For some time now, some fellows who think they can make some of us they call 'sheeple' to stop sowing seeds or giving have been putting up videos online of pastors asking people in congregation to sow seeds, first i remember was that of Funke Adejumo, and then Biodun Fatoyinbo.

Let me spell it out first before i continue; I AM AN UNCURABLE BELIEVER IN SOWING/GIVING. NO AMOUNT OF Daddy freezes or @HopefulLandlord or @kramer can stop me from sowing to my pastors or giving to church. In fact, as i type this, i am already imagining how i will sow N100,000,000,000 into my pastor's life one day when God blesses me with that kind of money, and i will love to see daddy freeze hug a wet transformer if he is still alive by that time and he gets to hear the news!

I am a sower today and i will remain one because i have seen results. Only a fool would have seen the kind of results i saw from sowing/giving to God and still think it doesnt work. I cannot list all the results cos there is no time to start typing everything here, but i will list just a few to help a few people who are genuinely seeking the truth;

1) In 2004, i was still in university and i had a General Studies course that i had taken in 2nd year, and, i failed it. This was a very simple course that i had read for and was actually expecting at least a B, but result came out and i saw F. i was heart broken and put myself together and decided to take it again in 3rd year. by the time i was in 4th year, results had come out for the exam i re-took in 3rd year, and i still saw an F again. I was mad this time around and i just couldnt understand why such a simple-looking course would be giving me an F when i'd been getting As in much more difficult courses. At this point i told myself i was never going to resit that course again (afterall, what is the guarantee that reading well and resitting it again like other time would make any difference with the same lecturer?). But then i remembered that talk is cheap, and if i was ever going to graduate with my mates, i had to pass this course. So i decided to do something out of the ordinary to create an out of the ordinary result for me in this condition.

Fortunately for me, one of my uncles that lived abroad at that time had just sent me around $200 via western union about a day or two before this result came out, and i decided to put the principle of sowing to test. I prayed and told God i did not want to retake this exam again. I paid my tithe from the money and took out $80(i can't remember precisely, but i think that was the exact amount i took out for the seed), put it in an envelope and went to my pastor. I told him i just came to sow a seed, and i didn't even mention the exact reason why i was sowing the seed to him, i just told him i was going to sow a seed and he should pray for me. He prayed for me there and told God to bless me. The next day after sowing the seed, i took a step of faith and decided to go meet the lecturer and tell him i needed to have my result changed (sounds crazy, huh? you better don't try such a move except you know who is backing you!).

I walked into the lecturer's office, and greeted him, he asked me who i was and what i wanted. i told him i was one of his students in 2nd year that took his course but failed it, and i took it in 3rd yr again and just saw F again in the results he released a few days ago, but that I CANNOT TAKE THE COURSE AGAIN. The man was taken aback, and for a moment he was probably trying to wonder who this 'little boy' was, who had the audacity to walk into his office and tell him he failed his course and wanted his result changed because HE COULD NOT TAKE THE EXAM AGAIN.

next thing, the man begins to question me, he asks me who i am, i told him. asked me my course of study, where i come from, who my parents are, i told him (and of course, my parents were 'nobody'). he asked me what church my parents attend, and before i knew it, we were having an interesting conversation and laughing. By the time we finished, the man frankly told me that he had already sent the results to Exams & Records, so that there is nothing he can do about it, if he hadn't sent it, maybe something could have been done. I looked at him and told him 'Sir, i can't take that exam again'. He then told me 'ok....you can go. come back and see me next week'.

Exactly one week later, i went back to his office. he didnt recognise me when i walked in and so he asked me again that who am i and what can he do for me. I reminded him that i was the student who came last week and told him about his course i faild and cannot take again. He quickly remembered and mentioned my name, and he then told me ''ok...you can go, i have taken care of it''. I then tried to ask him what my new grade was, but he refused to tell me. he just told me ''go, don't worry about it''.

At this point, i didn't know if i should believe him or not, cos if he was deceiving me, it means i will only get to find out when they release final year list of graduating students and my name is not there. but then i remembered the seed i sowed and that my faith was in God.

Guess what? I didn't find out what the man did until after i saw my name on the list of final year students graduating! When i later went to collect my transcript from the school, i saw the man had changed my result to a C.

All of this happened without the man knowing me before. I did not bribe him. God just remembered my seed and did themiracle for me

PS Note: Before you start asking God for this kind of academic miracle, make sure you have not been cheating in exams and you had done your best to study before the exams! I never cheated in any exam throughout my university days from year 1 to year 5. Cos you cannot be living in wilful sin and be expecting God to answer you and your seed! God wants your life first before he can accept your seed.

Many more examples i can give later. but no time for now

It's your life.

RuthlessLeader:
It's your life.

Thank you! Continue with your own stingy life as you please. Giving and sowing works for me, and will always work. You and daddy freeze can only deceive those who haven't experienced it. One million of you combined cannot make me stop when I've already seen the proofs over and over again!

nelsonoba:


Thank you! Continue with your own stingy life as you please. Giving and sowing works for me, and will always work. You and daddy freeze can only deceive those who haven't experienced it. One million of you combined cannot make me stop when I've already seen the proofs over and over again!

Okay bro. I love being stingy with my money.

RuthlessLeader:
It's your life.

You made this simple comment see his reply. That means in his heart he's beginning to doubt the so called power of seeds and tithes he just needs people like him to convince him that he's right.



OP am happy for you. Your god ignored all the millions of starving kids prayers and answered yours because you could sow dollars.
What a merciful god.

spongeisback:



You made this simple comment see his reply. That means in his heart he's beginning to doubt the so called power of seeds and tithes he just needs people like him to convince him that he's right.



OP am happy for you. Your god ignored all the millions of starving kids prayers and answered yours because you could sow dollars.
What a merciful god.

This might make you sad, but I have to say it; GOD DOES NOT NEED YOUR APPROVAL TO KNOW HE IS MERCIFUL. THE ONLY PROOF WE ALL NEED TO KNOW THAT HE IS MERCIFUL IS THE FACT THAT HE HASN'T TURNED OFF HIS FREE OXYGEN SUPPLY TO YOU THAT YOU HAVE BEEN WASTING IN YOUR UNGRATEFULNESS TO HIM. I DON'T NEED ANY OTHER PROOF TO KNOW HE IS MERCIFUL!

spongeisback:



You made this simple comment see his reply. That means in his heart he's beginning to doubt the so called power of seeds and tithes he just needs people like him to convince him that he's right.



OP am happy for you. Your god ignored all the millions of starving kids prayers and answered yours because you could sow dollars.
What a merciful god.

lol.. of course christians like Leah, who is currently in the hands of bokoharam deserve suffering because they dont pay their tithe. All those kids who are born with brain tumor should suffer because they dont pay their tithe. the op has a big God who will rather convince a lecturer to change his scores to C than help innocent kids starving and suffering from one ailment or the other.

Op if i start giving u exampls of some life progress I have made despite not giving tithe will that convince you not to give tithe?

oga, if u like give all your life saving to ur pastor.. its ur life. Just dont sell such bullshit to my household.

nelsonoba:


This might make you sad, but I have to say it; GOD DOES NOT NEED YOUR APPROVAL TO KNOW HE IS MERCIFUL. THE ONLY PROOF WE ALL NEED TO KNOW THAT HE IS MERCIFUL IS THE FACT THAT HE HASN'T TURNED OFF HIS FREE OXYGEN SUPPLY TO YOU THAT YOU HAVE BEEN WASTING IN YOUR UNGRATEFULNESS TO HIM. I DON'T NEED ANY OTHER PROOF TO KNOW HE IS MERCIFUL!

PS: your God does not have the ability to turn of any oxygen supply to earth or to any human. Oxygen have been around before you were born and will remain even after u die. Your God lives only in ur head, what is merciful about a being stuck in ur head?

frank317:


PS: your God does not have the ability to turn of any oxygen supply to earth or to any human. Oxygen have been around before you were born and will remain even after u die. Your God lives only in ur head, what is merciful about a being stuck in ur head?

You see, when I was young and used to read where the bible says in psalms 14:1 "the fool says in his heart that there is no God......", I used to think that was a harsh statement of some sort, but as I grew older I started to realise it's just a statement of fact.

What do we think of a man who sees a newspaper, and simply because he did not witness the printing of the paper, he then concludes that the newspaper created itself.....as in the newspaper he is reading just appeared from nowhere and by coincidence all the intelligent information in the newspaper appeared out of nothing? We would say that man "has lost it" or that he is fool.

Have you ever heard of DNA? Scientists call it "the book of life". It contains coherent, intelligent information that defines the make up of every living thing. The age at which you grow beards is coded in your DNA, what your eye colour would be is coded in your DNA. The manner in which your skin heals when you sustain an injury is coded in your DNA. Everything about your body including your height, etc are all coded in your DNA.

Being a programmer myself, I can appreciate the fact that no computer code has ever written itself, and any time I look at a code, I can see the intelligence of the programmer behind it. When I think of DNA, it makes me realise that the complexity and intelligence of the information contained within it could never have happened by accident. An intelligent being did it.

That leaves me to conclude that it must really take a fool to conclude that there is no God! Either the person is a big fool or the person actually knows the truth but is a pretender who denies the truth to give justification for his sinful life of which he does not want to repent.

It will do you more good to study more about DNA for yourself and tell me how all those intelligence came from 'nothing'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0EEKfTnfvA

frank317:


lol.. of course christians like Leah, who is currently in the hands of bokoharam deserve suffering because they dont pay their tithe. All those kids who are born with brain tumor should suffer because they dont pay their tithe. the op has a big God who will rather convince a lecturer to change his scores to C than help innocent kids starving and suffering from one ailment or the other.

Op if i start giving u exampls of some life progress I have made despite not giving tithe will that convince you not to give tithe?

oga, if u like give all your life saving to ur pastor.. its ur life. Just dont sell such bullshit to my household.

Let me put it clear to you; you have not made any lasting progress and you cannot without Christ!

Yahoo Yahoo boy's that use human beings for sacrifice also think they are making progress just like you have deceived yourself to think. Dani Abacha thought he was also making progress until his day of reckoning arrived, so don't threaten anybody with your so-called progress made outside Christ. No wonder Jesus said "what will it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul?" He was referring to people like you who think progress is about making money without God.

As for those suffering people you mentioned, why would God come down to help them when they don't ask for him to do so or have the faith to believe God? If things ever worked that way, by now you would have been a stronger Christian than me because God would have come down to force his help on you against your will. Think before you accuse the Almighty Wise God that you HATE!

nelsonoba:
For some time now, some fellows who think they can make some of us they call 'sheeple' to stop sowing seeds or giving have been putting up videos online of pastors asking people in congregation to sow seeds, first i remember was that of Funke Adejumo, and then Biodun Fatoyinbo.



Many more examples i can give later. but no time for now

It's not surprising to hear that from the same set of people that defended MMM with their lives.

nelsonoba:
For some time now, some fellows who think they can make some of us they call 'sheeple' to stop sowing seeds or giving have been putting up videos online of pastors asking people in congregation to sow seeds, first i remember was that of Funke Adejumo, and then Biodun Fatoyinbo.

Let me spell it out first before i continue; I AM AN UNCURABLE BELIEVER IN SOWING/GIVING. NO AMOUNT OF Daddy freezes or @HopefulLandlord or @kramer can stop me from sowing to my pastors or giving to church. In fact, as i type this, i am already imagining how i will sow N100,000,000,000 into my pastor's life one day when God blesses me with that kind of money, and i will love to see daddy freeze hug a wet transformer if he is still alive by that time and he gets to hear the news!

I am a sower today and i will remain one because i have seen results. Only a fool would have seen the kind of results i saw from sowing/giving to God and still think it doesnt work. I cannot list all the results cos there is no time to start typing everything here, but i will list just a few to help a few people who are genuinely seeking the truth;

1) In 2004, i was still in university and i had a General Studies course that i had taken in 2nd year, and, i failed it. This was a very simple course that i had read for and was actually expecting at least a B, but result came out and i saw F. i was heart broken and put myself together and decided to take it again in 3rd year. by the time i was in 4th year, results had come out for the exam i re-took in 3rd year, and i still saw an F again. I was mad this time around and i just couldnt understand why such a simple-looking course would be giving me an F when i'd been getting As in much more difficult courses. At this point i told myself i was never going to resit that course again (afterall, what is the guarantee that reading well and resitting it again like other time would make any difference with the same lecturer?). But then i remembered that talk is cheap, and if i was ever going to graduate with my mates, i had to pass this course. So i decided to do something out of the ordinary to create an out of the ordinary result for me in this condition.

Fortunately for me, one of my uncles that lived abroad at that time had just sent me around $200 via western union about a day or two before this result came out, and i decided to put the principle of sowing to test. I prayed and told God i did not want to retake this exam again. I paid my tithe from the money and took out $80(i can't remember precisely, but i think that was the exact amount i took out for the seed), put it in an envelope and went to my pastor. I told him i just came to sow a seed, and i didn't even mention the exact reason why i was sowing the seed to him, i just told him i was going to sow a seed and he should pray for me. He prayed for me there and told God to bless me. The next day after sowing the seed, i took a step of faith and decided to go meet the lecturer and tell him i needed to have my result changed (sounds crazy, huh? you better don't try such a move except you know who is backing you!).

I walked into the lecturer's office, and greeted him, he asked me who i was and what i wanted. i told him i was one of his students in 2nd year that took his course but failed it, and i took it in 3rd yr again and just saw F again in the results he released a few days ago, but that I CANNOT TAKE THE COURSE AGAIN. The man was taken aback, and for a moment he was probably trying to wonder who this 'little boy' was, who had the audacity to walk into his office and tell him he failed his course and wanted his result changed because HE COULD NOT TAKE THE EXAM AGAIN.

next thing, the man begins to question me, he asks me who i am, i told him. asked me my course of study, where i come from, who my parents are, i told him (and of course, my parents were 'nobody'). he asked me what church my parents attend, and before i knew it, we were having an interesting conversation and laughing. By the time we finished, the man frankly told me that he had already sent the results to Exams & Records, so that there is nothing he can do about it, if he hadn't sent it, maybe something could have been done. I looked at him and told him 'Sir, i can't take that exam again'. He then told me 'ok....you can go. come back and see me next week'.

Exactly one week later, i went back to his office. he didnt recognise me when i walked in and so he asked me again that who am i and what can he do for me. I reminded him that i was the student who came last week and told him about his course i faild and cannot take again. He quickly remembered and mentioned my name, and he then told me ''ok...you can go, i have taken care of it''. I then tried to ask him what my new grade was, but he refused to tell me. he just told me ''go, don't worry about it''.

At this point, i didn't know if i should believe him or not, cos if he was deceiving me, it means i will only get to find out when they release final year list of graduating students and my name is not there. but then i remembered the seed i sowed and that my faith was in God.

Guess what? I didn't find out what the man did until after i saw my name on the list of final year students graduating! When i later went to collect my transcript from the school, i saw the man had changed my result to a C.

All of this happened without the man knowing me before. I did not bribe him. God just remembered my seed and did themiracle for me

PS Note: Before you start asking God for this kind of academic miracle, make sure you have not been cheating in exams and you had done your best to study before the exams! I never cheated in any exam throughout my university days from year 1 to year 5. Cos you cannot be living in wilful sin and be expecting God to answer you and your seed! God wants your life first before he can accept your seed.

Many more examples i can give later. but no time for now

All this talk of sowing! sowing! sowing! Are you a tailor ni? Lol.

Anyway, I couldn't read all your write up sorry, but one thing I could clearly tell from your message is that you like money and you're more concerned about what you get from God (through sowing seeds) than worshipping and praising God himself which is our main purpose.

It is also obvious from your write up that you are, in some way, linked to the church otherwise you won't be wasting your time posting a long essay. So it's either you're jobless or this sowing thing is touching your income

I'm still waiting for that Bible passage about the feeding of 5000 and sowing. This is the 5th time asking.

As always my brother..

A stupid man can't be corrected. His stupidity follows him to the grave.

kramer:


All this talk of sowing! sowing! sowing! Are you a tailor ni? Lol.

Anyway, I couldn't read all your write up sorry, but one thing I could clearly tell from your message is that you like money and you're more concerned about what you get from God (through sowing seeds) than worshipping and praising God himself which is our main purpose.

It is also obvious from your write up that you are, in some way, linked to the church otherwise you won't be wasting your time posting a long essay. So it's either you're jobless or this sowing thing is touching your income

I'm still waiting for that Bible passage about the feeding of 5000 and sowing. This is the 5th time asking.

As always my brother..

Lol! I like money but I DON'T LOVE MONEY. That is why money is a servant to me and not my master. This is the reason I can freely give out money. But you, money is your master and that is why you can't freely give it out, and it pains your body if you have to give out money. No wonder Jesus said "ye cannot serve two masters at the same time, you cannot serve God and money"!

When money stops being your Master, you will become free that day and giving out money will become a normal thing to you.

For your information, I am not a Pastor and I am never planning to open a church. I am just a born again Christian who believes everything God commands in the bible for Christians to do including paying tithes and sowing. That is the major difference between me and you.

ponziponzi:


It's not surprising to hear that from the same set of people that defended MMM with their lives.

I wonder where you get your fake news from!

FYI me man, I never participated in MMM, and as a matter of fact, I warned all my friends who participated and were trying to make me join!

Summary: Dude bribed god with $80(about N30 000) to upgrade his result from an F to an ordinary C not even A This kind god sef, na so so wonder!

spongeisback:



You made this simple comment see his reply. That means in his heart he's beginning to doubt the so called power of seeds and tithes he just needs people like him to convince him that he's right.



OP am happy for you. Your god ignored all the millions of starving kids prayers and answered yours because you could sow dollars.
What a merciful god.

This is so apt!

kevoh:
Summary: Dude bribed god with $80(about N30 000) to upgrade his result from an F to an ordinary C not even A This kind god sef, na so so wonder!

Lol!

kevoh:
Summary: Dude bribed god with $80(about N30 000) to upgrade his result from an F to an ordinary C not even A This kind god sef, na so so wonder!

Guy, call it anything you want. The important thing is that it worked! You must be very jealous of the fact that my God responds to me when I desperately need him, while Lucifer who you worship without knowing cannot help you, but is only interested in luring you to a life of sin after which he will dump you in hell at the end of your life if you refuse to repent. Can't you see that even your circle of friends are like Lucifer? You can't even boast of one friend who truly loves you and can give up everything if that is what it will cost them to see you saved? Friends that will not mind spending their money to buy beer for you and help you commit sin, but when you are faced with real issues of life that makes you lose what you have, they will run away or start treating you like thrash. That's why I keep telling people like you that you can never find genuine love outside Christ, but no! You think you are smart and wiser than God

kevoh:
Summary: Dude bribed god with $80(about N30 000) to upgrade his result from an F to an ordinary C not even A This kind god sef, na so so wonder!

Guy, call it anything you want. The important thing is that it worked! You must be very jealous of the fact that my God responds to me when I desperately need him, while Lucifer who you worship without knowing cannot help you, but is only interested in luring you to a life of sin after which he will dump you in hell at the end of your life if you refuse to repent. Can't you see that even your circle of friends are like Lucifer? You can't even boast of one friend who truly loves you and can give up everything if that is what it will cost them to see you saved? Friends that will not mind spending their money to buy beer for you and help you commit sin, but when you are faced with real issues of life that makes you lose what you have, they will run away or start treating you like thrash. That's why I keep telling people like you that you can never find genuine love outside Christ, but no! You think you are smart and wiser than God

Take for instance that @hopefulLandlord guy who is supporting you here and forming kporakpor with you, but his heart is empty of love. The guy has no love to give any so called friend of his. He is one of those who will hail you here, but if he meets you tomorrow in a desperate situation that will cost him a lot to help you, he will start avoiding you. It's simply because he is a hater of God and he is stingy(which happens to be one of the reasons it pains him when he hears of people like me sowing or giving to God). But you see all of you here that it pains to hear we sow seed, especially you that it is painting so much that I SOWED $80 as seed while a student, you had better go and start arranging your wet transformer you are going to hug when I start sowing in millions of dollars one day by God's grace. Nonsense! Una never see anything!

This OP's logic makes me laugh.

Applying the same, I can also prove that tithing, seed sowing, etc. does not work.

In my final year in the university, that's second semester, I didn't take the examination for a particular course and I wrote "rubbish" for another, yet, I graduated with a second class upper division.

Breakdown.

One of my lecturers was notorious for copying past questions. Some times, these past questions would not even be in his course material. So, to pass his course, you needed not to read course materials, just study some of his past questions.

Final year second semester was my first time of taking this man's course and I didn't know his modus operandi.

During exam period, I was busy reading the man's course material while my classmates were studying past questions. On the exam day, the man lifted a past question that had nothing to do with his course material. I was devastated. I didn't write anything. In fact, I used intuition to just scribble a fee things together and submitted my script.

On another occasion, it was second to my last degree exam. Barely had the exam started when a classmate asked me for something. The lecturer in charge of the course accused us of conversing in an exam hall and seized our scripts. Not only did he seize our scripts, but he also subtracted 25 marks from our nonexistent scores. This means that even if we had gotten any scores in the CA (continuous assessment), 25 marks would be deducted from it as well.

This particular lecturer was a "no nonsense" man, so begging was out of the options. My friend and I went home.

These experiences made me think I was going to get an extra year. However, to my utmost surprise, my name was published in the list of graduating students and guess what? I made 2.1 despite being an atheist who didn't pray nor pay tithe or offering.

After graduation, I engaged my skills and started making money immediately. Most of my tithe paying and seed sowing friends are still jobless up to today. Some are taking ₦30k N power allowance. In fact, on Sunday, I sent money to one. He had been stranded in Ibadan where he went for a job interview.

So, your logic is useless and shouldn't be presented in the council of intellectuals.

nelsonoba:

Take for instance that @hopefulLandlord guy who is supporting you here and forming kporakpor with you, but his heart is empty of love. The guy has no love to give any so called friend of his. He is one of those who will hail you here, but if he meets you tomorrow in a desperate situation that will cost him a lot to help you, he will start avoiding you.

We have a mind reader here

nelsonoba:


Lol! I like money but I DON'T LOVE MONEY. That is why money is a servant to me and not my master. This is the reason I can freely give out money. But you, money is your master and that is why you can't freely give it out, and it pains your body if you have to give out money. No wonder Jesus said "ye cannot serve two masters at the same time, you cannot serve God and money"!

When money stops being your Master, you will become free that day and giving out money will become a normal thing to you.

For your information, I am not a Pastor and I am never planning to open a church. I am just a born again Christian who believes everything God commands in the bible for Christians to do including paying tithes and sowing. That is the major difference between me and you.

Lool, I like you.. you are funny.

Whether you or your brethrens seed or not is none of my business really. Your prosperity/reward (or lack of it) doesn't put food on my table. My problem with your kind is the blatant bastardization and manipulation of the Bible in order deceive those that do not know any better.

I especially detest people who worship and praise their pastors/MOG but forget that God should be their main attention not man. Unless otherwise explicitly commanded by God of course. Btw, read the verse regarding Elijah again and you will see that God had "commanded" the widow to give. She had no choice.

As before, I await the reference to sowing in regards to the feeding of 5000. 6th time I'm requesting this.

Op is angry, he's probably a pastor that has started losing tithe customers

Mtcheww.... How we go take know? Show us receipt or keep quiet!!!

nelsonoba:


Guy, call it anything you want. The important thing is that it worked! You must be very jealous of the fact that my God responds to me when I desperately need him,

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You got jokes. Let me patronize you. Can we put that to test on this thread ?

nelsonoba:


You see, when I was young and used to read where the bible says in psalms 14:1 "the fool says in his heart that there is no God......", I used to think that was a harsh statement of some sort, but as I grew older I started to realise it's just a statement of fact.

is that so? ok

What do we think of a man who sees a newspaper, and simply because he did not witness the printing of the paper, he then concludes that the newspaper created itself.....as in the newspaper he is reading just appeared from nowhere and by coincidence all the intelligent information in the newspaper appeared out of nothing? We would say that man "has lost it" or that he is fool.

of course,if the man cant figure out how the newspaper came to be, he should conclude that the newspaper was written by the oracle in his village and ask anyone who doubts this silly conclusion to prove it.

Have you ever heard of DNA? Scientists call it "the book of life". It contains coherent, intelligent information that defines the make up of every living thing. The age at which you grow beards is coded in your DNA, what your eye colour would be is coded in your DNA. The manner in which your skin heals when you sustain an injury is coded in your DNA. Everything about your body including your height, etc are all coded in your DNA.

and scientists got this info by reading the bible and believing in a jewish mountain God.

Being a programmer myself, I can appreciate the fact that no computer code has ever written itself, and any time I look at a code, I can see the intelligence of the programmer behind it. When I think of DNA, it makes me realise that the complexity and intelligence of the information contained within it could never have happened by accident. An intelligent being did it.

Good for you, mr programmer, who wrote the code of this your even more complex creator... what do you even know about his his system was coded?

That leaves me to conclude that it must really take a fool to conclude that there is no God! Either the person is a big fool or the person actually knows the truth but is a pretender who denies the truth to give justification for his sinful life of which he does not want to repent.

you have said absolutely nothing above, yet u are quickly to shout fool. continue

It will do you more good to study more about DNA for yourself and tell me how all those intelligence came from 'nothing'

You are the one claiming intelligence came from nothing not me... or is your God not intelligent?

nelsonoba:

Nelsonoba, I don't have any problem with giving. You can give money to anyone you want to bless. Both the rich and the poor if you have the money.

But I just want to ask a simple question please. If your pastor starts saying things like:
"Nelson I want you to sow a seed of N1M(a fixed amount) so that God will bless you with a good JOB in Australia" or "Nelson if you don't sow a seed of N500k(a fixed amount) you will not make heaven"

Will you go ahead and give your pastor the money. Just a honestly question please?

nelsonoba:



Let me put it clear to you; you have not made any lasting progress and you cannot without Christ!

I am above your God. I know this is hard to believe.

Yahoo Yahoo boy's that use human beings for sacrifice also think they are making progress just like you have deceived yourself to think. Dani Abacha thought he was also making progress until his day of reckoning arrived, so don't threaten anybody with your so-called progress made outside Christ. No wonder Jesus said "what will it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul?" He was referring to people like you who think progress is about making money without God.

Just like pastor Monroe was making progress until his day of reckoning. Stop decievin yourself. There is not difference between yahoo boys and all your thieving pastors. And what exactly do u mean by the day of reckoning here.

As for those suffering people you mentioned, why would God come down to help them when they don't ask for him to do so or have the faith to believe God? If things ever worked that way, by now you would have been a stronger Christian than me because God would have come down to force his help on you against your will. Think before you accuse the Almighty Wise God that you HATE!

Yessssss! why will God help infant kids with life threatening illness when she didnt pray. The child deserves noting but death.
Why should God held a five year old being molested by a 40 years old man, she didnt ask God for help so therefor she be molested over and over again.
why shouldnt God help change your F to C.... you gave God some money.... All praise to Almigthy and merciful God.

nelsonoba:


Can't you see that even your circle of friends are like Lucifer? You can't even boast of one friend who truly loves you and can give up everything if that is what it will cost them to see you saved?

Hahaha! Let me patronize you once again. And this friend of yours happen to be the ghost of some Jewish carpenter who died in faraway Israel. Wonderful!

nelsonoba:


Friends that will not mind spending their money to buy beer for you and help you commit sin,

I hardly smoke nor drink, you are on a roll Sir we probably might give you Comedian and Liar of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. Since you stay with me and know so much about my personal life. (Sarcasm intended)

nelsonoba:


but when you are faced with real issues of life that makes you lose what you have, they will run away or start treating you like thrash.

Is that all? How does this preclude your god from, let's say, doing an actual miracle like regrowing an amputee's limb? How does this stop him from the providing food to the millions of starving children in Africa that die everyday from Hunger?

nelsonoba:


That's why I keep telling people like you that you can never find genuine love outside Christ, but no!

Once upon a time people kept telling themselves that the earth was flat whereas the earth never was. Suicide Bombers keep telling themselves that they are doing the right thing killing people. There's nothing wrong if a group of people also called Christians do not believe they can not experience love

nelsonoba:
You think you are smart and wiser than God

Please which God are you talking about? Is it the one you have not shown/proven to exist? You have to prove first, then we can measure his smart assness /wisdom.

kramer:


Lool, I like you.. you are funny.

Whether you or your brethrens seed or not is none of my business really. Your prosperity/reward (or lack of it) doesn't put food on my table. My problem with your kind is the blatant bastardization and manipulation of the Bible in order deceive those that do not know any better.

I especially detest people who worship and praise their pastors/MOG but forget that God should be their main attention not man. Unless otherwise explicitly commanded by God of course. Btw, read the verse regarding Elijah again and you will see that God had "commanded" the widow to give. She had no choice.

As before, I await the reference to sowing in regards to the feeding of 5000. 6th time I'm requesting this.

my point is - were you there to know if God told some of those pastors to ask congregation to sow or not? Are you angel Gabriel for you to determine who is receiving message from God or not?

God told Elijah to go cos he had commanded a widow to feed him, but as at when Elijah was speaking to the widow and asking her to bring the only food she has for him to eat first before her and her son, did it look to you like the woman was aware of what was going on? If the widow already had the voice of God telling her directly to feed Elijah, then would she have been telling Elijah that she doesn't have anything except a little flour and oil she wanted to make for her son and herself so they could eat and starve to death afterwards? God told Elijah he was going to command the widow to feed him because that widow was a giver and she had the heart to give, so God could trust her to not reject Elijah's instruction to provide for him. If it were people like you that Elijah had told to sow that kind of seed with your last food, you would have called him a fake prophet and said that if he was a true prophet, he would have seen it to know that you didn't have anything tangible to sow into his life. And i'm sure if God had even spoken to you to sow, you would have started rebuking God and saying it's the devil speaking to you, maybe even going as far as binding and casting 'every evil spirit that is asking you to give out your last food to a prophet'.


Note: Just as Jesus gave the parable of the sower and talked about seeds that fell on the wrong places instead of fertile soil, and how those seeds did not survive, I want you to note that in as much as I am a giver and unrepentant sower, I DO NOT SOW INTO EVERY PASTOR'S LIFE. I ONLY SOW INTO THE LIVES OF GENUINE MEN OF GOD. My pastor has proven to be a genuine man of God who would speak the truth to us including tithing and non-tithing related matters in the bible. He preaches prosperity as much as he preaches holiness and sanctification, and that is why I do not look back when i am sowing!

Just before i go, i want to drop something that will give you more heart attack when you read it. Among the several seeds and giving i've done this year alone, one of them was in June when i heard my Pastor was going to pay his house rent, and i quickly withdrew N223k(two hundred and twenty-three thousand naira) and transferred to his account to add to what he will use and pay his rent. That is just one of the seeds i sowed this year. I just mentioned it for you to hear it that i sowed that kind of seed to my pastor for it to PEPPER YOU VERY WELL! I can imagine you having nightmares this night and being unable to sleep as you keep thinking how a church member sowed N223k to a pastor. And the only reason i don't want to mention more seeds that i've sown here is only for the fact that i don't want to start publicising everything i did for God. But trust me when i say that if i wanted to start talking everything, you will probably be rushed to hospital for massive heart attack or even stroke after reading half of my list.

But i hope the only one i mentioned now PEPPERS YOU VERY WELL.