JeromeBlack:

Why must I go to the village to verify that juju exists? Is juju afraid of the city and civilization? I do not need to go to the village to get traditional Yoruba food, so why do I then need to go to the village to verify Juju?

Ijebu is a town, not a village. Instead of trying hard to hide behind "why must I go to the village to verify?" then kuku stop making silly claims, rather admit you don't and strive to know.

We have people using it in modern city. No doubt, only that it's not rampant because people are scared of the evil attached to it. And as well, we have religious people in the city, and you'll agree with me that both most popular religion in Nigeria forbids juju, hence it's not rampant in the city unlike in the village where they are still attached to the ATR.

And what do your juju priests do? If they have power, why are they always broke and haggard?

You are sounding unintelligent now. Juju isn't a yardstick for being rich, basically because there are lots of evil attached to it. You cannot get something from the devil without preparing to face the consequence, these priests understand it quite well, the more reason why they hardly engage in money rituals for themselves. They do it for the desperate one looking forward quick money, example are those engaging in Yahoo+.
Juju is not also for money rituals alone, there are other things they use juju for. For you to understand and get a first hand experience of its efficacy, give a try to what I told you.

The yahoo+++ that you talk about does not need jazz.

What nonsense? Do you have any one that's into it and he told you it's doesn't need jazz? Why is is plus then?
Plus, I've seen a young guy of maybe 24years or less that uses a venza. We were in the pool and when I was done going home, he was going to take something in booth, as I was passing right behind him while he was opening his booth, I saw a small calabash wrapped with a red cloth. Although this is not enough to say he's into plus, nevertheless this us an indication.

Just because the victim of a scam is gullible , it does not mean that the victim was jazzed or bewitched. In fact, when white people catch these Yahoo boys, the dont employ juju priests to capture them. The use simple logic and police work to catch them.

Don't get me wrong. There's is Yahoo and then there's Yahoo+. You think they added + to the latter for the fun of it? Think again.

Shelumiel:
What fact ? Does fact finding come from reading stupid books and coming to a conclusion ...mtchww

The books that you are crying about can be challenged and investigated. An author's premise and ideas are then in black and white.

All that juju nonsense that you defend is not in the open domain for anyone to verify or investigate - that is the essence of fact finding.

mmsen:


The books that you are crying about can be challenged and investigated. An author's premise and ideas are then in black and white.

All that juju nonsense that you defend is not in the open domain for anyone to verify or investigate - that is the essence of fact finding.

Juju can be investigated; it just depends on you the inquirer .Juju is open to those who thirst for knowledge, not skeptics who rant theories here and there to make themselves feel significant.

JeromeBlack:


Bro, your questions are getting personal.

Accept my apologies if I was too personal but I was just been curious as to know how you were able to cope with your immediate family with a sudden change in religious beliefs. Some people will think one is mentally deranged to say things contrary to what they have been believing..

Rilwayne001:

Ijebu is a town, not a village. Instead of trying hard to hide behind "why must I go to the village to verify?" then kuku stop making silly claims, rather admit you don't and strive to know.

We have people using it in modern city. No doubt, only that it's not rampant because people are scared of the evil attached to it. And as well, we have religious people in the city, and you'll agree with me that both most popular religion in Nigeria forbids juju, hence it's not rampant in the city unlike in the village where they are still attached to the ATR.


You are sounding unintelligent now. Juju isn't a yardstick for being rich, basically because there are lots of evil attached to it. You cannot get something from the devil without preparing to face the consequence, these priests understand it quite well, the more reason why they hardly engage in money rituals for themselves. They do it for the desperate one looking forward quick money, example are those engaging in Yahoo+.
Juju is not also for money rituals alone, there are other things they use juju for. For you to understand and get a first hand experience of its efficacy, give a try to what I told you.



What nonsense? Do you have any one that's into it and he told you it's doesn't need jazz? Why is is plus then?
Plus, I've seen a young guy of maybe 24years or less that uses a venza. We were in the pool and when I was done going home, he was going to take something in booth, as I was passing right behind him while he was opening his booth, I saw a small calabash wrapped with a red cloth. Although this is not enough to say he's into plus, nevertheless this us an indication.



Don't get me wrong. There's is Yahoo and then there's Yahoo+. You think they added + to the latter for the fun of it? Think again.

I have been reading your comments but must confess that you are the one trying too hard to make sense out of nonsense. You should stop all your Nollywood mentality it is affecting your mental well-being. Juju keeps on getting real because of the people like you who buy everything at face value. It is all hoax.

Omooba224:
Accept my apologies if I was too personal but I was just been curious as to know how you were able to cope with your immediate family with a sudden change in religious beliefs. Some people will think one is mentally deranged to say things contrary to what they have been believing..

No worries. It is difficult to cope with a religious family if you're an atheist. But if you slowly introduce them to it, you will find that one or two of them will be sympathetic to your cause.

Rilwayne001:

Ijebu is a town, not a village. Instead of trying hard to hide behind "why must I go to the village to verify?" then kuku stop making silly claims, rather admit you don't and strive to know.

We have people using it in modern city. No doubt, only that it's not rampant because people are scared of the evil attached to it. And as well, we have religious people in the city, and you'll agree with me that both most popular religion in Nigeria forbids juju, hence it's not rampant in the city unlike in the village where they are still attached to the ATR.


You are sounding unintelligent now. Juju isn't a yardstick for being rich, basically because there are lots of evil attached to it. You cannot get something from the devil without preparing to face the consequence, these priests understand it quite well, the more reason why they hardly engage in money rituals for themselves. They do it for the desperate one looking forward quick money, example are those engaging in Yahoo+.
Juju is not also for money rituals alone, there are other things they use juju for. For you to understand and get a first hand experience of its efficacy, give a try to what I told you.



What nonsense? Do you have any one that's into it and he told you it's doesn't need jazz? Why is is plus then?
Plus, I've seen a young guy of maybe 24years or less that uses a venza. We were in the pool and when I was done going home, he was going to take something in booth, as I was passing right behind him while he was opening his booth, I saw a small calabash wrapped with a red cloth. Although this is not enough to say he's into plus, nevertheless this us an indication.



Don't get me wrong. There's is Yahoo and then there's Yahoo+. You think they added + to the latter for the fun of it? Think again.

I I too have watched this Nollywood movie

Shelumiel:
Put your westernized beliefs aside and face the reality : this is Africa; and there is God and there is juju (fact). If you like , don't believe God , but it is compulsory to believe juju because we live with it here . Juju is the opposite of God ; and if you believe in juju, then you must believe in God

What is the difference between God and juju? Juju the opposite of God? Does that mean there are 2 gods with equal and opposite power

Can you explain how these 2 powers came to be..

I want to understand how you came to this conclusion.. Because I have always thought we live in a UNIverse, never knew it was a DUOverse.

Freethinker, lol. Sounds like freedom from slavery. Yuk!

buda became a thinker as soon as buda became conscious and it was early before anyone had an opportunity to enslave buda thinking. There was buda two year buda sister and buda was split two aware happened, the reduction in personal resources. Ma nurse pa lawyer so time that was short got shorter by half. We'd fight over things and she cry and it's buda fault because buda was gollem "mine! mine!" Then two years buda sister and naija and things dried up in the sun. I stuck any free book I got my hands in buda head and thought for budaself then two years buda sister twins!

Thankfully a lot of homes had bookshelfs full of books that were never gonna be read so they were cheap so long as I could get them past my friend's fathers who sometimes had read them with their, "you're too young to read that book!" I'd wait till they're out read some tell so they know. The agbayas who never read a word would hit call buda names tell their child no be buda friend no more but enough were delighted and let buda read book.

If you don't use your head naija life will be hard where resources are tight. And you don't do stupid on Lagos street or you'd get beat where I grew up. Awakening however? At 1 year old when demon things disturbed me at night but that's a story for another day.

Shelumiel:
Juju is negative because God is against it . I serve God , and I have served Juju; so I know the difference between both .

you are serving Yahweh, one of the creatures of God Almighty and you're claiming to be serving God? God, the TOTALITY OF EXISTENCE, doesn't want you to serve it or anything. Just use your brain and do good to humanity is the right way to go. Even the Yahweh u are serving is still in his cage till date.

Magic or juju is just an illusion. It is like the empty pot of Luwabi which people feared and believed to be possessing powers. Read Luwabi 15:1-39

CHAPTER FIFTEEN
1. Luwabi overturned a large pot in front of his house. And he wrote saying, do not open. It is the secret of Luwabi. If you open it and see what you do not wish to see, then it is your own problem, because I have forewarned you saying, do not open.
2. Now rumours began to spread all around about the covered pot of Luwabi. And the egungun of that land said, under the pot of Luwabi are his charms. And he shall hurt many with it.
3. And some said, Luwabi is a wizard. He has covered the destiny of many homos in it.
4. And some said, Luwabi is one of the Alawo of the land. And some admirers of Luwabi feared and said, Luwabi is using our destiny to prolong his own life.
5. And the Igunnuko and Eyo of other lands also said that Luwabi is into a very big cult.
6. Now every day, Luwabi would sit on top of the upturned pot and smile at those passing. And they feared him greatly, saying, Luwabi is a blood-sucker and a wizard.
7. And many withdrew their children from going to the court of Luwabi.
8. Now in a year, many beliefs had been formed around the pot of Luwabi. And some said, the pot of Luwabi is the pot of magic.
9. And many came to say that they saw Luwabi in their dreams casting spells at them from the pot.
10. And some said the pot contains earthworms and snails, while others said it is filled with evil cowries.
11. Now a homo fell sick when he remembered that Luwabi had fed him from similar pot before. And the homo said, I did eat with Luwabi from the pot, not knowing that Luwabi was using my destiny.
12. And even those who said they were witches and wizards began to fear Luwabi greatly.
13. And the fame of Luwabi spread far into many lands. And they feared him even from those lands.
14. Now some of the priests of the gods came to Luwabi, saying, tell us the secret of your power.
15. But Luwabi said, I cannot share the secret with anyone. My pot is outside there, go and open it.
16. Now many of them began to hate Luwabi. And they met together, saying, let us conjure fearful dreams and send it to his head. And he shall fear if he dreams it.
17. Now one said, if Luwabi does not think of us, how shall he dream about us? Now let us go around his house and scare him.
18. Now the people went around Luwabi’s house and called his name, saying, Luwabi, we witches shall destroy your life in your dream today. We shall tear your flesh apart.
19. Now Luwabi heard them and smiled. And then he went to bed.
20. Now all the people gathered together to imagine what they wished to let Luwabi see in his dream. And they imagined deep into the night, saying, since Luwabi has already heard our threat, he shall dream it also.
21. Now when Luwabi was asleep, he saw many birds flying over his head to tear him apart. But because he had trained himself not to fear anything, he was not afraid in the dream.
22. And Luwabi said in the dream, birds of the dream, shall you follow me out of the dream? If I wake up now, shall you not all be wiped out with the dream?
23. Then Luwabi woke up from his sleep and laughed.
24. Now when Luwabi came out of his house, he went to sit on the pot again. And the people who threatened him saw him and were surprised. For they thought that he would have died in his sleep overnight.
25. Now two brave homos said to themselves, we shall upturn the pot of Luwabi to know what he has kept under it. Now it was already three years since the pot was there. And many stories had been formed around it.
26. And even many priests had been threatened by its presence, yet they were afraid to open it. And those who feared so much came to worship the pot, so that they would not be destroyed by the power in it.
27. And they brought sacrifices in calabashes and placed them before the pot. But Luwabi fed their sacrifices to his animals, but no one knew. For they thought that the pot had accepted the sacrifices.
28. And some homos had formed a religion woven around the pot. And the pot did they make their god. And they made panegyrics for the pot.
29. And they said, Ikoko Luwabi orisa wa(meaning the pot of Luwabi, our own god).
30. Now the two brave men whose names were Akin and Gbajumo came to the pot at noon. And they said, we shall open the pot and dare the consequences.
31. So many gathered to watch them open the pot. And those who worship the pot came and said, do not open it, because it is our god. And since we began to worship it, it has been protecting us from evil.
32. However, Akin and Gbajumo proceeded and lifted up the pot. And many homos scattered to different directions, running when no one was chasing them. And those who were curious were shocked beyond imagination. For they saw nothing under the pot and they were disappointed.
33. Now it was known before the passing away of that day that the pot of Luwabi contained nothing. And they who had built their worship around the pot wondered, saying, why then are we protected when we changed our gods to worship the pot as our new god?
34. Who protected us from death when we left the worship of Ogun and Sango and even Oya to worship this pot?
35. Now Luwabi sat them down and said, you protected yourself with what you believe. For if you believe that you are protected, then you shall be protected. You do not need any god to protect you, but your own mind.
36. When you see a pot turned upside down, you think it is covering up something. But the truth of the matter is that it covers up nothing worth checking. So are many beliefs. They are made up of nothing but vacuums, yet they have power to protect you and to make you look powerful because you have put your belief in them.
37. Now the homo, who fell sick after thinking of the food he ate from the pot before it was overtuned, came to Luwabi because he had become well. And he said, baba Luwabi, if indeed the pot did not cover anything, how then did I fall sick?
38. How then did I dream that a snake was inside the pot turned over?
39. Then Luwabi said, your fear made you dream so and not because there is a snake under it. That is what fear can do to anyone. Now because you have known that there is nothing under it, you became well again. So is life. Many die because of their ignorance.

OtemAtum:
20. Now all the people gathered together to imagine what they wished to let Luwabi see in his dream. And they imagined deep into the night, saying, since Luwabi has already heard our threat, he shall dream it also.

budaatum:
Freethinker, lol. Sounds like freedom from slavery. Yuk!

buda became a thinker as soon as buda became conscious and it was early before anyone had an opportunity to enslave buda thinking. There was buda two year buda sister and buda was split two aware happened, the reduction in personal resources. Ma nurse pa lawyer so time that was short got shorter by half. We'd fight over things and she cry and it's buda fault because buda was gollem "mine! mine!" Then two years buda sister and naija and things dried up in the sun. I stuck any free book I got my hands in buda head and thought for budaself then two years buda sister twins!

Thankfully a lot of homes had bookshelfs full of books that were never gonna be read so they were cheap so long as I could get them past my friend's fathers who sometimes had read them with their, "you're too young to read that book!" I'd wait till they're out read some tell so they know. The agbayas who never read a word would hit call buda names tell their child no be buda friend no more but enough were delighted and let buda read book.

If you don't use your head naija life will be hard where resources are tight. And you don't do stupid on Lagos street or you'd get beat where I grew up. Awakening however? At 1 year old when demon things disturbed me at night but that's a story for another day.

Dayum! My Gee! You are so lucky to have had such an inquisitive childhood where you also had enough resources (books). You were not too fed with garbages. Do you still remember the books you read at that time? If yes, mention them so that someone out there might be helped.

How did your Ma and Pa manage to accept your views at that tender age?

Sorry if I am being too inquisitive. ..

budaatum:
Freethinker, lol. Sounds like freedom from slavery. Yuk!

buda became a thinker as soon as buda became conscious and it was early before anyone had an opportunity to enslave buda thinking. There was buda two year buda sister and buda was split two aware happened, the reduction in personal resources. Ma nurse pa lawyer so time that was short got shorter by half. We'd fight over things and she cry and it's buda fault because buda was gollem "mine! mine!" Then two years buda sister and naija and things dried up in the sun. I stuck any free book I got my hands in buda head and thought for budaself then two years buda sister twins!

Thankfully a lot of homes had bookshelfs full of books that were never gonna be read so they were cheap so long as I could get them past my friend's fathers who sometimes had read them with their, "you're too young to read that book!" I'd wait till they're out read some tell so they know. The agbayas who never read a word would hit call buda names tell their child no be buda friend no more but enough were delighted and let buda read book.

If you don't use your head naija life will be hard where resources are tight. And you don't do stupid on Lagos street or you'd get beat where I grew up. Awakening however? At 1 year old when demon things disturbed me at night but that's a story for another day.

Im listening already...... I wan hear gist

Omooba224:
Dayum! My Gee! You are so lucky to have had such an inquisitive childhood where you also had enough resources (books). You were not too fed with garbages. Do you still remember the books you read at that time? If yes, mention them so that someone out there might be helped.

How did your Ma and Pa manage to accept your views at that tender age?

Sorry if I am being too inquisitive. ..

Pa was good with it but wasn't around after 11. Ma, on the other hand was more a Martha than a Mary so sitting for hours seemingly doing nothing didn't quite go down well with her. "Where'd you get money to buy that book buda? Stolen again?" Money went missing a l lot and you must have heard the one about witches crying and babies dying the following day. Ma would search my bags and rip my books if she found them, though it didn't help that Hadley Chase had porn on the front. Got her back when I grew though. I told her I'm tired of having an ignorant ma so she must read and dragged her to the opticians when she excused she can't see. I now got me a smart ma, and got to thank her for making her koboko teach me to read in the first place.

I kept a list for years. That's how obsessed I was, though non-fiction (tort law et al) and magazines (thirteen years worth of Readers Digest, National Geographic and Rosicrucian Digest etc) was excluded as I didn't consider them worth recording when I began. Too large to upload however, and its got some personal details so not link. The book fell apart and I transferred to another and put those I'd read to then in some order. Below is the first four pages. The back pages was for gem quotes.


*Edit* I'm taking these down. I stopped keeping record in the 90s because it felt vain. It still does so I'll leave a tiny snipet.

Omooba224:


How did your Ma and Pa manage to accept your views at that tender age?

Accept my views? You're funny! Who accepts the views of a child? After 11 no dad I kept my views to myself or got beat for opening mouth. Choice was yours, buda! I was small too so easy beat. Had to provide evidence for whatever I claimed, and "read this" didn't cut it.

Here's how I dealt with Oyinbo talking rats.

budaatum:

Pa was good with it but wasn't around after 11. Ma, on the other hand was more a Martha than a Mary so sitting for hours seemingly doing nothing didn't quite go down well with her. "Where'd you get money to buy that book buda? Stolen again?" Money went missing a l lot and you must have heard the one about witches crying and babies dying the following day. Ma would search my bags and rip my books if she found them, though it didn't help that Hadley Chase had porn on the front. Got her back when I grew though. I told her I'm tired of having an ignorant ma so she must read and dragged her to the opticians when she excused she can't see. I now got me a smart ma, and got to thank her for making her koboko teach me to read in the first place.

I kept a list for years. That's how obsessed I was, though non-fiction (tort law et al) and magazines (thirteen years worth of Readers Digest, National Geographic and Rosicrucian Digest etc) was excluded as I didn't consider them worth recording when I began. Too large to upload however, and its got some personal details so not link. The book fell apart and I transferred to another and put those I'd read to then in some order. Below is the first four pages. The back pages was for gem quotes.

Wow! What a caring and loving mom! I am pretty she was bewildered by your level of intelligence at that age. You were damn too fortunate to have such a reading background.

Don't tell me read all these.
You are really a bookworm. I cherish that.

Omooba224:
Wow! What a caring and loving mom! I am pretty she was bewildered by your level of intelligence at that age. You were damn too fortunate to have such a reading background.

Don't tell me read all these.
You are really a bookworm. I cherish that.

Yeah, they are great parents. My fortune was no telly part formative years till I put my foot down for Festac. And even then it held no candle to my infant diet of BBC, so boring. Besides, no light, so me a book and candles were friends till I got myself a lantern. And when there was light I had the worlds radio on pa's Blaupunkt - three floors up we got everywhere on it, though that high up meant no going out so indoors with four sisters and book.

Bookworm isn't intelligence though. You first read to extract content of book.
Then understand, to know what extracted content means (I read Homer four times before even getting the story!)
Then you get to consider the implications of what you read.
Then you decide, if you are aware, whether to internalise what you understand or not.
And even check if what you've read is already internalised. You get this with the bad stuff a la twig in my eye and not forest in other's eyes, so I call it "drycleaning the mind".
Then it all has to evolve into intelligence (in ones conduct) which takes time.
And I'm told, into wisdom, which takes forever, or never, in the case of some.
And .........

budaatum:

Yeah, they are great parents. My fortune was no telly part formative years till I put my foot down for Festac. And even then it held no candle to my infant diet of BBC, so boring. Besides, no light, so me a book and candles were friends till I got myself a lantern. And when there was light I had the worlds radio on pa's Blaupunkt - three floors up we got everywhere on it, though that high up meant no going out so indoors with four sisters and book.

Bookworm isn't intelligence though. You first read to extract content of book.
Then understand, to know what extracted content means (I read Homer four times before even getting the story!)
Then you get to consider the implications of what you read.
Then you decide, if you are aware, whether to internalise what you understand or not.
And even check if what you've read is already internalised. You get this with the bad stuff a la twig in my eye and not forest in other's eyes, so I call it "drycleaning the mind".
Then it all has to evolve into intelligence (in ones conduct) which takes time.
And I'm told, into wisdom, which takes forever, or never, in the case of some.
And .........

I must confess, you are a sage! Not being sarcastic though.

Omooba224:
I must confess, you are a sage! Not being sarcastic though.

You are not being sarcastic Omooba.