I believe that people living on 150,000 Naira or less monthly should not pay tithe. This applies specially to those who live in big cities like Lagos or Abuja, where the cost of living is high.

The central logic to this topic is that beggars do not pay tax and should not pay tax. A beggar is not expected to pay tax because the assumption is that they earn too little to be taxed from. How can a person that can't feed himself be expected to pay tax? How can a starving man be asked to contribute food? The logic is simple

The same logic of the poor beggar applies to those earning 150,000 Naira or less. 150,000 Naira in this current economy cannot provide adequate food, clothing and shelter. In Lagos, a good 2-3 bedroom in a safe area costs at least 600,000 Naira a year. That is 4 month salary of 150k a month. What about clothes, transport costs and feeding (especially if there is family to feed)? I have not even mentioned school fees. Good private schools can charge from 80k to 3 million a term.

The simple fact is that one cannot raise a family on 150k a month. You will either owe school fees, or you will eat only 1-2 times a day (soaking garri counts as a meal )


Now, some pastor will come and say that you should pay tithe and get blessings. Which blessings? When you have not fed your children or paid school fees? Your prosperity teachers will not tell you that God does not like debtors! There are many verses in the bible about debts and none of them are favourable to the debtor. So if you owe school fees or money, do not pay tithe.

Here is my favourite verse about debtors;
Proverbs 22:7
The rich rules over the poor, And the borrower becomes the lender's slave

To stretch this further, if you do not pay tax, then you should not pay tithe. If you are not rendering unto Ceasar, what is Ceasar's, why then would you give money to God? Is it not the same God (through Jesus) that said one must pay tax?

So, if you are a student, you should not tithe.
If you are a housewife, you should not tithe
If you are a domestic worker earning less than 15k (non-taxable amount less than minimum wage), do not tithe.


I await any challenger that wants to challenge my opinions on this.

I don't think it matters what you earn, tithing is a ridiculous concept in this modern iteration and serves no other purpose than to enrich the church corporations, tax free!

LordReed:
I don't think it matters what you earn, tithing is a ridiculous concept in this modern iteration and serves no other purpose than to enrich the church corporations, tax free!

If people want to tithe, it is their business. However, tithing on a meager salary is self-destruction.

JeromeBlack:


If people want to tithe, it is their business. However, tithing on a meager salary is self-destruction.

Agreed.

hmmm

Daddy Freeze will like this.

Born2Freak:
hmmm

Daddy Freeze will like this.

This is not about Daddy Freeze. This is about taxing poor people with tithe

Although, I know that he would like this kind of thing.

vaxx? felixomor? precisionfx?

Nobody should pay tithe at all. Except they are paying to levites, who unfortunately do not exist in our time.

LordReed:
I don't think it matters what you earn, tithing is a ridiculous concept in this modern iteration and serves no other purpose than to enrich the church corporations, tax free!

I beg to differ, my Lord! When people come to church, they come to receive something, and as you very well know having been there before, they do receive something, so why should they not pay for what they receive. Even if what they are given is illusion and smoke, is what they receive illusion and smoke?

You atheists should please learn that the people of this world are wise. There is nothing wrong with people paying tithe to them and only those worthy of receiving it is it paid to!

budaatum:

I beg to differ, my Lord! When people come to church, they come to receive something, and as you very well know having been there before, they do receive something, so why should they not pay for what they receive. Even if what they are given is illusion and smoke, is what they receive illusion and smoke?

You atheists should please learn that the people of this world are wise. There is nothing wrong with people paying tithe to them and only those worthy of receiving it is it paid to!

Ahh so its payment for services yes? Then it should be taxed yes?

LordReed:


Ahh so its payment for services yes? Then it should be taxed yes?

Yes it should be taxed! But you got to get that passed as policy first, and should expect resistance.

budaatum:

Yes it should be taxed! But you got to get that passed as policy first, and should expect resistance.

The German's have the church tax, don't be surprised to see more of such.

@OP

Will still gladly come to church i.e the gathering of the brethren, if such a gathering has no chairs?

What if it has no roof and you are to get beaten by that hot 11am Sunday morning sun, or when it suddenly starts raining?

What if you are unable to hear the pastor's voice due to no electricity to power the microphone becase NEPA has disconnected the church for failing to pay bills?

What if the pastor fails to show up because his place of work where he sort sollace to make ends meet transferred him to Abuja on a weekend mission?

Keep that money to yourself if you don't want to praise God with it. But know that God is raising men who will obey his commandments.

LordReed:


The German's have the church tax, don't be surprised to see more of such.

Germany has a history that makes it logical that they would. UK doesn't, nor does America and many more countries, so don't be surprised if it takes a while to get to Nigeria. In the meantime, I am of the world and plan to benefit from the lack of one. Praise God, everyone!

(Now, perhaps that thread going A's are Fools!)

LordReed:


The German's have the church tax, don't be surprised to see more of such.

Budaatum has a point.

The Pastors would not want their income reduced. See how they destabilized Freeze for arguing against tithes- They made sure he lost of hosting and speaking gigs. They falsely reported and closed his instagram and youtube pages.


The pastors will fight tooth and nail. They will send their congregation after any politician that wants to draft a church tax bill.


However, thanks to Freeze, a lot of people now have mouth against pastors

budaatum:

Germany has a history that makes it logical that they would. UK doesn't, nor does America and many more countries, so don't be surprised if it takes a while to get to Nigeria. In the meantime, I am of the world and plan to benefit from the lack of one. Praise God, everyone!

(Now, perhaps that thread going A's are Fools!)

JeromeBlack:



Budaatum has a point.

The Pastors would not want their income reduced. See how they destabilized Freeze for arguing against tithes- They made sure he lost of hosting and speaking gigs. They falsely reported and closed his instagram and youtube pages.


The pastors will fight tooth and nail. They will send their congregation after any politician that wants to draft a church tax bill.


However, thanks to Freeze, a lot of people now have mouth against pastors

It might be a long road but don't be surprised if it happens.

JeromeBlack:



Budaatum has a point.

The Pastors would not want their income reduced. See how they destabilized Freeze for arguing against tithes- They made sure he lost of hosting and speaking gigs. They falsely reported and closed his instagram and youtube pages.


The pastors will fight tooth and nail. They will send their congregation after any politician that wants to draft a church tax bill.


However, thanks to Freeze, a lot of people now have mouth against pastors

Who in his sane mind would want a controversial divorcee and wife snatcher like Freeze to MC his event? Don't put the blame for his lack of gigs on Pastors. Rather, tell him to look in the mirror to see who to blame. Even you members of Free the Fools Movement won't even invite him to MC your events. Perhaps, with all the money meant for tithe which you have been keeping in your pocket, you guys still cant afford to throw a gig for him to anchor.

What happened to him is due to him always being in the news for the wrong reasons. The fact that he goes about trying to force his anti-tithe doctrine on people simply shows he's not doing God's work but his own work of pride just to earn the praises of mere men.

If it were God's work, he would have stopped his attack on the doctrine of tithing a long time ago. Why? Because Jesus told his disciples to leave any City where they are rejected. He never told them to force his gospel down their throat till they choke.

alBHAGDADI:


Who in his sane mind would want a controversial divorcee and wife snatcher like Freeze to MC his event? Don't put the blame for his lack of gigs on Pastors. Rather, tell him to look in the mirror to see who to blame. Even you members of Free the Fools Movement won't even invite him to MC your events. Perhaps, with all the money meant for tithe which you have been keeping in your pocket, you guys still cant afford to throw a gig for him to anchor.

What happened to him is due to him always being in the news for the wrong reasons. The fact that he goes about trying to force his anti-tithe doctrine on people simply shows he's not doing God's work but his own work of pride just to earn the praises of mere men.

If it were God's work, he would have stopped his attack on the doctrine of tithing a long time ago. Why? Because Jesus told his disciples to leave any City where they are rejected. He never told them to force his gospel down their throat till they choke.

My guy, you can hate Freeze all you want but facts remain facts; Tithing is old testament and it is an expired teaching. Any pastor that promotes tithes is a thief

JeromeBlack:



My guy, you can hate Freeze all you want but facts remain facts; Tithing is old testament and it is an expired teaching. Any pastor that promotes tithes is a thief

Which Bible verse says it has expired?

JeromeBlack:



Budaatum has a point.

The Pastors would not want their income reduced. See how they destabilized Freeze for arguing against tithes- They made sure he lost of hosting and speaking gigs. They falsely reported and closed his instagram and youtube pages.


The pastors will fight tooth and nail. They will send their congregation after any politician that wants to draft a church tax bill.


However, thanks to Freeze, a lot of people now have mouth against pastors

Pastors who actively encourage their members to embezzle government money and bring a share of it to the church coffers.Scammers!

alBHAGDADI:

@OP

Will still gladly come to church i.e the gathering of the brethren, if such a gathering has no chairs?

What if it has no roof and you are to get beaten by that hot 11am Sunday morning sun, or when it suddenly starts raining?

What if you are unable to hear the pastor's voice due to no electricity to power the microphone becase NEPA has disconnected the church for failing to pay bills?

What if the pastor fails to show up because his place of work where he sort sollace to make ends meet transferred him to Abuja on a weekend mission?

Keep that money to yourself if you don't want to praise God with it. But know that God is raising men who will obey his commandments.

Offerings is there for the church to use to maintain its premises. There is no need for tithes

JeromeBlack:



Offerings is there for the church to use to maintain its premises. There is no need for tithes

You mean you expect the church to survive with that dirty 100 Naira note which you squeeze into the offering plate once in 5 months?

alBHAGDADI:


You mean you expect the church to survive with that dirty 100 Naira note which you squeeze into the offering plate once in 5 months?

You are exposing yourself because it shows that you are speaking from experience.

Offerings is enough. I have once counted offering from a medium sized church. I alone counted about 100,000 naira while there were 4 other counters who counted larger amounts

JeromeBlack:



You are exposing yourself because it shows that you are speaking from experience.

Offerings is enough. I have once counted offering from a medium sized church. I alone counted about 100,000 naira while there were 4 other counters who counted larger amounts

From a medium sized church indeed.

alBHAGDADI:


From a medium sized church indeed.

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