ubunja:
animals practice incest. you gona follow to?

swiz123:

I can't thank you enough for the bolded.

I always knew all the backing homosexualism gets on nl is simply because of the unruly influence of the western culture.

Trust me, if every country outlawed homosexuality from the onset, this nonsense wouldn't have erupted.

I think gays roam nairaland seeking for validation for their uncanny acts, but thank God that you reminded them that homosexuality is wrong - both morally and biblically.

swiz123:

I can't thank you enough for the bolded.

I always knew all the backing homosexualism gets on nl is simply because of the unruly influence of the western culture.

Trust me, if every country outlawed homosexuality from the onset, this nonsense wouldn't have erupted.

I think gays roam nairaland seeking for validation for their uncanny acts, but thank God that you reminded them that homosexuality is wrong - both morally and biblically.

nobilis:


Don't be shifting the main goal of the argument.

Whether animals practice incest or not is not the issue here.

The issue here is that the presence of homosexual behavior in animals is proof that homosexuality is not unnatural.

Agree and accept that point before moving onto something else.




Moreover, now that you mention incest, let's analyze that.

If you are basing your argument on the opinion that homosexuality is unnatural and is just a learnt behavior in humans, then tell me this.

Why is Incest, which is very natural and very rampant in the plant and animal kingdom, abhorred by humans?
Why is incest kicked against by humans even when it is very natural?

ubunja:
did you even read my first text on animals and homosexuality or you just vomiting senselessly?

mhisbliss:
What differentiated us from lower animals is the fact that we can discern whats right and wrong, we're simply higher animals with heightened sense of reasoning, animals copulate with thier siblings and parents, but the reason why normal humans wouldn't do that is same reason why its abnormal to have homosexual tendencies

If you can't fvck your parents like they do, don't be homosexual as well

mhisbliss:
It depends on what you call natural, check the paragraph where i referenced the design of the male and female sex organ, we have that instinct to reproduce, even when no one tell us what reproduction is, we know it by default,

We see the opposite sex, we get attracted, we catch feelings, this is what I'd call natural

nobilis:


I am vomiting senselessly.
Thank you.

But the post I quoted before making my comment was the very second post you made on this thread. The first post was about equal rights etc.

So please, where did your first text on animals and homosexuality disappear to and why is it not on the first page of this thread where the post I quoted clearly is?

Senseless person calling someone else senseless because he himself does not understand chronology.
SMH.

ubunja:
animals practice incest. you gona follow too?

mhisbliss:
Stupid people always think of themselves as wise, its normal , my post is clearly an opinion not an assertion because i didn't insist you agree with me, like i said, communicating with you is an insult to my intelligence, don't quote me again i wont reply you

nobilis:
This is a very scientific case.

For those that say it is a societal problem that needs to be curtailed, please endeavor to tell us what the solution to the problem is.

Bear in mind, that being gay is not all about who a person has sex with. It is all about who a person is romantically attracted to and it is all about who a person yearns to form a romantic connection and bond with.
This is evident in the fact that there are many gay men who have sex with women and even married to women. And there are many lesbians who have sex with men and are married to men too.

And there are straight men who also have sex with men based on whatever arrangement they might have, maybe for pecuniary benefits. And that doesn't mean they are gay either.

So sexual orientation is not about sex.

Bearing that in mind, mention all the things you think are the solutions to the problem.
Tell us how you can stop someone from being romantically attracted to another person.
And also mention where you have actually seen your proffered solutions bearing fruits.
And also mention people who you know one on one, who claimed they used to be gay and after being put through these solutions, stopped having feelings for the same sex. (also bear in mind that a gay man can choose to stop having sex with men, that doesn't mean he has stopped having romantic feelings for men).

This is a challenge to you all.

It's not by making noise about natural or unnatural.

Let's go there.

I'm waiting.

nobilis:
This is a very scientific case.

For those that say it is a societal problem that needs to be curtailed, please endeavor to tell us what the solution to the problem is.

Bear in mind, that being gay is not all about who a person has sex with. It is all about who a person is romantically attracted to and it is all about who a person yearns to form a romantic connection and bond with.
This is evident in the fact that there are many gay men who have sex with women and even married to women. And there are many lesbians who have sex with men and are married to men too.

And there are straight men who also have sex with men based on whatever arrangement they might have, maybe for pecuniary benefits. And that doesn't mean they are gay either.

So sexual orientation is not about sex.

Bearing that in mind, mention all the things you think are the solutions to the problem.
Tell us how you can stop someone from being romantically attracted to another person.
And also mention where you have actually seen your proffered solutions bearing fruits.
And also mention people who you know one on one, who claimed they used to be gay and after being put through these solutions, stopped having feelings for the same sex. (also bear in mind that a gay man can choose to stop having sex with men, that doesn't mean he has stopped having romantic feelings for men).

This is a challenge to you all.

It's not by making noise about natural or unnatural.

Let's go there.

I'm waiting.

mhisbliss:
Ya few girls have asked me out too, I'm not homophobic thanks to peter, but i just see gay people and wonder what went wrong with them

ubunja:

here is my original text on animals

where did i say homosexuality was natural or un-natural?
i neither supported nor condemned. i was curious and just followed her line of reason to a logical conclusion and herself she failed to answer back sensibly. like you doing now.

nobilis:


Yea.
You're the sensible one.

Have you heard of implied statements before?
It is not every time that a person spells things out.
Sometimes when you say something, there is an implied understanding behind what you say.

For example,
Someone asks a conditional question thus: "if homosexuality is unnatural, then what about animals that practise it?" and you reply that "animals practise incest too, should you join them too?" it means you are agreeing with the condition spelt out in his question but you're now presenting a course of action alternative to that he set out in his question.

This is simple English grammar.
Very simple English grammar.

But obviously, you are mindless about what your statement implied.

When you think and feel you are wise, be careful about who you insult.

Go and learn English, bro

ubunja:
enjoy the fruits of Equal Rights. if women can have rights then also gays can, and tomorrow its animal fvckers.
sweet democracy.

mhisbliss:
Exactly my point, if lesbianism is natural, then that suicidal instict a suicide bomber has is also natural, they think we're white people

ubunja:
and to prove how senseless you continue to be, here is another quote of mine from earlier in the thread. notice how i dont even bother to speak on whether or not homosexuality is natural or un-natural. check it out:

nobilis:


You keep celebrating your foolishness.
You said if women can have rights, then gays too and then animal fvckers.

And you think the sardonicism behind that statement is not obvious?

It's a pity.

mhisbliss:
What are you saying

UDUJ:


I am a Scientist, so I bring my arguments from Science and not religion.Science says there are no such thing as absolutely “hetero” or “homo” sexual people.

All of us are only juggling between our dominant traits. Are you socially identify as straight? That means you are more than 50% heterosexual and less than 50% homosexual.

Were we always born this way?
Yes and No.

I know it is not popular, but people only pick inconvenient truths that suits their agenda. Only political people will provide absolute “yes” or “no” answer to give stronger argument to their cause.

Our hormones and the development of our brains determine how we will end up throughout our life. This leads to some early homophobes to experiment with hormonal therapy to “cure homosexuality”, which only damages their “patient” further. Some people are simply born with certain condition that leads them to have homosexual preference, which may change over time. Some are the otherwise, started as straight guy, and then suddenly “come out” as gay during later years.

While doing my Masters I had a Dutch classmate who was convinced that he was straight, he turned out later to be gay. He had dated so many girls, but couldn’t settle on one, until he found his man. I asked him if he was too shy or facing any social pressure to hide his sexuality? He just said simply said no, and he said that he was just confused. I asked him, if he knew that there are many gay people already, would it make him feel better? He just said no, he simply changed after puberty, that’s all. So yeah, they were not always born to be straight either.

Now, for political purpose, if you say “yes”, think again. Some questions also asked for example like why there are not so many people born to be gay, is it just because of deviation in our genetics that affects small number of people or what? The answer will pretty much hurt anyone’s self-esteem. So, please go back to real science. Some people are indeed born that way and stayed consistent throughout their whole life, some people simply don’t, and they change.

The gene that makes some people to be born with a lack of melanin that causes their skin to appear pinkish (people love to call it “white”) is also recessive too, and less than 25% of the world population are born with it. Yet, some of them are immensely proud of it and push the idea that they are actually superior.

I think this shouldn’t be about whether you are born with it or not.
The real question is, why bother? It is everyone’s own personal life, not mine or yours.

We should punish sexual offenders, but not one’s sexual orientation. I honestly can’t think why people are still bothered by this. There are people out there doing things like trafficking humans, making snuff films, enslaving other humans, committing animal cruelty, destroying pristine environment, and so on, which should bother us.

Cases like sodomy in prison between male inmates, despite being not gay shows that our sexuality orientation is actually very fluid and compromising.

Identity politics has grouped us into these three sexual orientations (Gay, Straight or Bi) and made us villify each other. It has no basis whatsoever on real scientific findings.

nobilis:


Are you okay?

You are comparing homosexuality to suicide bombing because the same way a person becomes gay is the same way a person becomes a suicide bomber?

Seriously, is something wrong with your head?

mhisbliss:
What differentiated us from lower animals is the fact that we can discern whats right and wrong, we're simply higher animals with heightened sense of reasoning, animals copulate with thier siblings and parents, but the reason why normal humans wouldn't do that is same reason why its abnormal to have homosexual tendencies

If you can't fvck your parents like they do, don't be homosexual as well

Klinee:
Can you explain what will warrant a person to take a bomb even at the point of his own death, blast it?

mhisbliss:
But he made scientifically valid points, lets see you refute that, otherwise just shut up and get lost

mhisbliss:
Do i have to copy my post and highlight the scientific part of it? Why are you all fixated on the Bible Part, i made my point from a scientific pov, then biblical then societal, why is everyone blind today

Ivorianaija:


All I am saying is that you shouldn't just form your opinion without doing research on it first and having solid evidence. The bible is not a primary source due to the constant changes that have been made. How do you know that the translation you are reading is even accurate? The bible was originally in Hebrew, then translated into Greek, from Greek it was translated into Latin, from Latin to Spanish, and from Spanish to English. How are you sure there were no mistakes in between all of those translations.

ProudBritain:


Not interested in the bible. Interested in living my best and wonderful life. A life you will never even get to taste for a minute. I hope the electricity is on where you are so you can charge your cheap smartphone and read my replies. Idiot.

Gay British and Proud!

nobilis:


If that person has little or no education and is deeply religious
and you teach him to hate people who are of a different than his own
and you teach him that his religion is the Supreme and ultimate religion
and you tell that person that if he straps a bomb to himself and goes into the midst of people of who are infidels and he dies during the blast and kills as many infidels as possible, that his place in heaven will be secured with several benefits,
then he will strap a bomb to himself and blast himself to smithereens.

That's how suicide bombers are made.

Klinee:

Are you a suicide bomber? how do you know that a suicide bomber doesn't have the natural feeling of bombing?
Can you suicide bomber if given opportunity?
In the history of world, have registered many suicide bomber who are educated, who are not religious inclined,
who nobody taught how to hate any devilish group of people rather nature made him to do so.
Me myself can assure that if given opportunity to enter gay zone I will 100%suicide bomb and die with them, that is also natural feeling I have inside me.

Intentional I don't want to die but my suicide bombing feeling is pushing me to death

But most them(suicide bombers) will not experiment it because the avenue to explore their feeling is not on ground.
There many suicide bombers around you but the environment do not give them the opportunity to explore their feeling, so if he happen to get the opportunity you will see him utilize it immediately.

nobilis:


Okay.

I think you are trying to trivialize this argument just to score a cheap point.
Suicide bombing is an act of terrorism.
Terrorism is not a feeling.
And a terrorist is a criminal.

And now you're telling me that for someone to be indoctrinated into wanting to kill himself and kill others, it is a natural feeling
Okay,for the sake of argument, let me say I'm open to the opinion that it is a natural feeling.

Now when you said homosexuality is unnatural, we showed you instances of homosexual behavior in other species in nature apart from man.

Now I'm saying suicide bombing is unnatural.
Show us instances of suicide bombing behavior in other natural species apart from man to prove that suicide bombing is a natural feeling.

jessca048:
if you say it is unnatural then what do you say about animals that practice homosexual practices too

Klinee:


criminal
noun
1. a person who has committed a crime.
adjective
1. relating to crime.
2. (of an action or situation) deplorable and
shocking.
Crime
In ordinary language, a crime is an unlawful act
punishable by a state or other authority.... Wikipedia
So gay is crime Nigeria Constitution condemn it, then answer me, why are you promoting gayism when you know that the act is criminal act?

There are many animals that undergo suicidal death, you would have know that there is nothing like bomb within the animal realms if you really have a reasonable well thinking sense.
Besides how can you compare man with a low intelligent animals.
Man are born with high complexity of intelligence, they were were able to give a comparative accurate reasonability which is not found in animal but you gay because your level of intellect is beyond that of animal that is why you comment rubbish.