A belief is a belief becuase the believer of that belief has not enough proof to make it fact, so anyone that claim to believe in the existance of God is in fact stating they have doubts about God's existance.

To pass off a belief in God as truth is to lie to yourself and to others, faith is used to justify the lying or the delusion to believe is to doubt, there is just no way around this logic

Define 'Belief'.

Quote from Horus

Belief is ignorance. Belief is to ignore the facts, intentionally or ignorantly. If one has to believe, it means he or she does not know, and if one does not know, that is ignorance. Hence, belief is ignorance and religious beliefs without the facts is ignorance;So demand that anyone attempting to impose upon you their religious beliefs to produce the facts. If you look in the midle of the words be[b]lie[/b]ve and be[b]lie[/b]f you will see the word lie. The most deceptive word in religion is the word "believe" or "belief", Because a person can believe anything and this means that a person can believe,and be one hundrend percent wrong.But knowledge is knowing and knowledge is correct information."To know" gives one confidence, but belief infers doubt. Knowledge can be checked out by one or more of three test: Experience, Evidence and Reason. Knowledge is always logical and it reasons out.

misright:

A belief is a belief becuase the believer of that belief has not enough proof to make it fact, so anyone that claim to believe in the existance of God is in fact stating they have doubts about God's existance.

To pass off a belief in God as truth is to lie to yourself and to others, faith is used to justify the lying or the delusion to believe is to doubt, there is just no way around this logic

Holy tautology, Batman. It makes for an interesting thought, though (the concept of belief with doubt, not the tautological explanation of belief). I don't know I agree with the claim that stating a belief in something - a deity, in this case - is equal in weight to assumption of doubt in that thing. Further, if a person strongly believes in the existence of a being, I don't think it's necessarily lying to strongly state ones belief as if it were the only possible way things are.

It's interesting. I think it deserves some more reflection - on my part, if nobody else's.

If only we lived in a binary world where everything could be broken into a sequence of 1 and 0, I personally beleive it to be a paucity of intellect to "beleive" in something and then assume it to be the only possibility and herein lies the problem of religion.

Reminds me of Verbal aptitude questions in primary school where answers were:

a. Never true
b. Often True but not always true
c. Always true

Then, our answer to the question 2+2 = 4 would most likely be always true even though we usually forgot to make the proviso that you must be working in a base higher than 4. We totally beleved we were right, but in fact we were wrong.

Belief is usually one of these types:

1. The most logical explanation/conclusion you reach about something after some measure of introspection
2. A placeholder explanation/conclusion you reach for want of a better explanation (basically you are stumped)

Note that in both instances, you don't necessarily have to be the one doing all of the thinking.

Type 1 belief is usually good and hardly changes because it usually follows from deep thinking but type 2 belief could be good or bad depending on the circumstances but it is usually bad when people do not own up to the inconsistencies in the belief and it then becomes some sort of mantra with the attendant fanatism. I think most religion adherents fall into Type 2 belief.

The problem isn't with people who beleive per se as there are some who own up to their doubts or make allowances for the possibility of errors in their system/body of belief and fully acknowledge the reality of contradictions whithin their beliefs but the problem is with fanatics who accepts these beliefs as truth and would even kill or maim in instances while acting on their beliefs.