https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H38ifOZSuAI

Agora is a 2009 historical movie directed by Alejandro Amenabar and stars Rachel Weiss as Hypatia,a female mathematician, philosopher and astronomer in 4th century Roman Egypt.
The story of Hypatia tells a story of the chaos that ensued in a collapsing Roman empire which had discarded paganism and officially adopted Christianity as the state religion.
Initially the Pagans,Jews and Christians live side by side in harmony and in fact a few Christians are students in Hypatia's philosophy school where she tries to unravel mathematical and philosophical issues of the era.
However tension rages as the Christians begin to desecrate and pull down pagan statues as the Christians become more powerful.

The pagans fight back but are out numbered by the hordes of Christian mobs led by a man called Cyril.
The Christians under Cyril go around the town forcing pagans to convert to Christianity or be put to death.
Obviously in this kind of world the first victim would be the pagan women like Hypatia,who was a political adviser to the Roman prefect governing the town.
Cyril target is for the Christians take over and destroy the library of Alexandria where Hypatia holds sway.
Cyril calls a meeting of Christians at the Agora which is an open space where meetings are held.
He quotes the Bible and gives the Roman prefect the option to obey the Bible injunction that women are meant to be silent on all issues.
The Roman prefect does not really believe in Christianity but because it is the official religion needs to appear Christian for his career to grow.
Given the choice of his career or to save the life of his adviser Hypatia, the prefect chooses his career and gives up Hypatia to the Christian mob who drag her to her library where they rip off her clothes,strip her naked and proceed to dismember her body. They then proceed to burn down the library and all the books in it.

Pretty savage movie right?

The sad fact is this movie is based on reality. Christians always try to give the impression that their religion was spread in a peaceful non violent way but this is not true.
Just goggle the death of Hypatia. It is shocking.

Don't be surprised a sizeable number of Christians in this day and age would love nothing better than to dismember all those who they perceive as enemies of god.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y201QzDdzbg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWAUhadJzTk

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I JUST WATCHED THIS FILM FOLLOWING YOUR SUGGESTION, DANTEDASZ, AND I MUST EMPHASIZE ON THE IMPORTANCE OF ENFORCING THE WORD OF GOD IN CORINTHIANS 14 ON EVERY CHRISTIAN WOMAN.

RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ALWAYS AMAZE ME. PARTICULARLY RELIGIOUS WOMEN.
IT TAKES A SPECIAL KIND OF IGNORANCE TO BELIEVE EVERY WORD OF THE BIBLE IS TRUE WHEN YOU HAVEN'T READ EVERY WORD OF IT.

FAITH IS REALLY STUPID. WE MUST LEARN TO QUESTION EVERYTHING.

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CAPSLOCKED:
I JUST WATCHED THIS FILM FOLLOWING YOUR SUGGESTION, DANTEDASZ, AND I MUST EMPHASIZE ON THE IMPORTANCE OF ENFORCING THE WORD OF GOD IN CORINTHIANS 14 ON EVERY CHRISTIAN WOMAN.

RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ALWAYS AMAZE ME. PARTICULARLY RELIGIOUS WOMEN.
IT TAKES A SPECIAL KIND OF IGNORANCE TO BELIEVE EVERY WORD OF THE BIBLE IS TRUE WHEN YOU HAVEN'T READ EVERY WORD OF IT.

FAITH IS REALLY STUPID. WE MUST LEARN TO QUESTION EVERYTHING.

I have said it before: Most female Christians don't know their Bible. The few female Christians that know the Bible choose to bury their heads in the sand like ostriches because they are probably afraid of eternal hell fire. The Bible is a sexist book written by primitive men to keep women permanently subjugated. The Christians can argue all they want but it doesn't take away the fact that the Bible is a sexist book.
No Christian woman should preach or speak in any gathering of the lowest men. It is there in the Bible and in the past as the film depicts,a woman preacher or teacher in a community of men could loose her life.
I still recommend the film to any one who can watch it.
Cheers.

Dantedasz:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H38ifOZSuAI

Got a link to this movie? I need to watch this.

OkCornel:


Got a link to this movie? I need to watch this.

I haven't got a link.
However I suggest you search for one.
It is a movie people need to watch!

You could also goggle Hypatia

Dantedasz:


I haven't got a link.
However I suggest you search for one.
It is a movie people need to watch!

You could also goggle Hypatia

Sure thing. Thanks for the pointer

I keep saying this. Religion, tribalism, racism are tools for people to either manifest their kindness or wickedness.

If anyone wants to be kind, he/she will...likewise if anyone wants to be wicked he/she will. Compassion or wickedness is a choice.

LordReed:


https://www.1377x.to/torrent/562175/Agora-2009-720p-BrRip-x264-YIFY/

Ouch! Site can't be reached.

OkCornel:


Ouch! Site can't be reached.

Your ISP might be blocking torrent sites. You can try going through a proxy site.

Dantedasz:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H38ifOZSuAI

For what it is worth, and because of the atrocious lies on this thread, I'll make a comment and leave a link here.

First the link: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Hypatia

The above gives a more authoritative account of the story. Of course, far more research will be necessary to get to what really happened in Alexandria, but I consider the link good enough to get started. Although Christianity is clearly linked with what the atrocities mentioned in the story, it is important to note that there were many sides to the degenerating conflict and that nominal Christianity is never quite the same as biblical Christianity.

Second, I have debated pretty much every atheist respondent on this thread, and I can guarantee that they have a non-existent appreciation of biblical teaching. They lie about what the Bible says and what it means, and they did the same on this thread too. Not only is the Bible not sexist, but it certainly does not teach Christians to behave as those who burned temples and murdered pagans did. Neither is even a remotely Christian thing to do, but atheism is entirely amoral, and would therefore be consistent when it murders people with opposing beliefs and philosophies as Hitler, Stalin, and Chairman Mao did. But atheists are liars, so they would pretend that what these three did has no connection with their atheism (and even pretend that Hitler was a Christian too), but what impostors pretending to be Christians do is automatically defined by them as a normal Christian response to unbelief.

Ihedinobi3:

For what it is worth, and because of the atrocious lies on this thread, I'll make a comment and leave a link here.

First the link: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Hypatia

The above gives a more authoritative account of the story. Of course, far more research will be necessary to get to what really happened in Alexandria, but I consider the link good enough to get started. Although Christianity is clearly linked with what the atrocities mentioned in the story, it is important to note that there were many sides to the degenerating conflict and that nominal Christianity is never quite the same as biblical Christianity.

Second, I have debated pretty much every atheist respondent on this thread, and I can guarantee that they have a non-existent appreciation of biblical teaching. They lie about what the Bible says and what it means, and they did the same on this thread too. Not only is the Bible not sexist, but it certainly does not teach Christians to behave as those who burned temples and murdered pagans did. Neither is even a remotely Christian thing to do, but atheism is entirely amoral, and would therefore be consistent when it murders people with opposing beliefs and philosophies as Hitler, Stalin, and Chairman Mao did. But atheists are liars, so they would pretend that what these three did has no connection with their atheism (and even pretend that Hitler was a Christian too), but what impostors pretending to be Christians do is automatically defined by them as a normal Christian response to unbelief.

I think your link actually corroborates what the OP stated earlier on this thread. This is an extract from the link you put up there;

An early manifestation of the religious divide of the time was the razing of the Serapeum, the temple of the Greco-Egyptian god Serapis, by Theophilus, Alexandria’s bishop until his death in 412 CE. This event was perhaps the final end of the great Library of Alexandria, since the Serapeum may have contained some of the Library’s books. Theophilus, however, was friendly with Synesius, an ardent admirer and pupil of Hypatia, so she was not herself affected by this development but was permitted to pursue her intellectual endeavours unimpeded.

With the deaths of Synesius and Theophilus and the accession of Cyril to the bishopric of Alexandria, however, this climate of tolerance lapsed, and shortly afterward Hypatia became the victim of a particularly brutal murder at the hands of a gang of Christian zealots. It remains a matter of vigorous debate how much the guilt of this atrocity is Cyril’s, but the affair made Hypatia a powerful feminist symbol and a figure of affirmation for intellectual endeavour in the face of ignorant prejudice. Her intellectual accomplishments alone were quite sufficient to merit the preservation and respect of her name, but, sadly, the manner of her death added to it an even greater emphasis.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Hypatia

LordReed:


Your ISP might be blocking torrent sites. You can try going through a proxy site.

Sorry, please what proxy sites do you suggest? I'm not so adept at downloading movies and all that.

OkCornel:


I think your link actually corroborates what the OP stated earlier on this thread. This is an extract from the link you put up there;

An early manifestation of the religious divide of the time was the razing of the Serapeum, the temple of the Greco-Egyptian god Serapis, by Theophilus, Alexandria’s bishop until his death in 412 CE. This event was perhaps the final end of the great Library of Alexandria, since the Serapeum may have contained some of the Library’s books. Theophilus, however, was friendly with Synesius, an ardent admirer and pupil of Hypatia, so she was not herself affected by this development but was permitted to pursue her intellectual endeavours unimpeded.

With the deaths of Synesius and Theophilus and the accession of Cyril to the bishopric of Alexandria, however, this climate of tolerance lapsed, and shortly afterward Hypatia became the victim of a particularly brutal murder at the hands of a gang of Christian zealots. It remains a matter of vigorous debate how much the guilt of this atrocity is Cyril’s, but the affair made Hypatia a powerful feminist symbol and a figure of affirmation for intellectual endeavour in the face of ignorant prejudice. Her intellectual accomplishments alone were quite sufficient to merit the preservation and respect of her name, but, sadly, the manner of her death added to it an even greater emphasis.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Hypatia

Hello.

I don't believe you understood what I said.

On the one hand, there were multiple sides to the conflicts, including, according to Britannica, both orthodox Christians and heretics, Jews, and pagans, so that this is merely one event in a considerably complex trend in a remote time and culture narrated without much context. It is then wise to be conservative about what conclusions one makes from them.

On the other hand, even if Britannica calls the murderers Christian, I do not consider that even remotely authoritative. Christians are those who believe in Jesus Christ, God become Man to die for our sins. Christians are therefore taught to persevere under persecution, not to persecute others or murder them for their unbelief. Therefore, I don't accept that because someone is associated with the Christian Faith, they are necessarily Christians if they carry out such egregious evil as that described in this matter.

Ihedinobi3:

Hello.

I don't believe you understood what I said.

On the one hand, there were multiple sides to the conflicts, including, according to Britannica, both orthodox Christians and heretics, Jews, and pagans, so that this is merely one event in a considerably complex trend in a remote time and culture narrated without much context. It is then wise to be conservative about what conclusions one makes from them.

On the other hand, even if Britannica calls the murderers Christian, I do not consider that even remotely authoritative. Christians are those who believe in Jesus Christ, God become Man to die for our sins. Christians are therefore taught to persevere under persecution, not to persecute others or murder them for their unbelief. Therefore, I don't accept that because someone is associated with the Christian Faith, they are necessarily Christians if they carry out such egregious evil as that described in this matter.

Oh...okay I get you. There are Christians who do despicable and horrible things. They are only Christians by name...rather than actions.

The genuine ones are known by their fruits...rather than empty confessions....

Am I athiest but this movie is not historically accurate
1.first Cyril was not part of the mob that killed her
2.please you should read the Wikipedia page of the story
3.they other horrible things that Christian(or catholic) fundamentalist did in their history such as the northern crusades that should used because this hypatia story is likely a fruad.

madrid5:
Am I athiest but this movie is not historically accurate
1.first Cyril was not part of the mob that killed her
2.please you should read the Wikipedia page of the story
3.they other horrible things that Christian(or catholic) fundamentalist did in their history such as the northern crusades that should used because this hypatia story is likely a fruad.

Thanks for the pointer. I'll check out the wikipedia version as well.

In terms of its historical accuracy, the film is absolute garbage. A summary of the real history of Hypatia can be seen in this vid below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpDL8N0p6FA

Hypatia

Chapter One

1. When I have observed life, I see that it is all about sums. For I have drawn up circles and triangles and pyramids and all forms of shapes by calculations. And my head was awakened.
2. Whoever studies mathematics with philosophy and art is the greatest of all. For his head shall be more awake than the heads of every god. This awakens the mind more than the use of wine.
3. Who is that person who is very good in arithmetic and art and philosophy? For such is a king worthy of celebration. For Pythagoras is like such and Socrates also.
4. I do not teach religion because it shall do lesser good than philosophy and mathematics. For religion dulls the head and it does not allow for deep thinking.
5. Thinkers are not found deep into it, but for the purpose of identification and socialization do you see some thinkers answering to it, yet without believing it.
6. Jealousy is found at the vertices of religion. But philosophy and all manner of science is the way forward.
7. Whoever can add two and two together can also detect the follies of religion. If we can allow science to give birth to science the same way one religion reproduces itself in another religion, the world would be more developed than the combination of all religious paradises.
8. How beautiful is the wisdom of philosophy? It is the wisdom that makes you see yourself as not being the wisest yet, then you push forward to get more wisdom.
9. But the wisdom of religion makes you see yourself as the wisest already and you do not think to acquire more wisdom. And when you come to the congregation of the Wise, your folly is made Conspicuous.
10. Who is Solomon where there is Socrates? One of them says that the fear of the god of Judah is the beginning of wisdom, but the other says that the fearlessness of any form of gods is the beginning of wisdom.
11. Great thinkers do not fear the gods and they are wise. For the wisdom of Socrates are studied in every school, but where is the wisdom of Solomon applied except in religious knowledge?
12. How do the religious people explain the matter of souls to the learners? They do so by saying that the soul cannot cease to exist because of judgement awaiting it. And they say that it is the judgment by fire.
13. But we who are wise know that nothing dies, but all things change form and consciousness. For everything goes in cycles. And all cycles are endless.
14. For a fruit which falls to the earth shall grow after some times. And if it does not grow, it becomes rotten and it's nutrients is passed into the soil. And the soil gives the nutrients to a plant growing upon it. And the plant is eaten by animals or humans.
15. And the humans grow old and die. And his soul goes apart from his body. And his soul is worked upon and brought back to a world. And he feeds again upon the fruits of the trees. And the cycles continue forever.
16. This is a wiser explanation than the saying that a soul must experience an afterlife because of judgement. For if judgement is the reason why a soul is made, what wisdom is found in it?
17. For if the earth is a school, shall it make sense that those who graduated from the school called earth were brought into it because they must be judged? But it makes more sense to say that the earth, being a school of souls, is for the purpose of gaining experience.
18. And all those who graduate from it continues after it without facing judgement. The preaching of judgement after death is to make your fellow humans submissive to you. For it makes more sense to see the afterlives as places of corrections to mistakes in love.

So I've gleaned through wikipedia, this was the whole story regarding Hypatia's death...



BACKGROUND TO HER DEATH:
From 382 – 412, the bishop of Alexandria was Theophilus. Theophilus was militantly opposed to Iamblichean Neoplatonism and, in 391, he demolished the Serapeum.Despite this, Theophilus tolerated Hypatia's school and seems to have regarded Hypatia as his ally. Theophilus supported the bishopric of Hypatia's pupil Synesius, who describes Theophilus in his letters with love and admiration. Theophilus also permitted Hypatia herself to establish close relationships with the Roman prefects and other prominent political leaders. Partly as a result of Theophilus's tolerance, Hypatia became extremely popular with the people of Alexandria and exerted profound political influence.

Theophilus died unexpectedly in 412. He had been training his nephew Cyril, but had not officially named him as his successor. A violent power struggle over the diocese broke out between Cyril and his rival Timothy. Cyril won and immediately began to punish those who had supported Timothy; he closed the churches of the Novatianists, who had supported Timothy, and confiscated their property. Hypatia's school seems to have immediately taken a strong distrust towards the new bishop, as evidenced by the fact that, in all his vast correspondences, Synesius only ever wrote one letter to Cyril, in which he treats the younger bishop as inexperienced and misguided. In a letter written to Hypatia in 413, Synesius requests her to intercede on behalf of two individuals impacted by the ongoing civil strife in Alexandria, insisting, "You always have power, and you can bring about good by using that power." He also reminds her that she had taught him that a Neoplatonic philosopher must introduce the highest moral standards to political life and act for the benefit of their fellow citizens.

In 414, Cyril closed all the synagogues in Alexandria, confiscated all the property belonging to the Jews, and expelled all the Jews from the city. Orestes, the Roman prefect of Alexandria, who was also a close friend of Hypatia and a recent convert to Christianity, was outraged by Cyril's actions and sent a scathing report to the emperor. The conflict escalated and a riot broke out in which the parabalani, a group of Christian clerics under Cyril's authority, nearly killed Orestes. As punishment, Orestes had Ammonius, the monk who had started the riot, publicly tortured to death. Cyril tried to proclaim Ammonius a martyr, but Christians in Alexandria were disgusted,since Ammonius had been killed for inciting a riot and attempting to murder the governor, not for his faith. Prominent Alexandrian Christians intervened and forced Cyril to drop the matter. Nonetheless, Cyril's feud with Orestes continued. Orestes frequently consulted Hypatia for advice because she was well-liked among both pagans and Christians alike, she had not been involved in any previous stages of the conflict, and she had an impeccable reputation as a wise counselor.

Despite Hypatia's popularity, Cyril and his allies attempted to discredit her and undermine her reputation. Socrates Scholasticus mentions rumors accusing Hypatia of preventing Orestes from reconciling with Cyril. Traces of other rumors that spread among the Christian populace of Alexandria may be found in the writings of the seventh-century Egyptian Coptic bishop John of Nikiû, who alleges in his Chronicle that Hypatia had engaged in satanic practices and had intentionally hampered the church's influence over Orestes:

And in those days there appeared in Alexandria a female philosopher, a pagan named Hypatia, and she was devoted at all times to magic, astrolabes and instruments of music, and she beguiled many people through her Satanic wiles. And the governor of the city honoured her exceedingly; for she had beguiled him through her magic. And he ceased attending church as had been his custom... And he not only did this, but he drew many believers to her, and he himself received the unbelievers at his house.

According to Socrates Scholasticus, during the Christian season of Lent in March 415, a mob of Christians under the leadership of a lector named Peter, raided Hypatia's carriage as she was travelling home. They dragged her into a building known as the Kaisarion, a former pagan temple and center of the Roman imperial cult in Alexandria that had been converted into a Christian church. There, the mob stripped Hypatia naked and murdered her using ostraka, which can either be translated as "roof tiles" or "oyster shells".Damascius adds that they also cut out her eyeballs. They tore her body into piecesand dragged her mangled limbs through the town to a place called Cinarion, where they set them on fire. According to Watts, this was in line with the traditional manner in which Alexandrians carried the bodies of the "vilest criminals" outside the city limits to cremate them as a way of symbolically purifying the city.Although Socrates Scholasticus never explicitly identifies Hypatia's murderers, they are commonly assumed to have been members of the parabalani. Christopher Haas disputes this identification, arguing that the murderers were more likely "a crowd of Alexandrian laymen".

Socrates Scholasticus presents Hypatia's murder as entirely politically motivated and makes no mention of any role that Hypatia's paganism might have played in her death. Instead, he reasons that "she fell a victim to the political jealousy which at that time prevailed. For as she had frequent interviews with Orestes, it was calumniously reported among the Christian populace that it was she who prevented Orestes from being reconciled to the bishop."Socrates Scholasticus unequivocally condemns the actions of the mob, declaring, "Surely nothing can be farther from the spirit of Christianity than the allowance of massacres, fights, and transactions of that sort.

The Canadian mathematician Ari Belenkiy has argued that Hypatia may have been involved in a controversy over the date of the Christian holiday of Easter 417 and that she was killed on the vernal equinox while making astronomical observations. Classical scholars Alan Cameron and Edward J. Watts both dismiss this hypothesis, noting that there is absolutely no evidence in any ancient text to support any part of the hypothesis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypatia

I guess Hypatia was one of those enlightened souls slaughtered on the altar of religious zealotry...

Sad. Contributed quite positively to humanity only to be killed by religious simpletons...

OkCornel:


Sorry, please what proxy sites do you suggest? I'm not so adept at downloading movies and all that.

Try https://www.hidemyass.com/proxy

LordReed:


Try https://www.hidemyass.com/proxy

Still didn't go through. No worries. I'll find a way to get it.

Thanks so much for the assistance

Chapter Two
1. Some numbers seem to me as males while some are to me as females. For numbers two, three, five are to me as females and I am proud to see females like myself in numbers. Therefore let females also join to be great thinkers in the world.
2. I have wondered why nothing is not numbered. I have asked for the inclusion of nothing as a number. The religious say nothing does not exist. I say to them, nothing exists as a thing in the mind of a thinker. They say that I speak heresy.
3. And I said that nothingness is something beyond human comprehension. For that which is nothing to us is something to those in other realms of realities. And it is possible for future people to study Nothing.
4. How do you prove that Nothing does not exist? We see the actions of nothing in the things which get our food spoilt.
5. To me, I can say that Nothing is the thing which our eyes cannot see and our brain cannot make sense of. But it is something beyond us. It is so little to us such that we call it nothing. We cannot quantify it, but it can actually be quantified by the beings who can see it.
6. But if the people of higher wisdom can give their time to the study of this Nothing, then our world can have more meaning.
7. The expansion of Nothing gives birth to the visible things. And a multitude of nothing is what becomes visible to us. And if Nothing can be well studied, then it is possible to get closer to the true nature of the Creator God.
8. Mighty knowledge can be buried and made into nothing, so also can little knowledge be expanded and made into something great. But all buried knowledge shall be revisited, no matter how long.
9. For knowledge attracts knowledge and if a knowledge is buried, a knowledgeable person or thing in the future shall dig up the buried knowledge again. Therefore I say, knowledge cannot be permanently lost,but can be kept away from being accessed for centuries.
10. When Agda came to seek me, I said to him, if all religious people can do away with their egos to seek wisdom, the development of the world shall be faster. And Agda said, I am a priest, but I seek after wisdom because I know that there is more to the earth than what is in the scrolls of the popes.
11. And I said to Agda, it is not a lie you have spoken. Eusebius and Constantine and their precursors who write the scrolls did so in the foolishness of their minds. They thought that wisdom and knowledge should be static and they made an end to knowledge with their scrolls filled up with lies.
12. They make a box for all heads to think within it. They force all to think within the capacity of that box. They kill and threaten with death.
13. They made a flesh for the one who does not exist and they want people to believe in that non-existing thing as their saviour. See how this shall lead to a very great confusion in the world.
14. It is like developing a tool from a very wrong formula. For whatever you make out of such tool shall be wrong. An hydrometer is not called an hydrometer if it is made upon a false formula. So is the concept of Jesus which is a compilation of stories of the gods here and there.
15. When I said this, Agda said, what do you mean Hypatia? How do you say such a thing? And I said to Agda, I do not hate the character of Jesus as written in the scrolls of the popes, but it is better to let people know that it is only a fictitious moral hero rather than calling it a real human being.
16. For great thinkers do not do away with ideal things totally, but they treat them as what they are and still make use of them, knowing that they are ideal things. And it makes things clearer and easier.
17. For the addition of real and ideal things make for the complexity of anything. For when real histories and ideal histories are added together, the world becomes a complex world. So also does the addition of real and ideal numbers make for complex numbers.
18. And when real creatures and ideal creatures are added together, there arises complex thoughts and complex realities. And tortures shall be made to the head.
19. Therefore let realities be set aside and let fictions and imaginary things be put to one side also. And whoever knows reality from imaginaries shall live life without fear.
20. And Agda said, why do you say that Jesus is a fictitious hero? And Hypatia said, my father have taught me how to check what is real and distinguish it from what is not real. I have been doing this with mathematics and philosophy with the knowledge of history for the past forty years and it has never failed me.
21. The knowledge of astronomy is also useful in the study of real and unreal beings. I have all these knowledge and I have checked and known that Jesus is a fictitious hero made real to the minds of non-thinkers to make him submissive to the religious authority.
22. For with the wisdom of histories have I checked and known that Jesus is not a historical figure. For in the days of my grandfather who is also a historian who travelled to Jerusalem more than ten times a year, there was a very little story heard of this Jesus, but now many stories have been made about it. This is definitely a sign that people invent stories about it.
23. And my father Theon and his own father Dionysus have gone round Egypt and Jerusalem and Rome. And they have collected the histories of antiquity together, up to date, but this Jesus was not named in all the histories which they have.
24. The histories written by Josephus and by a historian called Magnus are all with Theon my father. And there is no direct mention of Jesus in it, not once. This is to say that this hero was assumed to have existed in the past whereas it did not.
25. But when Eusebius and his fellow scribes came together in Milan few years ago to conclude the religion, the writings of Josephus which they have with them in the libraries began to have the name of Jesus in it in a bold form.
26. Now Agda said, Eusebius may mean well by making known this Jesus even if it does not exist as a real human, yet it exists as an object of fantasy. And we know how objects of fantasies can help people live happy lives.
27. And I said, whether they live happy life believing in it, that is not my problem with Eusebius. But where I disagree with him is how he said that a fictitious object of mind control is actually a son of God who came in the form of human.
28. Now Agda, it is good for him to say that it is not a real soul rather than calling it real. For if it is known that this Jesus is not a real soul, those who wish to worship it shall still do so. But they shall be wary not to try to perform the risky things which is ascribed to it.
29. For they say that he walked on water and did all manner of things. Now Agda, know now that his followers shall try all such things. And if they sink or get bitten by snakes and scorpions while trying out their faith, who shall be blamed?
30. Therefore Agda, this is only my differences with Eusebius and nothing more.
31. Now Agda said, the writings of Josephus which you say that you have with you, shall I see it? And I provided the writings to Agda. And he said, I shall read through it today and tomorrow and I shall bring it back to you.
32. And I said, it is bestowed to me by Theon my father, for he said that his grandfather bestowed it to him also. Therefore do not let it be missing with you.
33. The next day, Agda returned the book, saying, indeed there is nothing worthwhile written about this Jesus in it, but that which Eusebius has with him did describe this Jesus as a god, as if Josephus said so.
34. And I said to Agda, if the pope knows that I possess a copy of the original book of Josephus, he shall come and have it by force. And I shall be burnt on the stake for having it in my possession. For they have placed an embargo upon all true histories for the purpose of falsification of histories.

Chapter Three
1. I do not define reality only by the things which are concrete and physical. But I define it also by the things which are perceived in the thoughts and also what are imagined. For even abstract and imaginary things can shapen lives and it is the reality of those who are being shapened by it.
2. However, it is good to be able to differentiate physical realities from abstract realities. Some herbs can bring about hallucinations, which is so real to the person who experiences it. But it is not to say that the hallucinations experienced by that person is physically and universally real. But it is emotionally real, only to the person who experienced it.
3. So reality is both physical and abstract.
4. It shall become a universal poison to accept the abstract reality of a person as the universal reality. And it shall be a disaster. A disaster which we have experienced in the past and we are still experiencing. And if care is not taken, it shall continue to be a disaster which could be avoided.
5. And it shall lead to wars and destructions of life. For when this abstract reality of a very few people on earth is taken up to be imposed upon all people of the world at once, then there shall killing not be lacking.
6. How can you say that this god which is personal to you is the universal God and you expect a thinker to accept it so when such abstract reality of yours has not been personally experienced by me and 99% of the world populace?
7. If I do not accept your abstract personal reality as my own reality, it is not my fault because I did not feel it.
8. But they force it on us, Eusebius and Constantine and all the rest of them. And they killed for this purpose. My grandmother Agstidis was called for serving what is her own abstract realities.
9. They term her gods pagan gods and killed her for saying that she would stick to them. Now where is Eusebius who killed my grandmother? Where is Constantine also? They are gone too but the reality of their cruel existence shall be remembered forever.
10. Maimonides asked me, what makes you such a great thinker? And I say, the god of Eusebius makes me so. For I began to ask questions about what reality truly is. And I knew the answer.
11. To Eusebius and his god, any god who is more popular and mostly worshipped and accepted is the real God. And the tool of achieving this is the use of force? Then I reason deep, beyond imaginations. And the answers came--a noiseless god is closer to being the supreme one than the noisy ones.
12. A noiseless god does not say, go and render young children motherless and make wives widows by killing their husbands.
13. So I reason beyond the imposed god of Eusebius and Constantine and their own realities do not coincide with mine. For realities exist in different bases or frequencies, for so does addition and subtraction and multiplication and division which exist in various bases.
14. And whereas your own one and one adds up to two, mine could add up to ten. It does not lead to quarrel if we declare to each other that our differences are caused by our different bases of calculations. But in religion, this tolerance is lacking. And one who is in authority seeks by all means how to impose his own abstract reality upon another who is a subordinate.
15. Mathematics is life, different formulas yet leading to the same answer. For who is that teacher who forces his student to use his own formula alone to get to the answer? Such teacher is unwise.
16. The teachers of religion are like that. They say that the way to their own gods alone is the way to The One. But it is a false assumption.
17. This is why I do not teach religion but Mathematics and science and the critical use of the head like Plato.