solite3:
hell is not an idea but a reality.
Even if God gives you an eternity, it makes no difference.
God is evil and insane for punishing sin? Hope the Government is insane for punishing rapists and child molesters.
It only takes 2 minutes to murder someone, why will the government sentence him to life in prison?



it is a known fact that most of the world population are heading down to hell, not because God cannot save them but because they reject him and his help.


you are insane! Do you expect God to force himself on anyone? The devil has lost already. Many people are been saved right now.

Who are the we?

Many are been saved on a daily basis through the gospel.
It is up to you to be saved or remain condemned in your sins.


Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

https://www.barna.com/research/atheism-doubles-among-generation-z/

This is just in the United States alone.
And then we have Europe:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/21/christianity-non-christian-europe-young-people-survey-religion

When i say Christianity is dying, i mean it as a FACT.

The rules of God's game are just so silly.

God makes mankind to worship him? Why? Why would a god need worship? Is god lonely and narcissistic?

God creates man with "free will", knowing full well what will happen. Is that free will? Or was god setting up mankind to fail?

God then punishes mankind for failure that was built in. Not justice at all. That's like hitting a toddler because they asked a question.

God then creates a Son, to be a human sacrifice, to cleanse the sin of Adam which I guess has continued on through the generations....

Anyway I could keep going. But let me address the "What if God Really does exist" nagging feeling. What if Zeus exists? What if Allah is the true god? What if Shintoism is the correct religion?

If god truly is real, then i suspect it will be indifferent to humanity, because the universe is indifferent to humanity. There is no reason to believe anything happens to you after you die other than the lights go out and your body eventually decays, which is to say becoming food for other life, which gets eaten by other life, and so on and so on....

Life is a quirk of chemistry. Consciousness is a true mystery but no need to assign the cause as God if there is no evidence for it.

XxSabrinaxX:


https://www.barna.com/research/atheism-doubles-among-generation-z/

This is just in the United States alone.

After making hell,wetin God gain?

@ChiefAzubike
As for the PUNISHMENT of those who intentionally ignore or reject HIS instructions, HE has NO business with them in fact HE has NO business with us because we're not the ones HE initially created as the first pair,so we're not HIS original tenants! If HE now extend a warm invitation to us for gaining what HIS original tenants lost means underserved kindness on our part, that's the meaning of GRACE!
However, HIS decision is to eject disobedient tenants from HIS estate and since they're not existing before HE created and accommodated them (in HIS estate) THEY WILL RETURN TO NONEXISTENCE! Genesis 3:17-19
So they're not going to keep existing anywhere else after death{Ecclesiastes 9:4-10} because at death they've gotten what they deserve! Romans 6:23
It's misinformed religious people that are saying God will keep tormenting HIS disobedient tenants for failure to abide by HIS rules,that has not come into HIS heart! Jeremiah 7:31

HellVictorinho:

After making hell,wetin God gain?

HE didn't make anywhere called HELL, that only exists in the imagination of man. It's either LIFE(existing amongst the living and enjoying everything that has to do with life) or DEAD and buried in the grave(nonexistence/ NO activities) Ecclesiastes 9:4-10

XxSabrinaxX:


Also, morals don't come from God. They are anchored in biology, and developed further by human reason. Research on the evolution of morality. [s]We are evolved to behave altruistically because that increases the chances of survival and reproductive success of our tribe.[/s]

You are inconsistent in your post. Ab initio, you are an atheist who denied God existence, but somehow accept otherwise just to create this Topic.
You further your post that God created Hell [as a judgement factor] for moral deficit. Now you claim morals don't come from God.

If moral doesn't come from God, why does he have to interfere in a matter that did not concern His existence?

To me, you are stepping on Point A and the Middle (inconsistent) while you want the opposing side to stay on Point B. As an atheist stay on one argument of your unbelief and lets liev

#EndPoint
You can only eject God from you sense NOT from your conscience

xpmode:


You are inconsistent in your post. Ab initio, you are an atheist who denied God existence, but somehow accept otherwise just to create this Topic.
You further your post that God created Hell [as a judgement factor] for moral deficit. Now you claim morals don't come from God.

If moral doesn't come from God, why does he have to interfere in a matter that did not concern His existence?

To me, you are stepping on Point A and the Middle (inconsistent) while you want the opposing side to stay on Point B. As an atheist stay on one argument of your unbelief and lets liev

#EndPoint
You can only eject God from you sense NOT from your conscience

You clearly don't understand the point of my posts. In as much as i completely reject the God hypothesis, i'm laying down these arguments for the sake of exposing the contradictions in "God's plan".
I'm not a theist. I'm not the one making the claims of the existence of a deity to fill in the gaps of things we cannot comprehend about our universe. The burden of proof is on the christians, i don't have to prove anything.

vexen.co.uk/religion/universe.html
This link sums it up. Atheism is a more logical standpoint because when it comes to matters concerning the origin of the universe, theists make more assumptions than atheists.

Go through all my previous posts. More carefully this time.

XxSabrinaxX:


You clearly don't understand the point of my posts. In as much as i completely reject the God hypothesis, i'm laying down these arguments for the sake of exposing the contradictions in "God's plan". Go through all my previous posts. More carefully this time.

No I won't go through other posts, it is your duty to lay a good foundation in your OP not everyone has the time to read all after-thought responses

"God's plan" is in the Bible. If you will have anything to say about "God's plan", rejecting Biblical references and quotation is a bad idea.

John 3:16 is a starting point
Matt 25:41 [KJV]- Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


If we agree that God created Heaven and Hell [1st Premise]
Then we must agree He is the creator of the universe [2nd premise]

If you agree to the premise above then:
God is the only one who has the exclusive right to set Policies that governs his creation.
Being the creator, should we question him how he choose to run His government? I guess no, we rather agree to his Diplomatic Terms which is John 3:16

xpmode:


No I won't go through other posts, it is your duty to lay a good foundation in your OP not everyone has the time to read all after-thought responses

"God's plan" is in the Bible. If you will have anything to say about "God's plan", rejecting Biblical references and quotation is a bad idea.

John 3:16 is a starting point
Matt 25:41 [KJV]- Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


If we agree that God created Heaven and Hell [1st Premise]
Then we must agree He is the creator of the universe [2nd premise]

If you agree to the premise above then:
God is the only one who has the exclusive right to set Policies that governs his creation.
Being the creator, should we question him how he choose to run His government? I guess no, we rather agree to his Diplomatic Terms which is John 3:16

Then my argument with you has no point because i've addressed some of your points in some of my previous posts here.

And don't even bring up the Bible lol. That book is just one long text of lies and contradictions.

Genesis gives two different accounts of the creation story, each with a different order. You only need to look at internal consistency to know that at least one of those accounts must be wrong.

We know that the earth was not created in 6 days.

We know that the earth was not the first thing created.

We know that the sun was not the first thing created.

We know that all life on earth evolved from earlier life forms that themselves evolved from earlier life forms, going all the
way back to the first formation of single cells.

We're pretty sure that there was a regional flood on which the story of Noah might be loosely based, but with the possible exception of when the earth was very young and its land masses were still forming (billions of years ago), there has never been a global flood.

The Bible is a large book. It's an anthology of many stories. There are some things in it that have been corroborated by other historical investigations, but there are many things that we know to be false, and many things that we know to be highly unlikely.

If i have to prove to you that your god does not exist, you'll have to prove that i'm not your god testing you.

XxSabrinaxX:


Then my argument with you has no point because i've addressed some of your points in some of my previous posts here.

And don't even bring up the Bible lol. That book is just one long text of lies and contradictions.

Genesis gives two different accounts of the creation story, each with a different order. You only need to look at internal consistency to know that at least one of those accounts must be wrong.

We know that the earth was not created in 6 days.

We know that the earth was not the first thing created.

We know that the sun was not the first thing created.

We know that all life on earth evolved from earlier life forms that themselves evolved from earlier life forms, going all the
way back to the first formation of single cells.

We're pretty sure that there was a regional flood on which the story of Noah might be loosely based, but with the possible exception of when the earth was very young and its land masses were still forming (billions of years ago), there has never been a global flood.

The Bible is a large book. It's an anthology of many stories. There are some things in it that have been corroborated by other historical investigations, but there are many things that we know to be false, and many things that we know to be highly unlikely.

If i have to prove to you that your god does not exist, you'll have to prove that i'm not your god testing you.

You don't have to prove anything.

Please give your life to Christ... Confess your sins and accept him.. Don't say nobody preached to you. For I have just told you

XxSabrinaxX:


https://www.barna.com/research/atheism-doubles-among-generation-z/

This is just in the United States alone.
And then we have Europe:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/21/christianity-non-christian-europe-young-people-survey-religion

When i say Christianity is dying, i mean it as a FACT.

The rules of God's game are just so silly.

God makes mankind to worship him? Why? Why would a god need worship? Is god lonely and narcissistic?

God creates man with "free will", knowing full well what will happen. Is that free will? Or was god setting up mankind to fail?

God then punishes mankind for failure that was built in. Not justice at all. That's like hitting a toddler because they asked a question.

God then creates a Son, to be a human sacrifice, to cleanse the sin of Adam which I guess has continued on through the generations....

Anyway I could keep going. But let me address the "What if God Really does exist" nagging feeling. What if Zeus exists? What if Allah is the true god? What if Shintoism is the correct religion?

If god truly is real, then i suspect it will be indifferent to humanity, because the universe is indifferent to humanity. There is no reason to believe anything happens to you after you die other than the lights go out and your body eventually decays, which is to say becoming food for other life, which gets eaten by other life, and so on and so on....

Life is a quirk of chemistry. Consciousness is a true mystery but no need to assign the cause as God if there is no evidence for it.

Christianity is dying in your delusion. Lol do you know how many times it was said? The survival of Christianity in the midst of opposition is a testament to the fact that a mighty power is involved.

In as much God made you, then you are bound by his rule.

Your question is very dumb, God created man to worship him because he delights in humanity.
Why do you love colours and music? Are you a narcissist?
How did God set man up to fail? If I tell you not to touch a live wire and you did and got electrocuted how is that my fault? Even if I know before hand provided I told you the right thing I am absolved from any blame.

Did God ever live anyone in darkness concerning himself and his law? What did you do with it?

Another stupidity, is comparing humanity to a toddler? I laugh at your silliness.

Who told you God punishes man for asking a question?

If you like deny fact but it doesn't change it.
All that is happening in the world today are fulfilling biblical prophecy.
If Zeus or Allah doesnt exist I wouldn't be insulting them, if fact to me, I am indiffferent.
But shocker, zeus, Allah and other gods really exist but they are not the true God.

Christianity does not deny the existence of other gods.

1 Corinthians 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

God exists and he is involved in human affairs.

Don't make the greatest mistake. If you die and found out there is God it will be a great loss to you.

xpmode:


You are inconsistent in your post. Ab initio, you are an atheist who denied God existence, but somehow accept otherwise just to create this Topic.
You further your post that God created Hell [as a judgement factor] for moral deficit. Now you claim morals don't come from God.

If moral doesn't come from God, why does he have to interfere in a matter that did not concern His existence?

To me, you are stepping on Point A and the Middle (inconsistent) while you want the opposing side to stay on Point B. As an atheist stay on one argument of your unbelief and lets liev

#EndPoint
You can only eject God from you sense NOT from your conscience

don't mind her.
Very inconsistent!

solite3:
don't mind her.
Very inconsistent!

You shouldn't be overly proud of anything/anyone, not even your god/God.

solite3:
Christianity is dying in your delusion. Lol do you know how many times it was said? The survival of Christianity in the midst of opposition is a testament to the fact that a mighty power is involved.

In as much God made you, then you are bound by his rule.

Your question is very dumb, God created man to worship him because he delights in humanity.
Why do you love colours and music? Are you a narcissist?
How did God set man up to fail? If I tell you not to touch a live wire and you did and got electrocuted how is that my fault? Even if I know before hand provided I told you the right thing I am absolved from any blame.

Did God ever live anyone in darkness concerning himself and his law? What did you do with it?

Another stupidity, is comparing humanity to a toddler? I laugh at your silliness.

Who told you God punishes man for asking a question?

If you like deny fact but it doesn't change it.
All that is happening in the world today are fulfilling biblical prophecy.
If Zeus or Allah doesnt exist I wouldn't be insulting them, if fact to me, I am indiffferent.
But shocker, zeus, Allah and other gods really exist but they are not the true God.

Christianity does not deny the existence of other gods.

1 Corinthians 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

God exists and he is involved in human affairs.

Don't make the greatest mistake. If you die and found out there is God it will be a great loss to you.

LMAO!!! It's either you're too mentally relapsed to understand the links OR you're just too butthurt to admit that your precious religion is gradually becoming a myth. The evidence is there for all who have brains and are not deluded by magical fairy tales to see.

That exact attitude of “You worthless piece of sh!t you know nothing now shut the hell up and trust me” is the exact reason I don’t trust god. You may say that’s my arrogance but I say that’s abuse. We even have a term for it called battered person syndrome where the person abused thinks they are the cause (because they sin in Christian’s case) or is to scared to leave (fear of hell). God is nothing more than abusive person who has never given me any light or reason to believe he exists and is god or that as god he has any good intentions at all.

You may say he gave me light but this obviously is a lie because if he did I would believe since he supposedly knows what it takes to prove himself to me. He hasn’t so he doesn’t exist and if he does exist he is an evil liar because he didn’t prove himself and will send me to hell anyway.

End of story, its very simple, either he exists and gives me
the proof I need like he says he does or he doesn’t. Since a vast majority of the world never receives any light as evidenced by the world itself then he doesn’t exist or is a liar.

You can act like a self righteous dumbass and cry all day long about how doomed i am, but the truth is simple: God is either evil (and dumber than a pile of rocks) or He doesn't exist. Take your pick.

And don't even get me started on how science has been pummelling your so called God into obscurity for centuries.

HellVictorinho:


You shouldn't be overly proud of anything/anyone, not even your god/God.

Yes if your God hasn't got the WISDOM to answer thought provoking questions, but when my God gives me the WISDOM to give indisputable response to all questions, i will PROUDLY and CONFIDENTLY boast of HIS existence anytime anywhere and before anybody! Jeremiah 9:23,24
My JEHOVAH can answer all your questions! Isaiah 54:17

TATIME:
Yes if your God hasn't got the WISDOM to answer thought provoking questions, but when my God gives me the WISDOM to give indisputable response to all questions, i will PROUDLY and CONFIDENTLY boast of HIS existence anytime anywhere and before anybody! Jeremiah 9:23,24
My JEHOVAH can answer all your questions! Isaiah 54:17

Indeed.

XxSabrinaxX:


LMAO!!! It's either you're too mentally relapsed to understand the links OR you're just too butthurt to admit that your precious religion is gradually becoming a myth. The evidence is there for all who have brains and are not deluded by magical fairy tales to see.

That exact attitude of “You worthless piece of sh!t you know nothing now shut the hell up and trust me” is the exact reason I don’t trust god. You may say that’s my arrogance but I say that’s abuse. We even have a term for it called battered person syndrome where the person abused thinks they are the cause (because they sin in Christian’s case) or is to scared to leave (fear of hell). God is nothing more than abusive person who has never given me any light or reason to believe he exists and is god or that as god he has any good intentions at all.

You may say he gave me light but this obviously is a lie because if he did I would believe since he supposedly knows what it takes to prove himself to me. He hasn’t so he doesn’t exist and if he does exist he is an evil liar because he didn’t prove himself and will send me to hell anyway.

End of story, its very simple, either he exists and gives me
the proof I need like he says he does or he doesn’t. Since a vast majority of the world never receives any light as evidenced by the world itself then he doesn’t exist or is a liar.

You can act like a self righteous dumbass and cry all day long about how doomed i am, but the truth is simple: God is either or evil (and dumber than a pile of rocks) or He doesn't exist. Take your pick.

And don't even get me started on how science has been pummelling your so called God into obscurity for centuries.

You write like a man, lordreed precisely.

XxSabrinaxX:


LMAO!!! It's either you're too mentally relapsed to understand the links OR you're just too butthurt to admit that your precious religion is gradually becoming a myth. The evidence is there for all who have brains and are not deluded by magical fairy tales to see.

That exact attitude of “You worthless piece of sh!t you know nothing now shut the hell up and trust me” is the exact reason I don’t trust god. You may say that’s my arrogance but I say that’s abuse. We even have a term for it called battered person syndrome where the person abused thinks they are the cause (because they sin in Christian’s case) or is to scared to leave (fear of hell). God is nothing more than abusive person who has never given me any light or reason to believe he exists and is god or that as god he has any good intentions at all.

You may say he gave me light but this obviously is a lie because if he did I would believe since he supposedly knows what it takes to prove himself to me. He hasn’t so he doesn’t exist and if he does exist he is an evil liar because he didn’t prove himself and will send me to hell anyway.

End of story, its very simple, either he exists and gives me
the proof I need like he says he does or he doesn’t. Since a vast majority of the world never receives any light as evidenced by the world itself then he doesn’t exist or is a liar.

You can act like a self righteous dumbass and cry all day long about how doomed i am, but the truth is simple: God is either or evil (and dumber than a pile of rocks) or He doesn't exist. Take your pick.

And don't even get me started on how science has been pummelling your so called God into obscurity for centuries.

hehe why should I be hurt? Have you ever seen Christians fight for their God? It's because God can take care of himself.



the proof of God is there for all with eyes to see. True Science and not science fiction has even led many to believe in the existence of God

may God heal you.

OpenYourEyes1:

You write like a man, lordreed precisely.

If that's meant to be a complement, ill take it
And who's lordreed?

solite3:
hehe why should I be hurt? Have you ever seen Christians fight for their God? It's because God can take care of himself.



the proof of God is there for all with eyes to see. True Science and not science fiction has even led many to believe in the existence of God

may God heal you.

And good riddance to you too. The number of brainwashed clowns in this thread is enough without you boosting it with ur gross irrationality.

HellVictorinho:


Indeed.

WITNESSED! After a lengthy question and answer section to ascertain what FAITH truly means and the benefits thereof,the conclusion was "Fine!"

OpenYourEyes1:


You write like a man, lordreed precisely.

LMFAO! What's with you people and defaulting to conspiracy theories once you've been debunked? Like I would need another moniker to smoke your ass. LMFAO!

TATIME:
WITNESSED! After a lengthy question and answer section to ascertain what FAITH truly means and the benefits thereof,the conclusion was "Fine!"

I was the one that had to answer your question (s) at the end,actually.

XxSabrinaxX:

If that's meant to be a complement, ill take it

And who's lordreed?

Apparently one of their nightmares. LoL!

HellVictorinho:


I was the one that had to answer your question (s) at the end,actually.

Hmmmmmmmmm you truly did answer what you meant by FAITH and to the best of my understanding it's like you believe "different people have abilities to go further in life"!
Whereas my definition of FAITH is believing in "a role model for all men to shapen our mindset for a better coexistence"!
You can compare the two to SEE the flaws in your definition.
One talks about each person exhibiting his/her abilities leading to all sort of injurious ambitions.
While the later talks about principle that will guide all intelligent beings so that no one misuse the gift of FREEWILL!

LordReed:

Apparently one of their nightmares. LoL!

Lol. Are you an atheist too?

XxSabrinaxX:

Lol. Are you an atheist too?

Yup

XxSabrinaxX:
This is my first thread on NL. I've noticed how passionate people on these religion forums are when matters like these are brought. So i just felt like i should try my hand at debating on NL.

Hell is a horrible idea. If God truly thinks that our “freewill” based on a limited time on earth means most of us have to live in a “hell” forever, then
yes, he’s evil, and terribly insane. However, i also want to add that if hell actually exists, then the cold truth is that ultimately, most of the human race is going there. Some Christians like to downplay this. It’s an undeniable fact if we applied Christian theology, there's really no debate.
This not only makes God evil, but portrays Satan as a smarter, more efficient presence amongst man, resulting in Satan winning his purpose over Jesus.
Jesus came to earth to save mankind. Judging by the kind of lives we live, i think its safe to say that God has been highly incompetent in making man see the truth.

You got it wrong. God did not create hell for you. Hell was created for the devil and his demons. When God created man, he made him a free moral agent. Man sinned and became subject to death and Satan. So, he was destined to go to hell since Satan was already hell bound. So what God did through Jesus was a rescue mission. If you believe in Jesus, your destiny will be reprogrammmed for heaven. Anyone who reject this offer of salvation has chosen to remain on the pathway of hell.

So, it is not like God said, believe in Jesus or you go to hell. We were already hell bound but in his infinite love, came and rescued us. So, the choice is yours. Reject the offer of salvation and continue your journey to hell. Accept Jesus and change your direction of travel to heaven.

TruthinAction:


You got it wrong. God did not create hell for you. Hell was created for the devil and his demons. When God created man, he made him a free moral agent. Man sinned and became subject to death and Satan. So, he was destined to go to hell since Satan was already hell bound. So what God did through Jesus was a rescue mission. If you believe in Jesus, your destiny will be reprogrammmed for heaven. Anyone who reject this offer of salvation has chosen to remain on the pathway of hell.

So, it is not like God said, believe in Jesus or you go to hell. We were already hell bound but in his infinite love, came and rescued us. So, the choice is yours. Reject the offer of salvation and continue your journey to hell. Accept Jesus and change your direction of travel to heaven.

I have one question for you: who planted the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden?

OP... I don't state this in judgment, but if you even had an idea how powerful and good GOD is, you would be afraid and ashamed to refer to the Most High GOD in such a manner. Why?

+++++++++

"For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?" - Romans 9:17-24

"But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." - Romans 5:8

"The Lord is gracious and full of compassion, Slow to anger and great in mercy. The Lord is good to all, And His tender mercies are over all His works." - Psalm 145:8-9

XxSabrinaxX:


I have one question for you: who planted the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden?

God did.

TruthinAction:


God did.

He did, didn't he?

Now you'll agree with me that God is omniscient, right? I mean that's one of His defining properties. All knowledge of the past, present and the future is contained in him. All his choices are predetermined. He cannot have free will because that would contradict His omniscience. There's no logic to be found there.

So are you telling me that God was not aware of the choices Adam and Eve would make when the Serpent seduced them? There are only two logical answers i can draw out here

a) He was fully aware of the choices they'd make, but went ahead to punish them and their subsequent descendants with pain, labour, suffering, death etc. Explain to me how God is benevolent in this scenario? He knew exactly what was going to happen but he went ahead to plant that Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and create a sin loop in the process.

b) He was not aware of the choices they'd make which completely contradicts God's omniscience.

Psalm 147:5
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite.

1 John 3:20
in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things.

Psalm 139:1-4
Even before there is a word on my tongue, Behold, O LORD, You know it all.

Matthew 10:30
"But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Hebrews 4:13
And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.

Psalm 139:1-3
O LORD, You have searched me and known me. You know when I sit down and when I rise up; You understand my thought from afar. You scrutinize my path and my lying down, And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.

Psalm 44:21
Would not God find this out? For He knows the secrets of the heart.

So, if i may ask, what's God's excuse?