Isn't ELA the Root and Offspring of Dawodu?

Ola

Prazer em estar com vocês.
Eu vivo no brasil em cidade de São Paulo
Aqui neste país prezamos pelos ensinamentos de Ifa, sejamos negros ou brancos
Neste momento ocorre uma grande festa popular que chamamos de carnaval onde várias divindades são homenageadas : Olorum, Orunmila, Esu, Sango, Oba, Ogun, Oya, Osun, etc, etc

É uma grande festa em todo país onde cantamos e louvamos os orisas, nossa verdadeira religião que aqui chegou através dos yorubás !!! Beautiful, maravilhosa festa!

Ire o

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poemas e previsões odu ifa

amor4ce:

Isn't ELA the Root and Offspring of Dawodu?

shut up with your C.RAP.

PAGAN 9JA:

the versions practiced in South America and Haiti are mixed with christian elements. it is not the pure form.

Dear friend.
It's true what you say.
Do not forget that African cults in America were created by slaves, under very adverse conditions. Their language, their traditions, their beliefs were banned , In this context, at the time was necessary to resort to syncretism.
In America, there syncretic cults with a greater degree than others, for example because, in Santería the Orisá are called "saints" as it is called Osun idistintamente by name or as "Our Lady of copper" (nuestra señora del cobre) But not all African cults in America have such a high degree of syncretism.
I can assure you that at least in Brazil (Candomblé) and Uruguay (Batuque) there are strong movements to push syncretism and are very important groups of people.
We must also remember that in the times of slavery in America, not only bans forced to make adjustments, as there were not all necessary materials for worship, nor priests had come all the Orisa, the number of practitioners did not allow make an exclusive cult , etc. ONE Orisá. etc.
Anyway, I think it was heroic to keep alive the flame of tradition in such circumstances and in the midst of terrible persecution ,
it is true what you say, but that is changing.

Consequences brought slavery in America and also in Africa, we should not forget that some African kingdoms were literally wiped out as the case of Ketu. Its inhabitants were killed, or moved to America, and the cult Ossossi in Africa almost disappeared. I know who have made ​​great efforts to recover the foundations of that Orisa in Africa.

I send warm greetings!

Michelly:

Ola

Prazer em estar com vocês.
Eu vivo no brasil em cidade de São Paulo
Aqui neste país prezamos pelos ensinamentos de Ifa, sejamos negros ou brancos
Neste momento ocorre uma grande festa popular que chamamos de carnaval onde várias divindades são homenageadas : Olorum, Orunmila, Esu, Sango, Oba, Ogun, Oya, Osun, etc, etc

É uma grande festa em todo país onde cantamos e louvamos os orisas, nossa verdadeira religião que aqui chegou através dos yorubás !!! Beautiful, maravilhosa festa!

Ire o

vejam: ileaxecontatos..com

poemas e previsões odu ifa

Dear friend.
Save Maracatú, I see no relationship between Carnival and Orisá worship in Brazil.
In fact, the houses of Cadomblé, Batuque, Sango (in Recife) closed the vast majority in Carnival.
In Brazil every Orisá has its day, but none matches the carnival.
We should not mix so the worship of Orisá with what may be the "samba enredo" of different "escolas do samba"
An affectionate greeting.

Yes ! The Ifa-Orisa religion. I was brought up as an Ifa worshipper. As a young child, my Dad would encourage me to identify myself as a pagan. I also read a comprehensive book on Ifism. I am a Christian quite alright, but I think that Christianity has made people blind to the philosophical depth that is hidden in the religion. One thing any one with sufficient knowledge of the Ifa religion is the interplay between the Orisas. One can equally appreciate how the entities Olodumare, Esu & Orunmila (the Orisa Of Wisdom) always related. It was, simply put, beautiful.

@ Pastor AIO: Perhaps I'm mistaken but isn't it true that the Orisas are worshipped in the Ifa religion too ?

yes, Ifa deals with all the forces in the world. As eleri ipin, that is witness to creation, he knows what each aspect of creation needs for sustainance etc.

So a Ifa querent can be advised to go and make an offering to Oshun, or even to go and become an oshun devotee.

You're right, one of the most beautiful things about Ifa that really struck me was the beauty and depth of the philosophy. Having studied comparative religion I am struck by how it uniquely portrays those themes that can also be found in other faiths around the world.

Pastor AIO:

yes, Ifa deals with all the forces in the world. As eleri ipin, that is witness to creation, he knows what each aspect of creation needs for sustainance etc.

So a Ifa querent can be advised to go and make an offering to Oshun, or even to go and become an oshun devotee.

You're right, one of the most beautiful things about Ifa that really struck me was the beauty and depth of the philosophy. Having studied comparative religion I am struck by how it uniquely portrays those themes that can also be found in other faiths around the world.

First of all, I appreciate your inervenciones.
Indeed, the cult IFA is related to the cult of Orissa. I dare say there could be Ifa worship, not worship of Orisa.
But possibly one of the big differences between a cult and another (IFA and Orisa) is that the cult of Orissa (at least in Africa is specific, ie each cultùa ONE Orissa temple and the priest of the Orisa known specifically rationale is that Orisa) the cult of IFA contains all cults, Egungun, Iyámi Osorongá, etc, etc.
AOI Dear Pastor, I do not try to teach or lecturing, just expressed something to contribute , if it is wrong please let me correct.
I have great respect for you and other colleagues in the forum.
Best wishes!

Sim, festas populares como o carnaval não é um rito
Mas revela a verdadeira religião do povo brasileiro, sua ligação mítica com mãe Africa, a cada momento é lembrado, esta em nosso inconsciente coletivo.

Sincretismo em Brasil totalmente abolido porque já ha algumas décadas não tem mais razão de ser e grandes casas de Camdomble iniciaram movimentos para se desfazer desse sincretismo.

Do mesmo modo tambem se libertou de conceitos de outras religiões misturadas como o caso do Budismo, hinduismo, espiritismo.

A partir dos anos 80 com a chegada de Babalawos pudemos rever os conceitos do camdomblé e agrupar o conhecimento que tínhamos perdido na diáspora, principalmente em questão ao corpo literario de Ifa.

Religião oficial ainda é Católico, mas isso somente no papel
Quando brasileiro tem problemas procura o Babalorisa, não há brasileiro que não conheça orisá
E, hoje, tambem procura Babalawo pois certas coisas Babalorisa não consegue resolver

Ire o

Translating michelly, best I could get through Babel

Yes, popular parties as the carnival are not a rite But it discloses the true religion of the Brazilian people, its mythical linking with Africa mother, to each moment is remembered, this in our unconscious collective one. Sincretismo in Brazil total abolished because already ha some decades does not have more reason of being and great houses of Camdomble had initiated movements to get rid itself of this sincretismo.

In a similar way also it was become free of concepts of other mixed religions as the case of the Buddhism, hinduismo, espiritismo.

From years 80 with the arrival of Babalawos we could review the concepts of camdomblé and group the knowledge that we had lost in the diáspora, mainly in question to the literary body of Ifa. Official religion still is Catholic, but this only in the paper When Brazilian it has problems looks the Babalorisa, does not have Brazilian that it does not know orisá E, today, also looks to Babalawo therefore certain Babalorisa things does not obtain to decide

Ire

Michelly and ptolomeus, keep your thoughts coming. Thanks

Kilode?!:

Translating michelly, best I could get through Babel

Michelly and ptolomeus, keep your thoughts coming. Thanks

Thank you very much for the support dear friend.
Believe me it is difficult to speak in a language I do not understand.
The risk is unintentionally offend someone, besides being eexpuesto some jokes that have already occurred.
I am available to provide you the information you find interesting.
I reiterate my thanks, and I am at your service.

Prezado irmäo [b]Michelly:[/b]Os amigos do fórum estäo pedindo que Vc escreva em inglés.
Eu näo falo inglés, mas uso o tradutor de google, isso é ruim mesmo, mais da pra que eles entendam,
Um grande abraço de vosso amigo uruguaio !

A good book on the Ifa religion I'll recommend to anyone is Ifism: The Complete Works Of Orunmila by Osamaro Ibiwie. I read that book as a child. At the very least, one should be entertained by the stories of the various Orisas. Orunmila was my favorite.

Uyi Iredia:

A good book on the Ifa religion I'll recommend to anyone is Ifism: The Complete Works Of Orunmila by Osamaro Ibiwie. I read that book as a child. At the very least, one should be entertained by the stories of the various Orisas. Orunmila was my favorite.

Yes, it is a very important work. It comes in many volumes and goes through all the 256 odu. the first one is the most important.

However, he does not really give the verses. Sometimes he just gives the titular awo (in very badly written yoruba) and then he moves on straight to the story behind the verses.

I'm also a bit unsure of some of his interpretations of some Odu.

However it is a very important book. I think it was the first book on Ifa that I ever got.

Irossun Meji

just adding notes

Irossun Meji references menstrual blood, so the ancestry and therefore genes (the genetic code)
I am happy when out in Meji Irossun ire for a client because I know that from that moment his ancestry will support it in some way to achieving its target.
Pastor AIO commented that this fate will come to us in the form of dreams and subtle intimations. I add that this subpoena is sometimes not so subtle.
Ancestry will always be dwelling in us in the form of genetic potential. I have seen Irossun Meji appear to young people who complete their majority (around 21 years) which is able to realize their gifts (genetic potential).

ase

I will touch on a topic:
I'm not Catholic or Christian of any kind - Kilode said:
Do not you think the spread and "success" of Christianity and the Religions proselytizing is due to the elements they have. I mean, fans are encouraged to spread the faith, sometimes to the death penalty.

Yes, this is true for the case of Brazil where the Portuguese have done so by force and destroying the indigenous population that lived here.
The mixture of races the black element prevailed, our morenice as they say here, bronze-colored skin and sensuality on the floor, music, dance, food, vocabulary, and football. As this land so rich, lush and tropical would be alright to impose a life so contrary to the faith (Christian faith).
I do not know much about Jesus Christ, I know is what appears to be a super hero with special powers, then why not get rid of that cross and did something for his people - the Jews?
I think he was just a nice guy and too idealistic and that was lost in idealism.
What I know is missionary work of Mother Teresa of Calcutta which, although thin, woman, and not possessing the superpowers of Jesus held his fate in a way satisfactory to those who believe in the Pope.

Pastor AIO:


Another related thread that I like is this one:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-135166.0.html

Dear friends,
If my bad English I may, let me know your opinion (in particular the views of Pastor AIO) about the origin or essence of Orisá.
There are references that Orisá is a direct emanation of Eledumaré, so have a divine origin, and not be a spirit.
In another order, some sources refer to Orisá as a spirit. This would be justified in cases like Sango, who would have been Alaafin of Oyo.
In your opinion, which of the two versions is correct?
Or both versions are correct depending on each case?
Thank you very much for the cooperation, dear friends!

Michelly, did you use a translator software to re-write my post? I'm just curious. The structure is different.

It's amazing how we can communicate even though we don't speak the same langauage. I'll be back with my thoughts later.

I would like to read all of C.O. Ibie's books on Ifa, all the volumes. If I remember correctly, he said in an interview with The Guardian Newspapers of Nigeria that Orunmila appeared to him; perhaps I still have the cut-out with me. For now I have gone through Odun Ifa by Dr Abosede Emmanuel.

As for the impact and adoption of Christianity within the Yoruba community, this is not surprising given that the strong ones amongst the people were selling the others as slaves in return for guns and other weapons and perhaps wealth. The trans-Atlantic slavery happened after a certain Alaafin pronounced a curse and during the inter-tribal wars during which there was chaos in the land. The Europeans helped to quench those wars thus it is not surprising that many Yoruba adopted Christianity. I don't know if the traditional rulers and priests have apologized to the people both in West Africa and the Diaspora for the role they played. Nevertheless, the Jesus Christ and Christianity as preached here by the Oyinbo supremacists are different from the true Redeemer (Ela, Ibikeji Olodumare) and His Gospel.

Not surprisingly, Ela who many today call El, had told our ancestors about the punishment of slavery and the ignominious role of the strong ones thousands of years ago as written in Genesis 15 (especially verses 12-15), Deuteronomy 28:68, and Ezekiel 34. Note that Oba Daodu who many today call David was/is adept at using Ifa to consult God.

Kilode?!:

Michelly, did you use a translator software to re-write my post? I'm just curious. The structure is different.

It's amazing how we can communicate even though we don't speak the same langauage. I'll be back with my thoughts later.

Exactly my friend:
Michelly and I used a translator to understand and express ourselves.
He lives in Sao Paulo, Brazil, and I in Montevideo, Uruguay, both in South America.
This effort is at least in my case, the interest in Yoruba culture and the exchange of information on Yoruba traditions in Africa and America.
This exchange often occurs, making enrich the knowledge of all.
Other times, issues are raised and unanswered, as is the case with my last statement.
But regardless, the forum is very interesting and allows us to meet people very enlightened.

The phenomenon of Christianity in America has similarities and differences with the African reality. In fact the Europeans, mostly Indians massacred and the survivors were forced to convert to Christianity. In the case of Africans were brought to America in inhumane conditions, the vast majority died on the voyage, were forced to convert to Catholicism, to adopt a name "Christian" was banned their language, their tradicines, religion, and to avoid possible rebellions, it sought to encourage tribal rivalries of the time.
Despite these conditions, the Africans brought to America managed to keep alive the flame of their traditions and religions, many of which remain to this day.
Of all the ethnic groups brought to America on condition of slavery, the Yoruba were among the last to arrive. This condition helped in the release time of their traditions were still much more present than other African groups.
I hope that the comment is helpful.
My greetings to all!

amor4ce:

I would like to read all of C.O. Ibie's books on Ifa, all the volumes. If I remember correctly, he said in an interview with The Guardian Newspapers of Nigeria that Orunmila appeared to him; perhaps I still have the cut-out with me. For now I have gone through Odun Ifa by Dr Abosede Emmanuel.

As for the impact and adoption of Christianity within the Yoruba community, this is not surprising given that the strong ones amongst the people were selling the others as slaves in return for guns and other weapons and perhaps wealth. The trans-Atlantic slavery happened after a certain Alaafin pronounced a curse and during the inter-tribal wars during which there was chaos in the land. The Europeans helped to quench those wars thus it is not surprising that many Yoruba adopted Christianity. I don't know if the traditional rulers and priests have apologized to the people both in West Africa and the Diaspora for the role they played. Nevertheless, the Jesus Christ and Christianity as preached here by the Oyinbo supremacists are different from the true Redeemer (Ela, Ibikeji Olodumare) and His Gospel.

Not surprisingly, Ela who many today call El, had told our ancestors about the punishment of slavery and the ignominious role of the strong ones thousands of years ago as written in Genesis 15 (especially verses 12-15), Deuteronomy 28:68, and Ezekiel 34. Note that Oba Daodu who many today call David was/is adept at using Ifa to consult God.

shut up amor4ce. go take your Dawuudu and put it in a bin,. you and your foolish lies. begone from here! you wont find any converts here. your jesus has caused enough trouble and mischief already.

PAGAN 9JA, I haven't tried to convert anyone here, I haven't told lies, I haven't claimed that what I wrote about the designation Daodu is mine, and I haven't preached on this thread about the oyinbo false Christ Jesus. Yet you have offered no proof/analysis/backing for your condemnation of what I wrote on my blog. You are not part of the Yoruba assembly/nation, and the Yoruba people do not engage in nor support cannibalism unlike yourself. Tell me, did I lie when I referred to a message from Orunmila as recorded in one of the Odu that He will be coming to reign on earth and return not to heaven? Did I lie when I discussed the role of the Daodu of a family as observed by the Yoruba? Did I lie about the meaning of Daodu? Did I lie about the left and the right? Did I lie about the prophecies? Can you prove to me that my blog entry about the name Daodu has any fallacy?

Wouldn't you do well to refrain from hate and throwing away the baby with the bath water?

@Ptolomeus, it's nice to have you on the forum. Please keep the comments coming and if you have questions about our own culture let us know. I know I'll have more questions for you and michelly when I have more time. Welcome bro.

amor4ce:

PAGAN 9JA, I haven't tried to convert anyone here, I haven't told lies, I haven't claimed that what I wrote about the designation Daodu is mine, and I haven't preached on this thread about the oyinbo false Christ Jesus. Yet you have offered no proof/analysis/backing for your condemnation of what I wrote on my blog. You are not part of the Yoruba assembly/nation, and the Yoruba people do not engage in nor support cannibalism unlike yourself. Tell me, did I lie when I referred to a message from Orunmila as recorded in one of the Odu that He will be coming to reign on earth and return not to heaven? Did I lie when I discussed the role of the Daodu of a family as observed by the Yoruba? Did I lie about the meaning of Daodu? Did I lie about the left and the right? Did I lie about the prophecies? Can you prove to me that my blog entry about the name Daodu has any fallacy?

Wouldn't you do well to refrain from hate and throwing away the baby with the bath water?

but ofcourse you are trying to brainwash the Yoruba into believing that they are the lost sheep of israel. what is all this nonsense


first of all, The Yoruba are[i] human [/i] NOT sheep. 


either that or you are saying that the Yoruba are descendants of Jews and became idolatrous Pagans later, which is an[b] OUTRAGEOUS [/b] claim, considering the fact that the monotheistic Jew were themselves Pagan at one time, before moses the idiot showed them the so-called light. since then the jews have been nothing but trouble. (always revolting against the stable and strong Pagan Roman Empire and finally giving birth to the devilish jesus with his fairytales, magic tricks and lies).
At one point the whole world was Pagan. EVERYONE. and if you deny that, i consider you a LIAR!.
Pagan religions have no founder. they are of divine providence.

Kilode?!:

@Ptolomeus, it's nice to have you on the forum. Please keep the comments coming and if you have questions about our own culture let us know. I know I'll have more questions for you and michelly when I have more time. Welcome bro.

Thank you very much for your kindness dear brother Kilode
I asked a question on Orisa in this thread, (post 271) that no one has responded.
If you can give me your opinion I would greatly appreciate it.
I am available to answer about everything you want.
I am extremely grateful!
My best regards

Ptolomeus:

Thank you very much for your kindness dear brother Kilode
I asked a question on Orisa in this thread, (post 271) that no one has responded.
If you can give me your opinion I would greatly appreciate it.
I am available to answer about everything you want.
I am extremely grateful!
My best regards

Ptolomeus,

Don't be fooled by our dear Kilode!?'s humility.   He is a very knowledgeable and resourceful Yoruba (and then some) poster here.  I think you will also enjoy meeting another poster, Katsumoto - he's Kilode!?'s twin.   And the pride of many omo Ooduas on Nairaland.  No one knows where our very clandestine brother, Katsumoto, is from, but he has posted in Spanish so I know you will have lots in common with him.  It's certainly good to have you on the forum and share your enthusiasm for Yoruba and African culture.

Ptolomeus:

Dear friends,
If my bad English I may, let me know your opinion (in particular the views of Pastor AIO) about the origin or essence of Orisá.
There are references that Orisá is a direct emanation of Eledumaré, so have a divine origin, and not be a spirit.
In another order, some sources refer to Orisá as a spirit. This would be justified in cases like Sango, who would have been Alaafin of Oyo.
In your opinion, which of the two versions is correct?
Or both versions are correct depending on each case?
Thank you very much for the cooperation, dear friends!

Greetings Ptolomeus, I believe that what you are asking is whether the Orisa are spirits emanating from Eledumare or whether they are human ancestors that have been deified.

I think that it can be confusing because many of the orisa have tales about them living human lives on earth. Most notably is Shango.

We all know that Sango was a 16th century Alafin of Oyo. However we find that the cult of Sango has traits and symbols that precede the 16th century by a long way.

For instance the image of the lightning throwing, Rain bringing, hammer wielding, womanizing deity also exists in other cultures of the world where they far precede the 16th century. For example the Vikings worshipped a deity called Thor who was a hero of the Gods, wielded an hammer, throw lightning, and brought rain. The Vikings existed and did all this long before the 16th century.

The Greeks had Zeus, the Romans had Jupiter. etc etc

These all predate 16th century but are extremely similar to Sango.

We also find that there is a deity in yoruba called Jakuta which was worshipped before 16th century and was what Sango was called before the Alafin Sango existed.

I suspect that the Alafin could have been considered an Avatar of this ancient deity. The cult of this Alafin could have then become so intricately woven with the cult of Jakuta that they became the same thing.

Pastor AIO:

Greetings Ptolomeus, I believe that what you are asking is whether the Orisa are spirits emanating from Eledumare or whether they are human ancestors that have been deified.

I think that it can be confusing because many of the orisa have tales about them living human lives on earth. Most notably is Shango.

We all know that Sango was a 16th century Alafin of Oyo. However we find that the cult of Sango has traits and symbols that precede the 16th century by a long way.

For instance the image of the lightning throwing, Rain bringing, hammer wielding, womanizing deity also exists in other cultures of the world where they far precede the 16th century. For example the Vikings worshipped a deity called Thor who was a hero of the Gods, wielded an hammer, throw lightning, and brought rain. The Vikings existed and did all this long before the 16th century.

The Greeks had Zeus, the Romans had Jupiter. etc etc

These all predate 16th century but are extremely similar to Sango.

We also find that there is a deity in yoruba called Jakuta which was worshipped before 16th century and was what Sango was called before the Alafin Sango existed.

I suspect that the Alafin could have been considered an Avatar of this ancient deity. The cult of this Alafin could have then become so intricately woven with the cult of Jakuta that they became the same thing.

Exactly estimated Pastor AIO!.
That was my question!, If Orisa is released directly Eledumaré or are ancestors.
I heard many conflicting answers about it.
Indeed, Sango is an example that makes the analysis more complicated inc.
I have also studied, which in some cases, particularly in war, Alafin took the name of Orisa as their own. That idea always seemed the most serious.
This shows the great mistake of those who consider Orisa as animist cult ,
Dear Pastor, I would greatly appreciate your cooperation, we agree completely on this issue!
Thanks Apor kindness, warmth, and share healthy ideas.
I am always at your service!

What's the meaning of Sango? Jakuta is said to mean 'Hurler/Thrower of stones'. Perhaps the word Jakuta is derived from the sound of thunderclaps.

What do you think of this paper?
Lange, Dierk: "Yoruba origins and the 'Lost Tribes of Israel'"

^^^^^^^cat poo

I have read a lot about some versions that link to Yoruba with Israel.
Also with the black pharaohs of Egypt.
I never found any serious evidence of his association with one or the other.
I prefer to study Yoruba culture, Hausa (African in general) without getting into a fruitless search, which only leads to "believe or not believe."
I did not remove value to your position, but I think there are many things to "rediscover" and retrieve the old traditions, and that's what I give more importance.
There are much more qualified opinions than mine here.
My greetings!

I see these attempts to link Yoruba or black African religion to the Jews as a cop out, an admission that we cannot stand alone by ourselves.

I see nothing spectacular in the judeo-Christian beliefs that I cannot find parrallels for in my Yoruba religion. Except for the idea of "protelyzation" which might not be a value worth emulating if you consider the negative effects of such in-your-face practice.

As an African researcher, If I have the gift, I'll rather spend more time looking into unique practices within my own culture than trying to find some sort of linkages with Judaism or middle eastern religion. Now if my research lead me to such a link, then I'll accept, but I won't go looking for it.

@ptolomeus, I just saw your question, pastor AIO is way more knowledgable than I am on that topic, his answer tie in with the information I have. If I get more insight, I'll share.

To the Yoruba Nation/Assembly/Congregation/Church, take care with the likes of PAGAN 9JA who try to discourage and deceive us just like the white supremacists and core Northerners have over the years. I have started to wonder if he is a direct descendant of Sanballat and Tobiah (Nehemiah 2:10).

Ptolemeus, we are not descendants of the Egyptians but I had observed over time that many Africans wanted to associate themselves with Egypt because of how mighty that nation once was, and the lies peddled about the physical features of the peoples of the Levant/Mesopotamia/Sumer. Nevertheless there is serious evidence linking Yoruba with Israel and this is quite obvious when reading the Bible – similar attitudes (including regicide), similar customs, similar names, fulfillment of prophecies, even Ifa. Try using your knowledge of the Odu and Yoruba culture to read the Bible about David (Daodu) or the Gospel according to John. You may have also noticed that we (Yoruba/Ewe) already knew of the Saviour prior to the coming of the violent oyinbo against whom our kingdom suffered violence and who took our kingdom by force. Also, it is my opinion that we should not just retrieve our old traditions hook, line and sinker but rather discern which ones Orunmila actually handed down to us and which weren’t.

Kilode?!, we can very much stand by ourselves but we should not give in to hate and emotional poison. The fact is that some envious and evil-minded Europeans plagiarized (including the change of names) our history and then used their plagiarized religion against us. The proof is in the Bible where the Israelites and the Messiah were over and over again described as having Negro features including dada hair. The Messiah’s teachings even seem exactly like Orunmila’s in the Odu Ifa, e.g. the account of how Eji Ogbe became the most senior Odu, and the prophecy that those who exalt themselves shall be humbled and vice versa. There are many more though I don’t see proselytization as one (many who call themselves Christians engage in blatant lawlessness). Another one is the reign of Oranmiyan in Edo which seems like the fulfillment of 2 prophecies and a glimpse of the many more to come. Our people say we know the secrets of the world, compare this with what Moses said in Deuteronomy 29:29. We know how to “resurrect” someone, which is a glimpse of the wonderful one to come soon. The use of Ifa in the Bible has been shown already. Note that the original people of the kingdom of Judah were slaughtered (but the Saviour will resurrect them) by the Romans which gave the Khazars and others the opportunity to steal their identity (identity fraud and theft, 419). The Messiah described these cuckoo Jews explicitly as of the synagogue of satan (Rev 2:9 and 3:9). You don’t need to actively look for links in Christianity, but I want to believe that we agree that if anyone honestly searches/gropes for the Him, Olorun will draw that person unto the Truth. I have a suggestion, can you find out which other people have difficulty like those of Ephraim and Ibadan in pronouncing the sh (ʃ) sound?
Many Christians say what we practice is fetish but theirs appears imbecilic and/or outright evil. They worship the crucifix and carry it about like a charm, even with well-exposed cleavages. Part of the crucifix has an idol of Jesus which is according to the image of Cesare Borgias as painted by Michael Angelo. The name Jesus not the name of the Messiah and this is so obvious in the Bible – strange names in the New Testament that are not in the Old Testament. Now, these images are made of wood, stone, iron etc and many of our people venerate such images with glee, a fulfillment of the curse in Deuteronomy 28:64. Many say they are born again but today there are so many divisions amongst them – different churches). The word “church” appears in the New but not the Old Testament. Church is Latin for assembly and is said to be the bride of the Messiah. According to the Old Testament the bride is Israel+Judah and assembly is used therein when referring to the congregation of Israel. Thus the congregation of Israel is the church, not Roman Catholic or protestant or whatever denomination. Aren’t many of these Christians therefore deluded/blind? I have in the past tried to live as one of them but noticed the conflict with my spirit.

Furthermore, you may have observed that there is no concrete evidence yet of the presence of our people in West Africa from 2000BC till about 700AD as it seems our ancestors suddenly appeared on the scene. Also, the northern kingdom of Israel and others that were deported by the Assyrian Empire left that crumbling Empire around 612BC and this coincides with our appearance in West Africa. Even some of the Assyrians and their kings fled to these parts and are known today as the people of Kebbi in Northwest Nigeria. The Awujale of Ijebuland has also said that the Ijebu migrated; someone from the area of Sungbo Eredo (Oke Eri perhaps) said the queen played a leading role in the migration of the Yoruba peoples. If our people got our historical records straight all the doubts would not have arisen which is why I mentioned earlier that we should not just return to our traditions without discernment. I suggest we use various for a like this on Nairaland and festivals to meet and straighten out all aspects of our culture.

I want to do my best for my people as God did not let me climb and hold on to that chain for nothing! Our forefathers including those who survived the middle passage and the trans-Atlantic slave trade shed their sweat, toil and blood to ensure that we are here today; their faithful efforts will not be in vain. My blog is just one way for me to contribute. Ela loves and has always loved us. He told our forefathers of the slavery and the subsequent desire of His people, us, to return to our roots, drop strange and oyinbo practices, and return to Him with one heart and soul. If you look closely at Paul’s letter to the Romans you’ll see a wonderful message for us. The doubts concerning whether or not Yoruba are of Israel are only but for a while as there is time for everything:

Romans 11:25
For I don’t desire you to be ignorant, brothers, of this mystery, so that you won’t be wise in your own conceits, that a partial hardening has happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in