what's going on with andre uweh and oyinda here?

andre in particular hasnt quite been himself ever since the oyinda matter. ie the little argument over whether the name is yoruba or igbo.

[s]hope it's not your wife bearing that name?[/s]

Andre Uweh:

YES.

so why are men allowed and women not allowed? what are the reasons?

@ Andrew

no traditional Igbo woman stays outside her matrimonial home after cocks have gone to roost.

what happens if they do? any punishments?

oyinda.:

so why are men allowed and women not allowed? what are the reasons?

Women are more likely than men to be confronted with threats of assault(especially sexual). Women are more likely seen as soft targets by perpetrators of crime, with reference to the late time of the day.   
The custom is not degrading to women, neither was the OP trying to relegate women, as some of your questions seem to suggest, but is actually protective of our womenfolk.

i see. lol
thnx for the clarification


so what if a woman does leave her home after "the cock has gone to roost"? does she get punished?

So what if she takes the chickens with her to where she is going and then walks in at midnight with them in her basket. Does that still count as coming home after the chickens come home to roost. Will she get less lashes of the cane or something

Outstrip:

So what if she takes the chickens with her to where she is going and then walks in at midnight with them in her basket. Does that still count as coming home after the chickens come home to roost. Will she get less lashes of the cane or something

Maybe I'm reading too much into the above post, but. . . are you trying to be funny?

oyinda.:

i see. lol
thnx for the clarification


so what if a woman does leave her home after "the cock has gone to roost"? does she get punished?

Sometimes it does not get reported. But if reported to umunna, dates are fixed for hearing, and if found guilty, a penalty is awarded against the culprit.
During my visit to my local community over the easter period, one certain man reported his wife of all ways going out in the night to watch home videos. A date was fixed for the hearing. But before the hearing, I had gone back to my base.
You have reminded me, I have to follow up the proceedings from abroad. Oh my home Igboland, there is no place like you.

tpiah:

what's going on with andre uweh and oyinda here?

andre in particular hasnt quite been himself ever since the oyinda matter. ie the little argument over whether the name is yoruba or igbo.

[s]hope it's not your wife bearing that name?[/s]

No hostilities with any one here. As a born-again Christian, I easily forgive people.
This thread was created to discuss about the socio/cultural status of Igbo women whom I hold in high esteem.

oyinda.:

so why are men allowed and women not allowed? what are the reasons?

The same reason why there are no women popes but only male popes.

Andre Uweh:

The same reason why there are no women popes but only male popes.

and what reason is that?  why can't a woman be a pope?

Andre Uweh:

No hostilities with any one here. As a born-again Christian, I easily forgive people.

me too. I am very forgiving as you can see.

Andre Uweh:

Sometimes it does not get reported. But if reported to umunna, dates  are fixed for hearing, and if found guilty, a penalty is awarded against the culprit.
During my visit to my local community over the easter period,  one certain man reported his wife of all ways going out in the night to watch home videos. A date was fixed for the hearing. But before the hearing, I had gone back to my base.
You have reminded me, I have to follow up the proceedings from abroad. Oh my home Igboland, there is no place like you.

why should a woman be punished for choosing not to be "protected" from theft and despoil?
i put protection in quotes because it's bullshit. the whole point is to CONTROL women. not protect them. 
and it's pretty obvious. isn't it?

sounds like what u do to servants and little children. tell them what times they can leave the house and what times they have to come back.
rotflmao talk about no freedom or rights.

The Igbo women, just like the Jewish women, are the ones who teach their children Igbo culture. Some of the practices in place are being to taught to Igbo children by their mothers. That women do not plant yam and only men do in Igbo culture are some of the examples, no worries to them.
I will not rule out that the wind of change blowing from the western world to third world countries is not reaching Igboland, especially women emancipation gender equality etc.
Perhaps, in 99 years time, changes would have arrived. At the moment, majority are contented with what they have. For instance, there was a seminar of elite Igbo women organised by Prof C. Acholonu last year at Aba. At that seminar, they tried to explore reasons why men do not allow women to partake in breaking of kola nuts in Igboland.
Shortly, after this conference, there were rejoinders by Igbo women all over the media stations condemning the objectives of the meeting.

haha funny thread. Lots of weirdos lying around though

SEFAGO:

haha funny thread. Lots of weirdos lying around though

ta ni weirdos?

SEFAGO:

haha funny thread. Lots of weirdos lying around though

Monkey, common get out of here. You Yaku-keta.

tpiah:

ta ni weirdos?

iwo

Outstrip:

So what if she takes the chickens with her to where she is going and then walks in at midnight with them in her basket. Does that still count as coming home after the chickens come home to roost. Will she get less lashes of the cane or something

Roflmao!!!

Na wa o. See me thinking things like this are out of date. All the married Igbo women I know are free to stay out late. Is it a village thing?

stillwater:

Roflmao!!!

Na wa o. See me thinking things like this are out of date. All the married Igbo women I know are free to stay out late. Is it a village thing?

hahahaha Andre Uweh is just being very nostalgic about the past.

stillwater:

Roflmao!!!

Na wa o. See me thinking things like this are out of date. All the married Igbo women I know are free to stay out late. Is it a village thing?

Am glad it's only the ones you know who stay out late.
Nothwithstandingly, the Igbo society is changing as the world is changing. A lot of Igbo women now are career women and involved in jobs that make them to keep late hours. For example, some Igbo women involved in nursing professions do run different shift patterns. It could be late or night shifts and it is understandable and acceptable. But when an Igbo woman leaves her husband's house to go and watch home videos in neighbours house every night may not be acceptable. If reported, umunna will wield their powers.

igbo women are really really beauuuutiful!!

bla bla bla.

anitabest:

bla bla bla.

Ugly duckling, get out of this thread if you have nothing sensible to contribute.

Andre, are you in love with insults? Just wondering. .

ChinenyeN:

Andre, are you in love with insults? Just wondering. .

No, somebody with mere 84 posts wants to boost her post numbers by being silly.

. . . and that warrants an insult? Haha, ugly duckling. Nigerians take the simplest of terms and turn them into something funny.

Thou shall not take this thread off the track.

Oh.Kay.

The Igbo societies are not static. As the wind of change is blowing across the globe, Igboland is affected as well. Wife beating is no longer the norm now. In the past, in keeping with the Igbo view of female nature, the group allowed wife beating. According to Igbo belief. women by nature required to be tamed and streamlined by regular beating so that atmosphere at at home and outside should remain orderly. In Things fall Apart-Achebe described how Okonkwo beat his second wife for not coming home to make his meal. Though Okonkwo was punished but only because he beat her during the week of peace.

Andre Uweh:

The Igbo societies are not static. As the wind of change is blowing across the globe, Igboland is affected as well. Wife beating is no longer the norm now. In the past, in keeping with the Igbo view of female nature, the group allowed wife beating. According to Igbo belief. women by nature required to be tamed and streamlined by regular beating so that atmosphere at at home and outside should remain orderly. In Things fall Apart-Achebe described how Okonkwo beat his second wife for not coming home to make his meal. Though Okonkwo was punished but only because he beat her during the week of peace.

OK,im confused now.
Are u saying that cos Okonkwo beat his wife in Things fall apart then, it now became a norm/cultural pratice/accepted in the past for an Igbo man to beat his wife 
I heard from Nna m ochie that what they do to an erring or stubborn wife is to reject her food,quit entering her hut at night,stop giving her yam or better still give her tiny ones,refuse to mend her leaking roof,or at worst go for another wife etc .I have never heard of wife-beating 

@IFY: That elder spoke well. However you still have those who beat their wives. What am saying is that at the moment, Igbo women are more respected and the idea of wife beating has reduced drastically. Igbo women in the 21st century is not same with late 19th and early 20th century which Achebe wrote in TFA. Credit to Igbomen for their perfect understanding.

Andre Uweh:

@IFY: That elder spoke well. However you still have those who beat their wives. What am saying is that at the moment, Igbo women are more respected and the idea of wife beating has reduced drastically. Igbo women in the 21st century is not same with late 19th and early 20th century which Achebe wrote in TFA. Credit to Igbomen for their perfect understanding.

Ok,though ur first post was kind of Confusing.
I think the men that battered their wives were seen as weak men,Men who cant control their household and wives.
Dalu.