TATIME:
My brother, Jesus said let your YES remain YES while your NO remains NO,anything short of this is from Satan the Devil! Matthew 5:37
I will continue to take Hairyrapunzel for Hairyrapunzel and Deadlytruth for Deadlytruth, as long as the bears keep calling themselves separate persons,remember those who goes on disguising are descendants of the one who disguised as a serpent at Genesis 3:1-5.
Please let's continue dealing with these beautiful souls the way they are presenting themselves{sincere persons} it's not ours to decide who they are,each person will know in his/her own heart where he/she TRULY belongs!

I thought we are in a debate running on scrptural facts and logic? When the Pharisees lost out to Jesus in debates they resorted to accusing him of being demon possessed, being of the Beelzebub extraction, etc. just to save face from the embarrassing defeat Jesus wrecked on them and their man made opinions about God. Same is happening here. You want to bait me with insults so as to derail me from my exposure of the heretic nature of your organization. I will not fall for this bait.
I am only interested in you substantiating your doctrine with the scriptures.

Deadlytruth:


I thought we are in a debate running on scrptural facts and logic? When the Pharisees lost out to Jesus in debates they resorted to accusing him of being demon possessed, being of the Beelzebub extraction, etc. just to save face from the embarrassing defeat Jesus wrecked on them and their man made opinions about God. Same is happening here. You want to bait me with insults so as to deviate from my exposure of the heretic nature of your organization. I will not fall for this bait.
I am only interested in you substantiating your doctrine with the scriptures.

Once beaten twice shy my friend,what the OP wrote has been written already and i don't think he is ready to swallow it back!
So you can continue arguing for all i care,Jehovah's Witnesses has been given the credit by someone who is NOT a JW but one of your Pentecostals, case closed!

TATIME:
Once beaten twice shy my friend,what the OP wrote has been written already and i don't think he is ready to swallow it back!
So you can continue arguing for all i care,Jehovah's Witnesses has been given the credit by someone who is NOT a JW but one of your Pentecostals, case closed!

On the overall scale, the OP says he hates your doctrine.
Even on the aspect of offering he has been educated thus disillusioned that your organization is actually the only one which forces her members as per offering as it dictates what to give, how to give and when to give. He has also been clarified that your organization also cajoles even unbelievers to give offerings to it.

Deadlytruth:


On the overall scale, the OP says he hates your doctrine.
Even on the aspect of offering he has been educated thus disillusioned that your organization is actually the only one which forces her members as per offering as it dictates what to give, how to give and when to give. He has also been clarified that your organization also cajoles even unbelievers to give offerings to it.

Go and rewrite what has been written to suit your taste Sir,as far as this thread is concerned the OP has written that. John 19:22 CASE CLOSED!

TATIME:
Go and rewrite what has been written to suit your taste Sir,as far as this thread is concerned the OP has written that. John 19:22 CASE CLOSED!

The mere fact that the OP brought up the issue here for discussion in the first instance means he had not really made up an opinion about it. So you can't really claim he eulogised you. However, his question has been thoroughly answered with supporting scrptures that your organization is the most forceful in demanding offerings from members and even non-members.

Janosky:



Offspring of viper !!!!
' hairyrapunzel masquerades as 'deadlytruth'
Lying Pharisee always disdain the expressed command of Jesus Christ.
Mtschewwww.

Let me further reset your heart back to the path of truth.

Acts 17:1-2 says:
1. Paul and Silas traveled on through Amphipolis and Apollonia and came to Thessalonica, where there was a synagogue.

2. According to his usual habit Paul went to the synagogue. There during three Sabbaths he held discussions with the people, quoting

3. and explaining the Scriptures.....

Acts 18:1-4 says:
1. After this, Paul left Athens and went on to Corinth.

2. There he met a Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, who had recently come from Italy with his wife Priscilla, for Emperor Claudius had ordered all the Jews to leave Rome. Paul went to see them,

3. and stayed and worked with them, because he earned his living by making tents, just as they did.

4. He held discussions in the synagogue every Sabbath, trying to convince both Jews and Greeks.

Acts 17:10 says:
10. As soon as night came, the believers sent Paul and Silas to Berea. When they arrived, they went to the synagogue.

Acts 17:16-17 says:
16. While Paul was waiting in Athens for Silas and Timothy, he was greatly upset when he noticed how full of idols the city was.

17. So he held discussions in the synagogue with the Jews and with the Gentiles who worshiped God, and also in the public square every day with the people who happened to come by.

Acts 17: 22-23 says:
22. Paul stood up in front of the city council and said, *I see that in every way you Athenians are very religious.

23. For as I walked through your city[/b]and looked at the places where you worship,.....

Acts 19:8 says:

8. [b]Paul went into the synagogue[/b]and for three months spoke boldly with the people, holding discussions with them and [b]trying to convince them about the Kingdom of God.

All these references show clearly that Paul always went to either the synagogue or the city square (i.e. public places) whenever he arrived a new town to evangelize. It is not recorded anywhere in the scriptures that on arrival in a new place he started going from house to house.

TATIME:
You're one funny clown that is worth watching on a circus Sir!
So when Jehovah's Witnesses are
*Preaching and teaching from house to house.Act 20:20
*Disarming their members from touching weapons.Isaiah 2:4
*Having nothing to do with Worldly Politics.John 17:16
*Making a global family of worshipers. Ephesians 4:3,Philippians 2:2
So you are saying all these breakaway groups are also PERFORMING the same task
Well Apostle John have answered you! 1John 2:19
If you don't understand,i have explained how JWs came out from these Satan's RELIGIOUS system. Revelations 18:4
Jesus(after his ascension) allowed falsehood to remain within Christianity{Matthew 13:24-30} after the death of the Apostles Apostles,Apostates with the backing of the Roman government scrap true Christianity so that people from far and near only knew Pagan Catholic Church as Christians. Many started protesting and breaking away but they are also having dealings with politics so they failed to produce the FRUIT required until America declared FREEDOM of speech,expression and worship. The door finally opened for TRUE Christianity to start taking shape again! So all that you've heard about JWs reformation is the result of Jesus back to inspect His spiritual temple and cleanse it.Matthew 24:45,Luke 18:8 That is why you hear of JWs changing so many things they used to do before,don't be obstinate about this because Jesus is still the same person,remember that is how He kept helping the first century Christians in readjusting their mindset. Remember TRUE Christians are HUMBLE so they will never think of what unbelievers will say whenever Jesus is teaching them to MAKE AMENDMENTS in their beliefs! John 6:61-69
Today TRUE Christianity is fully restored therefore whoever breaks away from what Jesus(the true vine) has established can never bear the FRUITS expected of Jesus' followers. John 15:4-6

As per the bolded: The fact that your doctrinal changes are sometimes reversals to the old ones you initially discarded makes it clear that it is not really inspired by Jesus.
So your rationalization of doctrinal instability with the "Light gets Brighter" principle is actually an out of context use of that biblical principle.
In order to justify that the Watchtower teaches truth, despite constant doctrinal changes, the idea of the “light gets brighter” is invoked. They claim the new doctrine does not contradict but clarifies old doctrine. The progression of doctrine is described as tacking, moving from side to side but ever forward.
A Watchtower publication goes thus:
“Of course, such development of understanding, involving “tacking” as it were, has often served as a test of loyalty for those associated with the “faithful and discreet slave.” However, progress is being made continually toward fuller appreciation of the “good news” and all that it means.” Watchtower 1981 Dec 1 p.31.
But this is actually not the case in many doctrinal changes, where the doctrine has gone back and forth between two or more interpretations. Recent examples regard the “ generation ” and “ faithful and discreet slave.” In such cases, the new doctrine is presented as new light, without revealing that they are going back to a previous teaching.
For instance, the Watchtower used to teach that the Superior Authorities of Romans 13:1 were Governments. In 1929, this was changed to being Jehovah and Jesus. In 1962, this went back to being Governments. Yet when discussing this topic, Watchtower publications, such as
Watchtower 1990 Nov 1 p.11 and
Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom pp.146-147, present the 1962 change as “progressive” or “increased” light, failing to mention that they were returning to “old light.”

Deadlytruth:


The mere fact that the OP brought up the issue here for discussion in the first instance means he had not really made up an opinion about it. So you can't really claim he eulogised you. However, his question has been thoroughly answered with supporting scrptures that your organization is the most forceful in demanding offerings from members and even non-members.

Neither you nor all your Daddy and Mummy GOs put together can erase it from the minds of honest hearted individuals Sir.
So keep arguing! John 7:45-52

Deadlytruth:


As per the bolded: The fact that your doctrinal changes are sometimes reversals to the old ones you initially discarded makes it clear that it is not really inspired by Jesus.
So your rationalization of doctrinal instability with the "Light gets Brighter" principle is actually an out of context use of that biblical principle.
In order to justify that the Watchtower teaches truth, despite constant doctrinal changes, the idea of the “light gets brighter” is invoked. They claim the new doctrine does not contradict but clarifies old doctrine. The progression of doctrine is described as tacking, moving from side to side but ever forward.
A Watchtower publication goes thus:
“Of course, such development of understanding, involving “tacking” as it were, has often served as a test of loyalty for those associated with the “faithful and discreet slave.” However, progress is being made continually toward fuller appreciation of the “good news” and all that it means.” Watchtower 1981 Dec 1 p.31.
But this is actually not the case in many doctrinal changes, where the doctrine has gone back and forth between two or more interpretations. Recent examples regard the “ generation ” and “ faithful and discreet slave.” In such cases, the new doctrine is presented as new light, without revealing that they are going back to a previous teaching.
For instance, the Watchtower used to teach that the Superior Authorities of Romans 13:1 were Governments. In 1929, this was changed to being Jehovah and Jesus. In 1962, this went back to being Governments. Yet when discussing this topic, Watchtower publications, such as
Watchtower 1990 Nov 1 p.11 and
Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom pp.146-147, present the 1962 change as “progressive” or “increased” light, failing to mention that they were returning to “old light.”

Hmmmmmmm 8,000,000+ worldwide are zealously and industriously standing firm for the brightness,so you can search for a better group or better still remain a fugitive expecting Jesus to accept you without been part of a unique group! Matthew 25:41-46

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmm 8,000,000+ worldwide are zealously and industriously standing firm for the brightness,so you can search for a better group or better still remain a fugitive expecting Jesus to accept you without been part of a unique group! Matthew 25:41-46

Do you even read the verses you quote? Mathew 25:41-46 doesn't say a single thing about belonging to or not belonging to a group. Here is what it says:

41. Then he will say to those on his left, 'Away from me, you that are under God's curse! Away to the eternal fire which has been prepared for the Devil and his angels!

42. I was hungry but you would not feed me, thirsty but you would not give me a drink;

43. I was a stranger but you would not welcome me in your homes, naked but you would not clothe me; I was sick and in prison but you would not take care of me.'

44. Then they will answer him, 'When, Lord, did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and we would not help you?'

45. The King will reply, 'I tell you, whenever you refused to help one of these least important ones, you refused to help me.'

46. These, then, will be sent off to eternal punishment, but the righteous will go to eternal life.

So where is the issue of group membership in all the above?

The only parts of the Bible where the issue of compulsory versus optional group membership was mentioned is by Jesus Himself and such are found in Mark 9:38-41 and Luke 9:49-50
Mark 9:38-41 goes thus:

38. John said to him, *Teacher, we saw a man who was driving out demons in your name, and we told him to stop, because he doesn't belong to our group

39. Do not try to stop him,* Jesus told them, *because no one who performs a miracle in my name will be able soon afterward to say evil things about me.

40. For whoever is not against us is for us.

Luke 9:49-50 says as follows:
49. John spoke up, *Master, we saw a man driving out demons in your name, and we told him to stop, because he doesn't belong to our group.

50. Do not try to stop him,* Jesus said to him and to the other disciples, *because whoever is not against you is for you

Despite Jesus really perfectly having all the qualities that would confer on his group the status of the only truly God's approved one, he still didn't view his group like that but even forbade His disciples from having the perception that whoever was not part of their group lacked God's approval. I guess your organization is better than Jesus and his disciples as a group.
The problem with you JWs is that you deny what you see very clearly in the Bible just because you want to manufacture validation for your human doctrines. You are so brainwashed by some 8 men in New York that you have lost simple commonsense required to study the Bible yourself with an independent mind. The earlier you retrieve your looted brain from those 8 men, the better for you.

TATIME:
Neither you nor all your Daddy and Mummy GOs put together can erase it from the minds of honest hearted individuals Sir.
So keep arguing! John 7:45-52

Like I already said; you don't read the verses you reference. This is what John7:45-52 says:
45. When the guards went back, the chief priests and Pharisees asked them, *Why did you not bring him?*

46. The guards answered, *Nobody has ever talked the way this man does!*

47. *Did he fool you, too?* the Pharisees asked them.

48. *Have you ever known one of the authorities or one Pharisee to believe in him?

49. This crowd does not know the Law of Moses, so they are under God's curse!*

50. One of the Pharisees there was Nicodemus, the man who had gone to see Jesus before. He said to the others,

51. *According to our Law we cannot condemn people before hearing them and finding out what they have done.*

52-53. *Well,* they answered, *are you also from Galilee? Study the Scriptures and you will learn that no prophet ever comes from Galilee.*
Of what relationship is this passage with the topic of manner of offering in contention?
Your organization is nothing but a cult with an unstable doctrinal identity.

Deadlytruth:


Do you even read the verses you quote? Mathew 25:41-46 doesn't say a single thing about belonging to or not belonging to a group. Here is what it says:

41. Then he will say to those on his left, 'Away from me, you that are under God's curse! Away to the eternal fire which has been prepared for the Devil and his angels!

42. I was hungry but you would not feed me, thirsty but you would not give me a drink;

43. I was a stranger but you would not welcome me in your homes, naked but you would not clothe me; I was sick and in prison but you would not take care of me.'

44. Then they will answer him, 'When, Lord, did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and we would not help you?'

45. The King will reply, 'I tell you, whenever you refused to help one of these least important ones, you refused to help me.'

46. These, then, will be sent off to eternal punishment, but the righteous will go to eternal life.

So where is the issue of group membership in all the above?

The only parts of the Bible where the issue of compulsory versus optional group membership was mentioned is by Jesus Himself and such are found in Mark 9:38-41 and Luke 9:49-50
Mark 9:38-41 goes thus:

38. John said to him, *Teacher, we saw a man who was driving out demons in your name, and we told him to stop, because he doesn't belong to our group

39. Do not try to stop him,* Jesus told them, *because no one who performs a miracle in my name will be able soon afterward to say evil things about me.

40. For whoever is not against us is for us.

Luke 9:49-50 says as follows:
49. John spoke up, *Master, we saw a man driving out demons in your name, and we told him to stop, because he doesn't belong to our group.

50. Do not try to stop him,* Jesus said to him and to the other disciples, *because whoever is not against you is for you

I'm sorry for your deceived soul Sir!
If you meditate THOROUGHLY on what you and i quoted,you'll notice that Jesus is emphasizing the RECOGNISION of "His brothers" and being of great assistance to them!
When Jesus admonished His followers not to hinder anybody who wants to preach,teach or heal in Jesus' name, that time Christianity has not been firmly established as a GROUP. But after Pentecost 33ce whoever wants th heavens to count him/her as a believer MUST join the GROUP to learn how he/she should preach and teach about Christ! Act 2:42
Consider Apollo, he knew the scriptures concerning Jesus but ONLY acquainted with the teachings by John the baptist,so he was taught what to preach and teach about Jesus{Act 18:24-28}If he dare say "NO" then the heavens will not count him as a believer!{Matthew 16:19} So he must JOIN the group that has the ACCURATE knowledge of the scriptures. Romans 10:1-4
Paul met Jesus on his way to Damascus, Jesus spoke DIRECTLY with Paul from heaven, but Paul must identify,learn and join the GROUP that Jesus is using otherwise he is on his own! Note that Jesus NEVER told Paul WHAT TO DO but asked him to go and LEARN what to do from a member of His GROUP! Act 9:6
So my friend Jehovah and HIS only begotten son Jesus knows what ORDERLINESS meant,they will never do things that will undermine it! 1Corinthians 14:40
God bless you!

TATIME:
I'm sorry for your deceived soul Sir!
If you meditate THOROUGHLY on what you and i quoted,you'll notice that Jesus is emphasizing the RECOGNISION of "His brothers" and being of great assistance to them!
When Jesus admonished His followers not to hinder anybody who wants to preach,teach or heal in Jesus' name, that time Christianity has not been firmly established as a GROUP.

The word 'Christianity' was first used by the people of Antioch to mean "Of Christ's party" in trying to describe the Apostles. The People of Antioch were not referring to a new group of believers in Jesus but to the Apostles who were part and parcel of Jesus-headed group which Jesus the head did not view as the only God approved group. So the idea that Christianity was not fully established under Jesus is as usual one of your human doctrines to validate your heresy. How could Christianity not have been fully established under its very founder who had made known the new covenant which Christianity was all about? Does that even make any sense?

TATIME:
But after Pentecost 33ce whoever wants th heavens to count him/her as a believer MUST join the GROUP to learn how he/she should preach and teach about Christ! Act 2:42

Acts 2:42 does not expressly so declare. You only smuggled that into it to validate your false doctrine. This is what it says: They spent their time in learning from the apostles, taking part in the fellowship, and sharing in the fellowship meals and the prayers.
The whole passage describes a people whose physical joining of the group was not because it was a condition for being approved but because the group practised communism which was the only way nearly any believer could survive under the atmosphere of persecution of the early church by the heathen authorities. Acts 4:32-Acts 5:11. So why do JWs not now practice communism as a group in order to appear exactly like those believers?

TATIME:
Consider Apollo, he knew the scriptures concerning Jesus but ONLY acquainted with the teachings by John the baptist,so he was taught what to preach and teach about Jesus{Act 18:24-28}If he dare say "NO" then the heavens will not count him as a believer!{Matthew 16:19} So he must JOIN the group that has the ACCURATE knowledge of the scriptures. Romans 10:1-4

The verses you referenced make it rather clear that Apollos already was very grounded in the scriptures and was preaching it but just that he knew only about John's baptism. However the Aquilla and Priscilla who taught him the accurate Knowledge were not members of an entirely different group which Apollos was already part of. In essence it was nembers of his own group that taught him the accurate knowledge and not that he left his group for another group which supposedly had a more correct knowledge. Appolos belonged to Paul's group which was different from Peter's group yet they were both accepted by God. And come to think of it; do you still think your organization is a right group given all that has been exposed on its very many unscriptural doctrines which are always changing? So your argument fails woefully again.
The Matthew 16:19 you referenced is as usual totally unrelated to the topic. The Romans 10:1-4 rather describes your organization as it is the one that is apparently very devoted in preaching from house to house (in total disregard for Jesus command against it) and boasting about it as a sign of being approved by making up your own standards hence lacking in true knowledge about the fact that people are put right with God through faith in Jesus and not through their own efforts or works of the hands or body (Ephesians 2:8-9... For it is by God's grace that you have been saved through faith. It is not the result of your own efforts, but God's gift, so that no one can boast about it.

TATIME:
Paul met Jesus on his way to Damascus, Jesus spoke DIRECTLY with Paul from heaven, but Paul must identify,learn and join the GROUP that Jesus is using otherwise he is on his own! Note that Jesus NEVER told Paul WHAT TO DO but asked him to go and LEARN what to do from a member of His GROUP! Act 9:6
So my friend Jehovah and HIS only begotten son Jesus knows what ORDERLINESS meant,they will never do things that will undermine it! 1Corinthians 14:40
God bless you!

Like I said and will always say; you don't really read the verses you reference.
In the whole of Acts Chapter 9, there is no single place where Jesus commanded Paul to go and learn from the apostles first. The verse 6 you quoted says: "Go into the city and you will be told what to do". You took out the the verse in isolation as usual of your manipulative organization. If you had read the later verses you would realize that Jesus was by that directive telling Paul to go into Damascus and be told how to restore his lost sight and never to be taught anything by the apostles who were rather in Jerusalem and not in Damascus. Here are the verses:
5. *Who are you, Lord?* he asked. *I am Jesus, whom you persecute,* the voice said.

6. But get up and go into the city, where you will be told what you must do.

7. The men who were traveling with Saul had stopped, not saying a word; they heard the voice but could not see anyone.

8. Saul got up from the ground and opened his eyes, but could not see a thing. So they took him by the hand and led him into Damascus.

Also, the preceeding verses record that the Ananias Paul was asked to meet was a believer in Damascus and was therefore definitely not part of the Jerusalem group of apostles. Even Ananias himself described the Jerusalem group as a separate one from the believers in Damascus.

See below:

9. For three days he was not able to see, and during that time he did not eat or drink anything.

10. There was a believer in Damascus named Ananias. He had a vision, in which the Lord said to him, *Ananias!* *Here I am, Lord,* he answered.

11. The Lord said to him, *Get ready and go to Straight Street, and at the house of Judas ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul. He is praying,

13. Ananias answered, Lord, many people have told me about this man and about all the terrible things he has done to your people in Jerusalem.

Then here is where God declared that Him alone and not any Apostle would teach Paul what to do in thereafter as regards the gospel he was just about to start spreading:

15. The Lord said to him, *Go, because I have chosen him to serve me, to make my name known to Gentiles and kings and to the people of Israel.

16. And I myself will show him all that he must suffer for my sake.*

Verse 19 also tells you there were believers in Damascus who were not part of the group in Jerusalem. It also tell you that Paul thereafter went straight to the synagogue to start preaching thus had not visited the Apostles in Jerusalem yet let alone being taught by them:

19. and after he had eaten, his strength came back. Saul stayed for a few days with the believers in Damascus.


20. He went straight to the synagogues and began to preach that Jesus was the Son of God.


22. But Saul's preaching became even more powerful, and his proofs that Jesus was the Messiah were so convincing that the Jews who lived in Damascus could not answer him.


When Paul eventually travelled to Jerusalem, the Apostles were even afraid of him but after some intervention by Barnabas, they accepted him to preach with them right away without anyone of them teaching him any damn thing:

26. Saul went to Jerusalem and tried to join the disciples. But they would not believe that he was a disciple, and they were all afraid of him.

27. Then Barnabas came to his help and took him to the apostles. He explained to them how Saul had seen the Lord on the road and that the Lord had spoken to him. He also told them how boldly Saul had preached in the name of Jesus in Damascus.

28. And so Saul stayed with them and went all over Jerusalem, preaching boldly in the name of the Lord.

In Galatians 1:11-12 Paul would later say it with his own mouth that no one (the other apostles inclusive) ever taught him the gospel. See it below:

11. Let me tell you, my friends, that the gospel I preach is not of human origin.

12. I did not receive it from any human being, nor did anyone teach it to me. It was Jesus Christ himself who revealed it to me.

All the above clearly show that you soul is lost to ignorance because you have made yourself a mental slave to some 8 manipulation and mind control experts in New York. It is still not too late to retrieve your brain from them and start reading the Bible holistically with an independent mind rather than the "Watchtower says" mindset.

Deadlytruth:
The word 'Christianity' was first used by the people of Antioch to mean "Of Christ's party" in trying to describe the Apostles. The People of Antioch were not referring to a new group of believers in Jesus but to the Apostles who were part and parcel of Jesus-headed group which Jesus the head did not view as the only God approved group. So the idea that Christianity was not fully established under Jesus is as usual one of your human doctrines to validate your heresy. How could Christianity not have been fully established under its very founder who had made known the new covenant which Christianity was all about? Does that even make any sense?

Acts 2:42 does not expressly so declare. You only smuggled that into it to validate your false doctrine. This is what it says: They spent their time in learning from the apostles, taking part in the fellowship, and sharing in the fellowship meals and the prayers.
The whole passage describes a people whose physical joining of the group was not because it was a condition for being approved but because the group practised communism which was the only way nearly any believer could survive under the atmosphere of persecution of the early church by the heathen authorities. Acts 4:32-Acts 5:11. So why do JWs not now practice communism as a group in order to appear exactly like those believers?


The verses you referenced make it rather clear that Apollos already was very grounded in the scriptures and was preaching it but just that he knew only about John's baptism. However the Aquilla and Priscilla who taught him the accurate Knowledge were not members of an entirely different group which Apollos was already part of. In essence it was nembers of his own group that taught him the accurate knowledge and not that he left his group for another group which supposedly had a more correct knowledge. Appolos belonged to Paul's group which was different from Peter's group yet they were both accepted by God. And come to think of it; do you still think your organization is a right group given all that has been exposed on its very many unscriptural doctrines which are always changing? So your argument fails woefully again.
The Matthew 16:19 you referenced is as usual totally unrelated to the topic. The Romans 10:1-4 rather describes your organization as it is the one that is apparently very devoted in preaching from house to house (in total disregard for Jesus command against it) and boasting about it as a sign of being approved by making up your own standards hence lacking in true knowledge about the fact that people are put right with God through faith in Jesus and not through their own efforts or works of the hands or body (Ephesians 2:8-9... For it is by God's grace that you have been saved through faith. It is not the result of your own efforts, but God's gift, so that no one can boast about it.



Like I said and will always say; you don't really read the verses you reference.
In the whole of Acts Chapter 9, there is no single place where Jesus commanded Paul to go and learn from the apostles first. The verse 6 you quoted says: "Go into the city and you will be told what to do". You took out the the verse in isolation as usual of your manipulative organization. If you had read the later verses you would realize that Jesus was by that directive telling Paul to go into Damascus and be told how to restore his lost sight and never to be taught anything by the apostles who were rather in Jerusalem and not in Damascus. Here are the verses:
5. *Who are you, Lord?* he asked. *I am Jesus, whom you persecute,* the voice said.

6. But get up and go into the city, where you will be told what you must do.

7. The men who were traveling with Saul had stopped, not saying a word; they heard the voice but could not see anyone.

8. Saul got up from the ground and opened his eyes, but could not see a thing. So they took him by the hand and led him into Damascus.

Also, the preceeding verses record that the Ananias Paul was asked to meet was a believer in Damascus and was therefore definitely not part of the Jerusalem group of apostles. Even Ananias himself described the Jerusalem group as a separate one from the believers in Damascus.

See below:

9. For three days he was not able to see, and during that time he did not eat or drink anything.

10. There was a believer in Damascus named Ananias. He had a vision, in which the Lord said to him, *Ananias!* *Here I am, Lord,* he answered.

11. The Lord said to him, *Get ready and go to Straight Street, and at the house of Judas ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul. He is praying,

13. Ananias answered, Lord, many people have told me about this man and about all the terrible things he has done to your people in Jerusalem.

Then here is where God declared that Him alone and not any Apostle would teach Paul what to do in thereafter as regards the gospel he was just about to start spreading:

15. The Lord said to him, *Go, because I have chosen him to serve me, to make my name known to Gentiles and kings and to the people of Israel.

16. And I myself will show him all that he must suffer for my sake.*

Verse 19 also tells you there were believers in Damascus who were not part of the group in Jerusalem. It also tell you that Paul thereafter went straight to the synagogue to start preaching thus had not visited the Apostles in Jerusalem yet let alone being taught by them:

19. and after he had eaten, his strength came back. Saul stayed for a few days with the believers in Damascus.


20. He went straight to the synagogues and began to preach that Jesus was the Son of God.


22. But Saul's preaching became even more powerful, and his proofs that Jesus was the Messiah were so convincing that the Jews who lived in Damascus could not answer him.


When Paul eventually travelled to Jerusalem, the Apostles were even afraid of him but after some intervention by Barnabas, they accepted him to preach with them right away without anyone of them teaching him any damn thing:

26. Saul went to Jerusalem and tried to join the disciples. But they would not believe that he was a disciple, and they were all afraid of him.

27. Then Barnabas came to his help and took him to the apostles. He explained to them how Saul had seen the Lord on the road and that the Lord had spoken to him. He also told them how boldly Saul had preached in the name of Jesus in Damascus.

28. And so Saul stayed with them and went all over Jerusalem, preaching boldly in the name of the Lord.

In Galatians 1:11-12 Paul would later say it with his own mouth that no one (the other apostles inclusive) ever taught him the gospel. See it below:

11. Let me tell you, my friends, that the gospel I preach is not of human origin.

12. I did not receive it from any human being, nor did anyone teach it to me. It was Jesus Christ himself who revealed it to me.

All the above clearly show that you soul is lost to ignorance because you have made yourself a mental slave to some 8 manipulation and mind control experts in New York. It is still not too late to retrieve your brain from them and start reading the Bible holistically with an independent mind rather than the "Watchtower says" mindset.

Well-done Sir,God bless you!

Jethrolite:
It was not possible in my case o. At all and it wasn't funny. I even offered to convert but she said that I had to be born a witness.

This is not only an error in the body of Christ, it's a false doctrine and not scriptural. What is scriptural is a believer in Christ Jesus getting married to another believer in Christ Jesus... And not a member of the same denomination marrying.

Timossa:


This is not only an error in the body of Christ, it's a false doctrine and not scriptural. What is scriptural is a believer in Christ Jesus getting married to another believer in Christ Jesus... And not a member of the same denomination marrying.

The bottom line is BELIEVERS in Christ for sure, but there is just one group that truly believe in Christ "Jehovah's Witnesses" whoever is not a JW can't convince a member of being a believer in Christ!

TLisieux:
How do JW fund their Kingdom hall buildings and other projects? I am curious.

through there offerings & u can't see them worship in uncompleted buildings anywhere

[quote author=budusky05 post=69799337][/quote]true talk

Timossa:


This is not only an error in the body of Christ, it's a false doctrine and not scriptural. What is scriptural is a believer in Christ Jesus getting married to another believer in Christ Jesus... And not a member of the same denomination marrying.

How do you expect JWs , the true believer of Jesus Christ the son of God in heaven & earth (according to Jesus Christ himself,Revelation 3:5,12,21 and John 20:17) marry a pagan triune deity devotee who FALSELY claims that Jesus Christ is Almighty God?
JWs will not marry pagan triune deity devotees..
Can two walk together unless they agree?
Na wa you ooooo !!!!!

Deadlytruth:
The word 'Christianity' was first used by the people of Antioch to mean "Of Christ's party" in trying to describe the Apostles. The People of Antioch were not referring to a new group of believers in Jesus but to the Apostles who were part and parcel of Jesus-headed group which Jesus the head did not view as the only God approved group. So the idea that Christianity was not fully established under Jesus is as usual one of your human doctrines to validate your heresy. How could Christianity not have been fully established under its very founder who had made known the new covenant which Christianity was all about? Does that even make any sense?

Acts 2:42 does not expressly so declare. You only smuggled that into it to validate your false doctrine. This is what it says: They spent their time in learning from the apostles, taking part in the fellowship, and sharing in the fellowship meals and the prayers.
The whole passage describes a people whose physical joining of the group was not because it was a condition for being approved but because the group practised communism which was the only way nearly any believer could survive under the atmosphere of persecution of the early church by the heathen authorities. Acts 4:32-Acts 5:11. So why do JWs not now practice communism as a group in order to appear exactly like those believers?


The verses you referenced make it rather clear that Apollos already was very grounded in the scriptures and was preaching it but just that he knew only about John's baptism. However the Aquilla and Priscilla who taught him the accurate Knowledge were not members of an entirely different group which Apollos was already part of. In essence it was nembers of his own group that taught him the accurate knowledge and not that he left his group for another group which supposedly had a more correct knowledge. Appolos belonged to Paul's group which was different from Peter's group yet they were both accepted by God. And come to think of it; do you still think your organization is a right group given all that has been exposed on its very many unscriptural doctrines which are always changing? So your argument fails woefully again.
The Matthew 16:19 you referenced is as usual totally unrelated to the topic. The Romans 10:1-4 rather describes your organization as it is the one that is apparently very devoted in preaching from house to house (in total disregard for Jesus command against it) and boasting about it as a sign of being approved by making up your own standards hence lacking in true knowledge about the fact that people are put right with God through faith in Jesus and not through their own efforts or works of the hands or body (Ephesians 2:8-9... For it is by God's grace that you have been saved through faith. It is not the result of your own efforts, but God's gift, so that no one can boast about it.



Like I said and will always say; you don't really read the verses you reference.
In the whole of Acts Chapter 9, there is no single place where Jesus commanded Paul to go and learn from the apostles first. The verse 6 you quoted says: "Go into the city and you will be told what to do". You took out the the verse in isolation as usual of your manipulative organization. If you had read the later verses you would realize that Jesus was by that directive telling Paul to go into Damascus and be told how to restore his lost sight and never to be taught anything by the apostles who were rather in Jerusalem and not in Damascus. Here are the verses:
5. *Who are you, Lord?* he asked. *I am Jesus, whom you persecute,* the voice said.

6. But get up and go into the city, where you will be told what you must do.

7. The men who were traveling with Saul had stopped, not saying a word; they heard the voice but could not see anyone.

8. Saul got up from the ground and opened his eyes, but could not see a thing. So they took him by the hand and led him into Damascus.

Also, the preceeding verses record that the Ananias Paul was asked to meet was a believer in Damascus and was therefore definitely not part of the Jerusalem group of apostles. Even Ananias himself described the Jerusalem group as a separate one from the believers in Damascus.

See below:

9. For three days he was not able to see, and during that time he did not eat or drink anything.

10. There was a believer in Damascus named Ananias. He had a vision, in which the Lord said to him, *Ananias!* *Here I am, Lord,* he answered.

11. The Lord said to him, *Get ready and go to Straight Street, and at the house of Judas ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul. He is praying,

13. Ananias answered, Lord, many people have told me about this man and about all the terrible things he has done to your people in Jerusalem.

Then here is where God declared that Him alone and not any Apostle would teach Paul what to do in thereafter as regards the gospel he was just about to start spreading:

15. The Lord said to him, *Go, because I have chosen him to serve me, to make my name known to Gentiles and kings and to the people of Israel.

16. And I myself will show him all that he must suffer for my sake.*

Verse 19 also tells you there were believers in Damascus who were not part of the group in Jerusalem. It also tell you that Paul thereafter went straight to the synagogue to start preaching thus had not visited the Apostles in Jerusalem yet let alone being taught by them:

19. and after he had eaten, his strength came back. Saul stayed for a few days with the believers in Damascus.


20. He went straight to the synagogues and began to preach that Jesus was the Son of God.


22. But Saul's preaching became even more powerful, and his proofs that Jesus was the Messiah were so convincing that the Jews who lived in Damascus could not answer him.


When Paul eventually travelled to Jerusalem, the Apostles were even afraid of him but after some intervention by Barnabas, they accepted him to preach with them right away without anyone of them teaching him any damn thing:

26. Saul went to Jerusalem and tried to join the disciples. But they would not believe that he was a disciple, and they were all afraid of him.

27. Then Barnabas came to his help and took him to the apostles. He explained to them how Saul had seen the Lord on the road and that the Lord had spoken to him. He also told them how boldly Saul had preached in the name of Jesus in Damascus.

28. And so Saul stayed with them and went all over Jerusalem, preaching boldly in the name of the Lord.

In Galatians 1:11-12 Paul would later say it with his own mouth that no one (the other apostles inclusive) ever taught him the gospel. See it below:

11. Let me tell you, my friends, that the gospel I preach is not of human origin.

12. I did not receive it from any human being, nor did anyone teach it to me. It was Jesus Christ himself who revealed it to me.

All the above clearly show that you soul is lost to ignorance because you have made yourself a mental slave to some 8 manipulation and mind control experts in New York. It is still not too late to retrieve your brain from them and start reading the Bible holistically with an independent mind rather than the "Watchtower says" mindset.

Your moniker says it all... Deadlytruth= Fake, Counterfeit.
You join dey enrich the your gods of men and pastorpreneurs and you come here dey query why JWs no do "communism"?
It's no secret that JWs practice brotherly love ,non JWs envy us for that. Galatians 6:10., as the apostles did many,many centuries ago.
Go practice communism with your gods of men first, charity begins at home....

Your first and last paragraph is uncalled for because your post is littered with gross errors and inaccuracies.....
"Go into the city and you would be told what to do"....
What will Saul be told to do? Who will tell Saul?
For example, you were recruited by the Boss to work for his firm. He gave directives to the Lagos Office & sent you there to be with your new colleagues and understand how the firm performs its functions, who is training you for the tasks that you are expected to perform in the months & weeks ahead?

TATIME:
Well-done Sir,God bless you!

Deadlytruth just wan show himself,he no understand shishi. .

Janosky:

Deadlytruth just wan show himself,he no understand shishi. .

Let him go and clinch to others having the same line of thought as he does then he can continue with them as Worshipers of the same God, we don't supposed to argue endlessly with one another yet claiming members of the same household. Philippians 2:14 Titus 3:9
Whatever make us argue endlessly is a clear indication that we're not of the same sort! 1John 2:19