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Do Miracles Exist? by AbbeyDaniels(m): 1:28am On Sep 27, 2018
First, I am writing this as a Christian full with the power of the Holy Spirit. I received the gift of speaking in tongues on June 1st 2016, at exactly 12:00a.m immediately I was to start my daily mid-night prayers. So this write-up is not to pull down the Christian faith (which I am proud of) or ridicule the power of the Holy Spirit nor to portray myself as being righteous. And to the Glory of God, I still receive the blessings of the Spirit till this day, so before you see the negativity in this article, please do endeavour to read down and see where I am going with the question I posed and understand where I am heading at.

According to the Pew Research Center , Nigeria has the largest Christian population of any country in Africa, with more than 80 million persons in Nigeria belonging to different church denominations in the country. 68% of this Christian population are in the southern part of the country.
The most thriving and growing denomination is the Pentecostal churches in threapuntry, many of which are domiciled virtually everywhere with a population of 1 church to three thousand, eight hundred and seventy members, provided the church population is distributed evenly with the number of churches in the country. This statistics is to show you how much churches there are in our country and how ‘religious’ we are that religion has become the rationale for our mode of working, and sometimes is substituted in place of common sense. For the purpose of this write up, I will make use of some biblical quotes to back up my points.

In Galatians 6 vs 7, the scripture said ‘…God cannot be mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he shall reap’ (KJV) but sadly, today, our Christian populace has changed the narrative of the scripture and resorted to getting things the easy way out. They now expect to reap where they have not sowed, and even sometimes, sowing sparingly and expecting to reap bountifully. This is not gainsaying, it is the truth. And for the cause of this write-up, I interviewed some frequent church goers to know the psyche they have about our ‘miracle working God’ who would bless them even without any input whatsoever from their own.

Emma is a 24 year old undergraduate student of the University of Lagos, Nigeria’s most prestigious university. He confirmed that he gained admission to study at the university after three years of waiting until God intervened through one of the night vigils he attended before his post UTME exam. He said ‘I had previously tried to study at Unilag but I was denied admission the two times I did post UTME, so I told myself I was just going to try once more with the same school and if it doesn’t work out, I’ll try another school’. His father is a priest in the church he attended and that had a great effect on his religious being. ‘ So in one of our night vigils, I told God to help me get admission this last time to the school and if He doesn’t, I will accept it as my destiny and try out other schools. But this time, to my greatest surprise, not only did I pass the exam, but I was also admitted. Now I’m in my 300 level advancing to the next’. Asked if his ‘miraculous’ pass was because of his vigil vow or his preparedness, he said it was all down to his vigil vow and not preparedness. ‘I had prepared for other past exams but I did not pass. So this time that I took it to God, it was something else. In fact, a day before the exam, I was supposed to be studying, but I chose to go the revival we were having at our church then and it was great’. He passed. God had secured his admission for him miraculously, for ‘what man cannot do, God can do much more’, he said.

Emma’s issue above is quite interesting in one part and in the other part, maybe very stupid, but brave. First, he had prepared for the same exam before and he failed, so preparedness may not be key to success this time around so he resorted to a mightier power than he had and it paid off. But many had more interesting story than his. Mr. Lucky, as his name implies, is indeed lucky, and he shared his own miracle story with us.

‘My wife had just delivered and we have spent all we had on the baby’s naming ceremony but we were trusting God to help us with our house rent as our landlord promised to send us out of the room we occupied if we couldn’t pay him in a month’s time. He pitied us till that time because he knew we had spent all we had on our baby’s naming ceremony. But God works in mysterious ways. We later paid him two years rent instead of one year which we normally pay’.

Mr. Lucky said he was able to get the money after he had sowed a seed of faith in Church a Sunday after the landlord’s warning. ‘The man of God prayed for us after sowing our seed. It was the last money with me but I knew I couldn’t multiply it or let it work for me anyhow so sowing it as a seed was easy. My wife already prepared what to eat before leaving for church that day, so he had no trouble with me using my last cash as a seed. And has God would have it, that seed opened many doors for me. That same day, my in-law called me that he had a job for me and paid sixty percent of the total cost of the job even before I started. Though I didn’t later do the job as the contract was cancelled, but he never worried me about paying back the money to him. He insisted I kept the money and till today, he does not want to talk about the money’. Mr. Lucky’s testimony is now two years ago. His rent is due this coming December and he still expects the same miracle. ‘ My brother, who can question the ways of God?’ He asked after I enquired how he intends to renew his rent. He continued further ‘Even the prophet that came that time will be holding a new fire revival in our church next month. If he wants me to empty my account for him, I will gladly do it so far as I am doing it for the good of the house of God’. This is how much Mr. Lucky believes his luck can work for him again. But then, one would be made to wonder what the scripture meant when it said faith without works is dead.

Like Mr. Lucky, there are many Christians in the country who believe in getting this miraculous bail-out from their many issues. Whilst some of these people work out their faith in getting the desired result, many others totally leave their all for God to bare. Mrs. Ajulo is one of such who resorted to totally leave out the working of their faith to God. Her husband now keeps late night And is no more loving to his own family. Some times, he even beats his wife if she decides to try to speak to him to change his ways. The issue seems diabolical and spiritual So she faced it all hands spiritually. She joined one of the white garment churches in her area and began praying for her husband to change his ways. At first, the result seemed promising but became unbearable after some time. In her words, ‘I had just joined the church at the end of our street that even people were amazed to see me go to church but I was not deterred. I knew why I had gone there and what I want to achieve. And after about three weeks, I noticed my husband started changing for the good of myself and our kids. He started eating my food and I was happy with the outcome but all of a sudden, he changed again. It was then I knew the case is not ordinary. I had not stopped going to church so I continued with my prayers but till now he is yet to change. But I’m sure God will change him again to be the loving husband that I married’.

Like the American movie, ‘War Room’, Mrs. Ajulo faced the devil head on And initially conquered but now it seems the victory has been thrown down the side of the devil. What could have caused a change in result? Now, she does night vigils in the church three days of the seven in every week and sometimes, even go forty days night vigil straight with numerous days of dey fasting. That is the extent she would go to ensure victory and seal it. But her neighbours see her victory living somewhere else.

‘She has to learn to respect her husband and make life easy and bearable for the man’, Eunice, a co-tenant in the same building said. ‘Most times, this woman would harass her husband after he comes back from work and was making the man restless. The man had to start staying in clubs and bars drinking till late night before coming home. But later we saw the wife had changed. She was going to the church at the end of our street and we thought God had taken control of their family but it seems the woman had sent the man outside again. She now frequents church And sleeps in church more than she sleeps at home. Some times, it is the husband that would bath, feed and take the children to school because their mother is in church doing night vigil. I just pity the children and the husband. He seems caring enough for that kind of woman’. Other neighbours see from Eunice’s point of view and suspect the woman is the architect of her own misfortune which she now seeks solution for.

Going further, I met young Juliet, a worker at the Ogun state secretariat who just received her own miracle. Last week was her birthday and God used her boyfriend to surprise her. He got her a tokunbo Honda Accord car. She needed one to elevate her status in the society and to ease transportation to and fro work for her. And God answered just at the right time and now, she owns one of The hottest rides in town. ‘I am now a proud car owner’, she said, flinging the car keys at me with a bunch of other keys for her house and her shop. ‘I pray this kind of blessing for hard-working people like me too’, she said smiling at how much she has achieved at a young age compared to her peers and the sound of ‘Amen, me too’ echoed the office building we were in. Five out of the seven of us in that office were ladies her own age. They are all level five workers at the state secretariat.
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Re: Do Miracles Exist? by AbbeyDaniels(m): 1:31am On Sep 27, 2018
In Nigeria, poverty rate is among the highest in the world. Just recently, it was designated the poverty capital of the world by a report from the Brookings Institution, overtaking India. In the report, “At the end of May 2018, our trajectories suggest that Nigeria had about 87 million people in extreme poverty, compared with India’s 73 million. What is more, extreme poverty in Nigeria is growing by six people every minute, while poverty in India continues to fall.” And while churches continue to grow and expand, the standard of living continues to decline in the country. The people have now totally left out what needs to be done to God to take care of. Miracle jobs, spouses, finances, amidst other expectations are now the hopes of an average Nigerian, giving more credence to the President’s assertion of the youths as being ‘lazy’.
In this report, there are other cases of people who totally left all and expected miracles but were left wandering when it seemed their miracles were not forthcoming. One of such people is Faith, a 29 year old lady trusting the Lord for a spouse. She is in her sixth church now after several programmes for searching singles were started in those churches she had become a member. Asked what she had done to seek and attract the love of her life to her, she responded that she believed everything happens at God’s own time. She is not on Facebook or other social media and rarely uses her phone. Her name has such strong hold on her that you cannot but help wonder how strong one’s Faith could be in this turbulent time of hers. Like her is Tunde, a 32 year old graduate of Botany who is seeking for employment. He said he ‘visits’ the church often so he can get connections with the ‘men that matter’ in town so they can fix him a good job. He attends one of the prosperity-preaching churches at Abeokuta where men come to church with their SUVs every Sunday showcasing their beautiful families for all to glare to the Glory of God. Asked what he does when he doesn’t go to church for ‘connection’, Tunde says he reads the newspapers at the newsstands everyday seeking job openings and vacancies. Also asked when was the last time he saw or applied for one, he said the ones he saw were not in his locality and the ones that are located within his vicinity don’t pay much to keep body and soul together. Currently, he plays sports bet (gambles) and stakes on high odds to increase his chances of becoming a millionaire sooner than expected. He hopes to win his first million before February next year.
Like all who have been mentioned in this report, there are millions of other Nigerians living almost the same lifestyle or prototype lifestyles of the people mentioned. Messages of blessings and miracles are their forte. It is what they listen to every Sunday, and see the effects of these ‘miracles’ as one senator who has just benefited from the proceeds of a graft can gift his young lover any expensive gift So far as she can show him much love than he has been getting. Juliet’s boyfriend and lover is a serving lawmaker in the country’s red chambers.
So while I believe in miracles, I do not believe in magic neither do I subscribe to the Nigerian definition of miracles because it is what God cannot do-magic. We cannot expect God to perform magic on our behalf when we fail to do what needs to be done at the right time. It is this belief that makes most Nigerian church-bound because they expect some form of magic from God. And as I quoted earlier, do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. Whatever a man sows he shall reap (Gal 6:7 KJV).
This piece is written by Abiodun Olumide Daniels and I retain the copyright to it.
Please note that all the names in this write up has been changed to protect the identities of the interviewed persons.
Re: Do Miracles Exist? by WetinConsignMe: 3:31am On Sep 27, 2018
What a fool question.
U have to first define "miracle"
The Lord Jesus (and also almost all human gurus) say we have the power to manifest anything if we have FAITH enough. That's simply how the universe is set up.
Re: Do Miracles Exist? by orisa37: 4:37am On Sep 27, 2018
Direct intervention of The Supreme Spirit in our Life, Discernment and Understanding exists everytime. God gives The Discerning Spirit to understand Life.
Re: Do Miracles Exist? by AbbeyDaniels(m): 8:48am On Sep 27, 2018
WetinConsignMe:
What a fool question.
U have to first define "miracle"
The Lord Jesus (and also almost all human gurus) say we have the power to manifest anything if we have FAITH enough. That's simply how the universe is set up.
Hey, mister, you know you could have just tried to finish reading up the article before jumping to comment, right? Now, let's go back to what you wrote.

I didn't say I do not believe in miracles, but rather that I do not subscribe to the kind of miracles we believe in here. That kind of miracles you expect when you go to vigil a day before your exams without proper preparation and hope God helps you pass because you have done what He wants from you, neglecting that He also needs you to do a bit of the work yourself. Or have you forgotten that Faith without works is dead?

So please, try to read the piece again and understand what I am trying to get at. Don't just comment by the 'look' or 'feel' of the question, but rather by understanding where I'm heading to.

In a nutshell, do miracles exist? Yes. But God does not do magic-miracles that many of us have been wired to believe in and wave our hands to every Sunday in church.
Re: Do Miracles Exist? by AbbeyDaniels(m): 9:05am On Sep 27, 2018
orisa37:
Direct intervention of The Supreme Spirit in our Life, Discernment and Understanding exists everytime. God gives The Discerning Spirit to understand Life.
Thank you. Just that one word: The discerning spirit to understand life.
There are principles that guard everything created and how they are meant to operate. Even in the spiritual realm, orders MUST be followed. This understanding alone helps you understand that whilst God can do all things, He won't and will never do 'your' thing that needs your input for you.

Let's take another instance. A woman seeking The fruit of the womb and attending vigils seeking it. (Please I am NOT against vigils from my consistent use of it, albeit in the negative, but just trying to nail my point home directly) If such a woman knows her husband only has time for intimacy with her at that same night and chose to go to vigils to get pregnant, you and I know that God wouldn't do a second Mary. The world is still dealing with the controversies arising from the first since ages past and have not gone over it. Doing a second one is totally out of it. But can He not do it? Of course, He can. But He has nothing to prove again, so while He can do it, He won't do it. You have to do your thing yourself and get pregnant. It is just the way it is. Order.

If we delve into this piece further(I really didn't finish as I had to type at the middle of the night on bed with my phone), I had wanted to write about some of the way our magic-beliefs have affected the way we think and reason in this country such that even in elections and the country, we want God's kind of perfect leader but wouldn't vote because we expect that someday we will get that leader by praying him into position. I did over twenty interviews for this small write up and over a hundred and fifty researches to understand what damage this belief has on our system, and believe me, it is killing us daily if we stop being pragmatic to issues and let the spiritual take over without doing our bit.

There are many things to write, time and chance may not permit me. I have a personal goal to fulfill daily and as I understand from what you wrote, you can comprehend better from the little in these lines and understand the point of the question.

Do have a lovely time ahead. Danke!

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Re: Do Miracles Exist? by Hier(m): 9:21am On Sep 27, 2018
too lengthy, always go straight to the point. leave the suffixes and prefixes out. I wanted to answer the question to be sincere and if you can ask the question, I might attempt answering. You almost wrote a novel up there
Re: Do Miracles Exist? by orisa37: 11:53am On Sep 27, 2018
May God bless U & keep U.
God always helps us but doesn't always or at anytime accompany us holding cutlass to go to Farm with us.
The Bible tells us to work and pray and you can also reverse it to pray and work.
God is our Instructor, our Director and our Discernment. We get Wisdom when God instructs us, Knowledge when He directs us and Understanding when He discerns us.
All this means that you don't get Wisdom until God has trained you how to receive, understand and use it. God does these at His Pleasures.
We are all to God the Instruments of His Instructions and Directives to serve His Pleasures.
He needed a well framed Virgin to convey Him to the Earth. He prepared Mary for the Trip. He has come once. We all witnessed Him come, act, interacted, moved around, died as Son of man and resurrected as Son of God. The Holy Spirit marybenzed to Earth, made Grace available to us who understand and jetted up to His Supreme Spirit Home in Heavenly Apparel.
Eve didn't pray for Cain. She had him by the Serpent.
Zachariah and Elizabeth at their old age had John to serve God's Pleasures.
Hannah prayed and had Samuel.
Only The Discerning Spirit proves these as Miracles to serve God's Pleasures.
God sent Moses to Egypt, hardened the heart of Pharaol until 10 Miracles were performed to counter the magics of the Egyptian Sorcerers.
In other words, only Saints, not Sinners with the Discerning Spirits of The Supreme Spirit can distinguish and understand all these as Miracles.

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Re: Do Miracles Exist? by WetinConsignMe: 3:23pm On Sep 27, 2018
AbbeyDaniels:

Hey, mister, you know you could have just tried to finish reading up the article before jumping to comment, right? Now, let's go back to what you wrote.

I didn't say I do not believe in miracles, but rather that I do not subscribe to the kind of miracles we believe in here. That kind of miracles you expect when you go to vigil a day before your exams without proper preparation and hope God helps you pass because you have done what He wants from you, neglecting that He also needs you to do a bit of the work yourself. Or have you forgotten that Faith without works is dead?

So please, try to read the piece again and understand what I am trying to get at. Don't just comment by the 'look' or 'feel' of the question, but rather by understanding where I'm heading to.

In a nutshell, do miracles exist? Yes. But God does not do magic-miracles that many of us have been wired to believe in and wave our hands to every Sunday in church.

I simply asked u to define miracle. There is no such thing as "miracle". The universe is set up
under certain rules. One of them is that if u have enough faith anything is possible. If u believe enough that drinking urine will cure your cancer, if u drink urine your cancer will be cured. It is not a "miracle" just as placebo effect is not a miracle.
Re: Do Miracles Exist? by orisa37: 9:14pm On Sep 27, 2018
"Let--- There---Be. Instruction---Direction---Discernment.
And there was Light(Interest, Motivation etc); Goodness(Beauty, Improvement, Expansion etc); and Life(feelings, thinking, reasoning, actions, interaction and movements). God created this Order by moulding Adam and putting His Breath(Conscience) in Him.

Even though humans are made in His Image, He knew us first before we knew Him. We are not equal with God. We are born like The Son of Man, so we are Jesuses to God. These are principles that guard human creation and how they are meant to operate.

Let's take another instance. A woman seeking The fruit of the womb and attending vigils seeking it. (Please I am NOT against vigils from my consistent use of it, albeit in the negative, but just trying to nail my point home directly) If such a woman knows her husband only has time for intimacy with her at that same night and chose to go to vigils to get pregnant, you and I know that God wouldn't do a second Mary.
Hannah, The Mother of Samuel is a very fitting example of this and it was a Resounding Miracle. The Bible didn't tell us that Zachariah went home to mate with Elizabeth. Their sperms and spermatozeae were dried up but they had Miracle son, John The Baptist.

Miracle is a special manifestation of God, a sign of God's Power. A miracle is much more than a supernatural event for it is a special sign also.

For example:-

1; The Plagues of Egypt and the Manna sent to feed the Israelites.
2; A character of a Miracle rests upon a Prediction such as God's Promise to send them "Bread from Heaven". Exo:16:4.
3; Here are some indisputable Miracles and periods of Miracles in the Bible:-
4; The Creation.
5; The Deluge.
6; Moses in Egypt.
7; The Crossing of The Red Sea.
8; Moses and Joshua Era.
9; God in His own writing gave The 10 Commandments.
10; Elijah and Elisha.
11; Daniel, Shadriak etc and Mene mene tekel parsin in God's own Hand on the wall.
12; Jesus-The Faith.
13; He wrote The Book of Hebrew Himself,
14; He walked on the sea.
15; He taught us that with Faith as much as The Grain of Mustard seed, we shall move mountains and I believe.
Re: Do Miracles Exist? by orisa37: 4:23am On Sep 28, 2018
Modern Miracles are:-
1; Electricity and Electronics Knowledge and improvements thereon.
2; Bridges and all forms of Bridge-Buildings and Developments.
3; Boreholes and Mining Tech and Developements.
4; Clonings, IVF and DNAs.
5; Continuing Existence.
6; Expectation of Endtime and
New Jerusalem.
These are new Miracles in Life nowadays.
If you keep thinking the way you are, A MIRACLE WILL HAPPEN. IT IS A MIRACLE. AND THAT IS WHY WE KEEP PRAYING.
Dreams fulfilled in our Lives are Miracles.
Good morning.

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Re: Do Miracles Exist? by AbbeyDaniels(m): 9:15am On Sep 28, 2018
WetinConsignMe:


I simply asked u to define miracle. There is no such thing as "miracle". The universe is set up
under certain rules. One of them is that if u have enough faith anything is possible. If u believe enough that drinking urine will cure your cancer, if u drink urine your cancer will be cured. It is not a "miracle" just as placebo effect is not a miracle.
Good point you raised there.
Neglecting your question for me to define "miracle", I'll delve into your salient point.
You opined that if I (or anyone) believes enough that drinking urine will cure my (or their) cancer, then the cancer will be cured. That is all I need to make my point. There was an action performed based on my Faith. I just did not believe drinking urine will cure my cancer. I went ahead to drink it.

Now, let's go back to the OP, does miracles exist? I said yes, but baseless miracles, which are what we are wired as Nigerians to believe in, do not exist. In an essence, it is more like saying there's no such thing as miracle baby when you have not done your bit to conceive (to conceive, you need to get laid), or saying there's no such thing as passing an exam miraculously when you have not studied hard enough or prepared yourself enough, to pass. The least I can remember for now is that God cannot come from His throne to write your papers for you or send His angels to write your papers on your behalf. It is never possible.

Even moving further, I have had a 'testimony' of someone who said he miraculously passed an exam he didn't seat for. How did that happen? Well, if you ask me, it is NOT a miracle. It is magic. Something is definitely fishy.

Now finally, to define miracle, I'll say 'it is the working of a divine means' (Quote mine)
Re: Do Miracles Exist? by AbbeyDaniels(m): 9:18am On Sep 28, 2018
orisa37:
Modern Miracles are:-
1; Electricity and Electronics Knowledge and improvements thereon.
2; Bridges and all forms of Bridge-Buildings and Developments.
3; Boreholes and Mining Tech and Developements.
4; Clonings, IVF and DNAs.
5; Continuing Existence.
6; Expectation of Endtime and
New Jerusalem.
These are new Miracles in Life nowadays.
If you keep thinking the way you are, A MIRACLE WILL HAPPEN. IT IS A MIRACLE. AND THAT IS WHY WE KEEP PRAYING.
Dreams fulfilled in our Lives are Miracles.
Good morning.
Are all those things you mentioned miracles? To me, they are. They are miracles because they help do the hitherto 'undoables', So they are miracles. They have a base for the workings/operations. They are based on principles for the manifestation of their result.
Re: Do Miracles Exist? by AbbeyDaniels(m): 9:31am On Sep 28, 2018
orisa37:
"Let--- There---Be. Instruction---Direction---Discernment.
And there was Light(Interest, Motivation etc); Goodness(Beauty, Improvement, Expansion etc); and Life(feelings, thinking, reasoning, actions, interaction and movements). God created this Order by moulding Adam and putting His Breath(Conscience) in Him.

Even though humans are made in His Image, He knew us first before we knew Him. We are not equal with God. We are born like The Son of Man, so we are Jesuses to God. These are principles that guard human creation and how they are meant to operate.

Let's take another instance. A woman seeking The fruit of the womb and attending vigils seeking it. (Please I am NOT against vigils from my consistent use of it, albeit in the negative, but just trying to nail my point home directly) If such a woman knows her husband only has time for intimacy with her at that same night and chose to go to vigils to get pregnant, you and I know that God wouldn't do a second Mary.
Hannah, The Mother of Samuel is a very fitting example of this and it was a Resounding Miracle. The Bible didn't tell us that Zachariah went home to mate with Elizabeth. Their sperms and spermatozeae were dried up but they had Miracle son, John The Baptist.

Miracle is a special manifestation of God, a sign of God's Power. A miracle is much more than a supernatural event for it is a special sign also.

For example:-

1; The Plagues of Egypt and the Manna sent to feed the Israelites.
2; A character of a Miracle rests upon a Prediction such as God's Promise to send them "Bread from Heaven". Exo:16:4.
3; Here are some indisputable Miracles and periods of Miracles in the Bible:-
4; The Creation.
5; The Deluge.
6; Moses in Egypt.
7; The Crossing of The Red Sea.
8; Moses and Joshua Era.
9; God in His own writing gave The 10 Commandments.
10; Elijah and Elisha.
11; Daniel, Shadriak etc and Mene mene tekel parsin in God's own Hand on the wall.
12; Jesus-The Faith.
13; He wrote The Book of Hebrew Himself,
14; He walked on the sea.
15; He taught us that with Faith as much as The Grain of Mustard seed, we shall move mountains and I believe.
Hi Orisa37, I can see you're very knowledgeable about this thing. So let's talk a bit about Elizabeth and Zechariah's miracle baby.

Have you read about signs and wonders before in the Scripture? And do you read what the scripture has to say about it in this end time? You see, from the beginning of the creation(when man sinned), the heart of man has been growing heavy against the Creator. He knew our age would be the 'Generation Y' (read 'Why') and How? So the working of signs And wonders was completed in the old testament (Not new Testament. Jesus only did perform miracles to make men believe. It was NOT his primary assignment. His primary assignment was to make men. He made them; twelve, and He was accomplished in His set duty. Every other things or attachment that came from his duty were all Bonuses because the Saviour was with men).

Now back to Mama Lizzy and Uncle Zech's story. True, the scripture didn't record they were intimate to get John, and I will not say they were. But it happened in their times- the times when people required a sign to believe God exists. The time when people needed to see flames without anything burning to know there is a God. The times people need to see a sign to believe God exists. Now, God has gone past that time. He does not need to convince the world again that He exists. He's done convincing. But He gives US power to work miracles ourselves. Your later post refers.

I hope you're able to see from the angle I'm trying to dig this up from, huh?

Do have a wonderful time ahead.
Re: Do Miracles Exist? by WetinConsignMe: 1:24pm On Sep 28, 2018
AbbeyDaniels:

Good point you raised there.
Neglecting your question for me to define "miracle", I'll delve into your salient point.
You opined that if I (or anyone) believes enough that drinking urine will cure my (or their) cancer, then the cancer will be cured. That is all I need to make my point. There was an action performed based on my Faith. I just did not believe drinking urine will cure my cancer. I went ahead to drink it.

Now, let's go back to the OP, does miracles exist? I said yes, but baseless miracles, which are what we are wired as Nigerians to believe in, do not exist. In an essence, it is more like saying there's no such thing as miracle baby when you have not done your bit to conceive (to conceive, you need to get laid), or saying there's no such thing as passing an exam miraculously when you have not studied hard enough or prepared yourself enough, to pass. The least I can remember for now is that God cannot come from His throne to write your papers for you or send His angels to write your papers on your behalf. It is never possible.

Even moving further, I have had a 'testimony' of someone who said he miraculously passed an exam he didn't seat for. How did that happen? Well, if you ask me, it is NOT a miracle. It is magic. Something is definitely fishy.

Now finally, to define miracle, I'll say 'it is the working of a divine means' (Quote mine)

The flaw in your logic is the assumption that the laws of the universe also applies to God Himself. Well it doesn't. God does whatever He chooses to do however He chooses to do it. In other words God can impact your life any way He chooses without any input from you whatsoever (including raise u from the dead).

In other words God may choose to cure your cancer despite your not drinking that urine or despite your total lack of faith that you can be cured.

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