Before you consider the following premises of
argument explained below, please bear in mind
that On the authority of Holy Qur'an;
1. Muslims believe in Jesus as a mighty prophet
of God (Qur'an19:30).
2. Muslims believe in Jesus miraculous birth
(Qur'an21:91)
3. Muslims believe in the all the miracles
performed by Jesus during his earthly ministry
(Qur'an5:110)
4. Muslims believe in Jesus ascension to heaven
(Qur'an4:158)
5. Muslims believe in Jesus'2nd coming toward
the end of the world (Qur'an43:57-61)
You may write anything you like to rubbish this
thread. BUT PLEASE JUST MAKE SURE YOU
PINPOINT WHICH OF THE PREMISES LISTED
BELOW IS WRONG AND KINDLY STATE THE
REASON.
Premise 1: As part of our concept about God; God
is naturally known to ALWAYS SPEAK THE TRUTH
just like God is naturally known to ALWAYS
BLESS HIS BELOVED PROPHETS
Premise 2: Therefore, for any reason whatsoever,
it is IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO SPEAK A LIE just
like it is IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO CURSE HIS INNOCENT AND BELOVED PROPHET
Premise 3: Consequently, if there is a religious
faith which proclaims that GOD MUST SPEAK A
LIE at a particular period of time in order to
execute a program designed by God Himself, then
that religious faith must be false.
Premise 4: Similarly, if there is religious faith
which proclaims that GOD MUST CURSE HIS BELOVED PROPHET at a particular
period of time in order to execute a program
designed by God Himself, then that religious faith
must also be false.
Premise 5: But Christianity is a religious faith
which proclaim that AN INNOCENT AND BELOVED PROPHET OF GOD (i:e Jesus Christ) MUST BE
PUT UNDER THE CURSE OF THE SAME GOD ( see
Deuteronomy 21:23, Galatians 3:13) on the cross
at Calvary before God can execute His program
designed to forgive and save the sinners.
Premise 6: Therefore, Christianity must be false.
If Jesus has to die by stoning to death, then I
may not have problem with that. But it is Bible
itself that says Jesus was CURSED by God due to
his death on the cross(Galatians 3:13). My point
is that God of mercy would never allow His
beloved prophet to fall under His curse for any
reason whatsoever: AN INNOCENT AND BELOVED PROPHET OF GOD UNDER THE CURSE OF THE SAME GOD? IMPOSSIBLE! This is exactly the reason why Jesus
must escape death on the cross and Quran
4:157-158 confirm this fact. In otherword,
God may allow His beloved prophet to
suffer (i:e TO BE PHYSICALLY CONDEMNED) for
one reason or the other. But God would never
"curse" ( i:e SPIRITUALLY CONDEMN) His beloved prophet for any reason
whatsover. Therefore, there is need for God to
send another prophet to remove this negative and
bad picture of God from the minds of the general
humanity. This is one of the many reasons why
Qur’an was revealed by God to Prophet
Muhammad (pbuh). In the Holy Qur’an, God
removed this negative and bad impression from
the minds of the people by declaring that, in a
miraculous way, Jesus escaped death on the
cross (Qur’an 4:157-158). In this way, the "curse
of God" associated with any one that is crucified
and died on a cross according to the Jewish law
(Galatians 3:13, Deuteronomy 21:23) was
removed from the head of our beloved and
innocent prophet called Jesus Christ (peace be
upon him). This is exactly in line with the prayer
of Jesus to God in the garden of Gethsemane
when he asked for this “cup of condemnation” to
be taken away from him in THREE consecutive
times as stated clearly in Matthew 26:36-44.ln
fact, Bible confirmed that this very prayer of
Jesus was answered by God :During the day of
Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and
petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one
who could save him from death, and he was
heard because of his reverent submission
(Hebrew 5:7NIV).If this prayer of Jesus was only
heard but not answered by God as some
Christians use to claim, then the phrase “because
of his reverent submission” in the verse quoted
above would no longer have any reasonable
meaning. In fact, the King James Version of the
Bible ends this verse with “and was heard in that
he feared (Hebrew 5:7KJV).Of course, what Jesus
feared was death on the cross. Hence, if Jesus
was heard in that he feared, this implies that he
escaped death on the cross. Therefore, an illogical
and contradictory concept of "a merciful God who
could not see any other way of forgiving those
who sincerely believe in Him except to curse His
innocent and beloved prophet on the cross at
Calvary" is completely far away from the truth.
The fact that the Holy Qur’an is the only religious
book on earth that remove this negative and bad
impression about God from the minds of the
general humanity is a very great indicator that the
book could never have come from no other person
except God Himself.

Abdulgaffar22:
Before you consider the following premises of
argument explained below, please bear in mind
that On the authority of Holy Qur'an;
1. Muslims believe in Jesus as a mighty prophet
of God (Qur'an19:30).
2. Muslims believe in Jesus miraculous birth
(Qur'an21:91)
3. Muslims believe in the all the miracles
performed by Jesus during his earthly ministry
(Qur'an5:110)
4. Muslims believe in Jesus ascension to heaven
(Qur'an4:158)
5. Muslims believe in Jesus'2nd coming toward
the end of the world (Qur'an43:57-61)
You may write anything you like to rubbish this
thread. BUT PLEASE JUST MAKE SURE YOU
PINPOINT WHICH OF THE PREMISES LISTED
BELOW IS WRONG AND KINDLY STATE THE
REASON.
Premise 1: As part of our concept about God; God
is naturally known to ALWAYS SPEAK THE TRUTH
just like God is naturally known to ALWAYS
BLESS HIS BELOVED PROPHETS
Premise 2: Therefore, for any reason whatsoever,
it is IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO SPEAK A LIE just
like it is IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO CURSE HIS INNOCENT AND BELOVED PROPHET
Premise 3: Consequently, if there is a religious
faith which proclaims that GOD MUST SPEAK A
LIE at a particular period of time in order to
execute a program designed by God Himself, then
that religious faith must be false.
Premise 4: Similarly, if there is religious faith
which proclaims that GOD MUST CURSE HIS BELOVED PROPHET at a particular
period of time in order to execute a program
designed by God Himself, then that religious faith
must also be false.
Premise 5: But Christianity is a religious faith
which proclaim that AN INNOCENT AND BELOVED PROPHET OF GOD (i:e Jesus Christ) MUST BE
PUT UNDER THE CURSE OF THE SAME GOD ( see
Deuteronomy 21:23, Galatians 3:13) on the cross
at Calvary before God can execute His program
designed to forgive and save the sinners.
Premise 6: Therefore, Christianity must be false.
If Jesus has to die by stoning to death, then I
may not have problem with that. But it is Bible
itself that says Jesus was CURSED by God due to
his death on the cross(Galatians 3:13). My point
is that God of mercy would never allow His
beloved prophet to fall under His curse for any
reason whatsoever: AN INNOCENT AND BELOVED PROPHET OF GOD UNDER THE CURSE OF THE SAME GOD? IMPOSSIBLE! This is exactly the reason why Jesus
must escape death on the cross and Quran
4:157-158 confirm this fact. In otherword,
God may allow His beloved prophet to
suffer (i:e TO BE PHYSICALLY CONDEMNED) for
one reason or the other. But God would never
"curse" ( i:e SPIRITUALLY CONDEMN) His beloved prophet for any reason
whatsover. Therefore, there is need for God to
send another prophet to remove this negative and
bad picture of God from the minds of the general
humanity. This is one of the many reasons why
Qur’an was revealed by God to Prophet
Muhammad (pbuh). In the Holy Qur’an, God
removed this negative and bad impression from
the minds of the people by declaring that, in a
miraculous way, Jesus escaped death on the
cross (Qur’an 4:157-158). In this way, the "curse
of God" associated with any one that is crucified
and died on a cross according to the Jewish law
(Galatians 3:13, Deuteronomy 21:23) was
removed from the head of our beloved and
innocent prophet called Jesus Christ (peace be
upon him). This is exactly in line with the prayer
of Jesus to God in the garden of Gethsemane
when he asked for this “cup of condemnation” to
be taken away from him in THREE consecutive
times as stated clearly in Matthew 26:36-44.ln
fact, Bible confirmed that this very prayer of
Jesus was answered by God :During the day of
Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and
petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one
who could save him from death, and he was
heard because of his reverent submission
(Hebrew 5:7NIV).If this prayer of Jesus was only
heard but not answered by God as some
Christians use to claim, then the phrase “because
of his reverent submission” in the verse quoted
above would no longer have any reasonable
meaning. In fact, the King James Version of the
Bible ends this verse with “and was heard in that
he feared (Hebrew 5:7KJV).Of course, what Jesus
feared was death on the cross. Hence, if Jesus
was heard in that he feared, this implies that he
escaped death on the cross. Therefore, an illogical
and contradictory concept of "a merciful God who
could not see any other way of forgiving those
who sincerely believe in Him except to curse His
innocent and beloved prophet on the cross at
Calvary" is completely far away from the truth.
The fact that the Holy Qur’an is the only religious
book on earth that remove this negative and bad
impression about God from the minds of the
general humanity is a very great indicator that the
book could never have come from no other person
except God Himself.

Frankly speaking , you don't know what it means to say something or a person is "holy ".

How can you call the Quran and its prophet "holy" ?
The original name for Quran was al - Quran which means "the recitation".

Why should you believe Muhammad and the Quran after reading it and digested it ?
The Quran that says Jesus was not crucified was nothing but a book written by Muhammad for his conveniences and justifications for all his evil deeds.

Think of these verses of the Quran :
Allah SWT says:

وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا
"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 37)

* Via the Beautiful Qur'an https:///QLwc8B

Allah SWT says:

يٰٓأَيُّهَا النَّبِىُّ إِنَّآ أَحْلَلْنَا لَكَ أَزْوٰجَكَ الّٰتِىٓ ءَاتَيْتَ أُجُورَهُنَّ وَمَا مَلَكَتْ يَمِينُكَ مِمَّآ أَفَآءَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْكَ وَبَنَاتِ عَمِّكَ وَبَنَاتِ عَمّٰتِكَ وَبَنَاتِ خَالِكَ وَبَنَاتِ خٰلٰتِكَ الّٰتِى هَاجَرْنَ مَعَكَ وَامْرَأَةً مُّؤْمِنَةً إِنْ وَهَبَتْ نَفْسَهَا لِلنَّبِىِّ إِنْ أَرَادَ النَّبِىُّ أَنْ يَسْتَنْكِحَهَا خَالِصَةً لَّكَ مِنْ دُونِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ۗ قَدْ عَلِمْنَا مَا فَرَضْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِهِمْ وَمَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمٰنُهُمْ لِكَيْلَا يَكُونَ عَلَيْكَ حَرَجٌ ۗ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ غَفُورًا رَّحِيمًا
"O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 50)

Allah SWT says:

يٰٓأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا لَا تَدْخُلُوا بُيُوتَ النَّبِىِّ إِلَّآ أَنْ يُؤْذَنَ لَكُمْ إِلٰى طَعَامٍ غَيْرَ نٰظِرِينَ إِنٰىهُ وَلٰكِنْ إِذَا دُعِيتُمْ فَادْخُلُوا فَإِذَا طَعِمْتُمْ فَانْتَشِرُوا وَلَا مُسْتَئْنِسِينَ لِحَدِيثٍ ۚ إِنَّ ذٰلِكُمْ كَانَ يُؤْذِى النَّبِىَّ فَيَسْتَحْىِۦ مِنْكُمْ ۖ وَاللَّهُ لَا يَسْتَحْىِۦ مِنَ الْحَقِّ ۚ وَإِذَا سَأَلْتُمُوهُنَّ مَتٰعًا فَسْئَلُوهُنَّ مِنْ وَرَآءِ حِجَابٍ ۚ ذٰلِكُمْ أَطْهَرُ لِقُلُوبِكُمْ وَقُلُوبِهِنَّ ۚ وَمَا كَانَ لَكُمْ أَنْ تُؤْذُوا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَلَآ أَنْ تَنْكِحُوٓا أَزْوٰجَهُ ۥ مِنۢ بَعْدِهِۦٓ أَبَدًا ۚ إِنَّ ذٰلِكُمْ كَانَ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ عَظِيمًا
"O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 53)

Are these nonsense written in the Quran what you call holy .
Is this the book which says Jesus was not crucified and you believed it?

You need prayers.

Pls read :

Matthew 7:3-5 KJV
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
[4] Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? [5] Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

so to believe that an innocent and beloved prophet of God is under the curse of the same God is not nonsense? Dont worry when you die, you will know whether Quran is nonsense or not

Abdulgaffar22:
This is exactly in line with the prayer
of Jesus to God in the garden of Gethsemane
when he asked for this “cup of condemnation” to
be taken away from him in THREE consecutive
times as stated clearly in Matthew 26:36-44.ln
fact, Bible confirmed that this very prayer of
Jesus was answered by God :During the day of
Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and
petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one
who could save him from death, and he was
heard because of his reverent submission
(Hebrew 5:7NIV).If this prayer of Jesus was only
heard but not answered by God as some
Christians use to claim, then the phrase “because
of his reverent submission” in the verse quoted
above would no longer have any reasonable
meaning. In fact, the King James Version of the
Bible ends this verse with “and was heard in that
he feared (Hebrew 5:7KJV).Of course, what Jesus
feared was death on the cross. Hence, if Jesus
was heard in that he feared, this implies that he
escaped death.

The prayer of Jesus was heard by God.that does not mean that he escaped death.Jesus feared death at that Pont in time as you rightly said.God then answered his prayer by taking away the fear of death.if you read the book of

Luke 22:43 the bible said that God sent an angel to strengthen him in answer to his prayer.The fear of death was taken away and he gladly died on the cross .



LUKE 22:42-43


42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.

Muslim know nothing about Jesus Christ .The believe that the original bible was edited.That is what every average Muslim are made to believe.The believe that Jesus was just an ordinary prophet and not the son of God. The believe that Jesus escape from the cross miraculously and Judas that betrayed him was crucified in his place instead.

where did they get all this information?.they got it from one heretic call barnabas who claim to be among the 12 disciples of Jesus. The believe that the gospel written by this heretic call barnabas was the only gospel that was not edited.(gospel of barnabas)

There were FOUR witnesses attesting to the concept of Jesus' sacrificial death. Matthew Mark Luke and John,they are all Jesus' contemporaries and from the same nation. Muhammad lived 5 centuries after their testimonies,not from their nation and had nothing in common with them. Moreover Muhammad came from a tribe God said has nothing to do with HIS divine guidance,directives and protection(Genesis 16:1,12,17:18-21) Therefore it's partial,unreasonable and stupid to adhere credulously to the witness of a single man who never live nor related nor come from that race "Quran" against the witness borne by four men who happens to be EYEWITNESSES of the matter! If someone is to tell a story of Oyo empire which will you prefer as been TRUE the one from FOUR reputable indigenes of Oyo Farmer,Fisherman,Hunter and Shepherd or from ONE single 21th century Gabonese? God will NEVER expect HONESTHEARTED people to agree with something that can't be logically established!

Muslims' brain work in a very special way. Regarding this issue, whether Jesus died or not, I will use Chief Obafemi Awolowo as an example.

As a Yorubman, it is a well known fact that chief Obafemi Awolowo was born in Ikene, Ogun Nigeria in 1909 and died in 1987. I was alive to witness his death and burial. He was given a state burial and lied in state for almost 1 week before final internment. His grave is somewhere in Ogun state, Nigeria.

As a Ghanaian, who didn't exist at the time of Awolowo, who never met him, who wasn't of his tribe, I can tell you categorically that Chief Obafemi Awolowo did not die. The Yorubas were deceived to believe that Chief Obafemi Awolowo died. As a Ghanaian, though I am not a Yorubaman, I was not around when Awolowo lived and died, but I can tell you categorically that he did not die.

As a rational being, whose testimony will I accept? The Yorubaman's claim, who witnessed the live of Chief Obafemi Awolowo, or the Ghanaian, who was a foreigner and was born almost 600 years after the death of Awolowo?

As a Muslim, I must believe the Ghanaian because angel jibril told us so in our holy book, and it must be true. The Yorubas corrupted their own story and so the Ghana man's axcount of Awolowo is the most authentic.

Abdulgaffar22:


Jesus escaped death on the
cross (Qur’an 4:157-158).

The quran must be WRONG then in saying that ALL the prophets died.

proudkafir:
Muslims' brain work in a very special way. Regarding this issue, whether Jesus died or not, I will use Chief Obafemi Awolowo as an example.

As a Yorubman, it is a well known fact that chief Obafemi Awolowo was born in Ikene, Ogun Nigeria in 1909 and died in 1987. I was alive to witness his death and burial. He was given a state burial and lied in state for almost 1 week before final internment. His grave is somewhere in Ogun state, Nigeria.

As a Ghanaian, who didn't exist at the time of Awolowo, who never met him, who wasn't of his tribe, I can tell you categorically that Chief Obafemi Awolowo did not die. The Yorubas were deceived to believe that Chief Obafemi Awolowo died. As a Ghanaian, though I am not a Yorubaman, I was not around when Awolowo lived and died, but I can tell you categorically that he did not die.

As a rational being, whose testimony will I accept? The Yorubaman's claim, who witnessed the live of Chief Obafemi Awolowo, or the Ghanaian, who was a foreigner and was born almost 600 years after the death of Awolowo?

As a Muslim, I must believe the Ghanaian because angel jibril told us so in our holy book, and it must be true. The Yorubas corrupted their own story and so the Ghana man's axcount of Awolowo is the most authentic.

Who else heard Angel Gabriel's voice apart from Muhammad? Why not another Angel who's name heard nothing to do with the Bible? Why should it be just ONE witness "Muhammad"? And why is it that everything the "Gabriel" told Muhammad was almost the same as what Catholics practice today? Please apart from Trinity which places Jesus above Muhammad, everything that Muhammad taught his followers are just the Catholic dogmas (1) Praying with rosaries (2) Holy women's head covered (3) Resighting prayers in a specific language (4) Holy pilgrimage (5) Fasting period (6) Holy men Small white caps during prayers (6) Kneeling and bowing down to something (7) Holy wars jihads or crusades ( Only men lead during worship (9) Mary is a virgin and remains a virgin, whereas she had four sons and daughters after Jesus (10) Rhythmic expressions during worship. All these Muhammad brought from the Catholic Church to ignorant people of Mecca. Please he could deceive those 6th century Arabians of his time but not 21th century intellectuals who will question his authenticity. For example what's the name of the God who sent him? Because every nation has a God who's name is known in ancient times! Muhammad dare not mention the name of the God of Israel that's why he simply said it's Allah which simply means God!

Muhammad failed at verse 8 when he started receiving revelation recitations from one angel Jibril.

Galatians 1:6-12

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, [size=14pt]but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.[/size]

@OP, We Christians can't be accursed like you muslims by accepting what Muhammed brought called(quran)

Jesus told his Disciples that the Spirit of truth(Holy Spirit) which was to come will take out of what is his(Jesus) and teach his Disciples and followers. That was exactly what Apostle Paul demonstrated in those verses above

Shalom Aleikhem!

Abdulgaffar22:


..........
Premise 1: As part of our concept about God; God
is naturally known to ALWAYS SPEAK THE TRUTH
just like God is naturally known to ALWAYS
BLESS HIS BELOVED PROPHETS
Premise 2: Therefore, for any reason whatsoever,
it is IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO SPEAK A LIE just
like it is IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO CURSE HIS INNOCENT AND
...........
Jesus escaped death on the
cross (Qur’an 4:157-158).
...........
Therefore, an illogical and contradictory concept of "a merciful God who could not see any other way of forgiving those who sincerely believe in Him except to curse His innocent and beloved prophet on the cross at
Calvary" is completely far away from the truth.
The fact that the Holy Qur’an is the only religious
book on earth that remove this negative and bad
impression about God from the minds of the
general humanity is a very great indicator that the
book could never have come from no other person
except God Himself.

1.A huge problem with 4:157 is that Allah is deceiving not only his enemies but also the followers of the Messiah, whom He had sent Himself.

Since the Quran presents deception of the honest seekers of truth as part of the character of Allah, then how can we trust such a god or book - the Quran - that is purportedly from him. If God deceived those who desired to know and follow him, how can I have any assurance he did not do it again and the Quran is not part of this deception?

I think this is a big problem with this passage. But maybe not for you.
So, can you resolve this problem of the deception of true seekers of the truth by Allah? Why Allah deceived everybody and it took 600 years for the truth to be "revealed" to Mohamed?

Which would have been more glorious and spectacular: Allah lifting up Jesus to heaven in the sight of all the people instead of letting everyone think that Jesus was indeed crucified and nobody saw and realized he was actually not crucified?

Why could Allah not save Jesus without making up this change of persons in the cross which achieved nothing?

And Allah is said to be the All-Powerful, All-Wise?

Why and how did a fake crucifixion bring any glory to Allah? Especially since, according to Islam, nobody knew about it until 600 years later?

Abdulgaffar22:
so to believe that an innocent and beloved prophet of God is under the curse of the same God is not nonsense? Dont worry when you die, you will know whether Quran is nonsense or not

Ah, Muslim read what you typed again and look in the mirror.

plainbibletruth:


1.A huge problem with 4:157 is that Allah is deceiving not only his enemies but also the followers of the Messiah, whom He had sent Himself.

Since the Quran presents deception of the honest seekers of truth as part of the character of Allah, then how can we trust such a god or book - the Quran - that is purportedly from him. If God deceived those who desired to know and follow him, how can I have any assurance he did not do it again and the Quran is not part of this deception?

I think this is a big problem with this passage. But maybe not for you.
So, can you resolve this problem of the deception of true seekers of the truth by Allah? Why Allah deceived everybody and it took 600 years for the truth to be "revealed" to Mohamed?

Which would have been more glorious and spectacular: Allah lifting up Jesus to heaven in the sight of all the people instead of letting everyone think that Jesus was indeed crucified and nobody saw and realized he was actually not crucified?

Why could Allah not save Jesus without making up this change of persons in the cross which achieved nothing?

And Allah is said to be the All-Powerful, All-Wise?

Why and how did a fake crucifixion bring any glory to Allah? Especially since, according to Islam, nobody knew about it until 600 years later?

Abeg ask am, Allah say him steal Jesus from the cross wen the Jews been want kill am, ask this boy who the person wey the Jews crucify be and weytin him do.

Infact, weytin Jesus do wey make the Jews want kill am before Allah thief am commot?

According to the gospel of Barnabas, there were disciples who knew about the deception involved in Jesus crucifixion; Jesus replied, embracing his mother: 'Believe me,
mother, for verily I say to thee that I have not
been dead at all; for God hath reserved me till
near the end of the world.' And having said this
he prayed the four angels that they would
manifest themselves, and give testimony how the
matter had passed.
Thereupon the angels manifested themselves like
four shining suns, insomuch that through fear
every one again fell down as dead.
Then Jesus gave four linen cloths to the angels
that they might cover themselves, in order that
they might be seen and heard to speak by his
mother and her companions. And having lifted up
each one, he comforted them, saying: 'These are
the ministers of God: Gabriel, who announceth
God's secrets; Michael, who fighteth against
God's enemies; Rafael, who receiveth the souls of
them that die; and Uriel, who will call every one
to the judgment of God at the last day.'
Then the four angels narrated to the Virgin how
God had sent for Jesus, and had transformed
Judas, that he might suffer the punishment to
which he had sold another.
Then said he who writeth: 'O Master, is it lawful
for me to question thee now, as it was lawful for
me when thou dwelledst with us?'
Jesus answered: 'Ask what thou pleasest,
Barnabas, and I will answer thee.'
Then said he who writeth: 'O Master, seeing that
God is merciful, wherefore hath he so tormented
us, making us to believe that thou wert dead?
And thy mother hath so wept for thee that she
hath been nigh to death; and thou, who art an
holy one of God, on thee hath God suffered to fall
the calumny that thou wert slain amongst robbers
on the Mount Calvary?'
Jesus answered: 'Believe me, Barnabas, that
every sin, however small it be, God punisheth with
great punishment, seeing that God is offended at
sin. Wherefore, since my mother and my faithful
disciples that were with me loved me a little with
earthly love, the righteous God hath willed to
punish this love with the present grief, in order
that it may not be punished in the flames of Hell.
And though I have been innocent in the world,
since men have called me "God," and "Son of
God," God, in order that I be not mocked of the
demons on the day of judgment, hath willed that I
be mocked of men in this world by the death of
Judas, making all men to believe that I died upon
the cross. And this mocking shall continue until
the advent of Mohammed, the messenger of God,
who, when he shall come, shall reveal this
deception to those who believe in God's law.( Gospel of Barnabas chapter 220)

Abdulgaffar22:
According to the gospel of Barnabas, there were disciples who knew about the deception involved in Jesus crucifixion; Jesus replied, embracing his mother: 'Believe me,
mother, for verily I say to thee that I have not
been dead at all; for God hath reserved me till
near the end of the world.' And having said this
he prayed the four angels that they would
manifest themselves, and give testimony how the
matter had passed.
Thereupon the angels manifested themselves like
four shining suns, insomuch that through fear
every one again fell down as dead.
Then Jesus gave four linen cloths to the angels
that they might cover themselves, in order that
they might be seen and heard to speak by his
mother and her companions. And having lifted up
each one, he comforted them, saying: 'These are
the ministers of God: Gabriel, who announceth
God's secrets; Michael, who fighteth against
God's enemies; Rafael, who receiveth the souls of
them that die; and Uriel, who will call every one
to the judgment of God at the last day.'
Then the four angels narrated to the Virgin how
God had sent for Jesus, and had transformed
Judas, that he might suffer the punishment to
which he had sold another.
Then said he who writeth: 'O Master, is it lawful
for me to question thee now, as it was lawful for
me when thou dwelledst with us?'
Jesus answered: 'Ask what thou pleasest,
Barnabas, and I will answer thee.'
Then said he who writeth: 'O Master, seeing that
God is merciful, wherefore hath he so tormented
us, making us to believe that thou wert dead?
And thy mother hath so wept for thee that she
hath been nigh to death; and thou, who art an
holy one of God, on thee hath God suffered to fall
the calumny that thou wert slain amongst robbers
on the Mount Calvary?'
Jesus answered: 'Believe me, Barnabas, that
every sin, however small it be, God punisheth with
great punishment, seeing that God is offended at
sin. Wherefore, since my mother and my faithful
disciples that were with me loved me a little with
earthly love, the righteous God hath willed to
punish this love with the present grief, in order
that it may not be punished in the flames of Hell.
And though I have been innocent in the world,
since men have called me "God," and "Son of
God," God, in order that I be not mocked of the
demons on the day of judgment, hath willed that I
be mocked of men in this world by the death of
Judas, making all men to believe that I died upon
the cross. And this mocking shall continue until
the advent of Mohammed, the messenger of God,
who, when he shall come, shall reveal this
deception to those who believe in God's law.( Gospel of Barnabas chapter 220)

THAT IS THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO THE QURAN \ DEVIL.

Abdulgaffar22:

According to the gospel of Barnabas, there were disciples who knew about the deception involved in Jesus
..................

Abdulgaffar, the Gospel of Barnabas is purported to have been written some 1,500 years after the time of Jesus.

The four Gospels in the Bible were written by EYEWITNESSES within a relatively short period after Jesus's death and resurrection.

If you would prefer to DISREGARD 1st century eyewitnesses accounts of an event and PREFER an account written in 16th century to try and disprove an established historical event from the 1st century then that really shows that you may not be seeking the truth but seeking what will give you "peace" of mind for the path you have chosen.

If you will prefer the account of ONE "WITNESS" to that of FOUR EYEWITNESSES that are all in agreement then that shows how twisted your reasoning is.

The errors of the Barnabas document in terms of geography and history makes it clear to a rational mind that such work is to be taken with a pinch of salt.

The fact that "Barnabas" was not one of the original 12 disciples of Jesus as the book claims should be another red flag for any objective reader to note.

Jesus's death and resurrection showed his victory over death and the devil and that he SUCCEEDED in paying for mankind's sin. When you as a Moslem deny this you're refusing the ONLY SOLUTION to your eternal salvation.

Mark 15:22-25 has the time of the crucifixion
commence at "the third hour" (which means 9am)
But John 19:13-14 has Jesus still infront of Pilate
at "the sixth hour" - noon, having not yet even set
out on the journey to Golgotha . Again, Matthew says that the soldiers “put a scarlet robe” on Jesus (27:27-28), Mark says that “they clothed Him with purple robe ” (15:16-17). My oxford dictionary says scarlet means brilliant red. These are just two contradictions out of many contradictory reports on Jesus crucifixion alone in the four canonical gospels. Have you now seen that your so-called EYE WITNESSES are fake and unreliable.

Even logically, this very doctrine of " Jesus died for our sins" cannot be true because telling the believers that they will no longer be held responsible for all their sins since one innocent man had already been held responsible on their behalf seems to imply that they are now free to commit sins as long as they believe in this atonement sacrifice. Whereas telling the believers that, except they repent sincerely by turning from their sinful ways, they themselves will be held responsible for their sins would make them think twice before committing any sin. Of course the latter is more logical and reasonable than the former. In fact, the resurrection of Jesus make this sin atonement doctrine to be even more illogical because if the punishment which Jesus received in place of the sinners is a continuous one and not temporary, then this can make the sinful believers to feel sorry for Jesus and become more remorseful. This may discourage them from committing more sin. But since according to the Christians, Jesus had been resurrected and the punishment received by Jesus in place of the sinners had already ended, then there is no any cause for alarm if the sinful believers in this doctrine seized this opportunity to commit more sins. In fact, one would expect the sinful believers to utilize and maximize this opportunity by committing more sins since the punishment for those sins had already been accomplished by Jesus on the cross in the time past. Have you now seen that atonement of sins through Jesus crucifixion is the most illogical concept you can ever think of!

Crucifixion is not the purpose of Jesus' coming to this world;
But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will
have mercy, and NOT SACRIFICE for I am not come
to call the righteous, but SINNERS TO REPENTANCE.( Matthew 9:13) IF JESUS HAS COME TO DIE FOR THE SINNERS, HE WOULD HAVE MENTIONED IT IN THIS VERY VERSE BECAUSE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF HIS COMING WITH RESPECT TO THE SINNERS. HIS MAJOR PREACHING IS "REPENTANCE"

Abdulgaffar22:
Crucifixion is not the purpose of Jesus' coming to this world;
But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will
have mercy, and NOT SACRIFICE for I am not come
to call the righteous, but SINNERS TO REPENTANCE.( Matthew 9:13) IF JESUS HAS COME TO DIE FOR THE SINNERS, HE WOULD HAVE MENTIONED IT IN THIS VERY VERSE BECAUSE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF HIS COMING WITH RESPECT TO THE SINNERS. HIS MAJOR PREACHING IS "REPENTANCE"

It is like you have not read these below scriptures :

Mark 14:18-30 KJV
And as they sat and did eat, Jesus said, Verily I say unto you, One of you which eateth with me shall betray me.
[19] And they began to be sorrowful, and to say unto him one by one, Is it I? and another said, Is it I?
[20] And he answered and said unto them, It is one of the twelve, that dippeth with me in the dish.
[21] The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.
[22] And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it , and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.
[23] And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it.
[24] And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
[25] Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. [26] And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.
[27] And Jesus saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.
[28] But after that I am risen, I will go before you into Galilee. [29] But Peter said unto him, Although all shall be offended, yet will not I.
[30] And Jesus saith unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this day, even in this night, before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice.


The death of Jesus is a mercy unto you and unto me. Our sacrifice is what God does not want.


John 3:13-19 KJV
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. [14] And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
[15] That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
[17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
[19] And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

DON'T WASTE THIS GRACE AND MERCY , ACCEPT JESUS TODAY AND BE SAVED FROM CONDEMNATION.

Christians know even less about Jesus. Jesus is a fraud you better wake up!

Kenneth4u205:
Muslim know nothing about Jesus Christ .The believe that the original bible was edited.That is what every average Muslim are made to believe.The believe that Jesus was just an ordinary prophet and not the son of God. The believe that Jesus escape from the cross miraculously and Judas that betrayed him was crucified in his place instead.

where did they get all this information?.they got it from one heretic call barnabas who claim to be among the 12 disciples of Jesus. The believe that the gospel written by this heretic call barnabas was the only gospel that was not edited.(gospel of barnabas)

GodSon34:
Christians know even less about Jesus. Jesus is a fraud you better wake up!

You will know who the real fraud is when you grow old and leave this world , if Jesus tarries in his coming.