Yes, God did not ask us to give firstfruits.

"Us" here means non-Jewish Christians. If we (ken4christ, alBHAGDADI and I, for example) had lived in the time when the church was in its infant stage, we would have been called Gentile Christians. the word gentile means outsider or a non-Jew. So, a Gentile Christian is a non-Jewish Christian.

The issue of whether Gentile Christians should keep the Jewish Laws did not start today. It arose even in the Early Church and reached such a destructive point that Paul and Barnabas had to be sent from Antioch to the Jerusalem church to confer with the other elders on the issue of whether Gentile Christians should keep the Jewish Laws (otherwise known as the Laws of Moses) and be circumcised.

The council of elders reached an agreement through the help of the Holy Spirit. Here is the agreement:

"It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: (Acts 15:28)

Please, note the words beyond the following requirements

This means that the Holy Spirit would not burden us (Gentile Christians or non-Jewish Christians) beyond some certain requirements.

"It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:

you are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell." (Acts 15-28-29)

Let us highlight these two verses directed at us, Gentile or non-Jewish Christians.

The Holy Spirit does not want to burden us with anything beyond the following requirements:

1. We should not consume food sacrificed to idols

2. We should not consume the blood or flesh of strangled animals

3. We should abstain from sexual immorality.

ken4christ and alBHAGDADI, I didn't see firstfruits on the requirements. How come?

This thread is also directed at the tithers, especially those who follow the false teachings of Adeboye, Oyedepo and their ilks on tithes.

Gen gen. Make i park here

Well said but, with the above verse, its directed to the Gentiles and not us. Since u believe the jew christians are different from that of the gentiles. Shouldn't believe the gentile Christians is different from Nigeria Christian. My dear, this world is a complicated world. Watin big pass u, big pass u

along3dem:
Well said but, with the above verse, its directed to the Gentiles and not us. Since u believe the jew christians are different from that of the gentiles. Shouldn't believe the gentile Christians is different from Nigeria Christian. My dear, this world is a complicated world. Watin big pass u, big pass u

Bro, I have already explained what "gentile" means. It means "outsider" or "non-Jewish".

A Nigerian Christian is a Gentile Christian.

alBHAGDADI, you recently commented on your own thread.

How come you are avoiding this one? Surely, you got a mention from me.

BluntBoy:
Yes, God did not ask us to give firstfruits.

"Us" here means non-Jewish Christians. If we (ken4christ, alBHAGDADI and I, for example) had lived in the time when the church was in its infant stage, we would have been called Gentile Christians. the word gentile means outsider or a non-Jew. So, a Gentile Christian is a non-Jewish Christian.

The issue of whether Gentile Christians should keep the Jewish Laws did not start today. It arose even in the Early Church and reached such a destructive point that Paul and Barnabas had to be sent from Antioch to the Jerusalem church to confer with the other elders on the issue of whether Gentile Christians should keep the Jewish Laws (otherwise known as the Laws of Moses) and be circumcised.

The council of elders reached an agreement through the help of the Holy Spirit. Here is the agreement:

"It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: (Acts 15:28)

Please, note the words beyond the following requirements

This means that the Holy Spirit would not burden us (Gentile Christians or non-Jewish Christians) beyond some certain requirements.

"It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:

you are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell." (Acts 15-28-29)

Let us highlight these two verses directed at us, Gentile or non-Jewish Christians.

The Holy Spirit does not want to burden us with anything beyond the following requirements:

1. We should not consume food sacrificed to idols

2. We should not consume the blood or flesh of strangled animals

3. We should abstain from sexual immorality.

ken4christ and alBHAGDADI, I didn't see firstfruits on the requirements. How come?

This thread is also directed at the tithers, especially those who follow the false teachings of Adeboye, Oyedepo and their ilks on tithes.

Did it also read, we should stop paying firstfruits and tithes? These are principles that only a believer that has the Spirit of God will not struggle to understand and practice. You are even required to do more in the New Testament. Jesus wants you to sell off all you have and give to the poor. If Jesus demanded this for the poor, do you think he will desire less concerning money given to support the spread of the gospel for which he died?

All these pastors sha want to collect people's January salary by force.

They are all thieves

Ken4Christ:


Did it also read, we should stop paying firstfruits and tithes? These are principles that only a believer that has the Spirit of God will not struggle to understand and practice. You are even required to do more in the New Testament. Jesus wants you to sell off all you have and give to the poor. If Jesus demanded this for the poor, do you think he will desire less concerning money given to support the spread of the gospel for which he died?

Exactly.

These people also love to hammer on New Testament free will giving. Ask them if they've given like the early Christians who sold their land and houses and gave to the church, they'll go mute.

Their aim is to strip the church of access to funds to propagate the gospel. They are antichrists. I just put for the ignoramuses who have fallen for this.

First off, Let us deal with some lies the pro-tithers keep repeating;

I'll be right back...

Ken4Christ:


Did it also read, we should stop paying firstfruits and tithes? These are principles that only a believer that has the Spirit of God will not struggle to understand and practice. You are even required to do more in the New Testament. Jesus wants you to sell off all you have and give to the poor. If Jesus demanded this for the poor, do you think he will desire less concerning money given to support the spread of the gospel for which he died?

If it didn't, then your beliefs are based on assumption.

You assume that since something was not listed as a requirement, then it comes down to a matter of opinion.

If this is so, then why did you say firstfruits for nonJewish Christians is scriptural?

alBHAGDADI:
Exactly.

These people also love to hammer on New Testament free will giving. Ask them if they've given like the early Christians who sold their land and houses and gave to the church, they'll go mute.

Their aim is to strip the church of access to funds to propagate the gospel. They are antichrists. I just put for the ignoramuses who have fallen for this.

You people are merely a con to separate fools from their money.

So, in spite of offerings and donations every Sunday and weekday, in spite of profits got from different businesses such as high brow primary, secondary and tertiary institutions, the church can't do without firstfruits and tithes?

Might I ask why the church runs all these businesses?

It is obviously for profit. So how is the Church not able to manage its expenses?

Ken4Christ:


Did it also read , we should stop paying firstfruits and tithes? These are principles that only a believer that has the Spirit of God will not struggle to understand and practice. You are even required to do more in the New Testament. Jesus wants you to sell off all you have and give to the poor. If Jesus demanded this for the poor, do you think he will desire less concerning money given to support the spread of the gospel for which he died?

Moreover, it is what it reads that matters and not what it doesn't read.

Do not add to the Word.

That passage is not silent about requirements for Gentile Christians. It provided requirements and the Holy Spirit would not burden us BEYOND the requirements in that verse.

There is no tithe or first fruits there.

The fact that they were no mentioned speaks a lot about those aspects of the Law.

BluntBoy:


Moreover, it is what it reads that matters and not what it doesn't read.

Do not add to the Word.

That passage is not silent about requirements for Gentile Christians. It provided requirements and the Holy Spirit would not burden us BEYOND the requirements in that verse.

There is no tithe or first fruits there.

The fact that they were no mentioned speaks a lot about those aspects of the Law.

No, I don't agree. There are many other instructions in other parts of the New Testament not listed there. So, the list is not exhaustive.

Besides, our Lord Jesus said that man should not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

God spoke through the Prophets that we should pay our firstfruits. So it stands.

BluntBoy:


If it didn't, then your beliefs are based on assumption.

You assume that since something was not listed as a requirement, then it comes down to a matter of opinion.

If this is so, then why did you say firstfruits for nonJewish Christians is scriptural?

It is not an assumption. Firstfruits offering principles started even before the Law was given.

Abel offered the firstlings of his flock to God. And God respected his offering. Cain on the other hand didn't offer his firstfruits and God rejected his offering.

The first belongs to God. It's an eternal principle. Please, have spiritual sense.

Ken4Christ:


It is not an assumption. Firstfruits offering principles started even before the Law was given.

Abel offered the firstlings of his flock to God. And God respected his offering. Cain on the other hand didn't offer his firstfruits and God rejected his offering.

The first belongs to God. It's an eternal principle. Please, have spiritual sense.

On the contrary, it is you who should have spiritual sense.

And who told you the first which belongs to God is fruits or money?

Someone who claims to have spiritual sense thinks only of money.

Ken4Christ:


No, I don't agree. There are many other instructions in other parts of the New Testament not listed there. So, the list is not exhaustive.

Besides, our Lord Jesus said that man should not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

God spoke through the Prophets that we should pay our firstfruits. So it stands.

You didn't even read the OP at all.

I gave a background to what caused the council to hold.

The issue was whether the Gentile Christians should keep the Jewish Laws

This includes laws such as tithes and first fruits.

The requirements are specific. The aspects of the Laws to keep are:

Abstinence from idol worshipping.

Not consuming blood or flesh of strangled animals.

Abstinence from sexual immorality.

Ken4Christ:


It is not an assumption. Firstfruits offering principles started even before the Law was given.

Abel offered the firstlings of his flock to God. And God respected his offering. Cain on the other hand didn't offer his firstfruits and God rejected his offering.

The first belongs to God. It's an eternal principle. Please, have spiritual sense.

But why wasn't it expressly mentioned. This is my problem with you tithe/firstfruit proponents. There is no where in the new testament where the apostles expressly mandated the church to pay tithes or firstfruits. Peter didn't do so, neither did Paul nor James nor John. There is also no record in the early church were the Apostles demanded such from the church of God.

It is said any doctrine of God is established by 2 or more witnesses, Yet no record of the early church collecting or demanding tithes from the flock of God. If Paul could list the requirements of being a Bishop yet is silent on Tithes or Firstfruit what do you think that suggests?

Why wasn't it important for the New testament Apostles to expressly state the importance of giving tithes and firstfruits if it was such a cardinal law of God that had existed before the Laws of Moses as you guys love to claim. why the silence by every authentic new testament authority?

If the new testament brings us into Life in Christ and Christ is that seed of Abraham whom God made the promises too and all the Law and the prophets have been fulfilled in Christ and we are in Christ there is no Legal Justification for paying tithes or Firstfuits and other olden practices in this new dispensation of Grace and Light.

Only freewill giving is required and that is as your heart leads. Everyone will sow what they reap as the bible says, nobody can deceive God.

I recognise the practice has been so ingrained in many churches and I do not condenm anyone that pays tithes if the person so wishes as most do it as a religious exercise which to me isn't bad and is probably permissible. I can never criticize the church of God and i'm for anything that advances the gospel of christ to the end of the earth.

But I believe the truth makes free and when people realise it's not necessary they will naturally make the decision to stop paying it and graduate to the freewill giving allowed for the New creation in Christ

you mean it's OK to steal or bear false witness?

dyydxx:


But why wasn't it expressly mentioned. This is my problem with you tithe/firstfruit proponents. There is no where in the new testament where the apostles expressly mandated the church to pay tithes or firstfruits. Peter didn't do so, neither did Paul nor James nor John. There is also no record in the early church were the Apostles demanded such from the church of God.

It is said any doctrine of God is established by 2 or more witnesses, Yet no record of the early church collecting or demanding tithes from the flock of God. If Paul could list the requirements of being a Bishop yet is silent on Tithes or Firstfruit what do you think that suggests?

Why wasn't it important for the New testament Apostles to expressly state the importance of giving tithes and firstfruits if it was such a cardinal law of God that had existed before the Laws of Moses as you guys love to claim. why the silence by every authentic new testament authority?

If the new testament brings us into Life in Christ and Christ is that seed of Abraham whom God made the promises too and all the Law and the prophets have been fulfilled in Christ and we are in Christ there is no Legal Justification for paying tithes or Firstfuits and other olden practices in this new dispensation of Grace and Light.

Only freewill giving is required and that is as your heart leads. Everyone will sow what they reap as the bible says, nobody can deceive God.

I recognise the practice has been so ingrained in many churches and I do not condenm anyone that pays tithes if the person so wishes as most do it as a religious exercise which to me isn't bad and is probably permissible. I can never criticize the church of God and i'm for anything that advances the gospel of christ to the end of the earth.

But I believe the truth makes free and when people realise it's not necessary they will naturally make the decision to stop paying it and graduate to the freewill giving allowed for the New creation in Christ

May the Almighty God bless you tremendously.

sonofthunder:
you mean it's OK to steal or bear false witness?

Many of you talk as if only the Jews had moral laws. The Gentiles who became Christians had their set of natural and moral laws before they became Christians.

You don't need to be a Jew to know that stealing and bearing false witness is bad.

For instance, in precolonial Yorubaland (before the white man brought Christianity), stealing was a crime. Bearing of false witness was condemned because it was an injustice to the person you are witnessing falsely against.

Ken4Christ:


It is not an assumption. Firstfruits offering principles started even before the Law was given.

Abel offered the firstlings of his flock to God. And God respected his offering. Cain on the other hand didn't offer his firstfruits and God rejected his offering.

The first belongs to God. It's an eternal principle. Please, have spiritual sense.

alBHAGDADI:
Exactly.

These people also love to hammer on New Testament free will giving. Ask them if they've given like the early Christians who sold their land and houses and gave to the church, they'll go mute.

Their aim is to strip the church of access to funds to propagate the gospel. They are antichrists. I just put for the ignoramuses who have fallen for this.

Yawns


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qOTnTWRDfw

dyydxx:


But why wasn't it expressly mentioned. This is my problem with you tithe/firstfruit proponents. There is no where in the new testament where the apostles expressly mandated the church to pay tithes or firstfruits. Peter didn't do so, neither did Paul nor James nor John. There is also no record in the early church were the Apostles demanded such from the church of God.

It is said any doctrine of God is established by 2 or more witnesses, Yet no record of the early church collecting or demanding tithes from the flock of God. If Paul could list the requirements of being a Bishop yet is silent on Tithes or Firstfruit what do you think that suggests?

Why wasn't it important for the New testament Apostles to expressly state the importance of giving tithes and firstfruits if it was such a cardinal law of God that had existed before the Laws of Moses as you guys love to claim. why the silence by every authentic new testament authority?

If the new testament brings us into Life in Christ and Christ is that seed of Abraham whom God made the promises too and all the Law and the prophets have been fulfilled in Christ and we are in Christ there is no Legal Justification for paying tithes or Firstfuits and other olden practices in this new dispensation of Grace and Light.

Only freewill giving is required and that is as your heart leads. Everyone will sow what they reap as the bible says, nobody can deceive God.

I recognise the practice has been so ingrained in many churches and I do not condenm anyone that pays tithes if the person so wishes as most do it as a religious exercise which to me isn't bad and is probably permissible. I can never criticize the church of God and i'm for anything that advances the gospel of christ to the end of the earth.

But I believe the truth makes free and when people realise it's not necessary they will naturally make the decision to stop paying it and graduate to the freewill giving allowed for the New creation in Christ

Succinctly put. Old but GOLD!

BluntBoy:
Yes, God did not ask us to give firstfruits.

"Us" here means non-Jewish Christians. If we (ken4christ, alBHAGDADI and I, for example) had lived in the time when the church was in its infant stage, we would have been called Gentile Christians. the word gentile means outsider or a non-Jew. So, a Gentile Christian is a non-Jewish Christian.

The issue of whether Gentile Christians should keep the Jewish Laws did not start today. It arose even in the Early Church and reached such a destructive point that Paul and Barnabas had to be sent from Antioch to the Jerusalem church to confer with the other elders on the issue of whether Gentile Christians should keep the Jewish Laws (otherwise known as the Laws of Moses) and be circumcised.

The council of elders reached an agreement through the help of the Holy Spirit. Here is the agreement:

"It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: (Acts 15:28)

Please, note the words beyond the following requirements

This means that the Holy Spirit would not burden us (Gentile Christians or non-Jewish Christians) beyond some certain requirements.

"It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:

you are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell." (Acts 15-28-29)

Let us highlight these two verses directed at us, Gentile or non-Jewish Christians.

The Holy Spirit does not want to burden us with anything beyond the following requirements:

1. We should not consume food sacrificed to idols

2. We should not consume the blood or flesh of strangled animals

3. We should abstain from sexual immorality.

ken4christ and alBHAGDADI, I didn't see firstfruits on the requirements. How come?

This thread is also directed at the tithers, especially those who follow the false teachings of Adeboye, Oyedepo and their ilks on tithes.

My dear, is any man of God forcing you to pay tithe or first fruit? Please keep your money and your poverty. However, it only fools that doubts proof. Those who are obeying God are reaping the benefits that follows their obedience. Problems with some chronic unbelievers is that they claim to know it all while as the scripture says of natural man like you in 1Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Demaduka:


My dear, is any man of God forcing you to pay tithe or first fruit? Please keep your money and your poverty. However, it only fools that doubts proof. Those who are obeying God are reaping the benefits that follows their obedience. Problems with some chronic unbelievers is that they claim to know it all while as the scripture says of natural man like you in 1Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Pastors use emotional blackmail to force people like yourself into paying tithes.

Pastors are very smart. They don't use guns to rob people. They pervert the Scriptures and use the perverted Scriptures to rob people.

One component of emotional blackmail is fear and that is what the controllers/manipulators (pastors) use the most on their victims (people like yourself).

For instance, when a pastor says things will be tight for you if you don't pay tithe, he is using fear to force you into paying tithes. Some pastors, like Adeboye, use the fear of hell to force people into paying tithes. He says that if you don't pay tithe, you will go to hell.

Pastors are like Yahoo Yahoo boys. They don't rob with guns. Rather, they use strategies that work on people who are easily fooled.

A Yahoo Yahoo guy does not need a gun to rob a white woman in Canada. All he needs is to pretend to love the woman. He gains the woman's trust and uses other tactics to force the woman to start sending money and gifts to him. Yahoo Yahoo boys' major targets are lonely old women who need love in their lives. The Yahoo Yahoo boy promises the old woman love and she falls for him. The major targets of pastors are the poor and the greedy like yourself. The pastor promises them money if they tithe. And they fall for the pastor's tricks.

Very simple, my friend. It is left to you to continue to let them scam you. You have a brain. Please, use it.

And yes, you ought to have a Bible. Read it!!!