There are 2.4 Billion Christians , 1.8 Billion Muslims, 1.15 Billion Hindus, 1.2 Billion non-religious or secular human beings and Billions of other religionists including Jews and Deists.

Within each of these religions there are thousands of sects each claiming to be the TRUTH while declaring others as FAKE.

Certainly one of these ideologies has to be right and so why is it that the rest of mankind is allowed to wallow in deception, confusion and hopelessness.

Many religious adherents have very good and noble intentions and really want to please God and go to heaven when they die. Obviously this means they also want to avoid Hell. The fanatical and most ardent followers resort to various means to actively convert others to their own version of truth and will also work to prevent converts from deconverting. To prevent their members from deconverting, they will use various means such as the threat of hell and brimstone, murder, imprisonment, humiliation, ostracisation and dispossession of landed property and assets.

Why is MAN deceived or allowed to be deceived despite noble and sincere intentions. I struggle to understand this confusion and the pain and sadness and sometimes euphoria it brings into peoples lives.

My question really is , who is right , and why are the others deceived , or why does GOD allow men and women to follow wrong paths ?

God did not leave us without witness; Anyone who searches genuinely will find him

Athiests are right
Theists are decieved

MrPresident1:
God did not leave us without witness; Anyone who searches genuinely will find him

True, but there are many people who we would classify as righteous and who really fear God but they are in the wrong religion, or sect or may even be irreligious. Does something so straightforward as finding our maker have to be littered with such chaos and confusion ?

frosbel2:


True, but there are many people who we would classify as righteous and who really fear God but they are in the wrong religion, or sect or may even be irreligious. Does something so straightforward as finding our maker have to be littered with such chaos and confusion ?

okay!!! you said man is decieve. by what? if you are fully convinced that man is decieve by religion, then it mean that you know the true god, if I may ask, who is he ? how can we reach out to him ?

unless you are an atheist , I see know different between you and a religion sect.

My daughter is barely two years old...

She doesn't know my father.. and she won't have the privilege to see my dad because he is dead.

In the next five years, I will tell her that I had a Father.

She will have to believe my word. A picture of my dad is not even an evidence to her because she will not be able to tell if that's my father or not.

I am the evidence of the fact that I had a father. She will not understand this evidence until a certain time of her life.

God exists. We believe by what we have read about him and through our experiences as we walk with him.

As we walk with him, we get to know him more and feel his manifestation...

The more we grow in our knowledge of him, the more we know more.

Paul walked with God and God told him it was time for him to be called home to rest. Same with Peter.

God became so real to them that they endured persecutions and gruesome execution.

A child in the womb doesn't have any memory of his or her existence....Yet, that knowledge of the child's existence is so common among those who saw the mother pregnant ...

She could argue that she never lived in the womb..

The fact that we don't know something or see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist or it is false.

God is real. Read, look around and find him.

malvisguy212:
okay!!! you said man is decieve. by what? if you are fully convinced that man is decieve by religion, then it mean that you know the true god, if I may ask, who is he ? how can we reach out to him ?

unless you are an atheist , I see know different between you and a religion sect.

I am not an atheist Sir !

Originakalokalo:

My daughter is barely two years old...

She doesn't know my father.. and she won't have the privilege to see my dad because he is dead.

In the next five years, I will tell her that I had a Father.

She will have to believe my word. A picture of my dad is not even an evidence to her because she will not be able to tell if that's my father or not.

I am the evidence of the fact that I had a father. She will not understand this evidence until a certain time of her life.

God exists. We believe by what we have read about him and through our experiences as we walk with him.

As we walk with him, we get to know him more and feel his manifestation...

The more we grow in our knowledge of him, the more we know more.

Paul walked with God and God told him it was time for him to be called home to rest. Same with Peter.

God became so real to them that they endured persecutions and gruesome execution.

A child in the womb doesn't have any memory of his or her existence....Yet, that knowledge of the child's existence is so common among those who saw the mother pregnant ...

She could argue that she never lived in the womb..

The fact that we don't know something or see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist or it is false.

God is real. Read, look around and find him.

God exists to my knowledge. Please read the post again to understand the context and then respond.

frosbel2:


True, but there are many people who we would classify as righteous and who really fear God but they are in the wrong religion, or sect or may even be irreligious. Does something so straightforward as finding our maker have to be littered with such chaos and confusion ?

Wrong religion? No. God says the one who fed clothed sheltered his neighbour is the one who will receive a welcome from him, so this encompasses all righteous people. Paul says of the gentiles that though they do not have the law, yet they behave as if they have the law Romans 2:26 so their uncircumcision is counted for circumcision.

We have the conscience to guide us in all we do; and when we develop a pattern of consistent well doing, we will surely find God just as he promised.

Jeremiah 22:16
16 He judged the cause of the poor and needy; then it was well with him: was not this to know me? saith the Lord.

To know the LORD, we must consistently search for him, we will cross hurdles, but we will find him eventually.

Jeremiah 29:13
And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

frosbel2:


God exists to my knowledge. Please read the post again to understand the context and then respond.

OK.

I will.

frosbel2:


I am not an atheist Sir !

then you are know different with all the religion you mentioned.

you have not answer my questions.

MrPresident1:


Wrong religion? No. God says the one who fed clothed sheltered his neighbour is the one who will receive a welcome from him, so this encompasses all righteous people. Paul says of the gentiles that though they do not have the law, yet they behave as if they have the law Romans 2:26 so their uncircumcision is counted for circumcision.

We have the conscience to guide us in all we do; and when we develop a pattern of consistent well doing, we will surely find God just as he promised.

Jeremiah 22:16
16 He judged the cause of the poor and needy; then it was well with him: was not this to know me? saith the Lord.

To know the LORD, we must consistently search for him, we will cross hurdles, but we will find him eventually.

Jeremiah 29:13
And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

The Jewish scripture you just quoted WAS NEVER revealed to the Africans in times of yore , why is this ? Also, the scripture you quoted from Paul in romans was never known by our ancestors for millenia. Why ? Why now - why not then ?

Further , the same Jewish scripture you quoted from also has beautiful scripture like Deuteronomy 28 second part. What sort of religion is this with so much hate , anger and punishment ?

However, if you do not obey the Lord your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come on you and overtake you:

16 You will be cursed in the city and cursed in the country.

17 Your basket and your kneading trough will be cursed.

18 The fruit of your womb will be cursed, and the crops of your land, and the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks.

19 You will be cursed when you come in and cursed when you go out.

20 The Lord will send on you curses, confusion and rebuke in everything you put your hand to, until you are destroyed and come to sudden ruin because of the evil you have done in forsaking him.[a] 21 The Lord will plague you with diseases until he has destroyed you from the land you are entering to possess. 22 The Lord will strike you with wasting disease, with fever and inflammation, with scorching heat and drought, with blight and mildew, which will plague you until you perish. 23 The sky over your head will be bronze, the ground beneath you iron. 24 The Lord will turn the rain of your country into dust and powder; it will come down from the skies until you are destroyed.

God hid himself from the world, but it was not so from the beginning. Until Christ returns, anyone who seek God will need to be very diligent in his search.

MrPresident1:
God hid himself from the world, but it was not so from the beginning. Until Christ returns, anyone who seek God will need to be very diligent in his search.

Your Christ according to Christianity. Over 4 Billion human beings disagree with you. Who is right and why

@frosbel... Since, and because of the fall of man, all humanity stemming from the first man and woman are typically born in sin, disconnected in spirit from the Almighty/The Creator, per His warning to Adam before the fall (Genesis 2:17).

“Behold, all souls are Mine; The soul of the father As well as the soul of the son is Mine; The soul who sins shall die." - Ezekiel 18:4 (that's divine law)

Humanity is collectively comparable to prisoners in a pit, sentenced to death/destruction... but, by His grace and because of His personal sacrifice - the Lord Jesus Christ - Who stood in the place of/took the punishment required by the law... of many, many undeserving.

"But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed."

Note that no other religion or belief system (except Christianity - which should be about a personal relationship with Christ), has a solution for humanity's sin problem, particularly being acceptable before the holy GOD.

"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” - Acts 4:12

In the end, it will be what it is according to GOD's purpose... but know this, GOD is perfect!; notwithstanding human inability to inherently comprehend that, and other things.

++++++++++

frosbel2:
There are 2.4 Billion Christians , 1.8 Billion Muslims, 1.15 Billion Hindus, 1.2 Billion non-religious or secular human beings and Billions of other religionists including Jews and Deists.

Within each of these religions there are thousands of sects each claiming to be the TRUTH while declaring others as FAKE.

Certainly one of these ideologies has to be right and so why is it that the rest of mankind is allowed to wallow in deception, confusion and hopelessness.

Many religious adherents have very good and noble intentions and really want to please God and go to heaven when they die. Obviously this means they also want to avoid Hell. The fanatical and most ardent followers resort to various means to actively convert others to their own version of truth and will also work to prevent converts from deconverting. To prevent their members from deconverting, they will use various means such as the threat of hell and brimstone, murder, imprisonment, humiliation, ostracisation and dispossession of landed property and assets.

Why is MAN deceived or allowed to be deceived despite noble and sincere intentions. I struggle to understand this confusion and the pain and sadness and sometimes euphoria it brings into peoples lives.

My question really is , who is right , and why are the others deceived , or why does GOD allow men and women to follow wrong paths ?

frosbel2:


The Jewish scripture you just quoted WAS NEVER revealed to the Africans in times of yore , why is this ? Also, the scripture you quoted from Paul in romans was never known by our ancestors for millenia. Why ? Why now - why not then ?

Further , the same Jewish scripture you quoted from also has beautiful scripture like Deuteronomy 28 second part. What sort of religion is this with so much hate , anger and punishment ?

We have all been deceived by satan. The Scriptures was written by the inspiration of God by BLACK PEOPLE. Every single prophet in the Bible was black. You will be very surprised to know that the Bible does not belong to the white man or to the Israelis, it belongs to the blackman specifically the Negro.

Everything we Negros are facing is a consequence of our disobedience, we are now living under the Deuteronomy curses which is essentially the tribulations Jesus talked about. Whenever the Israelites sinned, they entered travails and tribulations inflicted upon them by their enemies until they call upon God, and he saved them. Our own problem is that we do not know the God we have been calling upon, we have been disconnected from him; we are religious (which shows that we are essentially godly people) but because we are confused and have no knowledge, we are godless at the same time. Imagine if we are able to mix our fervour with knowledge!

Satan deceived everyone. The whiteman has not been on top forever. The socalled dark ages lasted for about 1000 years, it was the period the blackman ruled the world, then the European Renaissance came, and the Whiteman emerged from his mental shackles. Since that time till now, about 500years, the blackman has been in mental shackles which will only be released when Jesus returns.

Jesus is right.

Christianity is the only religion (permit me to use the word *religion* for lack of words) that solves the problem of mankind.

What is the problem of mankind?

The problem is SEPARATION FROM THE PRESENCE OF GOD......CAUSED BY SIN.

This Problem started from the beginning AT THE GARDEN OF EDEN.

Jesus, a blameless lamb, came to remove the barrier of sin between man and God...

No Religion offers to solve the problem that has started from the beginning... which is the problem of SIN, a major separator between man and God.

I will answer the second question soon.

frosbel2:


Your Christ according to Christianity. Over 4 Billion human beings disagree with you. Who is right and why

4 billion human beings disagree with me that it is not good to take care of the needy and the widows and the less privileged? Can you name a religion that goes against these virtues?

MrPresident1:


4 billion human beings disagree with me that it is not good to take care of the needy and the widows and the less privileged? Can you name a religion that goes against these virtues?

the disagreement is not with taking care of widows and needy.
The disagreement is on who is the supreme almighty being, is it Jehova, Buddha, Allah or the flying spaghetti monster

When you do what the Creator wants, he will reveal himself to you and you will find him.

CreepyBlackpool:

the disagreement is not with taking care of widows and needy.
The disagreement is on who is the supreme almighty being, is it Jehova, Buddha, Allah or the flying spaghetti monster

Originakalokalo:


Jesus is right.

Christianity is the only religion (permit me to use the word *religion* for lack of words) that solves the problem of mankind.

What is the problem of mankind?

The problem is SEPARATION FROM THE PRESENCE OF GOD......CAUSED BY SIN.

This Problem started from the beginning AT THE GARDEN OF EDEN.

Jesus, a blameless lamb, came to remove the barrier of sin between man and God...

No Religion offers to solve the problem that has started from the beginning... which is the problem of SIN, a major separator between man and God.

I will answer the second question soon.

The word of God is man's manual. people dont get it.

JESUS IS LORD FOREVER AND EVER

MrPresident1:
When you do what the Creator wants, he will reveal himself to you and you will find him.

Believers of every other religion on earth will say this too. A Muslim will tell you he too sought and Allah revealed Himself to him.

What makes your own God more legitimate than his?

CreepyBlackpool:

Believers of every other religion on earth will say this too. A Muslim will tell you he too sought and Allah revealed Himself to him.

What makes your own God more legitimate than his?

When you have done what the Creator wants you will find him. Is love not the highest good?

There is only One True God who reveals himself to the truly deserving

The Bible contains no myth.

MrPresident1:


When you have done what the Creator wants you will find him. Is love not the highest good?

There is only One True God who reveals himself to the truly deserving

A Buddhist told me this same thing.

I guess that One True God is Buddha

God is love

CreepyBlackpool:

A Buddhist told me this same thing.

I guess that One True God is Buddha

What if you are wrong?
All religions claim to be the one true religion.
All religions have manuals/pamphlets called holy books proclaiming to be the true religion.
All these manuals/pamphlets warn of the dire consequences of failing to adhere to the instructions therein.
In fact all these pamphlets/manuals proscribe the punishment for failing to follow the one true religion.
The proscribed punishment in all these pamphlets/manuals Is eternal burning in an everlasting fire located somewhere in the adherents delusion.
All these religions can't be right.
So if one religions manual/pamphlet is right,it logically follows that all the other pamphlets/manuals are false and ultimately wrong.
The question is which is the true pamphlet/manual?
God who can put an end to the rancor and arguments over the true religion has chosen to hide himself.
It then follows that all adherents of religion are just guessing which religion is the true religion.
However every adherent of religion in any form should spare a thought today-what if I am wrong? What if my gamble on what is the true religion fails?"
Ultimately you are all gamblers. Betting odds on the fact that your true religion takes you to heaven or uncountable virgins.
So what if you are WRONG?

You may like to watch this short video if you have enough data-


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GScdUIYXglA

Dantedasz:
What if you are wrong?
All religions claim to be the one true religion.
All religions have manuals/pamphlets called holy books proclaiming to be the true religion.
All these manuals/pamphlets warn of the dire consequences of failing to adhere to the instructions therein.
In fact all these pamphlets/manuals proscribe the punishment for failing to follow the one true religion.
The proscribed punishment in all these pamphlets/manuals Is eternal burning in an everlasting fire located somewhere in the adherents delusion.
All these religions can't be right.
So if one religions manual/pamphlet is right,it logically follows that all the other pamphlets/manuals are false and ultimately wrong.
The question is which is the true pamphlet/manual?
God who can put an end to the rancor and arguments over the true religion has chosen to hide himself.
It then follows that all adherents of religion are just guessing which religion is the true religion.
However every adherent of religion in any form should spare a thought today-what if I am wrong? What if my gamble on what is the true religion fails?"
Ultimately you are all gamblers. Betting odds on the fact that your true religion takes you to heaven or uncountable virgins.
So what if you are WRONG?

You may like to watch this short video if you have enough data-


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GScdUIYXglA

There are universal truths, if one adheres to these truths and then follows the directions they give, one will arrive at the presence of the One True God

OpenYourEyes1:
The Bible contains no myth.

Lol. Typical statement from a guy who has been thoroughly brainwashed with MYTH.

Bible Scholars will tell you that your bible is not INERRANT and that it does indeed contain a LOT OF MYTH.

OpenYourEyes1:
The Bible contains no myth.

Typical statement from a guy who has been thoroughly brainwashed with MYTH.

Bible Scholars will tell you that your bible is not INERRANT and that it does indeed contain a LOT OF MYTH.