Abagworo:

The eastern Igbo is far more diverse in terms of number of subgroups but have since moved on and adopted a standardised version of Igbo.Some dialects have even gone extinct and embraced a more centralised Igbo.

Seriously? Which ones?

ChinenyeN:

Seriously? Which ones?

The Igbo you hear people speak in many areas around Imo and Anambra are not actually the peoples dialect but a centralised form of Igbo with little surviving part of their actual dialect.The actual dialects are strange and little is remembered about them.The reason is because they are more travelled and prefer a language they can communicate with every other Igbo.

Abagworo:

The Igbo you hear people speak in many areas around Imo and Anambra are not actually the peoples dialect but a centralised form of Igbo with little surviving part of their actual dialect.The actual dialects are strange and little is remembered about them.The reason is because they are more travelled and prefer a language they can communicate with every other Igbo.

Well said.

Abagworo:

The Igbo you hear people speak in many areas around Imo and Anambra are not actually the peoples dialect but a centralised form of Igbo with little surviving part of their actual dialect.The actual dialects are strange and little is remembered about them.The reason is because they are more travelled and prefer a language they can communicate with every other Igbo.

Hm. Interesting. Okay, thank you.

To the Igbo in Delta State who made this year's Iri Ji festival of Igbo Youths U.K a memorable one, Thanks a million times.
To Ubulu Ukwu Progressive Union--Thanks for those wonderful Igbo musical instruments.
To Ika Town Union--Thanks a lot to the president for your immense support. Chief Nweke, Onye nwe anyi gozie gi.
To Igbuzo Development Union-- Thanks to the Adinlofu's and others.
Hope to see you all in 2011 edition.

But wait, Abagworo, could you possibly name some of the groups who have lost their tongues?

Action from Iri Ji 2010, London.

ChinenyeN:

But wait, Abagworo, could you possibly name some of the groups who have lost their tongues?

An example is the Orsu dialect.The pure form has died long ago but some older people speak a blend which differs greatly from standard Igbo.I will give you some excerpts.


Orsu

You are lying -I n'eghe egheleghe

How many years -Awho nele

Its true- O wu nne

Ignore him- Kwuru ya odu

Come here- bere ibe

Standard Igbo

You are lying- I n'atu ashi

How many years- Afo Ole

Its true- O bu eziokwu

Ignore him- Gbachi ya nkiti.

Come here- Bia ebea

The tone is also very different.

I see. Kind of makes me wonder how much Ngwa has been eroded. Well, are there any tongues that have completely gone extinct (as in, there are no more surviving speakers of said tongues)? If there aren't, then in your opinion, Abagworo, based off your experience, which tongues would you say are the most eroded?

ChinenyeN:

I see. Kind of makes me wonder how much Ngwa has been eroded. Well, are there any tongues that have completely gone extinct (as in, there are no more surviving speakers of said tongues)? If there aren't, then in your opinion, Abagworo, based off your experience, which tongues would you say are the most eroded?

From my experience Aba tongue may be the most eroded in igboland because everybody is there. However, the good thing about we igbos is we tend to have meetings and gatherings of clans in the diaspora so that preserves our clannish tongues better. We also tend to associate with our clans more that outside clan as well.

i have often said, that most people on this internet group are not delta people ,but pretenders who have left their on cultural areas with their myriad problems to talk about issues they know little about.ukwani and ndokwa is not ika in delta.there are only two local govt.areas in delta that are ika ,and the other ika people are in edo state. agbor is headquarter for ika south ,while owa is the headquarters for ika north east. i am from owa ,and my ancestors where kings of owa , ia ma not from umunede , and to give you a little history in ika history ,umunede was formerly called and known as UKPEHORO kingdom,does that not sound bini to you ? agbor was called ogungunagbon or agbon -which means earth in bini language and before that time agbor was called igidi and before then agbor was called ominijie,while abavo was avbavbo a bini prince.
for those who do not know chibuzor is not an ika name . it is an igbo name, our people were subjected to lots of igbo influence during the colonial era ,due to the fact that the early educated people that came with the europeans were from igbo cultural areas, so they influenced the ikas a lot .and due to the fact that our neighbouring towns (idogbo),like asaba, ogwashi, ubuluku and others have interracted with us for long , so gradually most ikas began changing certain things like evolution in the language and some cultural practices ,but thank god this is being halted . so most cases the modern ika people tend to name their children with names that does not reflect ika language and culture , presently i am writing a book called 500 ika names. where i spelt out rules about naming ika children and names that constitute ika names and those that does not constitute ika names.
examples .
1. ikas do not belief in chi as guardian spirit as the igbos do , but we believe in ehi as our guardian spirit. so chinedu is not an ika name , but you can have ikas bearing it .but the name in ika should be ehiedu ,while chioma in igbo is ehioma in ika.- my personal god is good.
2. ehiabor - GOds blessing.
3. ehiobu - god of the priest.
4, ehiwuogun - GOd is my medicine or charm.
5. awunli - means hapiness in igbo language but this is not an ika name , in ika it is called oghogho - happiness.
6.ebele -means mercy in igbo language , but in proper ika language it is called omiken .
the good book said my people perish because of lack of knowledge , so we are educating most ikas about who they are with the different ika language and culture committes and the prime ika socio-cultural organisation called ogwa and onu ika .so that they wont be adopting a forign culture and be tagging it ika culture.
having said this , it makes me laugh when some people on this group will insult ika people and expect me not to insult their igbo tribe.people should learn to show respect to others so that others can show respect to them , but trying to use number to scare me will not work.
to answer the question dein was the title of the first king of agbor ,when this present dynasty started ,it was later changed to obi and the present king changed it back to dein.before this the rulers of agbor were called ogele and after that ogiso ruled agbor for one thousand years and later we had the dein/obi dynasty.

ikas use different or multiples words for king like ogiso,obi,eze,oba, all these words means king, an example is one of uncles name is obawunje ,he is 92 years old now , the meaning of the name is the king owns the dance.there are titles like dein wuyi in agbor kingdom.
for those who say ikas have not produced president of nigeria , what is their business and how many president has a dominant group like igbo produced for nigeria , it shows how trivial some people can be , nigeria has over 300 ethnic groups and so how many of these groups will produce presidents in a space of 300 years of nigerias existence and we are just 50 years old as a nation , how many presidents have igbiras produced ? binis ? ishan? uhrobhos? ijaws?
i am ika and i do not have any appology to give to any one .every one should be free to say who they are and if 99 percent of ikas have said they are ika ,so why do i have to worry myself if one percent of ikas say they are igbo.

agbotaen:

i  have  often  said, that  most  people on this  internet group are not delta  people ,but  pretenders who have  left their on cultural areas with  their myriad problems to  talk  about  issues they know  little about.ukwani and ndokwa is not  ika in delta.there are only two  local govt.areas in delta that are ika ,and the other ika people are in edo  state. agbor is headquarter for  ika south  ,while  owa is the  headquarters for  ika north east. i  am  from owa ,and my  ancestors where kings  of  owa ,  ia  ma  not from umunede , and to give you  a  little history  in ika history ,umunede was formerly called and known as  UKPEHORO   kingdom,does that not sound bini to  you ? agbor was called  ogungunagbon or  agbon -which means earth in bini language and before that time  agbor was called igidi and before then agbor  was called  ominijie,while abavo  was avbavbo  a bini prince.
       for those who  do not know chibuzor  is not an ika name . it  is an  igbo name, our people were subjected to lots  of igbo  influence during the colonial era ,due to  the  fact that the early educated people that  came with  the europeans were from igbo cultural areas, so  they influenced the  ikas a  lot .and due to  the fact that our neighbouring towns (idogbo),like  asaba, ogwashi, ubuluku and others have interracted with us for  long , so  gradually most  ikas began changing certain things  like evolution in the  language and some cultural  practices ,but  thank  god this  is being halted . so  most  cases the  modern ika people tend to  name their children with  names that does not reflect  ika language and culture , presently  i  am writing a book  called 500 ika names. where i  spelt  out rules about naming  ika children and names that constitute ika names and those that  does not constitute  ika names.
    examples     .
1.   ikas  do  not belief in chi as guardian  spirit  as the  igbos do , but we believe in ehi as our guardian spirit. so  chinedu is not an  ika name , but you can have ikas bearing  it .but the   name  in   ika  should be  ehiedu ,while chioma  in igbo  is ehioma in ika.- my personal  god is  good.
2. ehiabor - GOds  blessing.
3. ehiobu  - god of the priest.
4, ehiwuogun - GOd is my medicine or charm.
5. awunli - means hapiness in igbo language but this  is not an  ika name , in  ika it  is called  oghogho - happiness.
6.ebele  -means  mercy   in igbo  language , but  in proper  ika language  it  is  called omiken .
        the good  book said my people perish because  of lack  of  knowledge , so we are educating most  ikas about who  they are with  the different  ika language and culture committes and the  prime ika socio-cultural organisation called  ogwa and  onu   ika .so  that  they  wont  be adopting a forign culture and be tagging  it  ika culture.
having said this , it  makes  me laugh when some  people on this group will insult ika people and expect  me not to  insult their igbo  tribe.people should learn to  show respect to  others so  that others can  show respect to   them , but  trying to  use number to  scare me  will not  work.
      to  answer the  question dein was the title  of the  first  king  of agbor ,when this present dynasty started ,it was later changed to  obi and the present  king changed  it back to  dein.before this the rulers of agbor were called  ogele and after that ogiso ruled agbor for  one thousand years and  later we had the dein/obi dynasty.

    ikas use different  or multiples words for  king   like ogiso,obi,eze,oba, all these words means king, an  example  is one of uncles name is  obawunje ,he  is 92 years old now , the meaning  of the name is the king owns the dance.there are titles  like dein wuyi in agbor kingdom.
           for those who say  ikas have not produced president of nigeria , what  is their business and how many  president has a dominant  group  like igbo  produced for  nigeria , it  shows how trivial some  people can  be , nigeria has over 300 ethnic groups and so  how  many of these groups will produce presidents in a space  of 300 years of nigerias existence and we are just 50 years old as a nation ,  how  many presidents have igbiras produced ? binis ? ishan? uhrobhos? ijaws?
          i am ika and i do not have any  appology to  give to  any  one .every  one should be free to  say who  they are and if 99 percent of ikas have said they are ika ,so  why do  i  have to  worry myself if one percent  of ikas say they are igbo.
             

If true what was the language of the "ika" people before the influence of the Igbos? Also 99% of Aro say they are Aro, 99%of Mbaise say they are Mbaise, 99% of Ezza say they are Ezza, 99% of Ngwa say they are Ngwa, 99% of Ukwuani say they are Ukwuani, 99% of Orsu say they are Orsu so what is your point?. The only 1% of ika that say they are igbo is in your dreams.


Also you lie about what happiness means in Ika. It is the say as in other igbo parts

Happiness is Oghogho in [b]Urhobo [/b]not Ika you damn liar.


Also all of those ehi-names are all dialectical names. Chioma is an ika name too not just for other igbo clans. Bini Bini Bini, every second.LOL. They dont accept you neither do they like you. Do you know what is going on with your igbo brothers from igbanke in Edo state? The say bini hate them and that they will never see them as bro/sis or Edo/Bini. They are crying to be let into anioma state. I find it hypocritical for you to ask for respect we you constantly and clannish and disrespect other igbo clans. When you learn to stop your disrespect then you will get respect. Also, stop preaching about so-called history, we all have our own history, we all have our own dialects, and their all various words for God in the igbo language so save all of that nonsense.

The Obi of Umunede( where agbotaen is from):

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Breaking the Kola:

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chyz pls tell me how you embed youtube videos.

asha 80:

chyz pls tell me how you embed youtube videos.

Remove "watch?" and Replace "=" with /. then highlight everything and click flash.

Thanks.it seems method of embeding has changed

asha 80:

Thanks.it seems method of embeding has changed

No prob.did it work?

yes

Andre Uweh:

Action from Iri Ji 2010, London.

It appears the festival kicked off in full swing after we left. . . and we missed out on all the fun. Pity!

beneli:

It appears the festival kicked off in full swing after we left. . . and we missed out on all the fun. Pity!

WE ARE SO SORRY FOR THE LATE START. The event ended by 3:00am.
Thanks a lot for coming and God bless you.

^^^

No worries.
For next years festival, which we'll endeavour to attend, we'll try to be more 'punctual' a la 'African time'. . . 
The take away food you guys gave us to go home with was delicious. Thanks!

@Agbotaen.Igbos did influence your dialect just the way they influenced every other part of Igboland.In Igboland Chi has many synonyms like orisa,olisa,osa,ose,olise,obasi,abiama.Hence Chineke,Chiokike,Chikeruwa,Orisaburuwa,Osebuluwa,Osabuwa,Obasibinigwe.They mean God the creator.That's why names vary like Chikwe,Osakwe,Orisakwe,Olisakwe.Yours will be Ehikwe.That "kwe" makes it Igbo.As for "oghogho" Igbos in the east also use "Oghnughnu" or "Oghnu" for "Happiness".

Ika has been thoroughly studied and confirmed Igbo by linguists.You and I are not linguists but I hear Igbo in every Ika spoken.What you need to understand is to pay a visit to Abakaliki,Nsukka or Abiriba and you will be convinced that you are linguistically the western end of thesame people.

Chyz, I doubt diapora meetings are that effective.

ChinenyeN:

Chyz, I doubt diapora meetings are that effective.

true.however, its not just the meetings. clans tend to stick around each other and do everything together.Its the interaction that keeps the "lect" going. I rarely(really rarely) see my folks interacting with those outside of their clans. Mostly because they knew each other back in nigeria or through introductions at sunday meetings. The last time i was in Imo i heard a couple times people saying "dalu". Dalu is not an Imo word at all most who havent travel outside of Imo would not know what it means but since people are traveling to work in places like Onitsha or Nnewi they bring back those non-indigenous words.

Lots of igbo is being mixed i even know in mbaise the original word for God the Creater is "Chileke" but both that and "chineke" is used at regularly. Also, they say "la" and "na regularly as well but of course "la" seems to be the indigenous one.

Yeah, that makes sense. I agree, but I feel that a more concrete approach would be much more effective.

ChinenyeN:

Yeah, that makes sense. I agree, but I feel that a more concrete approach would be much more effective.

I feel you, the proposal we discussed in the Extent of Ala Igbo about the provinces, definitely could have checked a lot of these issues and the preservation of indigenous tongues being taught in schools.Unfortunately nigeria that we know who today is not structured that way.

That's very true. So, once again, it's up to the clans to make efforts to preserve their clan tongues.

ChinenyeN:

That's very true. So, once again, it's up to the clans to make efforts to preserve their clan tongues.

Quite difficult to do in the circumstances prevailing now

What the clans are doing is to evolve a standard Igbo that can enable them interact with over 40 million Igbo people.

Andre Uweh:

What the clans are doing is to evolve a standard Igbo that can enable them interact with over 40 million Igbo people.

Andre you don come again which dekiberate actions are they taken

asha 80:

Quite difficult to do in the circumstances prevailing now

True. Makes the whole thing seem hopeless & times. Preservation alone is difficult, talk less of actual development of the lexicon.

Andre Uweh:

What the clans are doing is to evolve a standard Igbo that can enable them interact with over 40 million Igbo people.

The only standard[s] being 'evolved' are the ones that some small committee of people agree upon, during closed-door meetings, which the rest of us wouldn't even give a crumb of ji for. So no, there are not inter-clan efforts to evolve a 'standard Igbo', if anything I'd say that the only evolutions occurring are the circumstantial general Igbo that is rearing its head, along with the different 'street Igbo' that I hear about in different cities.

Abagworo:

@Agbotaen.Igbos did influence your dialect just the way they influenced every other part of Igboland.In Igboland Chi has many synonyms like orisa,olisa,osa,ose,olise,obasi,abiama.Hence Chineke,Chiokike,Chikeruwa,Orisaburuwa,Osebuluwa,Osabuwa,Obasibinigwe.They mean God the creator.That's why names vary like Chikwe,Osakwe,Orisakwe,Olisakwe.Yours will be Ehikwe.That "kwe" makes it Igbo.As for "oghogho" Igbos in the east also use "Oghnughnu" or "Oghnu" for "Happiness".

Ika has been thoroughly studied and confirmed Igbo by linguists.You and I are not linguists but I hear Igbo in every Ika spoken.What you need to understand is to pay a visit to Abakaliki,Nsukka or Abiriba and you will be convinced that you are linguistically the western end of thesame people.

Well done ABAGWORO. That kid will not learn. Any way, the  lil nigger now says Owa and Agbor are not Igbo. At a time, his message was ''we Ika are not Igbo''.
I as a member of an Igbo association in the United Kindom was part of a team that Visited Obi of Owa in South West London this summer. The elated Obi spoke about promoting Igbo culture in diaspora. We visited him because he is an Igbo monarch. We have also visited some other Igbo monarchs who were in London this year, e.g Eze of Umuoma in Ihitte/Uboma LGA, Imo state.
Only last Saturday 16/10/10 at Iri Ji festival in London, members of Ika Town Union were with us to celebrate the festival. One of our biggest supporters for this year's festival is no other person than the president of Ika Town Union.
Ika people are proud Igbo people, that brain dead monkey who disagress should go and hang.