chapter Jesus was condemning the teachers of religious law and the religion then was Judaism (hope you know Christianity didn't start until after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ). Jesus confirm that tithing is of the law (you ignore the most important aspect of the law, meaning tithing is an aspect of the law).
Jesus came to fulfill all that was written in the Law and the Prophets. All of it was pointing to him, even where it is not explicitly prophetic. He accomplishes what the Law required.

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.” (Matthew 5:17–18)

All the promises of God in the Old Testament are fulfilled in Jesus Christ. That is, when you have Christ, sooner or later you will have both Christ himself and all else that God promised through Christ.

For all the promises of God find their Yes in him. That is why it is through him that we utter our Amen to God for his glory. (2 Corinthians 1:20)

The law was kept perfectly by Christ. And all its penalties against God’s sinful people were poured out on Christ. Therefore, the law is now manifestly not the path to righteousness; Christ is. The ultimate goal of the law is that we would look to Christ, not law-keeping, for our righteousness.

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4)

In Romans 3:26-28 we were made to understand that we are made right with God not by keeping the law but by faith (26-for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus. 27-Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on obeying the law. It is based on faith. 28-So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.)

Jesus never talked about that tithe, he never collected or paid tithe, his disciples never collected or paid tithe. And in John 14:26(But when the Father sends the Advocate as my representative--that is, the Holy Spirit--he will teach you everything and will remind you of everything I have told you.) he never told us to pay tithe so the Holy Spirit can't bring to our remembrance what Jesus Christ didn't teach us.

Any pastor saying the Holy Spirit ministered tithing to him is a liar from the pit of hell.

The only way you can give to God is to give to the poor, orphans, widows (the needy in general)
Matthew 25:31-46 (study it). Let me just stop here

I hope that I am able to convince you and not confuse you that tithing is of the law and not for Christians.

Have a lovely day

Primesky:
Tithing predates the law!.

It's easy to quote scriptures suit us, but that doesn't make it good and genuine. That a supposed man of God defends it, doesn't make it good either. The devil very accurately quoted the scriptures when he tempted Jesus Christ, but his intention was to deceive. Be careful people, not everything that appears real, appeals to the eye, sounds real is genuine and is popular is genuine.

Genesis 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

You give your tithe to the priest/pastor who brings to you the bread (word of God) and prays for you, who is also a representative of God. This is where tithing began. It predates the law.

M0ron:

Circumcision predates the law as well so what's your point?

M0ron:

Circumcision predates the law as well so what's your point?

salvation101:
This tithe Matter no dey tire una? There are weightier matters in Christendom. Let who is convinced pay if he chooses and who isn't should hold on to his money

Primesky:



Since both proponents and opponents base their argument on the scriptures, and since it was not categorically set aside in the new testament, will I be on the losing side if I do it not as law?. If I cross over into eternity, will God query me for not giving it, assuming He still demands it?.

kolawoleibukun1:
tell them the truth and stop hiding lies. tithing is a crime against God. only satanic people will encourage christians to pay tithe. if tithing is right why una no won come out and show us where Jesus ask u to pay tithe. or where the apostles paid tithe.
make una no day wash people head like say na una holy pass. you are lying in the name of god and is very bad. somebody go open him eyes day follow devil at old age. do not force people to pay tithe. and people have the right to talk about it from now until tomorrow. no be u carry dem come nairaland. the matter is not yet answered by ur pastors and so is fresh to talk about it.

guys you people should carry on talking about it and exposing those conmen and thier supporters who use the name of God to deceive and extort millions

plainbibletruth:


TITHING was categorically set aside in the New Testament.
If you give with a wrong motive God will not accept such an offering.

salvation101:
why don't u also come out to show us where Jesus said we shouldn't pay tithe ad he categorically mentioned practices from the law that were no more necessary such as not working on sabbath day?

plainbibletruth:


TITHING was categorically set aside in the New Testament.
If you give with a wrong motive God will not accept such an offering.

plainbibletruth:


TITHING was categorically set aside in the New Testament.
If you give with a wrong motive God will not accept such an offering.

Goodness4525:
Hebrews 7:1-19
And this Melchizedek king of Salem , who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the Kings,and blessed him,and Abraham gave tenth of the spoils of war.
verse5:Now the law requires the tribe of Levi who becomes priest to collect the tenth from the people,

verse11 .:Now if perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood there would have been no need for a different priesthood,one in the order of Melchizedek and not in the order of Aaron

Verse 12: for when the priesthood is changed,the law also must change,

verse 18: The former regulations is set aside because of its weaknesses and unprofitableness

Verse 19:For the law made nothing perfection

Primesky:


Very well, focus on the topic first.

While you can point out in the new testament on the continuation or otherwise of that by Apostle Paul, you cannot do the same for tithing.

Apostle Paul's position on tithing was that you don't have to be circumcised to be saved as the other apostles made it a matter of necessity otherwise salvation was incomplete. Yet, he Paul Never condemned it or set it aside. Paul's position on circumcision and the narrative of tithing today are totally different.

A believer can go to heaven without paying tithe, if he/she hasn't the means or opportunity to do so, just like the thief on the cross. However, if you have the means to do it, and you said no, it becomes a big snare to you. The bible says, he that knoweth to do good and refuses to do it, to him/her it becomes a sin. Then the question now is, does sin take one to hell?. Yes it does!. This is not because it's law or not. Today, circumcision is still being practiced, but that will not be a hindrance to say a matured Muslim from being born again. But you who have known about it from a young age, and refused to do it say, to your son, what is your excuse?.

Should we now start killing, because it's the law, and we're no longer in that era?. No!. You won't go to heaven because you didn't kill, no you won't. But you can go their for killing, but I thought it was the law and Jesus has done away with the law. We must be wise. There exist a thin line between deception and lie. There are rituals that where clearly written off, like animal sacrifices, eating this and that and some others. But not all were done awY with.

I pay my tithe not because it's law but because I know it's the right thing to do. For someone to come around to tell me to stop doing what I know I should do, is wicked to say the least. If someone doesn't see it as right, fine!, that's your choice. We should address the issue of fake men of God capitalizing on it to enrich themselves rather than throwing away the baby and the bath water.

Since both proponents and opponents base their argument on the scriptures, and since it was not categorically set aside in the new testament, will I be on the losing side if I do it not as law?. If I cross over into eternity, will God query me for not giving it, assuming He still demands it?. But if I by assumption refuse to give it, will any of my excuses save me at that point, seeing I had the means to do it, unlike the thief at the cross?.

Please, when making or taking decision on matters of faith we must be very careful. We should be wary of the deceptions of the devil. Do you know that if we all instantly stop giving tithes, many churches will shut down?. You may say yeah! In happiness, but is that what God wants or is that what the devil wants?. So should we do it because there are fake men of God?. The early church gave more than tithes, they sold and gave their all, so who will come up with tithes?. Please, let's be wise. If there's any confusion, fast, pray and ask God to personally tell you. Shalom.

prekumohtim:


Yeah circumcision predates the law but it was CLEARLY STATED by apostle Paul that it means nothing. Though almost every man that's born to this world still remove the foreskin because of cleanliness . I believe even you were circumcised despite that it was clear to your parents that we are not under law.They did it for health prpose. No scripture warned us against tithing. Malachi proves that it's of the law but Genesis shows it predates the law

M0ron:


Tithing was well set aside my brother.
With the dearth of Levitical priesthood, you have no priests to tithe to. In fact we are all a kingdom of priests

It certainly is no sin to tithe but nobody asked you to. One can say the same of circumcision.

The fact that you can on one hand dispense with Levites while clinging to their support system is lack of spiritual/theological honesty.

Can I pick of other examples that were not set a side?

Deuteronomy 22:9 (KJV)
Thou shalt not sow thy vineyard with divers seeds: lest the fruit of thy seed which thou hast sown, and the fruit of thy vineyard, be defiled.

When was this set aside?
Do you prescribe it to Farmers because it was never set aside?

Stop spreading fear. Paul teaches GIVING and not tithing.

I can't think of a better place to teach gentiles tithing than when he expounded on giving and supporting ministers in 1 Cor 9.

The fact that the church survived for years without tithing means churches can survive without.


The work of a minister is to mature his congregation such that they don't need threats of devourer to support him. Of course the immature congregation need such

Primesky:


Giving and tithing are two different things my dear. You said tithing was set aside, and I am asking you to please show me the place in the new testament where tithing was categorically set aside. You see, we know in part and understand in part, I want to be very convinced by the scriptures that it was set aside, just like animal sacrifices. Assumptions and head knowledge won't work here. I don't know it all. Please, can you point to that place?. Thank you.

God is a Father to all true believers, there's actually no room for this arguments, what has God told you?. Can you actually go to God and say, Lord please, I don't understand what your word says about this and that, have you done that first, or are you just postulating?. What is the Holy Spirit given to us for, is it not to lead us into all truth?. Mere quoting of the scriptures won't do, afterall, no body without the Holy Spirit can quote the bible better than Satan himself. Should I be wowed simply because somebody quote this and that?. Of cause not!

The bible says, they that be lead by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. So, let the Holy Spirit lead us.

philpwresh:
All Tithiers will be Condemned by the law

Primesky:


please, show me where. Thank you.

salvation101:
point to where it was categorically set aside

plainbibletruth:


There is no longer any COMPULSORY GIVING required of the believer in the new Testament. What we have is this:
“Each of you should give what you have DECIDED in your heart to give, not reluctantly or UNDER COMPULSION, for God loves a cheerful giver.”

Anything other than this is an attack on the grace of God who provided Jesus Christ to be [b]our ONLY source of reaching him and being acceptable to him as opposed to depending on what man can do as a means of our being acceptable to him. [/b]

plainbibletruth:




Acts 15: 28 – “It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us NOT TO BURDEN YOU WITH ANYTHING BEYOND THE FOLLOWING requirements: ….”

This CATEGORICAL declaration came from the decision of the Church Council in Jerusalem. This was in response to some Jewish believers whom were insisting that the non-Jewish believers must follow the Law of Moses.

In Acts 15: 5 the insistence was – “Then some believers who belong to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and REQUIRED TO KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES”

Note that the acceptable means of relating with God at this time was “The Law of Moses”. None of them had the right to decide to go back to anything before the Law. The decision was CLEAR – Christians are not bound by the Law! This is what the Holy Spirit affirmed here. NOTHING else in Scripture and NOWHERE else in Scripture has reversed this.

THEREFORE, tithing, a part of the Law of Moses no longer stands as a compulsory observance for the believer.

Acts 13:38-39 emphasises the fact that the Law could not justify. Only in Christ Jesus is anyone declared right before God. So, the believer’s acceptance by God IS NOT on the basis of what he does – including tithing – but on being “IN CHRIST”. Romans 5:1 says the same – our ‘peace’ with God is not as a result of what we DO. It is as a result of our being in Jesus who alone is ACCEPTABLE to God.

The early disciples and Apostles understood this. That is why you will NEVER FIND a portion of the New Testament epistles that commands tithing. It was no longer required. It was done away with.

There is no longer any COMPULSORY GIVING required of the believer in the new Testament. What we have is this:
“Each of you should give what you have DECIDED in your heart to give, not reluctantly or UNDER COMPULSION, for God loves a cheerful giver.”

Anything other than this is an attack on the grace of God who provided Jesus Christ to be our ONLY source of reaching him and being acceptable to him as opposed to depending on what man can do as a means of our being acceptable to him.

Primesky:



Let's ask God to reveal the matter to us personally and not to make general blanket assumption. It could be deadly!.

Primesky:



Let's ask God to reveal the matter to us personally and not to make general blanket assumption. It could be deadly!.

OkCornel:


Quick question,

Is there any where in the Bible where it was recorded that gentiles gave tithes?