To begin it is imperative to have the true definition of lying.

Lie: To give false information intentionally with intent to deceive.
True: Conforming to the actual state of reality or fact; factually correct.

In my little study and observation of life, religion and science, I have come to realise that the most important phenomenon is Truth.
Truth forms the basis and foundation of life. It is how life works. It is the real picture. It is the reality.
Man is always in search for the Truth.
We are all in search of the Truth. We are liberated by the Truth. The Truth gives Solution to man's problems.
Scientifically, the Truth forms the basis of hypotheses theories and inventions. The Truth gives correct knowledge.
The Truth sets man free.

Conversely, Lie, falsehood, forms the basis of ignorance, confusion and frustration.
Just a word of lie corrupts the entirety of a statement/letter/report.

On this premise I would like to observe and present a discrepancy, an inconsistency, a lie in the foundational accounts and reports between Christianity and Islam.

The Torah (Judaism), the Bible (Christianity) and the Quran (Islam) all share the story of Abraham/Ibrahim and his relationship with God/Allah. He, being the Father of Faith and many nations assumes the Patriacal role of root of the family tree of all three religions.

The major bone of contention and invariably the proverbial apple of discord in the different accounts of his story lies in the account of his most significant encounter with God. The story of his calling and the sacrifice of his son.

Judaism and Christianity both report the son Abraham was asked by God to sacrifice as Isaac, his covenant child with his wife Sarah.
Islam however reports that Abraham was asked to sacrifice Ishmael, his son with his wife's slave Hagar.

This begs the question, Who lied?
At this point, it is imperative to remember that Judaism as a religion came first, then Christianity was formed then Islam came after. How come then that the original story in Judaism and Christianity both agree that Isaac was in fact the son Abraham was asked to sacrifice, while Islam came centuries later to claim that Abraham was asked to sacrifice Ishmael?

It is also at this point important to remind us that all of humanity's problem can be traced to a single lie in the garden of Eden.
All the serpent did was twist and alter the truth. He lied to Eve and she believed his lie and today humanity's curse is still prevalent.
Likewise the Pharisees and Sadducees paid the soldiers who guarded the tomb of Jesus to lie and deny seeing Jesus ressurect. This seemingly trivial lie is the reason a majority of the Jews till date still do not believe and accept Jesus Christ as their Messiah.

Hence when Islam lied about the story of Abraham and Isaac, it formed the basis of further erroneous teachings in the holy book.

People, they say, perish for lack of knowledge.
Knowledge is only knowledge when it is the Truth.
Truly, people perish due to false knowledge.
God help us all.

Hmm thought provoking

streamsofjoy:
Hmm thought provoking

Yea.
Lovely dp. Integrity is everything.

Both in my humble opinion., the fact that both see Satan as a dual opposite of God is first big lie and hole in the plot, as well as it is a big insult against.. And both are built on that lie...

sonmvayina:
Both in my humble opinion., the fact that both see Satan as a dual opposite of God is first big lie and hole in the plot, as well as it is a big insult against.. And both are built on that lie...

Can you elaborate pls?

pressplay411:


Can you elaborate pls?

Satan is not an equal opposite of God.. Satan has always been under God's control and will, he has always been part of God and not independent.. He MUST always bend to the will of God...
He is God's son and does only what God has approved for him as told and thought in the story of Job,which incidentally is the only place where Satan occurs in the entire old testament..
The Romans thought the God of the old testament was Satan and created their own God (jezus), as the saviour of mankind... But the Lord of the old testament is the creator of all.. This is to fulfil the prophesy of Daniel in Dan7 :25..

Christianity and Islam only makes sense if Satan is equal but opposite to God.. But he is not. Even in our traditional African religion.. Esu or Ekwensu are part of God and not evil...

pressplay411:


Can you elaborate pls?

Whatever power Satan has was given to him by God, and spiritual law says, it must be used according to the will of God.. Not outside of it.. There must be an expressed permission from God...
God can not say "let outcome A happens and the devil will come and change it to B, it is a spiritual impossibility...

sonmvayina:


Satan is not an equal opposite of God.. Satan has always been under God's control and will, he has always been part of God and not independent.. He MUST always bend to the will of God...
He is God's son and does only what God has approved for him as told and thought in the story of Job,which incidentally is the only place where Satan occurs in the entire old testament..
The Romans thought the God of the old testament was Satan and created their own God (jezus), as the saviour of mankind... But the Lord of the old testament is the creator of all.. This is to fulfil the prophesy of Daniel in Dan7 :25..

Christianity and Islam only makes sense if Satan is equal but opposite to God.. But he is not. Even in our traditional African religion.. Esu or Ekwensu are part of God and not evil...

This is very deep.
I will pray for more understanding.
Thanks for sharing sir.

Interesting.......No wonder Job was helpless


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVgZqnsytJI

Zoharariel:
Interesting.......No wonder Job was helpless


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVgZqnsytJI

The story of job is too deep for me.
I'm just praying for more understanding.
It holds a lot of keys to a lot of gates.

God is not the author of confusion.

Torah was written by Moses after God told him everything that happened many century before him. Before this time there was no record of documentation. If God told Moses that it was Isaac, and the Bible build on the same belief, since it was supported by Jesus Christ, the Apostle and the early Church.
The same God will not tell another person over 3000 years later that it was Ishmael.

My own question will is it the same God that told the two of them different thing?

talkwithfobi:
God is not the author of confusion.

Torah was written by Moses after God told him everything that happened many century before him. Before this time there was no record of documentation. If God told Moses that it was Isaac, and the Bible build on the same belief, since it was supported by Jesus Christ, the Apostle and the early Church.
The same God will not tell another person over 3000 years later that it was Ishmael.

My own question will is it the same God that told the two of them different thing?

Apparently not. For God is not man that He should lie.

pressplay411:


This is very deep.
I will pray for more understanding.
Thanks for sharing sir.

Thanks, whatever you learn come back and teach me too.. I will be happy to learn from you too.

Both

Islam has always been a LIE from SATAN directly...!

sonmvayina:


Whatever power Satan has was given to him by God, and spiritual law says, it must be used according to the will of God.. Not outside of it.. There must be an expressed permission from God...
God can not say "let outcome A happens and the devil will come and change it to B, it is a spiritual impossibility...

How then will you explain the Garden of Eden?
Did the serpent change the outcome of creation?

pressplay411:


How then will you explain the Garden of Eden?
Did the serpent change the outcome of creation?

The serpent in the book of genesis is not the devil and does not represent the devil, it is an allegorical story about life and death, in the old babylonian tale it was adapted from, Inanna is the serpent of the Evil tree while Ninghiszida was the serpent of the good tree..
Inanna is the Goddess of death and destruction.. It is just to teach us the fact that death is an illusion as life and death are the same...

It is not a literal story..

pressplay411:


How then will you explain the Garden of Eden?
Did the serpent change the outcome of creation?

Devil is the God of the under world.. That is NOT his domain,. We are spiritual beings (the same image and likeness as God) dwelling In a human body, death is just decoupling of the body and spirit.. Spirit returns to God and body is buried or cremated according to culture..

sonmvayina:


Devil is the God of the under world.. That is NOT his domain,. We are spiritual beings (the same image and likeness as God) dwelling In a human body, death is just decoupling of the body and spirit.. Spirit returns to God and body is buried or cremated according to culture..

I hope to study the book of Job as I pray for more understanding.
Thanks for sharing.