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Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by MrPRevailer(m): 8:37pm On Jan 18, 2019
XxSabrinaxX:

I'm an atheist and I don't. You christians love to commit this fallacy of generalization.

Fallacy of generalization is the brain of Athiests.

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Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by Nobody: 8:38pm On Jan 18, 2019
MrPRevailer:


Fallacy of generalization is the brain of Athiests.
Everyone is guilty of the act. But I would argue that Christians are more guilty of this.
Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by MrPRevailer(m): 8:48pm On Jan 18, 2019
Bacteriologist:


I agree with you to some extent.

Einstein was religious but not as many people think.

Einstein did not believe in life after death.
His reason: "because one life is enough for him". grin

Even the creative can sound stupid sometimes.
But the Athiests are always. They don't want to believe in God for silly reasons....because of a hellfire, or moral inclinations, fear etc.

Even robots would not want to be recycled. But is it their choice to make?
Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by Nobody: 8:49pm On Jan 18, 2019
MrPRevailer:


Einstein did not believe in life after death.
His reason: "because one life is enough for him". grin

Even the creative can sound stupid sometimes.
But the Athiests are always. They don't want to believe in God for silly reasons....because of a hellfire, or moral inclinations, fear etc.

Even robots would not want to be recycled. But is it their choice to make?
@Bolded: Classic fallacy of generalization example.
Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by Bacteriologist(m): 8:59pm On Jan 18, 2019
XxSabrinaxX:

@Bolded: Classic fallacy of generalization example.


I'm not even going to reply to such an illogical post. You should have just passed.

He's not worth it.
Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by OpenYourEyes1: 3:16am On Jan 19, 2019
Bacteriologist:


Proof of evolution include:

1. Fossil records
2. Comparative anatomy.
3. Embryology
4. Biogeography.


A simple Google search could solve these problems but there I helped you. If you need articles you can signify.

Makes no sense.

How about
Proofs of God include:

1. Church
2. Bible
3. Moses
4. John

Why don't you explain some of them. I want the proofs from you not google...
Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by GeneralShepherd(m): 3:28am On Jan 19, 2019
BeansAndBread:
But this isn't observable and cannot be proved using the scientific method. This is what we call speculative science and it is blind belief something y'all accuse theists of.

Let me start by saying that I am a Christian but I also know that the big bang is a fact. There are many ways to come to a definite scientific conclusion without an experiment.

There is something called inference. It allows humans to come to definitive conclusion without having to run any experiments.

The universe is currently expanding every second, and the microwave background noise keeps getting fainter this suggests that the universe was once dense. This is by no means the only evidence of the big bang theory.

However, the big bang does not dispel God, because it still begs the question of where did the original dense energy point that caused the universe come from?

Why the dense point? Why could have been nothingness instead of something? By Fermi's paradox, if truly that live is not special we should have come in contact with evidence of extraterrestrial life.

By the way evolution does not claim to explain the origin of the first simple organism that started life, let alone the universe. So I don't see how these scientific theories threaten your faith.

Lastly, our forefathers all believed in God why have you believed that the white man's view of God is the correct view?

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Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by GeneralShepherd(m): 3:34am On Jan 19, 2019
HellVictorinho:
The Universe wasn't like this billions of years ago-FACT.
The Big Bang happened-THEORY.
Cosmic Systems Occur and this also involves cosmic explosions-FACT.
Matter is life and life is matter-FACT.
God exists-BELIEF.
In-Existence is impossible-FACT.
The Forming Of Existence doesn't involve first/last events-FACT.


What do you mean by this?
Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by OpenYourEyes1: 8:23am On Jan 19, 2019
GeneralShepherd:


Let me start by saying that I am a Christian but I also know that the big bang is a fact. There are many ways to come to a definite scientific conclusion without an experiment.

There is something called inference. It allows humans to come to definitive conclusion without having to run any experiments.

The universe is currently expanding every second, and the microwave background noise keeps getting fainter this suggests that the universe was once dense. This is by no means the only evidence of the big bang theory.

However, the big bang does not dispel God, because it still begs the question of where did the original dense energy point that caused the universe come from?

Why the dense point? Why could have been nothingness instead of something? By Fermi's paradox, if truly that live is not special we should have come in contact with evidence of extraterrestrial life.

By the way evolution does not claim to explain the origin of the first simple organism that started life, let alone the universe. So I don't see how these scientific theories threaten your faith.

Lastly, our forefathers all believed in God why have you believed that the white man's view of God is the correct view?

Big bang is mere theory.
Stop saying it a fact. No one has been able stimulate it on a supercomputer.

Explosion does not produce order, it destroys it.
Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by Bacteriologist(m): 8:56am On Jan 19, 2019
OpenYourEyes1:


Makes no sense.

How about
Proofs of God include:

1. Church
2. Bible
3. Moses
4. John

Why don't you explain some of them. I want the proofs from you not google...


No, you're the one making no sense.

The church is a building, the Bible is a book of fairytales and what nots, Moses and John are most certainly fictional characters.

I'm not going to explain none of those as I'm clearly not responsible for your education or your apparent lack of it.

Oh and Google doesn't "provide" answers, it's merely a search engine which links the user to carefully conducted research pages.

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Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by OpenYourEyes1: 8:58am On Jan 19, 2019
Charles Darwin was likely a Mason.

His father(or grandfather?) was a known Mason. He actually was the first to propose the theory evolution.

Mason is an organization of Crooks. Believe them at your own risk.


Here is darwin making freemasonry hand sign called "vow of silence".
Google to see what it means.

Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by OpenYourEyes1: 9:07am On Jan 19, 2019
Bacteriologist:


No, you're the one making no sense.

The church is a building, the Bible is a book of fairytales and what nots, Moses and John are most certainly fictional characters.

I'm not going to explain none of those as I'm clearly not responsible for your education or your apparent lack of it.

Oh and Google doesn't "provide" answers, it's merely a search engine which links the user to carefully conducted research pages.

Are you scared of intellectual debate?
Why are you afraid of debating with a low IQ religious folk like me.
Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by Bacteriologist(m): 9:11am On Jan 19, 2019
OpenYourEyes1:


Are you scared of intellectual debate?
Why are you afraid of debating with a low IQ religious folk like me.


Lol reverse psychology won't work here. I deem you intelligent until you prove otherwise.

Go read up on evolution and come back here to "debate."

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Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by Bacteriologist(m): 10:24am On Jan 19, 2019
A theory is a theory whether you believe it or not.

Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by GoodMuyis(m): 11:55am On Jan 19, 2019
Bacteriologist:

You just confirmed my initial premise with your uncivil response. But I'll still attend to you. wink
Do you need links for unbiased materials for my OP? Then here they are:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/science/atheists-more-intelligent-than-religious-people-faith-instinct-cleverness-a7742766.html%3famp
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.livescience.com/59361-why-are-atheists-generally-more-intelligent.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-human-beast/201005/the-real-reason-atheists-have-higher-iqs%3famp
Moreso, the ability to accept the truth (even if you're too dumb to internalise it) without resorting to cheap insults is an indication of a bright mind. Which you clearly seem to not have.

We, intelligent folks on Nairaland have established the fact that research such as you posted above can be biased or does not reflect the reality on the ground.

If you are a newcomer please search through all the argument thread
If you are a restarter with a new username, don't wake up old topics.

Well if you have the so-called bright mind you will know what I posted up there us pun and not an insult.
Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by OpenYourEyes1: 12:05pm On Jan 19, 2019
Bacteriologist:
A theory is a theory whether you believe it or not.

Where is the Transitional Fossil or the missing link? .. i mean a Creature in-between that transition from orangutan to human.
A half-human, half-ape fossil should exist according to Darwin.

Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by OpenYourEyes1: 12:17pm On Jan 19, 2019
OpenYourEyes1:


Where is the Transitional Fossil or the missing link? .. i mean a Creature in-between that transition from orangutan to human.
A half-human, half-ape fossil should exist according to Darwin.

Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by OpenYourEyes1: 12:22pm On Jan 19, 2019
No transitional fossils. Evolution remains a myth.




"I fully agree with your comments on the lack of direct illustration of evolutionary transitions in my book. If I knew of any, fossil or living, I would certainly have included them. You suggest that an artist should be used to visualise such transformations, but where would he get the information from? I could not, honestly, provide it, and if I were to leave it to artistic licence, would that not mislead the reader?" - Dr Patterson author of Evolution

More Dr Patterson quotes:
"Yet Gould [Stephen J. Gould—the now deceased professor of paleontology from Harvard University] and the American Museum people are hard to contradict when they say there are no transitional fossils. … You say that I should at least “show a photo of the fossil from which each type of organism was derived.” I will lay it on the line—there is not one such fossil for which one could make a watertight argument ."

Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by Bacteriologist(m): 12:24pm On Jan 19, 2019
OpenYourEyes1:


Where is the Transitional Fossil or the missing link? .. i mean a Creature in-between that transition from Bonobo to human.
A half-human, half-ape fossil should exist according to Darwin.


Like I said, read up on evolution and then we can have a debate.

Till then, enjoy my silence.

Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by OpenYourEyes1: 12:35pm On Jan 19, 2019
Bacteriologist:


Like I said, read up on evolution and then we can have a debate.

Till then, enjoy my silence.


If there is no transitional fossil then there is absolutely no evolution.



Even Darwin somewhat doubted his theory with the quotes below.

Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by Heathen777(m): 4:05pm On Jan 19, 2019
I find that most people who doubt the big bang theory have a very poor rudimentary understanding of it.

The big bang theory doesn't state that something exploded from nothing.

All what the big bang theory claims is that:

1) The early universe used to be a lot more hot and dense.

2) The universe has been undergoing expansion.


Each assumptions made is backed up by supporting evidence such as:

1) The Cosmic Microwave Background radiation, which indeed prove that the universe used to be extremely hot.

2) The Red shifts of light from distant galaxies , which also proved the universe has been expanding as time went on,also meaning if we were to run the clock backwards the universe was a lot closer together and denser, meaning temperatures were a lot hotter which would explain the CMB radiation.
Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by OpenYourEyes1: 5:03pm On Jan 19, 2019
Heathen777:
I find that most people who doubt the big bang theory have a very poor rudimentary understanding of it.

The big bang theory doesn't state that something exploded from nothing.

All what the big bang theory claims is that:

1) The early universe used to be a lot more hot and dense.

2) The universe has been undergoing expansion.


Each assumptions made is backed up by supporting evidence such as:

1) The Cosmic Microwave Background radiation, which indeed prove that the universe used to be extremely hot.

2) The Red shifts of light from distant galaxies , which also proved the universe has been expanding as time went on,also meaning if we were to run the clock backwards the universe was a lot closer together and denser, meaning temperatures were a lot hotter which would explain the CMB radiation.







The expanding universe is a fact. I have no problem with that one. our Bible actually recognizes the expansion.

"It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in; " —Isaiah 40:22.


I only disagree with the explosion thing. Explosion does not create order. And the Big bang violates first law of thermodynamics
Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by aadoiza: 5:33pm On Jan 19, 2019
OpenYourEyes1:


Makes no sense.

How about
Proofs of God include:

1. Church
2. Bible
3. Moses
4. John

Why don't you explain some of them. I want the proofs from you not google...
You're funny.
Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by aadoiza: 5:37pm On Jan 19, 2019
OpenYourEyes1:
Charles Darwin was likely a Mason.

His father(or grandfather?) was a known Mason. He actually was the first to propose the theory evolution.

Mason is an organization of Crooks. Believe them at your own risk.


Here is darwin making freemasonry hand sign called "vow of silence".
Google to see what it means.
Not likely, he was a Mason.
Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by Heathen777(m): 8:26pm On Jan 19, 2019
OpenYourEyes1:



The expanding universe is a fact. I have no problem with that one. our Bible actually recognizes the expansion.

"It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in; " —Isaiah 40:22.


I only disagree with the explosion thing. Explosion does not create order. And the Big bang violates first law of thermodynamics

And you're right, explosions do not create order, the big-bang theory has a misleading name.

But the theory itself has nothing to do with explosions, but rather the expansion of space-time.

Order arose in the universe because of the expansion. As the universe expanded it cooled sufficiently to allow for the formation of things with more complexity....
Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by OpenYourEyes1: 7:17am On Jan 20, 2019
Heathen777:


As the universe expanded it cooled sufficiently to allow for the formation of things with more complexity....


The universe and other complex matters were designed by our Designer.
The Designer "molded" the universe to its current form just as humans "mould" plastic, metals, gold, by heating them up... The molding of our universe probably explains the cosmic radiation relics. This radiation can also be created when we melt metals, golds. We can't detect the radiation because we don't live in space or vacuum. If you melt this things in vacuum the radiation will also linger for a long time.
Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by Heathen777(m): 12:38pm On Jan 20, 2019
OpenYourEyes1:

The universe and other complex matters were designed by our Designer.
The Designer "molded" the universe to its current form just as humans "mould" plastic, metals, gold, by heating them up... The molding of our universe probably explains the cosmic radiation relics. This radiation can also be created when we melt metals, golds. We can't detect the radiation because we don't live in space or vacuum. If you melt this things in vacuum the radiation will also linger for a long time.


That's not how science work. You don't look at evidence and try to merge it with your beliefs. You look at evidence objectively.

We know the universe has a fiery origin because we can detect the CMB radiation, that's all. Coming in and saying

>>> " Well God is the reason for the CMB radiation" is called making baseless claim (since it's not provable)

But when we look at the expansion of the universe and consider that it used to be smaller and denser if we go back in time, then it give's us a good clue as to the origin of the CMB radiation. Thus saying:

>>> " A smaller and denser universe is the reason for the CMB radiation", would not be a baseless assumption (it's based on actual science), because we know that when (particles/energy) are densely packed together they give out heat (radiation).
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As to how order arose, it's due to the interactions of the four forces of nature in the cooling universe.

In a nut shell here's the stages of our stellar evolutions:

After the big-bang: photons >> subatomic particles >> atoms >> gases >> stars >> nebulae >> planets,comets, asteroids, smaller stars >> solar systems >> life forms (under the right conditions)

These are the harmonic stages of our cosmic evolution, it wasn't designed, but a series of random events guided by the laws of nature.
Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by OpenYourEyes1: 2:14pm On Jan 20, 2019
Heathen777:


In a nut shell here's the stages of our stellar evolutions:

After the big-bang: photons >> subatomic particles >> atoms >> gases >> stars >> nebulae >> planets,comets, asteroids, smaller stars >> solar systems >> life forms (under the right conditions)

These are the harmonic stages of our cosmic evolution, it wasn't designed, but a series of random events guided by the laws of nature.


Well, no scientist has been able to replicate these things in laboratories or stimulate them on supercomputer. Scientists claimed they could but still no life has emerged from their experiments. You should be able to replicate a theory otherwise it remains a theory.

Anyone who understand how complex a single cell is won't accept that living things developed spontaneously. .

It is ironic how you guys attribute creations to a thing called Nature and at thesame claim things developed by chance. If Nature could write laws then it means natura is Sentient. Just stick with your random chance theory. We will stick with Intelligent design. Our God write the rules not nature.
Re: Athiests, Prove To Me That BIG BANG Happened. Is this Eyewitnesses photo real? by Hermes019: 3:12pm On Jan 20, 2019
OpenYourEyes1:


Well, no scientist has been able to replicate these things in laboratories or stimulate them on supercomputer. Scientists claimed they could but still no life has emerged from their experiments. You should be able to replicate a theory otherwise it remains a theory.

Anyone who understand how complex a single cell is won't accept that living things developed spontaneously. .

It is ironic how you guys attribute creations to a thing called Nature and at thesame claim things developed by chance. If Nature could write laws then it means natura is Sentient. Just stick with your random chance theory. We will stick with Intelligent design. Our God write the rules not nature.
OK let's agree that something(God in ur own words)was responsible for the formation of the universe,is that enough to tell us the nature and features that it has
Its just like seeing a person,u know(from experience) the person definitely has a mother but is that enough to tell u who the mother is,maybe her name,age,height and so on ?

I assume u are a Christian (forgive me if I'm wrong) u should be concerned about proving that Yahweh not God formed the universe

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