As a kid i had no reason to doubt if God existed or not but as i grew older i began to ponder.Based on logic i said there was no God,after some occurrence and some reasoning i came to a conclusion that God exists though i still have doubts but its not like before. After that i tried to find religion,i was born in a muslim home so that makes me a muslim but i've stopped praying because i started having doubts if its the right way when i hear all this terrorists kill in the name of Allah it gets me confused and they are the ones refered to as true muslims.But i know not all muslims are like that. Then i looked at the christians they have catholics,anglican,and so much more and they all have different believes but some claim that its still one God. So i just want to know if you need religion to serve God Because right now serve God without religion i think the most important thing is to believe in God.

^^ There is no one "true" religion, my guy, even though they all like to think that they are. You are already serving God with your existence in this life. All other things are just man-made extracurricular activities(and also part of the experience). In which man-made religious organization you subscribe to is totally irrelevant. But if you want to keep on really confusing yourself, then keep putting all these crazy religions between you and your maker. But i am sure you don't want that, from what i read in your post.

My advice to you, keep organized religion and their confusing doctrines out of your relationship with your creator and make sure they stay out. They are nothing more than just mind parasites acting as self-elected intermediaries between you and your maker. All they do is keep you in a state of confusion.

About knowing what is right or wrong, what is negative or positive, go with your in-born intuition. Let it guide you instead of listening to a whole posse of socalled religious leaders who most probably do not have a clue what they are talking about. We are now in the intuition age and only folks who can understand and use their power of intuition properly will be able to adjust. Try as much as possible to be a positive force for good in this world. Leave the world better than you found it and love everyone equally.

Thanks i've been thinking about it too because whenever i think based on religion i get confused all the time. So i think the best is to know you just have a creator.

Religion just breeds hatred and all stuffs. There's no way on earth a pastor will tell you islam is the right religion and vice versa, and some people are so confident jesus died for their sins how i wish i existed in that time,i could be wrong but i hope not to be. I think we all are here to discover your own truth undoubtably There's a God but religion is just so confusing!

The true Religion is LOVE. With that, you're linked to God and Man. Another name for Love is Truth.

Problem is we define it differently yet there's only one true definition and way to it.

We should all be good for goodness sake this world would be a better place if we were all good to each other regardless of religion.

What's happening to nuclearboy?! Never thought something that deep will come out of your highly christianized person.

nuclearboy:

The true Religion is LOVE. With that, you're linked to God and Man. Another name for Love is Truth.

Problem is we define it differently yet there's only one true definition and way to it.

True words, those.

Jenwitemi:

What's happening to nuclearboy?! Never thought something that deep will come out of your highly christianized person.

When reading your post I came to the conclusion that you are a victim of mass media hysteria, Cause you claaimed that the terrorists kill in the name of Allah, but that is where you fell prey to this hysteria. his terrorist are fighting a political course with religious hyteria, Osama - if he is resposibvle - has claimed time and again that the US govt should stop supporting arab regimes against other political actors hence it is clearly a political war not religious, so it is quite naive to think they are killing in the name of Allah. more importantly just because someone claims to doing something for another thing sake does not make the other thing resposible so guy do not let others do your thinking for you Islam is the path, pure and sure.

What do we understand by the word religion?

^^ Brilliant question, Pastor!

@Jenwitemi:

Remember I said its difficult to take you serious? Look again at your post above - you judge me "christianized"! what does that mean except that you believe anybody who professes Christ is a dogmatic idiot lapping up whatever falls from pulpits. Is that sane or mature?

Now Pastor_AIO has informed us he is a Christian, would you say he's the same?

See, you're immature and thus you don't see men. You see what you are!

This is true religion
The word "Islam" is an Arabic word which means "submission to the will of God". This word comes from the same root as the Arabic word "salam", which means "peace". As such, the religion of Islam teaches that in order to achieve true peace of mind and surety of heart, one must submit to God and live according to His Divinely revealed Law. The most important truth that God revealed to mankind is that there is nothing divine or worthy of being worshipped except for Almighty God, thus all human beings should submit to Him.



The word "Muslim" means one who submits to the will of God, regardless of their race, nationality or ethnic background. Being a Muslim entails willful submission and active obedience to God, and living in accordance with His message. Some people mistakenly believe that Islam is just a religion for Arabs, but nothing could be further from the truth. Not only are there converts to Islam in every corner of the world, especially in England and America, but by taking a look at the Muslim World from Bosnia to Nigeria, and from Indonesia to Morocco, one can clearly see that Muslims come from many various races, ethnic groups and nationalities. It is also interesting to note that in actuality, more than 80% of all Muslims are not Arabs - there are more Muslims in Indonesia than in the whole Arab World! So though even though it is true that most Arabs are Muslims, the large majority of Muslims are not Arabs. However, anyone who submits completely to God and worships Him alone is a Muslim.
Continuity of the Message:

Islam is not a new religion because "submission to the will of God", i.e. Islam, has always been the only acceptable religion in the sight of God. For this reason, Islam is the true "natural religion", and it is the same eternal message revealed through the ages to all of God's prophets and messengers. Muslims believe that all of God's prophets, which include Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, brought the same message of Pure Monotheism. For this reason, the Prophet Muhammad was not the founder of a new religion, as many people mistakenly think, but he was the Final Prophet of Islam. By revealing His final message to Muhammad, which is an eternal and universal message for all of mankind, God finally fulfilled the covenant that He made with Abraham, who was one of the earliest and greatest prophets. Suffice it to say that the way of Islam is the same as the way of the prophet Abraham, because both the Bible and the Qur'an portray Abraham as a towering example of someone who submitted himself completely to God and worshipped Him without intermediaries. Once this is realized, it should be clear that Islam has the most continuous and universal message of any religion, because all prophets and messengers were "Muslims", i.e. those who submitted to God's will, and they preached "Islam", i.e. submission to the will of Almighty God.

The Oneness of God:

The foundation of the Islamic faith is belief in the Oneness of Almighty God - the God of Abraham, Noah, Moses and Jesus. Islam teaches that a pure belief in One God is intuitive in human beings and thus fulfills the natural inclination of the soul. As such, Islam's concept of God is straightforward, unambiguous and easy to understand. Islam teaches that the hearts, minds and souls of human beings are fitting receptacles for clear divine revelation, and that God's revelations to man are not clouded by self-contradictory mysteries or irrational ideas. As such, Islam teaches that even though God cannot be fully comprehended and grasped by our finite human minds, He also does not expect us to accept absurd or demonstrably false beliefs about Him. According to the teachings of Islam, Almighty God is absolutely One and His Oneness should never be compromised by associating partners with Him - neither in worship nor in belief. Due to this, Muslims are required to maintain a direct relationship with God, and therefore all intermediaries are absolutely forbidden. From the Islamic standpoint, believing in the Oneness of God means to realize that all prayer and worship should be exclusively for God, and that He alone deserves such titles as "Lord" and "Savior". Some religions, even though they believe on "One God", do not make all of their worship and prayers for Him alone. Also, they also give the title of "Lord" to beings that are not All-Knowing, All-Powerful and Un-Changing - even according to their own scriptures. Suffice it to say that according to Islam, it is not enough that people believe that "God is One", but they must actualize this belief by proper conduct. In short, in the Islamic concept of God, which is completely based on Divine Revelation, there is no ambiguity in divinity - God is God and man is man. Since God is the only Creator and continual Sustainer of the Universe, He is transcendent above His creation - the Creator and the creature never mix. Islam teaches that God has a unique nature and that He is free from gender, human weaknesses and beyond anything which human beings can imagine. The Qur'an teaches that the signs and proofs of God's wisdom, power and existence are evident in the world around us. As such, God calls on man to ponder over the creation in order to build a better understanding of his Creator. Muslims believe that God is Loving, Compassionate and Merciful, and that He is concerned with the daily affairs of human beings. In this, Islam strikes a unique balance between false religious and philosophical extremes. Some religions and philosophies portray God as just an impersonal "Higher Power" who is uninterested, or unaware, of the life of each individual human. Other religions tend to give God human qualities and teach that He is present in His creation, by being incarnate in someone, something - or even everything. In Islam, however, Almighty God has clarified the truth by letting mankind know that He is "Compassionate", "Merciful", "Loving" and the "Answerer of Prayers". But He as also emphasized strongly that "there is nothing like unto Him", and that He is high above time, space and His creation. Finally, it should be mentioned that the God that Muslims worship is the same God that Jews and Christians worship - because there is only one God. It is unfortunate that some people mistakenly believe that Muslims worship a different God than Jews and Christians, and that "Allah" is just the "god of the Arabs". This myth, which has been propagated by the enemies of Islam, is completely false since the word "Allah" is simply the Arabic name for Almighty God. It is the same word for God which is used by Arabic-speaking Jews and Christians. However, it should be clarified that even though Muslims worship the same God as Jews and Christian, their concept of Him differs somewhat from the beliefs of other religions - mainly because it is based completely on Divine Revelation from God. For example, Muslims reject the Christian belief that God is a Trinity, not only becaue the Qur'an rejects it, but also because if this was God's true nature, He would have clearly revealed it to Abraham, Noah, Jesus and all of the other prophets.

The Qur'an:

The Arabic world "Al-Qur'an" literally means "the recitation". When used in regards to Islam, the word Qur'an means God's final message to mankind that was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad. The Qu'ran, sometimes spelled Koran, is the literal the word of God - as it clearly says time and time again. Unlike other sacred scriptures, the Qur'an has been perfectly preserved in both its words and meaning in a living language. The Qu'ran is a living miracle in the Arabic language; and is know to be inimitable in its style, form and spiritual impact. God's final revelation to mankind, the Qur'an, was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad over a period of 23 years. The Qur'an, in contrast to many other religious books, was always thought to be the Word of God by those who believed in it, i.e. it wasn't something decreed by a religious council many years after being written. Also, the Qu'ran was recited publicly in front of both the Muslim and non-Muslim communities during the life of the Prophet Muhammad. The entire Qur'an was also completely written down in lifetime of the Prophet, and numerous companions of the Prophet memorized the entire Qur'an word-for-word as it was revealed. So unlike other scriptures, the Qur'an was always in the hands of the common believers, it was always thought to be God's word and, due to wide-spread memorization, it was perfectly preserved. In regards to the teachings of the Qur'an - it is a universal scripture, and it is addressed to all of mankind, and not to a particular tribe or "chosen people". The message that it brings is nothing new, but the same message of all of the prophets - submit to Almighty God and worship Him alone. As such, God's revelation in the Qur'an focuses on teaching human beings the importance of believing in the Unity of God and framing their lives around the guidance which He has sent. Additionally, the Qur'an contains the stories of the previous prophets, such as Abraham, Noah, Moses and Jesus; as well as many commands and prohibitions from God. In modern times in which so many people are caught up in doubt, spiritual despair and "political correctness", the Qur'anic teachings offer solutions to the emptiness of our lives and the turmoil that is gripping the world today. In short, the Qur'an is the book of guidance par excellence.

The Prophet Muhammad May the Peace and Blessings of God be upon him:

Unlike the founders of many religious, the final prophet of Islam is a real documented and historical figure. He lived in the full light of history, and the most minute details of his life are known. Not only do Muslims have the complete text of God's words that were revealed to Muhammad, but they have also preserved his saying and teachings in what is called "hadith" literature. This having been said, it should be understood that Muslims believe that the Prophet Muhammad was only a man chosen by God, and that he is not divine in any way. In order to avoid the misguided wish to deify him, the Prophet Muhammad taught Muslims to refer to him as "God's Messenger and His Slave". The mission of the last and final prophet of God was to simply teach that "there is nothing divine or worthy of being worshipped except for Almighty God", as well as being a living example of God's revelation. In simple terms, God sent the revelation to Muhammad, who in turn taught it , preached it, lived it and put it into practice. In this way, Muhammad was more that just a "prophet" in the sense of many of the Biblical prophets, since he was also a statesman and ruler. He was a man who lived a humble life in the service of God, and established an all-encompassing religion and way of life by showing what it means to be an ideal friend, husband, teacher, ruler, warrior and judge. For this reason, Muslims follow him not for his own sake, but in obedience to God, because Muhammad not only showed us how to deal with our fellow human beings, but more importantly, he showed us how to relate to and worship God, worship Him in the only way pleasing to Him. Like other prophets, Muhammad faced a great deal of opposition and persecution during his mission. However, he was always patient and just, and he treated his enemies well. The results of his mission were very successful, and even though his mission started in one of the most backward and remotes places on earth, within a hundred years of the death of Muhammad, Islam had spread from Spain to China. The Prophet Muhammad was the greatest of all of God's prophets, not because he had new doctrines or greater miracles, but because the results of his mission have broght more human beings into the pure and proper belief in the One True God than any other prophet.
The Islamic Way of Life:

In the Holy Qur'an, God teaches human beings that they were created in order to worship Him, and that the basis of all true worship is God-consciousness. Since the teachings of Islamic encompass all aspects of life and ethics, God-consciousness is encouraged in all human affairs. Islam makes it clear that all human acts are acts of worship if they are done for God alone and in accordance to His Divine Law. As such, worship in Islam is not limited to religious rituals. The teachings of Islam act as a mercy and a healing for the human soul, and such qualities as humility, sincerity, patience and charity are strongly encouraged. Additionally, Islam condemns pride and self-righteousness, since Almighty God is the only judge of human righteousness. The Islamic view of the nature of man is also realistic and well-balanced. Human beings are not believed to be inherently sinful, but are seen as equally capable of both good and evil. Islam also teaches that faith and action go hand-in-hand. God has given people free-will, and the measure of one's faith is one's deeds and actions. However, human beings have also been created weak and regularly fall into sin. This is the nature of the human being as created by God in His Wisdom, and it is not inherently "corrupt" or in need of repair. This is because the avenue of repentance of always open to all human beings, and Almighty God loves the repentant sinner more than one who does not sin at all. The true balance of an Islamic life is established by having a healthy fear of God as well as a sincere belief in His infinite Mercy. A life without fear of God leads to sin and disobedience, while believing that we have sinned so much that God will not possibly forgive us only leads to despair. In light of this, Islam teaches that: only the misguided despair of the Mercy of their Lord. Additionally, the Holy Qur'an, which was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad, contains a great deal of teachings about the life hereafter and the Day of Judgment. Due to this, Muslims believe that all human beings will ultimately be judged by God for their beliefs and actions in their earthly lives. In judging human beings, Almighty God will be both Merciful and Just, and people will only be judged for what they were capable of. Suffice it to say that Islam teaches that life is a test, and that all human beings will be accountable before God. A sincere belief in the life hereafter is key to leading a well-balanced life and moral. Otherwise, life is viewed as an end in itself, which causes human beings to become more selfish, materialistic and immoral.
Islam for a Better Life:

Islam teaches that true happiness can only being obtained by living a life full of God-consciousness and being satisfied with what God has given us. Additionally, true "freedom" is freedom from being controlled by our base human desires and being ruled by man-made ideologies. This stands in stark contrast to the view of many people in the modern world, who consider "freedom" to be the ability to satisfy all of their desires without inhibition. The clear and comprehensive guidance of Islam gives human-beings a well-defined purpose and direction in life. In addition to being members of the human-brotherhood of Islam, its well-balanced and practical teachings are a source of spiritual comfort, guidance and morality. A direct and clear relationship with Almighty God, as well as the sense of purpose and belonging that ones feels as a Muslim, frees a person from the many worries of everyday life. In short, the Islamic way of life is pure and wholesome. It builds self-discipline and self-control thought regular prayer and fasting, and frees human-beings from superstition and all sorts of racial, ethnic and national prejudices. By accepting to live a God-conscious life, and realizing that the only thing that distinguishes people in the sight of God is their consciousness of Him, a person's true human dignity is realized.

How can you take me seriously when i tell you the truth you don't want to hear? Are you not christianized? Don't you see the world from the tiny prizm of the christian doctrine? Perhaps you have finally broken free of the shackles of the christian dogma and moved on. If that is the case, then good on you! It is hightime, too. Humanity will be better for it.

nuclearboy:

@Jenwitemi:

Remember I said its difficult to take you serious? Look again at your post above - you judge me "christianized"!

Yes, that is exactly what i believe because you guys(at least the one on this forum) come across as just that when you talk.

nuclearboy:

what does that mean except that you believe anybody who professes Christ is a dogmatic lapping up whatever falls from pulpits. Is that sane or mature?

He is an exception, i admit, and he comes across as not living inside the tiny tiny christian box from his posts. I can't say the same about you, though. You come across as a christian zealot who sees the world through a tiny tiny christian hole. That was why i was surprised by your post. It was very unzealotlike, if you know what i mean.

nuclearboy:


Now Pastor_AIO has informed us he is a Christian, would you say he's the same?

Perhaps, but i am mature enough to see you for what you are . . . hopefully for what you were, just another biblethumping christian zealot who thinks the entire world revolves around his own religious ideologies.

nuclearboy:


See, you're immature and thus you don't see men. You see what you are!

@Jenwitemi:

Like most of those who you believe represent "christianity", you don't know what truth, christianity or love means. Like them too, you revel in and celebrate your ignorance.

I have just finished showing some of them that their interest is in what favors them and the praise of men rather than for what is true and beneficial to all.

Unlike their case, twould likely be folly going through the motions and showing you where you err in your beliefs for you are not here to exchange knowledge or learn but rather just as a "fad".

Enjoy yourself while it lasts 

vedaxcool:

The Qur'an:

The Arabic world "Al-Qur'an" literally means "the recitation". When used in regards to Islam, the word Qur'an means God's final message to mankind that was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad. The Qu'ran, sometimes spelled Koran, is the literal the word of God - as it clearly says time and time again. Unlike other sacred scriptures, the Qur'an has been perfectly preserved in both its words and meaning in a living language. The Qu'ran is a living miracle in the Arabic language; and is know to be inimitable in its style, form and spiritual impact. God's final revelation to mankind, the Qur'an, was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad over a period of 23 years. The Qur'an, in contrast to many other religious books, was always thought to be the Word of God by those who believed in it, i.e. it wasn't something decreed by a religious council many years after being written. Also, the Qu'ran was recited publicly in front of both the Muslim and non-Muslim communities during the life of the Prophet Muhammad. The entire Qur'an was also completely written down in lifetime of the Prophet, and numerous companions of the Prophet memorized the entire Qur'an word-for-word as it was revealed. So unlike other scriptures, the Qur'an was always in the hands of the common believers, it was always thought to be God's word and, due to wide-spread memorization, it was perfectly preserved. In regards to the teachings of the Qur'an - it is a universal scripture, and it is addressed to all of mankind, and not to a particular tribe or "chosen people". The message that it brings is nothing new, but the same message of all of the prophets - submit to Almighty God and worship Him alone. As such, God's revelation in the Qur'an focuses on teaching human beings the importance of believing in the Unity of God and framing their lives around the guidance which He has sent. Additionally, the Qur'an contains the stories of the previous prophets, such as Abraham, Noah, Moses and Jesus; as well as many commands and prohibitions from God. In modern times in which so many people are caught up in doubt, spiritual despair and "political correctness", the Qur'anic teachings offer solutions to the emptiness of our lives and the turmoil that is gripping the world today. In short, the Qur'an is the book of guidance par excellence.

. . . . .LWKMD. . . . .

nuclearboy:

@Jenwitemi:

Like most of those who you believe represent "christianity", you don't know what truth, christianity or love means. Like them too, you revel in and celebrate your ignorance.

But you would know what the truth, christianity or love means, right? Only you. You are wiser than everybody else, too. Nuclearboy, the wise one. Please share your great wisdom with us, now!

nuclearboy:


I have just finished showing some of them that their interest is in what favors them and the praise of men rather than for what is true and beneficial to all.

Nuclearboy, the wisest one. Good for you.

nuclearboy:


Unlike their case, twould likely be folly going through the motions and showing you where you err in your beliefs for you are not here to exchange knowledge or learn but rather just as a "fad".

Don't give up on me, oh wise one!   Show me where i err in my beliefs and i will show you yours. Deal?

nuclearboy:


Enjoy yourself while it lasts 

Same to you.

@vedaxcool so you are so confident that Islam is the right way? What will a pastor tell you? Or is it possible God accepts all religion. Come to think of it even all this religions are borrowed. I wish we were left with our *beliefs*

Ruq:

@vedaxcool so you are so confident that Islam is the right way? What will a pastor tell you? Or is it possible God accepts all religion. Come to think of it even all this religions are borrowed. I wish we were left with our *beliefs*

There is no religion that is the "right way". . .Right way to where exactly?. . . .All religions were created out of the fear of the many and the cleverness of a few. . . . .Men created all religions and the proceeds of all religions. . . . .Religion is good because it gives people a sense of identity any thing beside that is pure bull. . . Religions are just a cultural way for people to express themselves and give themselves a form of  identity. It also serves as a means to spread other peoples culture and identity to others. . . .An African Muslim is nothing but some one that follows the Arabic culture that was created by Mohammed and his followers, an African Christian is nothing but someone that is following the culture created by the Greeks, Jews and Romans which was later coined into a religion and spread around. .  . . .If there is any God that created the universe and wants people to know  about his/her/its religion it will come natural, no body will have to be thought about that God's religion.  . . . . .

No body comes into this world with the knowledge of any God or any religion, parents and society MUST have to teach and indoctrinate a person about what ever religious beliefs they want the person to adhere to. . . .Babies come out of their mother wombs automatically knowing how to cry and sleep, no baby has ever come out of its mothers womb with the knowledge of any religion at all. . . .Most people believe one religion or the other because they want to delude themselves into thinking that their consciousness can command reality because they are not satisfied with reality in one way or the other. People are very primitive when it comes to deities and religions.

They manufacture Gods and religions for their own purposes and they want to believe that some kind of magic will alter the laws of physics to suit themselves or their communities. They want to inflate their own sense of power so they anthropomorphize a friendly deity that they can carry around in their heads that can be called upon when things get rough or a religion that flows with their wishes and aspirations and ascribe t what ever concept or idea of God that comes to their mind. They want to believe that reality will conform to their wills, even though they realize that the facts indicate quite the contrary. These people want a simple answer to a complex question, and they somehow think that by making up a story they will solve the problem. All they end up doing is substituting an unknowable for an unknown. . . . . .

I repeat there is no religion that will lead you to any truth because NO religion knows what is the truth. . . .We just have people creating stories(mythical), laws, directives and how they feel people ought to live their lives and pretending that they know what they don't even have an idea of. . .Pretending to know hings that you don't know is the life blood of all religions. . . .

mazaje:

If there is any God that created the universe and wants people to know  about his/her/its religion it will come natural, no body will have to be thought about that God's religion.  . . . . .

Your opinion

mazaje:

There is no religion that is the "right way". . .Right way to where exactly?. . . .All religions were created out of the fear of the many and the cleverness of a few. . . . .Men created all religions and the proceeds of all religions. . . . .Religion is good because it gives people a sense of identity any thing beside that is pure bull. . . Religions are just a cultural way for people to express themselves and give themselves a form of  identity. It also serves as a means to spread other peoples culture and identity to others. . . .An African Muslim is nothing but some one that follows the Arabic culture that was created by Mohammed and his followers, an African Christian is nothing but someone that is following the culture created by the Greeks, Jews and Romans which was later coined into a religion and spread around. .  . . .If there is any God that created the universe and wants people to know  about his/her/its religion it will come natural, no body will have to be thought about that God's religion.  . . . . .

No body comes into this world with the knowledge of any God or any religion, parents and society MUST have to teach and indoctrinate a person about what ever religious beliefs they want the person to adhere to. . . .Babies come out of their mother wombs automatically knowing how to cry and sleep, no baby has ever come out of its mothers womb with the knowledge of any religion at all. . . .Most people believe one religion or the other because they want to delude themselves into thinking that their consciousness can command reality because they are not satisfied with reality in one way or the other. People are very primitive when it comes to deities and religions.

They manufacture Gods and religions for their own purposes and they want to believe that some kind of magic will alter the laws of physics to suit themselves or their communities. They want to inflate their own sense of power so they anthropomorphize a friendly deity that they can carry around in their heads that can be called upon when things get rough or a religion that flows with their wishes and aspirations and ascribe t what ever concept or idea of God that comes to their mind. They want to believe that reality will conform to their wills, even though they realize that the facts indicate quite the contrary. These people want a simple answer to a complex question, and they somehow think that by making up a story they will solve the problem. All they end up doing is substituting an unknowable for an unknown. . . . . .

I repeat there is no religion that will lead you to any truth because NO religion knows what is the truth. . . .We just have people creating stories(mythical), laws, directives and how they feel people ought to live their lives and pretending that they know what they don't even have an idea of. . .Pretending to know hings that you don't know is the life blood of all religions. . . .

^^^^ While the discerning know that there is purpose in Religion (a set of social guidelines for daily living and lay understanding of the universe) they also know the limits of Religion and are careful not to tightly bind Religion to Reality-of-living or vice-versa.

Why there is sooooo much controversy with Religion is that it has always been tainted with the Poison of Dogma, Rituals and Ceremonies, obscured and obfuscated with the details of human mis-interpretation and clever twisting of Philosophical Truths for the purposes of Control and Self-Profit.

This is why wars spear-headed with a Religious agenda is ultimately exposed for its economic and political underpinnings, The reason why Religion has become a comfortable embellishment (clever deception) of the Truth.

But it has always been this way since early man looked up into the heavens and wondered how the clouds hung and what lightning and thunder meant  

lagerwhenindoubt:

^^^^ While the discerning know that there is purpose in Religion (a set of social guidelines for daily living and lay understanding of the universe) they also know the limits of Religion and are careful not to tightly bind Religion to Reality-of-living or vice-versa.

Why there is sooooo much controversy with Religion is that it has always been tainted with the Poison of Dogma, Rituals and Ceremonies, obscured and obfuscated with the details of human mis-interpretation and clever twisting of Philosophical Truths for the purposes of Control and Self-Profit.

This is why wars spear-headed with a Religious agenda is ultimately exposed for its economic and political underpinnings, The reason why Religion has become a comfortable embellishment (clever deception) of the Truth.

But it has always been this way since early man looked up into the heavens and wondered how the clouds hung and what lightning and thunder meant  

True, what I just can't understand is why people are yet to grab that this religion thingy is all a man made sham? People keep referring to it as "truth" or "the right way". The question is what truth and right way to where? Its all a man made sham because there are many different and contradictory religious beliefs and even differing perspectives on what God is or wants within denominations of the same religion? Just as you said humans are conscious beings, once the ancient people began asking themselves where they came from and where the mountains and rain came from, religion and deities were born. . . .

mazaje:

True, what I just can't understand is why people are yet to grab that this religion thingy is all a man made sham? People keep referring to it as "truth" or "the right way". The question is what truth and right way to where? Its all a man made sham because there are many different and contradictory religious beliefs and even differing perspectives on what God is or wants within denominations of the same religion? Just as you said humans are conscious beings, once the ancient people began asking themselves where they came from and where the mountains and rain came from, religion and deities were born. . . .

Howdy mazaje.
But don't you think these are legitimate questions? Since you don't know where the mountains and rain came from, does it make any sense to claim to believe there is no God?

MyJoe:

Howdy mazaje.
But don't you think these are legitimate questions? Since you don't know where the mountains and rain came from, does it make any sense to claim to believe there is no God?

Am very good bros, two days? How have you been doing?. . . . .They are indeed legitimate questions,As for rain and mountains we now know how they come about( we ow know about their formation, types, cycle etc). . . .Here is my personal take on this issue, to me what remains unknown remains unknown, substituting what we don't know with God has never helped us solved or understood anything at all. . .When diseases were thought to be caused by demons and devils life expectancy was low, now that we know what causes diseases life expectancy has increased and we now know how to better manage and control diseases if we put our acts together. . . . .When ever a supernatural hypothesis is put forward a natural explanation is found and people tend to accept the natural explanations more than the supernatural explanation, because the natural explanation is always self evident . . . .

To your question about God, to me God is just a concept and a hypothesis put forth by people for so many different reasons, reasons like explanation for how the universe and life came about, how people should conduct themselves and live their lives, Imperialism,  Source of hope in a very chaotic world and a sense of identity and culture. . . .The God hypothesis is a good one even though I believe it is a very flawed hypothesis. . .People are the ones that are always ascribing things unto Gods, no God has ever appeared to the entire planet and claimed anything to any body himself, Its always the elites and religious leaders making things up and ascribing to what ever concept of God they want or imagine. . . .

Even as an atheist I am still very baffled by what I see around me . . . .Nature is just incredible, Its chaotic, wasteful, violent and destructive and all but yet it is still incredible and well balanced so that even a crazy person that has lost his/her senses will be awed , Is there any reason to believe that there is any God behind it? To me the answer is no, because no God has ever appeared to any body personally and told him he created the universe and everything in nature we see around us, any body that says other wise is a LIAR. . . .No God has left his signature or name on anything that we have discovered in nature, we just see things that stun us and we very take a deep look and study them we just see that they are a result of mostly mindless forces acting on their own. . . .To me what is unknown remains unknown, because the God hypothesis has never objectively explained anything to anybody. . . . .Its always humans that self project themselves as God and tell others what to do, how to do it and what to believe or how to believe and they attach imaginary rewards or punishments to their various God hypothesis. . . .

You are right, it's largely unobjective. I can tell you what convinces me as to the existence of God, but it's all subjective. Does it not make complete sense to you that if there is God he would be in another dimension, which is impossible to access in your present material state? I realise you don't believe in the existence of the non-material. So how do you deal with stories related by others as to their experiences? All in your head, I guess. I, too, think a lot of things are in people's head. But what about stories that have been objectively verified?

MyJoe:

You are right, it's largely unobjective. I can tell you what convinces me as to the existence of God, but it's all subjective. Does it not make complete sense to you that if there is God he would be in another dimension, which is impossible to access in your present material state? I realise you don't believe in the existence of the non-material. So how do you deal with stories related by others as to their experiences? All in your head, I guess. I, too, think a lot of things are in people's head. But what about stories that have been objectively verified?

I will like you to define God in your own terms so that I know exactly what I am talking about? Are you talking about the creator of the universe(as in deist God concept) or the Jewish, Christian, Arab, Hindu, Buddhist etc concept?. . . .

If by God you mean the creator of the universe,then I can accept that possibility since I don't know who or what was responsible for the universe, Do you believe in a God that interacts with humans? If the said God exist in another dimension, how then can he still exist amongst humans?. . . .As for the experiences, what kind of experiences are they?. . . .

MyJoe:

You are right, it's largely unobjective. I can tell you what convinces me as to the existence of God, but it's all subjective. Does it not make complete sense to you that if there is God he would be in another dimension, which is[b] impossible to access in your present material state[/b]? I realise you don't believe in the existence of the non-material. So how do you deal with stories related by others as to their experiences? All in your head, I guess. I, too, think a lot of things are in people's head. But what about stories that have been objectively verified?

Let us assume (hypothetically speaking) that there is actually a GOD, a real-life Super-Cosmic entity of phenomenal ethereal proportions, He is Purposeful and Purposeless, he is Chaos and Order, Matter and Anti-matter, Right and Wrong, Beginning and End, Alpla and Omega. In his infinite wisdom created man in his own image (a point a lot of Christians/Muslims fail to appreciate), do you not think that his very cosmic essence and ethereal qualities exists in our human bodies to the point that we possess the exact power-cosmic that God is imbued with? How did the Bible prophets transverse great inter-dimensional distances regardless of their material states to seek audience with GOD.

The existence of Black-Holes in the Universe is a solid scientific fact but it is not founded on the existence or actual sighting of a Black-Hole itself, rather it is detected based on its obviously powerful effect on other celestial bodies close to its Event-Horizon or in its vicinity.

Please lecture me, how has the existence of this All-Everything GOD affected his surrounding creations to the point that you can say when he moves, the earth spins or when he sleeps, people die and when he smiles, babies are born,  there is no latent or potent effect of GOD's existence in this dimension or any dimension since he is conveniently mysterious by nature and unfathomable by character. However as strange as it seems. I can see SATAN's powerful and obviously non-transitory effect on this dimension and it is logically arguable to say SATAN exists because though we cannot see him, we see the effects of his existence. Since the glory-days of GOD in the mythical Paradise of Eden, he seems to have just vanished into cosmic nothingness at the presence of SATAN's glorious paradigm-shaking events from time-immemorial to this present day. so i ask you again, does GOD exists? in this dimension or the next

mazaje:

I will like you to define God in your own terms so that I know exactly what I am talking about? Are you talking about the creator of the universe(as in deist God concept) or the Jewish, Christian, Arab, Hindu, Buddhist etc concept?. . . .

If by God you mean the creator of the universe,then I can accept that possibility since I don't know who or what was responsible for the universe, Do you believe in a God that interacts with humans? If the said God exist in another dimension, how then can he still exist amongst humans?. . . .As for the experiences, what kind of experiences are they?. . . .

I don't believe God interacts with humans, although it is possible people get vibrations from the spiritual word. I tend to see the universe as running like a computer programme. You press this key and something happens. That may spark off something which will cause another to fall into or out of place. The programmer does not need to stand there arms akimbo.

From the choleric warlord of the Old Testament to the Personal Assistant parroted by many Christians, I don't find the concept of God produced by most of the religions I have studied plausible. I see God as the reality that defies definition.

God can exist in another dimension and exist among humans if he is indeed the Creator. Remember he spawned the universe. People in higher dimensions can "see" people in lower dimensions, whereas the reverse would be generally impossible.

Well, there are experiences and you have heard them before, I believe. Mazaje sees his elderly great aunt living in Kaura Namoda while coming out of the Konstan Möljä in Helsinki. A few minutes later he receives a phone call that she died. I once met a man who claims he can recall seven past lives. What would you say mazaje if you met him and the stories he tells you checks, after you have verified he had no way knowing of the events he talked about? I don't do these stories much, myself, so I can't really write much along that line right now.

nuclearboy:

The true Religion is LOVE. With that, you're linked to God and Man. Another name for Love is Truth.

Do my eyes deceive me? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

We emus liburnica!

lagerwhenindoubt:

Let us assume (hypothetically speaking) that there is actually a GOD, a real-life Super-Cosmic entity of phenomenal ethereal proportions, He is Purposeful and Purposeless, he is Chaos and Order, Matter and Anti-matter, Right and Wrong, Beginning and End, Alpla and Omega. In his infinite wisdom created man in his own image (a point a lot of Christians/Muslims fail to appreciate), do you not think that his very cosmic essence and ethereal qualities exists in our human bodies to the point that we possess the exact power-cosmic that God is imbued with? How did the Bible prophets transverse great inter-dimensional distances regardless of their material states to seek audience with GOD.

The existence of Black-Holes in the Universe is a solid scientific fact but it is not founded on the existence or actual sighting of a Black-Hole itself, rather it is detected based on its obviously powerful effect on other celestial bodies close to its Event-Horizon or in its vicinity.

Please lecture me, how has the existence of this All-Everything GOD affected his surrounding creations to the point that you can say when he moves, the earth spins or when he sleeps, people die and when he smiles, babies are born,  there is no latent or potent effect of GOD's existence in this dimension or any dimension since he is conveniently mysterious by nature and unfathomable by character. However as strange as it seems. I can see SATAN's powerful and obviously non-transitory effect on this dimension and it is logically arguable to say SATAN exists because though we cannot see him, we see the effects of his existence. Since the glory-days of GOD in the mythical Paradise of Eden, he seems to have just vanished into cosmic nothingness at the presence of SATAN's glorious paradigm-shaking events from time-immemorial to this present day. so i ask you again, does GOD exists? in this dimension or the next  

I do not wish to allocate much time to respond to the above. You seem to have drawn your conclusions, anyway. But I will like to say that nobody can "prove" to you, through lecturing or any other means, the existence of God. If you are a little less cynical and a little more conscious of your non-material needs, you may find. Anyway, you will find.

Deep Sight:

Do my eyes deceive me? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

We emus liburnica!

I, too, was taken aback when I saw that post. Strange when it's strange to find anyone simply stating a truth which is inscribed in everyone's heart.