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Islam And War! by 1luvkipsus: 1:08pm On Jul 04, 2010
What is d significance of d bomb-like structure built on d 4 corners of mosque?
Re: Islam And War! by Nobody: 1:11pm On Jul 04, 2010
islam is war!!
Re: Islam And War! by nopuqeater: 1:36pm On Jul 04, 2010
Ode babaearly. You need to change your id from baba to infant. If Islam is war, whats Judaism? Whats Christianity if the Bible says from their seeds we shall know them?

You want me to remind your omugo, ode do of Yorubaland about the "wars" that has been spearheaded by Christians and for Christianity? How about the Christian war songs?

You need to never let me read that you are a baba to your name. You are a disgrace to us who are Yorubas. Ti nba wa ni 9ja nba foo bata moo ori dota ara e. Disgrace you the same way the Arab guy wished to disgrace Bush by throwing his dirty shoes. Olopolo oogi!


You dont think at all! Dumb mind.
Re: Islam And War! by Nobody: 9:48pm On Jul 04, 2010
@nopuqeater

so whats up with the suicide bombing thing?
Re: Islam And War! by nopuqeater: 1:21am On Jul 05, 2010
^^^ show me a thing from me that points to "Suicide bombing". Am waiting to read it. Or this is another lie from you?
Re: Islam And War! by vedaxcool(m): 5:19pm On Jul 05, 2010
It is shear madness for any body to claim the Holy Kaaba looks like a bomb.even a child is hardly that ignorant. On the question of what is it significance. First all muslim pray facing towrds it direction hence creating uniformity between muslim from different parts of the world. More importantly it is the sactuary designated as a house of God a holy place in other words. In hope theignorant that claim that islam is war should answer the following questions
1. which religion built the atomic weapons
2. what was hitlers religion
3.what was the religion that the country that used nuclear weapons profess.
4. why didn't the pope condem slavery when it was harming africa.
Re: Islam And War! by jcross19: 11:40pm On Jul 05, 2010
can you ask that from your allah , how did islam came to northern part of africa, western part of africa and the far eat of the africa , if not the missionaries can you know how to read and write? huh okay go to northern part of nigeria and see the bunch of imbeciles and almajiris and see this Qur'an 9:5 "When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, beleaguer them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war
Re: Islam And War! by jcross19: 11:43pm On Jul 05, 2010
or have you forgoten december 24 of 2009 , boko haram and the plateau crisis who behind all these
Re: Islam And War! by nopuqeater: 11:52pm On Jul 05, 2010
Jcross19 forgot about slavery of africans; see the results in america, canada, england, the caribbean, brazil, guyana, all over south america. the english, the portuguese, the dutch, the french, the belgian, the spaniards, etc all participated in it, in the glory of the bible. they oppressed india, china, malaysia, indonesia, philippines. there is no place they did not go, except arabia saudia because it was a complete waste, until the oil was discovered. and then they began with lawrence of arabia to separate, divide one muslim from another so that they can destroy it for the love of christianity and money.
Re: Islam And War! by jcross19: 12:24am On Jul 06, 2010
if you do not know the full meaI=Indoctrination
S=Supremacism
L=Lies
A=Anti-Semitism
M=Murderning of that islam, here it is
Re: Islam And War! by jcross19: 12:31am On Jul 06, 2010
i like what you just said , is there any biblical back up to their act? for the slave trades was not the christians that fought to end the slave trades? can you tell me the story of old fulani empire with utham dan fodio?
Re: Islam And War! by vescucci(m): 12:53am On Jul 06, 2010
Why do you people have to fuel your hate with more hate. It's like a black racist and a white racist fighting. Can they ever reach an understanding? No. So what is the point of this kind of threads? One religion looks better cuz the other looks worse? No religion is superior when it comes down to the acts the followers do or is in their holy books. No one has a right to get on any moral high horse. Especially those ignorant of history and are always caught up in right here and right now. You people should do more important things like actually study your religion or donate to the nearest charity. If you can't say good things, keep quiet. Jeez
Re: Islam And War! by jcross19: 1:19am On Jul 06, 2010
please we call it a thread , where to share different opinion if you are not intrested you can leave
Re: Islam And War! by vedaxcool(m): 1:03pm On Jul 06, 2010
It is quite laughable when some people think insult is a monopoly first why
1.does the staff of the pope look like a missile luncher
2. Why did the bible order the jews to kill all the Amaleks including man women child livestock and even tree that are inocent, this in fact was the first recorded case of genocide.
3. why did the xtains of rwanda massacared themselves.
4. Why are catholic priest raping child including the def, and others with special needs?
5. Why did jesus call peter the devil?
6. Why do protestant and catholic in ireland kill themselves
7. Is it reasonable for God to frogive sins without any real change from his servants i mean u say blood of jesus clears all sin why is it that you still sin after believing in it?
8. Was Jesus? according to the bible correct when he address his mother as woman?
9. was Jesus? according to the bible right for call non Jews pigs?
10. What did xtianity do to stop slavery
I can go on on but why do you people think your arguement when insults are in it for your information in Islam the Qur an warns believers " do not insult the unbeliever lest in their ignorance they insult ALLAH. You people should learn some manners as all this insult you hurl only expose you lack of moral belief
Re: Islam And War! by vedaxcool(m): 1:39pm On Jul 06, 2010
i am waiting. It sejavascript:void(0);ems as if there is no one with the intellectual grin prowess to grapple with my questions.
Re: Islam And War! by TheClown: 3:22pm On Jul 06, 2010
Tabari IX:69 "Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah's helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us."
Re: Islam And War! by TheClown: 3:24pm On Jul 06, 2010
God help us!!!!!!!!! cry
Re: Islam And War! by TheClown: 3:29pm On Jul 06, 2010
Ishaq:578 "Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet's fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory."

Tabari IX:22[b] "The Prophet continued to besiege the town, fighting them bitterly." [/b]

Tabari IX:25 "By Allah, I did not come to fight for nothing. I wanted a victory over Ta'if so that I might obtain a slave girl from them and make her pregnant."
Re: Islam And War! by TheClown: 3:33pm On Jul 06, 2010
Muslim:C10B1N176[b] "Muhammad (may peace be upon him) sent us in a raiding party. We raided Huraqat in the morning. I caught hold of a man and he said: 'There is no god but Allah,' but I attacked him with a spear anyway. It once occurred to me that I should ask the Apostle about this. The Messenger said: 'Did he profess "There is no god but Allah," and even then you killed him?' I said: 'He made a profession out of the fear of the weapon I was threatening him with.' The Prophet said: 'Did you tear out his heart in order to find out whether it had professed truly or not?'"[/b]
Re: Islam And War! by TheClown: 3:37pm On Jul 06, 2010
Bukhari:V5B59N288 "I witnessed a scene that was dearer to me than anything I had ever seen. Aswad came to the Prophet while Muhammad was urging the Muslims to fight the pagans. He said, 'We shall fight on your right and on your left and in front of you and behind you.' I saw the face of the Prophet getting bright with happiness, for that saying delighted him."
Re: Islam And War! by TheClown: 3:41pm On Jul 06, 2010
Ishaq:326 "Allah said, 'No Prophet before Muhammad took booty from his enemy nor prisoners for ransom.' Muhammad said, 'I was made victorious with terror. The earth was made a place for me to clean. I was given the most powerful words. Booty was made lawful for me. I was given the power to intercede. These five privileges were awarded to no prophet before me.'"
Ishaq:327[b] "Allah said, 'A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives.[/b] A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.'"
Re: Islam And War! by TheClown: 3:44pm On Jul 06, 2010
God help us, I take my leave.
Re: Islam And War! by vedaxcool(m): 5:05pm On Jul 06, 2010
For a clown you like a big bore please come out with a more funny joke. Now on the Numerous lies you wrote one thing is that was it
1.Jesus that said those who will not let me prvail upon them slay them
2. Jesus(in the bible): I came to bring division upon to the earth.
3. Was not xtians that killed themselves in Rwanda
3. Was it not Xtians that massacred the north American indians.
4. Was it not xtians that fougght: Thirty Years' War was one of the most destructive conflicts in European history. The war was fought primarily (though not exclusively) in what is now Germany and at various points involved most of the countries of Europe. Naval warfare also reached overseas and shaped the colonial formation of future nations.

The origins of the conflict and goals of the participants were complex and no single cause can accurately be described as the main reason for the fighting. Initially the war was fought largely as a religious conflict between Protestants and Catholics in the Holy Roman Empire, although disputes over the internal politics and balance of power within the Empire played a significant part. Gradually, the war developed into a more general conflict involving most of the European powers.[9][10] In this general phase, the war became more a continuation of the Bourbon-Habsburg rivalry for European political pre-eminence, and in turn led to further warfare between France and the Habsburg powers, and less specifically about religion.[11]

A major impact of the Thirty Years' War was the extensive destruction of entire regions, denuded by the foraging armies (bellum se ipsum alet). Episodes of famine and disease significantly decreased the populace of the German states, Bohemia, the Low Countries and Italy, while bankrupting most of the combatant powers. While the regiments within each army were not strictly mercenary in that they were not guns for hire that changed sides from battle to battle, the individual soldiers that made up the regiments for the most part probably were. The problem of discipline was made more difficult still by the ad hoc nature of 17th century military financing. Armies were expected to be largely self-funding from loot taken or tribute extorted from the settlements where they operated. This encouraged a form of lawlessness that imposed often severe hardship on inhabitants of the occupied territory. Some of the quarrels that provoked the war went unresolved for a much longer time. The Thirty Years' War was ended with the treaties of Osnabrück and Münster, part of the wider Peace of Westphalia.[
Re: Islam And War! by TheClown: 5:22pm On Jul 06, 2010
Mr Vedaxcool

Are you a Muslim or just a sympathizer? All the materials I posted above are from Prophet Mohammad's Sunna and the references are there! How come you don't know where the materials came from? Or is it that you just profess to be a Muslim and know nothing about other Islamic literature apart from the Quran? Are you that ignorant or you just prefer to deny those quotes by claiming ignorance? Okay, do you prefer me to quote from the Quran? I'm surprised! Maybe you are not worth it afterall.
Re: Islam And War! by nopuqeater: 4:40am On Jul 07, 2010
@jcross19: « #9 on: Yesterday at 12:24:31 AM »
if you do not know the full meaI=Indoctrination
S=Supremacism
L=Lies
A=Anti-Semitism
M=Murderning of that islam, here it is
Just to show how ridiculous your above is, i can do the same with your name and you can imagine how easy it is to do the same with CHRISTIANITY.
j = joker of a man
c = cant look at anything logically
r = really unable to function without being a prop of the lying pastors
o - original liar
s = sometimes i wonder if there is any human quality in him.
s = so i conclude that he is just as vile as the book that lies on God and His Messengers.
1 = 1 of the people who say God is 3
9 = 9 lives the cat has, ut it will die, so what chance does a man with less than that has to say he will not die and be thrown into hell for his lies


« #10 on: Yesterday at 12:31:22 AM »
i like what you just said , is there any biblical back up to their act?
Are you denying that the Bible did not allow one person to be a master of his slaves, or are you saying that christianity came to abolish slavery? Jesus called some people slaves, and he is a master of both the slave owner and the slaves, according to your Bible. It is obvios that slaves were acquired of the people defeated in the OT under Moses, and many others.


for the slave trades was not the christians that fought to end the slave trades?
fighting to stop something will not inure them from starting it. Did christianity, the Bible and christians participated in slavery? Yes. Does the Bible preach against slavery? No. so what are you saying here?


can you tell me the story of old fulani empire with utham dan fodio?
Fulani is not a group i studied their lives. Apart from their women, i have no need to look at their history. And Fulani does not represent Islam. Islam is a worldwide movement. So only via your ignorance you will be make the leap of fate that whereever Fulani goes, does islam. If fulani were good muslims, they willa ct according to Quran and Sunnah. We cant say if Islam is a good religion, the action of the fulanis will tell us what it is.
Re: Islam And War! by nopuqeater: 4:45am On Jul 07, 2010
@jcross19: « #12 on: Yesterday at 01:19:24 AM »
please we call it a thread , where to share different opinion if you are not intrested you can leave
and while we are sharing, semites cant be anti semitic, since Arabs and indeed all muslims and many other tribes in africa are semites and jews are not the only semites. take note.
Re: Islam And War! by aletheia(m): 5:07am On Jul 07, 2010
1luvkipsus:

What is d significance of d bomb-like structure built on d 4 corners of mosque?
babaearly:

islam is war!!
Is not more like a phallic symbol rather than a bomb-like structure. I think babaearly probably knows the significance of that!

Re: Islam And War! by nopuqeater: 5:24am On Jul 07, 2010
@The Clown:« #15 on: Yesterday at 03:22:19 PM »  
Tabari IX:69 "Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah's helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us."
If the book of Tabari or any book that claims to be for Islam is taking as wholesale truth, without each part agreeing with Quran, then we will have that Quran and that book, on the same level, Which one is above the other, absolutely the truth, which the other must explain its content, and cant have its own statement? It is the Quran. So where does Quran says Arabs are higher than anyone, just being arabs? if it is so, then all the disbeliving arabs, the christians and jews, etc will be higher in the face of Islam than the non arab muslims! but that is not so. Ethiopians accepted Islam before madina, or at least 10 years before the whole of Makka. So tabari speaker, who he so much quoted his statement has no basis for his statement, and he is nameless, and the statement does not come from Muhammad (As) so it fails to qualify as hadith, and since it is against the contant of Quran, it is a false statement, for among the irst to accept islam were non arabs; Shuib from Rome, Bilal from Ethiopia, Salman from Iran, Abdulsalaam a jew, just to name a few. and it is very interesting tat neither Bukhari ans Muslim, the two foremost in collection of ahadith were not arabs.


« #17 on: Yesterday at 03:29:47 PM »  
Ishaq:578 "Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet's fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory."

Tabari IX:22 "The Prophet continued to besiege the town, fighting them bitterly."

Tabari IX:25 "By Allah, I did not come to fight for nothing. I wanted a victory over Ta'if so that I might obtain a slave girl from them and make her pregnant."
There is no word in Arabic or the Quran that fits the bolded, Infidel. And there is or are no name[s] of te speaker. Tabari, ishaq, etc are just writers who wrote what they heard and may not apply the rules of congruency to Quran. for anything that differs or depart from Quran, can we accept it as part of Islam? of course not. I am not at all aying that there were no wars or death in Islam of muslims and non muslims alike. afterall, the battle of Huud, muslims were killed more than the disbelievers, and the disbelievers won, even thought that they killed the Messenger, but definitely killed his Uncle hamzah (ra). so when we look at the battle of huud, do we still say the above applies to the muslims or the pagans?
Re: Islam And War! by nopuqeater: 6:03am On Jul 07, 2010
@The Clown:« #18 on: Yesterday at 03:33:33 PM »
Muslim:C10B1N176 "Muhammad (may peace be upon him) sent us in a raiding party. We raided Huraqat in the morning. I caught hold of a man and he said: 'There is no god but Allah,' but I attacked him with a spear anyway. It once occurred to me that I should ask the Apostle about this. The Messenger said: 'Did he profess "There is no god but Allah," and even then you killed him?' I said: 'He made a profession out of the fear of the weapon I was threatening him with.' The Prophet said: 'Did you tear out his heart in order to find out whether it had professed truly or not?'"
Is this a prophet who killed without regards to life, and living, mercy, and second chance? There is no place where Islam says anyone on eath, muslim and non muslim can kill any one, muslim and non muslims except that it says such an act on an innocent sou is like wiping out the whole of mankind and if one preserves a life, it is like the life of the whole mankind.


« #19 on: Yesterday at 03:37:05 PM »
Bukhari:V5B59N288 "I witnessed a scene that was dearer to me than anything I had ever seen. Aswad came to the Prophet while Muhammad was urging the Muslims to fight the pagans. He said, 'We shall fight on your right and on your left and in front of you and behind you.' I saw the face of the Prophet getting bright with happiness, for that saying delighted him."
before one analyses this, it will be worhy to note that the companions of the messenger (AS) were people who were firm in their faith in Islam and believed, trusted the prophet implicitly, even as teir leader. Compare that to the betrayer, denier, the crumbling rock who were the individuals that surrounded jesus. No wonder he referred to them as people of little faith and unable to handle what he had to say, which eventually passed to the "another comforter". did you noticed that even as jesus told his followers with all the "bags" that they had, and those who didnt had to buy swords, yet they couldnt fight a mere mob who came with clubs and nothing more but just shear number. yet muslims had nothing but strong faith in Allah, the followership of His Messneger (AS) thugh ill prepared with the least of means were able to overcome all odds thrown to them by their enemies.


« #20 on: Yesterday at 03:41:27 PM »
Ishaq:326 "Allah said, 'No Prophet before Muhammad took booty from his enemy nor prisoners for ransom.' Muhammad said, 'I was made victorious with terror. The earth was made a place for me to clean. I was given the most powerful words. Booty was made lawful for me. I was given the power to intercede. These five privileges were awarded to no prophet before me.'" ]/quote]The operative word here is "Ransome". To ransome is a form of showing mercy. Allah did not want Muhammad to do anything of his own with Instruction from his Creator, the reason this statement was revealed afer the battle of Badr, where the captives were being ransomed for whatever talent they have, including teaching the illiterate muslims. Tell me which prophet of the Bible had upperhand and show mercy? Tell me including the "Christ" yur god.


Ishaq:327 "Allah said, 'A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.'"
The Clown, just what I said about Ransome about, this here gives us the essence of it; in every battle the army of the prophet must kill at least one person so that the people run away in fear and therefore allows for collection of the booty of the war. Read all about Moses in your Bible. And it is only Muhammad who wished by his own desire to ransome people captured so that they can return to their people. Allah had His plan which must be Implimented, the reason the Creator told him what Moses did in the wars, must be done, wthout the overkill that was done in the Bible. Truly what Moses did.
Re: Islam And War! by nopuqeater: 6:10am On Jul 07, 2010
@The Clown: « #23 on: Yesterday at 05:22:29 PM »
Mr Vedaxcool

Are you a Muslim or just a sympathizer? All the materials I posted above are from Prophet Mohammad's Sunna and the references are there! How come you don't know where the materials came from? Or is it that you just profess to be a Muslim and know nothing about other Islamic literature apart from the Quran? Are you that ignorant or you just prefer to deny those quotes by claiming ignorance? Okay, do you prefer me to quote from the Quran? I'm surprised! Maybe you are not worth it afterall.
Hey clown, give us the narating chains of the ahadith or if you say they are sunnah. For evry sunnah or hadith must have a chain og narators, leading directly to the companions who wil say on this ocassion and at this place I heard the prophet say, such and such.
Re: Islam And War! by TheClown: 5:07pm On Jul 07, 2010
Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."

Qur'an:9:14 "Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them."

Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."

Qur'an:9:38 "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place."

Qur'an:9:123 "Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you."

Qur'an:9:19 "Do you make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Mosque, equal to those who fight in the Cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah. Those who believe, and left their homes, striving with might, fighting in Allah's Cause with their goods and their lives, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah."

Qur'an:5:94 "Believers, Allah will make a test for you in the form of a little game in which you reach out for your lances. Any who fails this test will have a grievous punishment."

Qur'an:2:246 "He said: 'Would you refrain from fighting if fighting were prescribed for you?' They said: 'How could we refuse to fight in Allah's Cause?'"

Qur'an:61:2 "O Muslims, why say one thing and do another? Grievously odious and hateful is it in the sight of Allah that you say that which you do not. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in a battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure."

Qur'an:4:77 "Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold from fighting, perform the prayer and pay the zakat. But when orders for fighting were issued, a party of them feared men as they ought to have feared Allah. They say: 'Our Lord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory?'"

Qur'an:4:77 "Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold from fighting, perform the prayer and pay the zakat. But when orders for fighting were issued, a party of them feared men as they ought to have feared Allah. They say: 'Our Lord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory?'"
Re: Islam And War! by TheClown: 5:09pm On Jul 07, 2010
Qur'an:8:67[b] "It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land."[/b]


You may continue grabbing for straws, I'm off.

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