You have been stealing their money because they owe you.

That is the summary of all what you wrote here.

Okay.

iHart:
he can hurt the company terribly bad if you expose everything on social media!!!

Justnora:
Well I stopped at you no longer remitting money back that is an offense even if you are not paid you have to leave the job than stealing. Now your actions is going to affect innocent lives this is Nigeria where you know once you have money you can win any court case even murder.

So my dear kindly refund the little you have apologize and quit tho its painful but it is going to save you a lot of stress

Stop advertising your foolishness everywhere.

They're just bluffing, they can't do nada. Some idiots tried to arrest me for exactly a matter like this cos I stood as guarantor. By the time I told them my plan for them, they never called my line again.

Stupid idiots everywhere.

Justnora:
Well I stopped at you no longer remitting money back that is an offense even if you are not paid you have to leave the job than stealing. Now your actions is going to affect innocent lives this is Nigeria where you know once you have money you can win any court case even murder.

So my dear kindly refund the little you have apologize and quit tho its painful but it is going to save you a lot of stress

shut up

Ayo25:
Please lawyers in the house I seek your advice and help over my tussle with my firm.
They have concluded plans at my firm to arrest my guarantors. The same firm that is owing me backlog of salaries would go after my guarantors because at some point when delay in payment of salaries became unbearable for me, I decided to stop remitting whatever I made from my production for them until I am paid by them.
By the companys standard it is wrong, but there was no way I could manage the situation and as a matter of fact you need money to make money for them which if your production was not up to scratch you will be queried. So because I could not secure another job I remained in the job. At the initial stage I would go out of way to make money for them and remit everything but at the end of the month, bang there would be a deafening silence. No salary. The situation became so bad that at some point I was owed five months.
So I decided enough is enough. So I began to withold the money I made from my productions for them until they pay me too. I decided on this course of action especially because I heared that what they did to people in time past is that after owing staffs for months, they will now pay lets say four out of nine months and brazenly tell you to forget the remaining five or go to court. I do not want to feel used by anybody or firm so I decided that at every point in time I must be with some of their money. So I wont be on the receiving end if they put up any funny behaviour.
So some weeks ago the firm eventually discovered what I have been up to. I was asked to submit all their equipments which I did.
So they demanded that I pay up all what I am owing them. When I did my calculation, they are owing me a little bit more than I am owing them. I asked to be paid my entitlements too. They insist I should pay them first. Someone in their ranks exposed their insecerity that I have been sacked and will not be paid anything if I obliged them and Pay up their money.
They started cajoling me to pay. I offered that they should deduct their their money from my salaries with them.
They rejected flatly and said they will be going to arrest my guarantors.
Lawyers in the house please advise me on how to go about this. I dont want them to go near my guarantors at all.

Not all Lawyers can handle this case. Contact a radical Lawyer. I had a similar issue when i left my company.

Justnora:
Well I stopped at you no longer remitting money back that is an offense even if you are not paid you have to leave the job than stealing. Now your actions is going to affect innocent lives this is Nigeria where you know once you have money you can win any court case even murder.

So my dear kindly refund the little you have apologize and quit tho its painful but it is going to save you a lot of stress

very wrong advice. People like you are the reason why our society thrives on oppression. you would rather chicken out than fight for your right. he would fight and he would win. I have been there before.

lawman88:
Well, as a lawyer, you made a serious mistake. There is a fierce legal implications of what you did and you may be jailed despite they are owing you salaries. What you did is called fraud and there is no excuse for fraud.

The best thing you would have done was to contact a lawyer to write a letter to your firm giving them a time frame to pay up your salaries. If they refused, them your lawyer will take legal action.

What you did, you may loose both your salaries and the company may even frame you up that you diverted millions of naira to your personal use which may end you in jail.

My advice: Remit all the money with you, then tell them to pay up your salaries. If they refused, get a lawyer to write to them and if they still refused, go to court while still working for them. Don't resign, if they sack you while the case is in court, it will be to your advantage.

Are you willingly to render your services free to the OP, pending when they pay him if they choose to take him to court then he will subsequently pay you after you have won the case for him ?

davibid:
Op your caption na die


Meanwhile,


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You be Yeye boi ooo

Ayo25:
Please lawyers in the house I seek your advice and help over my tussle with my firm.
They have concluded plans at my firm to arrest my guarantors. The same firm that is owing me backlog of salaries would go after my guarantors because at some point when delay in payment of salaries became unbearable for me, I decided to stop remitting whatever I made from my production for them until I am paid by them.
By the companys standard it is wrong, but there was no way I could manage the situation and as a matter of fact you need money to make money for them which if your production was not up to scratch you will be queried. So because I could not secure another job I remained in the job. At the initial stage I would go out of way to make money for them and remit everything but at the end of the month, bang there would be a deafening silence. No salary. The situation became so bad that at some point I was owed five months.
So I decided enough is enough. So I began to withold the money I made from my productions for them until they pay me too. I decided on this course of action especially because I heared that what they did to people in time past is that after owing staffs for months, they will now pay lets say four out of nine months and brazenly tell you to forget the remaining five or go to court. I do not want to feel used by anybody or firm so I decided that at every point in time I must be with some of their money. So I wont be on the receiving end if they put up any funny behaviour.
So some weeks ago the firm eventually discovered what I have been up to. I was asked to submit all their equipments which I did.
So they demanded that I pay up all what I am owing them. When I did my calculation, they are owing me a little bit more than I am owing them. I asked to be paid my entitlements too. They insist I should pay them first. Someone in their ranks exposed their insecerity that I have been sacked and will not be paid anything if I obliged them and Pay up their money.
They started cajoling me to pay. I offered that they should deduct their their money from my salaries with them.
They rejected flatly and said they will be going to arrest my guarantors.
Lawyers in the house please advise me on how to go about this. I dont want them to go near my guarantors at all.

If I were your lawyer, I'd advice you to initiate the moves. Approach them for a settlement. Calculate how much you owe them and how much they owe you. Sit down and negotiate, lawyer to lawyer. They cannot arrest your guarantors except you are on the run, which I believe you aren't. If they insist that you pay them first, let them sign an agreement that they will pay you on or before a specific date. Your lawyer should create a stalemate. if they sue you, you file a countersuit before the same court. Them go tire trust me

Go to Labour Union, EFCC , petition d IG by the time they received letter from them, they will leave you alone

Ayo25:
Please lawyers in the house I seek your advice and help over my tussle with my firm.
They have concluded plans at my firm to arrest my guarantors. The same firm that is owing me backlog of salaries would go after my guarantors because at some point when delay in payment of salaries became unbearable for me, I decided to stop remitting whatever I made from my production for them until I am paid by them.
By the companys standard it is wrong, but there was no way I could manage the situation and as a matter of fact you need money to make money for them which if your production was not up to scratch you will be queried. So because I could not secure another job I remained in the job. At the initial stage I would go out of way to make money for them and remit everything but at the end of the month, bang there would be a deafening silence. No salary. The situation became so bad that at some point I was owed five months.
So I decided enough is enough. So I began to withold the money I made from my productions for them until they pay me too. I decided on this course of action especially because I heared that what they did to people in time past is that after owing staffs for months, they will now pay lets say four out of nine months and brazenly tell you to forget the remaining five or go to court. I do not want to feel used by anybody or firm so I decided that at every point in time I must be with some of their money. So I wont be on the receiving end if they put up any funny behaviour.
So some weeks ago the firm eventually discovered what I have been up to. I was asked to submit all their equipments which I did.
So they demanded that I pay up all what I am owing them. When I did my calculation, they are owing me a little bit more than I am owing them. I asked to be paid my entitlements too. They insist I should pay them first. Someone in their ranks exposed their insecerity that I have been sacked and will not be paid anything if I obliged them and Pay up their money.
They started cajoling me to pay. I offered that they should deduct their their money from my salaries with them.
They rejected flatly and said they will be going to arrest my guarantors.
Lawyers in the house please advise me on how to go about this. I dont want them to go near my guarantors at all.

I am shocked at some comments above encouraging the OP to hold on to the money he stole from his employer. It's so pathetic. I hope they will follow him to the Prison when the time comes.
The law does not expect you to result to self help as he has done, he is also putting his guarantors into troubles (sure they will never guarantee him - a thief again), aside the two transactions are different. Just imagine a civil servant who decided to take away government's money because he has not been paid. This guy will spend time in jail if he didn't settle with his employer.
On the outstanding salaries, the labour laws are the guide here, he is not permitted to do anything outside the the law.

Justnora:
Well I stopped at you no longer remitting money back that is an offense even if you are not paid you have to leave the job than stealing. Now your actions is going to affect innocent lives this is Nigeria where you know once you have money you can win any court case even murder.

So my dear kindly refund the little you have apologize and quit tho its painful but it is going to save you a lot of stress

You're talking garbage!!!

Ayo25:
Please lawyers in the house I seek your advice and help over my tussle with my firm.
They have concluded plans at my firm to arrest my guarantors. The same firm that is owing me backlog of salaries would go after my guarantors because at some point when delay in payment of salaries became unbearable for me, I decided to stop remitting whatever I made from my production for them until I am paid by them.
By the companys standard it is wrong, but there was no way I could manage the situation and as a matter of fact you need money to make money for them which if your production was not up to scratch you will be queried. So because I could not secure another job I remained in the job. At the initial stage I would go out of way to make money for them and remit everything but at the end of the month, bang there would be a deafening silence. No salary. The situation became so bad that at some point I was owed five months.
So I decided enough is enough. So I began to withold the money I made from my productions for them until they pay me too. I decided on this course of action especially because I heared that what they did to people in time past is that after owing staffs for months, they will now pay lets say four out of nine months and brazenly tell you to forget the remaining five or go to court. I do not want to feel used by anybody or firm so I decided that at every point in time I must be with some of their money. So I wont be on the receiving end if they put up any funny behaviour.
So some weeks ago the firm eventually discovered what I have been up to. I was asked to submit all their equipments which I did.
So they demanded that I pay up all what I am owing them. When I did my calculation, they are owing me a little bit more than I am owing them. I asked to be paid my entitlements too. They insist I should pay them first. Someone in their ranks exposed their insecerity that I have been sacked and will not be paid anything if I obliged them and Pay up their money.
They started cajoling me to pay. I offered that they should deduct their their money from my salaries with them.
They rejected flatly and said they will be going to arrest my guarantors.
Lawyers in the house please advise me on how to go about this. I dont want them to go near my guarantors at all.

in truth, I dont think its ethical for you to withhold the firm's liquid assets in lieu of your payment. You should remit their money and after a while institute legal actions against them.

Justnora:
Well I stopped at you no longer remitting money back that is an offense even if you are not paid you have to leave the job than stealing. Now your actions is going to affect innocent lives this is Nigeria where you know once you have money you can win any court case even murder.

So my dear kindly refund the little you have apologize and quit tho its painful but it is going to save you a lot of stress

I second this, though I am not a lawyer, but I think the moment you are not paid for two consecutive months, write a letter and wait their response, if they refuse to do anything after 2 weeks, write another letter and in there tell them if they don't pay you before the end of month, whatever you get that month you will be leaving with it.

Now if I were you, the moment I am not paid for a month and the next month is already over two weeks, I start going for interviews, no time to wait, by the next 3 weeks, if you are good at what you do, you should have at least gotten something to Start with, even if it's not as good as the previous job!

Justnora:
Well I stopped at you no longer remitting money back that is an offense even if you are not paid you have to leave the job than stealing. Now your actions is going to affect innocent lives this is Nigeria where you know once you have money you can win any court case even murder.

So my dear kindly refund the little you have apologize and quit tho its painful but it is going to save you a lot of stress

You see!! A lazy Nigerian youth has spoken!!!

Not good for you, not good for your guarantors.

It is not wise to sign a guarantor form for somebody you do not know very well.

Justnora:
Well I stopped at you no longer remitting money back that is an offense even if you are not paid you have to leave the job than stealing. Now your actions is going to affect innocent lives this is Nigeria where you know once you have money you can win any court case even murder.

So my dear kindly refund the little you have apologize and quit tho its painful but it is going to save you a lot of stress

did u read d post at all, were he said d money was part of d production process?

he did wrong not to remit but there is a way out and he admitted that already.

we should stop supporting rubbish

Justnora:
Well I stopped at you no longer remitting money back that is an offense even if you are not paid you have to leave the job than stealing. Now your actions is going to affect innocent lives this is Nigeria where you know once you have money you can win any court case even murder.

So my dear kindly refund the little you have apologize and quit tho its painful but it is going to save you a lot of stress

Company withholding ur salary isn't stealing from u rite?

If not for the system we are in, companies like dis are dealt with appropriately. Now this guy took matters into his hand and labeled stealing true bt the logical solution is to make the necessary deductions and let him go. Going for his guarantors is just blackmail tactics. They are criminals.

Ps: this is different from federal or state service where u are 100% sure of being paid at sm point and given gratuity when u leave. This is a well calculated job scam where they make u work bt have no intention to pay u for ur work it as a bridge of ur contract also. It is against the law. They are cooprate scammers!!!

dicefrost:


If I were your lawyer, I'd advice you to initiate the moves. Approach them for a settlement. Calculate how much you owe them and how much they owe you. Sit down and negotiate, lawyer to lawyer. They cannot arrest your guarantors except you are on the run, which I believe you aren't. If they insist that you pay them first, let them sign an agreement that they will pay you on or before a specific date. Your lawyer should create a stalemate. if they sue you, you file a countersuit before the same court. Them go tire trust me

nice post

It's illegal to withhold their money and they are also in breach of your employment contract by withholding your salary. Brief a lawyer to write them acknowledging the the fact that you withheld their money cos you've not been paid, and that you're willing to return it and settle amicably.
The letter serves two purposes,..one, to make a formal request/complaint for your remuneration, and two, it'll serve as evidence of request and intention to settle amicably should the matter go to court.
That's my legal advice.

effty:
Kids everywhere.

Don't mind her. Instead of her to read and gain knowledge, she is dispensing puerile advice.

There is one thing that can help the op.

If he has proof that the money he withheld is as a result of the company asking him to submit all company equipment in his position without paying him his entitlements. This means that the money with him was not due to be submitted long ago, if it was, that would be stealing.

In other words, it is a better reason to withhold company money for your entitlements if you are convinced you were being fired rather than for the delay in payment of entitlements while still working.

Op should change his case saying, "they asked me to submit all company properties in my possession but i withheld this amount that was just due to be paid for my entitlements". I believe a court can force them to settle.

Now this is the best advice. it happened to me In 2008. Make a full written honest account as per the debt you owed them. from the final balance deduct your salaries and entitlements. write the balance, sign and submit it to the company and keep a copy. Let them know the document is copied by writing CC. copy your guarantors and submit copies to them.
they will think twice before taking any step against you.

See as this guy heading wan make me feel like say my head no dey carry sk again.

Sterope:
A crime that is not written down in any Act of the Legislative arm of government cannot be a crime.
My knowledge so far is that withholding salary or failure to pay salary is not a crime, until you can show otherwise. The company has committed no crime. I will be glad if you do, my knowlwdge is fairly limited.

Unfortunately, his situation is unfair and morally unjust but it is what it is. You will not be there for him when they handcuff him. You will not offer to stand for him in jail while he is awaiting his arraignment and bail hearing. He does not have the financial capability of his company. This is Nigeria. His company can hurt him more than he can hurt them and there won't be a single consequence.

You still don't get it. It will never get to that extent of being cuffed or jailed. He never held anything while his salary was intact. This is a clear consequence of the company's actions. It is clearly stated on his employment letter what date and how much his salary would be paid. They breached that contract first(unless you disagree that an employment letter is a binding contract between the employer & employee), which led to his actions. There are so many defences he could put up. Psychological excuses come first. OP could have a dying relative that needs financial care.
The list goes on and on. I am sure you have never witnessed a court proceeding by the way you respond to this issue.

bixton:



Are you willingly to render your services free to the OP, pending when they pay him if they choose to take him to court then he will subsequently pay you after you have won the case for him ?

Nooooo. I'm in Kano, so there is no way I can assist him. This is a criminal case, try to settle it out of court. Go and meet your manager and apologize and remit all the money.

Celcius:
You've paid yourself already na.
Withholding company fund and still going to work?
Wouldn't it have been safer if you claimed burglary or craft something to defend how the fund got missing and feign the incapacity to pay, so the fund be deducted from your salary then?

OP this is your legal advice here

I'm learning a lot

lawman88:


Nooooo. I'm in Kano, so there is no way I can assist him. This is a criminal case, try to settle it out of court. Go and meet your manager and apologize and remit all the money.

Only 1 thing smells all over you. And it is just one word.

QUACK

Ayo25, get the contact of the other people laid off and get a lawyer to raise a class action suit. Luckily for you a pattern has been established that they dupe their employees.

Doing this before them will have them calling you for a sit down and there you guys make all your demands failure of which they will pay through their noses for damages they caused you all.

However next time, try not to touch monies you are not being paid. You are only lucky they have their own skeletons.

Take note, it is the first to act that could probably win in thus case with your guarantors being safe because 'the matter is in court' and don't go being foolish enough to let the company know your game plan while trying to show ego. Act fast.

Wishing you well - Teemy

P. S be careful the words you say from now on around ANY company staff as you could be the one recorded instead. Cases like this are usually lost by wrong words spoken at the wrong time to the wrong person.

owomida1:


Only 1 thing smells all over you. And it is just one word.

QUACK

Okay. Thanks. God bless you

Now this is the best advice. it happened to me In 2008. Make a full written honest account as per the debt you owed them. from the final balance deduct your salaries and entitlements. write the balance, sign and submit it to the company and keep a copy. Let them know the document is copied by writing CC. copy your guarantors and submit copies to them. start looking for job.
they will think twice before taking any step against you.