U call that wicked? for me it is developmental thinking

Such decision need to be taken now for tomorrow.

u dont have a point.

Development needs a lot of sacrifices and that is what we are experiencing in Lagos.

Up Fash, Eko oni baje

Ra raoo eko oni baje!

ud4u:

Development needs a lot of sacrifices and that is what we are experiencing in Lagos.

Up Fash, Eko oni baje

Exactly. If we want development, it will come at a prize.

Fashola is evil for trying to give you and your kids a better life?


Some of you no dey even make sense no more,

OAM4J:

Exactly. If we want development, it will come at a prize.

Development in the west also comes at a price but guess what, it can all be done HUMANELY! What happened to the HUMANE option? Is it IMPOSSIBLE to develop HUMANELY now?

Kobojunkie:

Development in the west also comes at a price but guess what, it can all be done HUMANELY! What happened to the HUMANE option? Is it IMPOSSIBLE to develop HUMANELY now?

1st, Lagos do not have all the resources/options of the west

2nd, That place had been long abused: a market turned residential and spot for all sorts of evil (robbery, despoil etc)

3rd, The were given more than 6 months notice to quit and option of another market nearby for their relocation (of course as usual, they claimed they had no money for spaces in the new market)

OAM4J:

1st, Lagos do not have all the resources/options of the west

2nd, That place had been long abused: a market turned residential and spot for all sorts of evil (robbery, despoil etc)

3rd, The were given more than 6 months notice to quit and option of another market nearby for their relocation (of course as usual, they claimed they had no money for spaces in the new market)

I am sorry but you did not address the HUMANE argument, or a reason why the option should not be or cannot be considered in anyway, so how do I even attempt to tackle your response?

"Fashola is Wicked"?

**corks Pump-Action Rifle**

Kobojunkie:

I am sorry but you did not address the HUMANE argument in anyway, so how do I even attempt to tackle your response?

May be because you did not explain what humane measures you were expecting in the 1st instance.



BTW, this is stale. The matter has been well discussed on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-411915.0.html

wonder why OP is bringing it up again.

OAM4J:

May be because you did not explain what humane measures you were expecting in the 1st instance.
BTW, this is stale. The matter has been well discussed on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-411915.0.html
wonder why OP is bringing it up again.

I don't think I have to explain what I mean when I say there is no reason why development cannot happen in a humane. India was only recently condemned by the international community to trying to take sort of the same approach. So, if you can understand why that reaction, then I hope you understand why the same reaction from people in this case and how the reasons you gave earlier does not really address my question. Development, no matter where and no matter the resources available or not can be carried out in a humane manner.

Please don't ever say that again, the man who is turning nigeria in to a small London. Guy think twice.

Kobojunkie:

I don't think I have to explain what I mean when I say there is no reason why development cannot happen in a humane. India was only recently condemned by the international community to trying to take sort of the same approach. So, if you can understand why that reaction, then I hope you understand why the same reaction from people in this case and how the reasons you gave earlier does not really address my question. Development, no matter where and no matter the resources available or not can be carried out in a humane manner.

But you'll never describe or explain the so called humane manner.

As usual, talking crap just for the heck of it.

are you for real ? fashola is evil ??

please

I just do not know what to say because some people's opinion are always born out of sentiments, like this poster who said Fasola is wicked. Anyway, you can't please everyone in life

FASHOLA EVIL NA WOO, YOU ARE THE EVIL ONE

davidif:

If Fashiola is evil, then you are an I D I O T, plain and simple.

Kobojunkie:

I don't think I have to explain what I mean when I say there is no reason why development cannot happen in a humane. India was only recently condemned by the international community to trying to take sort of the same approach. So, if you can understand why that reaction, then I hope you understand why the same reaction from people in this case and how the reasons you gave earlier does not really address my question. Development, no matter where and no matter the resources available or not can be carried out in a humane manner.

Kobo, if you cant proffer humane alternatives to it, then you should stop blabbing

fyneguy:

Kobo, if you cant proffer humane alternatives to it, then you should stop blabbing

So because you are UNWILLING to apply your brain cells in these things, I should stop talking? Ugh!! It is not rocket science, even the dictionary will get you a long way to understanding the application of that word even in this case. Try not responding to posts you are UNWILLING to analyze, applying your God given mental cabability, no matter how limited  . That will probably be the best solution to situations that you are unwilling to connect to on a rational level.

In as much as one could acknowledge the right Lagos Government to so-called eminenet domain, enabling them to seize individual property such as land, for the greater good of the state, it is noteworthy that in the developed world, when this government right is used, the affected people are adequately compensated.

Not compensating the affected people simply breeds resentment, criminals, and bad citizens. Fashola could implement these bulldozing activities in a more humane and fair manner.

ndu_chucks:

In as much as one could acknowledge the right Lagos Government to so-called eminenet domain, enabling them to seize individual property such as land, for the greater good of the state, it is noteworthy that in the developed world, when this government right is used, the affected people are adequately compensated.

Not compensating the affected people simply breeds resentment, criminals, and bad citizens. Fashola could implement these bulldozing activities in a more humane and fair manner.

so the government should start giving out money for ilegal slums and shanties? Very smart.

babapupa:

so the government should start giving out money for ilegal slums and shanties? Very smart.

Your response does not come accross as a briliant one in this case. In case you missed my point, I wrote:

Fashola could implement these bulldozing activities in a more humane and fair manner.

If all you got out of my post was that I was calling for the government to start giving out money for illegal slums and shanties, then your motives are questionable at best.

How many people want to give Fashola an award for being a destroyer of poor people. He ruined the lives of Ajelogo people. Fashola despises poor Lagosians, refuses to take care of their needs, and even exiled many to Oyo and Ogun State just because they were poor. Fashola is indeed Evil.

@ babapupa : did Fashola give the people of Ajelogo market a better life? Fashola has even made their lives harder. What nonsense some folks are talking on this thread. You stupid Nigerians love wicked leaders who oppress and never help the poor.

I told my brother to quit this place but for five years all my pleas fell on deaf ears. I have a befitting accommodation in Mowe where I gave him three rooms but he ignored my advice, prefering to occupy two shops here with his four wives and 15 children.”

Those were the words of 50 years old Mufutau Aare, a native of Modakeke in Osun State as he assisted his younger brother, Ajibola Aare, to salvage his property when a team of Lagos State Lagos State Task Force on Environmental and Special Offences (Enforcement) stormed the popular Akanimodo and Ajelogo Market of Mile 12, in Agboyi_Ketu, Local Council Development Area (LCDA), located off Ikorodu Road to carry out a demolition exercise.

Ajibola, a plank seller, was among the numerous traders whose shanties and lock-up shops were demolished in the wee hours of last Sunday. Many of them trade and reside in the shops in the absence of befitting accommodations.

“I paid the sum of N3,600 in the shop I occupied and carried out my business activities for the past 10 years,” said a mother of four, Madam Adejoke Ayinde, a native of Badagry.

“I started living in this place four years ago when my husband abandoned me and the children. You must have a minimum of N80,000 to secure an apartment in Mile 12. As soon as your rent expires, you are required to pay annually or bi-annually. That was why I started sleeping in the shop,” she told Vanguard Metro.

Although many of them could not hold back their tears, but they commended the government for a job well done. “We cannot tell you lies, the government has for the past two years informed us about the demolition but our landlords told us they have settled some government officials. For instance, our landlords collected six months rentage from us which they(supposedly) took to Alausa last Friday,” claimed Mrs Ejire Abiodun and Kemi Oriowo.

But rather than join this chorus of commendation of government for its action, others berated it, saying they were not notified. “Only few people were notified; my landlord came here to collect N12,000 a week ago and he did not tell me anything. He only told us government wanted to construct a drainage and that only few shops would be demolished. Government owes us the duty to protect our lives; there should be radio and television jingles or newspaper announcement any time they want to carry out demolition,” chorused Oladeji Omoyale and Madam Sobowale [/b]Adeyemi.
[b]
While the exercise brought wailing and lamentation to some people, some residents in the area sighed with relief. Many of them told Vanguard Metro that the demolition would at least put to an end the frequent ritual sacrifices carried out in the market.

“Some of the traders have been performing a lot of sacrifice in this market. They said the purpose was so that Fashola would forget about the demolition. According to them, the Governor would be so engaged with other state matters that he will forget about this place. They have killed a lot of rams and goats but all proved abortive,” they said.

According to them, the market had more or less become a hide out for some hoodlums who used the place for their nefarious activities. “I have lived here for a period of 17 years. Initially the place was peaceful until recently when residents could not sleep with their eyes closed. The place became a breeding ground for hoodlums who defecate and liter the environment with refuse. Many of them are street urchins who loot and rob people any time they have the advantage to do so. Many of them who passed the night in our compound claimed they had paid a lot of money to their local government chairman not knowing the money did not get to Fashola,” said Mrs. Oluwakemi Peters.

When Vanguard Metro visited the scene on Monday, the task force team and other law enforcement agents were at alert to prevent hoodlums from taking advantage of the demolition to loot and steal. “The exercise was successful and we have a lot of cooperation from the traders,” said one of them who pleaded anonymity.

Unlike the previous demolition exercise in the state, some of the traders said they were allowed to pack their wares before the task officials began their operation. “They waited for us to pack our goods before they started their operation. Even if they give us three years notice, our people will not comply; they will say na lie, na lie until it is too late to save anything,” said the traders.

Chief Superintendent of Police, Bayo Suleman who led the team informed thus: “There has been no resistance so far and we are not expecting any because they were duly informed by their leaders who we had several meetings regarding the need for this exercise. We informed them that all the illegal structures in the area would be demolished,

“You can see that most of them had packed all their wares and those who are yet to do so are making arrangements to that effect before the bulldozer will get to them. It is easier for us to carry out the exercise without people complaining that their goods were destroyed during the exercise”.

@porter Stop this nonsense. Just because he destroyed buildings on the path of water you are talking jargons, do you want people to die of flooding. Stop making unnecessary noise. You only need attention.

ndu_chucks:

Your response does not come accross as a briliant one in this case.  In case you missed my point, I wrote:
If all you got out of my post was that I was calling for the government to start giving out money for illegal slums and shanties, then your motives are questionable at best.

It really doesn't matter what I got out of your post. You used the word compensation? And are you trying to dictate what to quote and not quit out of your ridiculous statements?

Why not first answer my question gan sef?

Should the Government of the great state of Lagos be compensating people for setting up illegal domains, slums and shanties?

And in addition, how much should the state pay to compensate folks for illegal settlements and public safety hazards? And how much do you suggest the state pay to compensate lawbreakers for tons of other illegal settlements around the state?


Now, per the rest of your shortsighted argument, your eminent domain reasoning is absolutely null and void. We are talking about illegal settlements, not legally purchased/acquired properties. In your sensible and rational mind, do you think it's wise and prudent for any sane government to spend taxpayers money to reward illegalities and public safety hazards?  

And about humane, the state did the most humane thing by  giving them more than 2 years to move out of the area and find other living arrangements, the state didn't just show up with bulldozers and start wrecking away.  And instead of vacating or work on other living arrangements, they were busy doing killing goats and doing juju to make the government  forget about the place.

You really are a brilliant guy? I'm sure you have a PHD degree in public administration?

Dumb post, lousy poster. Go get a job.

We love Fashola. Development comes at a cost. I remeber when Ibori was doing same in Asaba, people called him all sorts of names. Today, the peole are proud of Asaba.

ifele:

@ babapupa : did Fashola give the people of Ajelogo market a better life? Fashola has even made their lives harder. What nonsense some folks are talking on this thread. You silly Nigerians love wicked leaders who oppress and never help the poor.

And how do you suggest the government make their life better? By encouraging them to settle on flood plains and drainage systems and keep endangering themselves and other law abiding Lagosians?

Look here, the Government can not take care of the thousands of people moving in from every corner of Nigeria daily, it's not by force to live in Lagos, people move in with no money, no family and place to stay, they end up setting up slums everywhere and as we all know,  slums are breeding grounds for illegal activities. Slums don't have social and infrastructural outreach by the government hence people living in dirt, unhygienic and substandard situations.

Lagos state government can not support every soul inside Lagos state, it is absolutely unsustainable, some folks just have to head back to their towns and villages were they don't have to exist in slums and crime infested jungles.

@Babapupa,

Your thesis, in response to my last post, was for the most part, hogwash and a bunch of bull. Your humane way of dealing with these people is to give them 2 years to move when it is obvious that these people have no means of relocating. Most of them hardly make enough money to survive.

I submit to you that it is the responsibility of the government to provide the environment that will enable these people to exist beyond subsistence. Many of these people are traders, I'm yet to hear of any micromarket financing program or business development program set up by the government to assist these traders in taking their business to the next level, before bulldozing their way of life.

These people should be treated as refugees of war, relocated, and resettled appropriately. One effect of the government's actions is to breed a new set of angry armed robbers who will terrorise Lagosians. When you elitists become victims of their reaction, you will learn to be more humane.

There is nothing wrong with what the government is trying to do, the execution of the plan is what I find insensitive and inhumane. The plan could have been executed in a more humane manner - no sensible person should argue with this fact.