Is it me or has anyone noticed over the last few years how some American Hip Hop songs sound kind of like ur Nigerian music. Not all of their songs but an increasing amount. Il be thinking the artist is Nigerian or something, only to find out that the artist is Black American. This is a classic example of oyinbo stealing from Africans.

Now I admit, we imitate American culture and stuff to, but the difference is that everyone knows that its American culture and influence we're imitating.
But these Americans are appropriating our culture and music and not giving us an iota of credit. Years from now Black Americans and Nigerians are going to be arguing on who started this AfroBeats influence.

I actually like that AfroBeats is influencing Hip Hop and American music. Im happy about that. What Im not happy about is that we Nigerians are not getting any credit for it. They are stealing and appropriating our music

Now I like Black Americans and Americans in general and I dont have any issue with them, I just have this issue with them not giving us the credit for our music. Im not attacking Black Americans or anything. Its really the people that are in power in high places that are behind this. Its not really Black Americans fault.

A lot of Americans have no idea that some of these Hip Hop songs lately have a lot of AfroBeat influence in them.
The major news outlets dont talk about this influence at all

Can you give an example of American songs with afro beats?

Examples?

Favor99:
Is it me or has anyone noticed over the last few years how some American Hip Hop songs sound kind of like ur Nigerian music. Not all of their songs but an increasing amount. Il be thinking the artist is Nigerian or something, only to find out that the artist is Black American. This is a classic example of oyinbo stealing from Africans.

Now I admit, we appropriate American culture and stuff to, but the difference is that everyone knows that its American culture and influence we're imitating.
But these Americans are appropriating our culture and music and not giving us an iota of credit. Years from now Black Americans and Nigerians are going to be arguing on who started this AfroBeats influence.

I actually like that AfroBeats is influencing Hip Hop and American music. Im happy about that. What Im not happy about is that we Nigerians are not getting any credit for it. They are stealing and appropriating our music

Now I like Black Americans and Americans in general and I dont have any issue with them, I just have this issue with them not giving us the credit for our music. Im not attacking Black Americans or anything. Its really the people that are in power in high places that are behind this. Its not really Black Americans fault.

A lot of Americans have no idea that some of these Hip Hop songs lately have a lot of AfroBeat influence in them.
The major news outlets dont talk about this influence at all

If you see a stolen music or song, the real one stolen, ask me, I will help you to sue the American who stills.

Angela777:

If you see a stolen music or song, the real one stolen, ask me, I will help you to sue the American who stills.

Hey thank you. Whats happening is that the American artists are using Nigerian influences and beats on their songs and not giving the proper credit to the Nigerians. A few American artists have stolen songs ideas from Nigerians like Tiwa Savage.

What I was referring to though was a more general aspect of the Nigerian music being appropriated and not given the credit.
In years to come, this is going to evolve to a new kind of music and all the credit will go to the American artists, whereas it was was actually Nigerian music

Fatherofdragons:
Can you give an example of American songs with afro beats?

snrman:
Examples?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs4HHrgCn0I

The Childish Gambino one is definitely sounds like ours

Heres another one.
Especially this Ne-yo song
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5WC-9TbjjQ

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8eYSO0TCXg

Another one. Appropriation

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66qP8e-7SJo

Also some of Chris Brown's songs to

Mynd44 please push this to front page
Do what needs to be done. We need to discuss this

Favor99:

Hey thank you. Whats happening is that the American artists are using Nigerian influences and beats on their songs and not giving the proper credit to the Nigerians. A few American artists have stolen songs ideas from Nigerians like Tiwa Savage.

What I was referring to though was a more general aspect of the Nigerian music being appropriated and not given the credit.
In years to come, this is going to evolve to a new kind of music and all the credit will go to the American artists, whereas it was was actually Nigerian music

Influence and beat are free to use, you can tell it was stolen.

Ideas, if they are not registered or patented can be stolen but if you have an evidence it was invented for you, we can sue the people who stills.

General Nigerian music, not specific songs or melodies, only can be protected if your government makes a law specifying what kind of music is Nigerian and it belongs to Nigeria. Influence, you can't protect influence

Angela777:

Influence and beat are free to use, you can tell it was stolen.

Ideas, if they are not registered or patented can be stolen but if you have an evidence it was invented for you, we can sue the people who stills.

General Nigerian music, not specific songs or melodies, only can be protected if your government makes a law specifying what kind of music is Nigerian and it belongs to Nigeria. Influence, you can't protect influence

Ok yea true. I don’t mind American artists being influenced and using some of the Nigerian styles and afrobeats in their music. The problem is is that Years from now when it takes off their going to start lying that they originated it. It’s pretty much plagiarism.
Nigeria, we need to get our country on track and working again so we can avoid stuff like this happening
When everyone was using Latino influences in American music 20 years ago, everyone was giving the Latinos credit. But with Africa, it’s just steal and no credit

Drake collaborated openly with I think Wiz Kid. I remember when another female artist pointed it out, the owner told her to shut up.

When children of Marvin Gay sued about their father's music being stolen, the musical instrument behind it is African.

Music patent is hard to prove. Even Afobeat, as you know is a mixture of Jazz and highlife. Orlando claimed he started it before Fela. He got to London after Fela, Bayo Martins, Wole Bucknor etc. They were all experimenting with it.

As someone pointed out, Nigeria has no strong patent law. The advantage of that should have propelled us into 21 century by copying European and American technology instead of importing everything we see.

googi:
Drake collaborated openly with I think Wiz Kid. I remember when another female artist pointed it out, the owner told her to shut up.

When children of Marvin Gay sued about their father's music being stolen, the musical instrument behind it is African.

Music patent is hard to prove. Even Afobeat, as you know is a mixture of Jazz and highlife. Orlando claimed he started it before Fela. He got to London after Fela, Bayo Martins, Wole Bucknor etc. They were all experimenting with it.

As someone pointed out, Nigeria has no strong patent law. The advantage of that should have propelled us into 21 century by copying European and American technology instead of importing everything we see.

I do agree. Yea we need some patent laws for it. Im not quite sure why our government is this apathetic about everything.
I didn't know another person claimed to have started acrobats before Fela did

Patents are for inventions.
Design patents are for ...... designs
Trade marks are for logos and names and phrases
Copyright is for songs

A copyright for a song, book, picture etc does not require registration, the copyright arises as soon as u fix the idea in a permanent/tangible medium. What is protected with copyright is your expression of the idea and not the idea itself. So genres of music do not have copyright. The song in the genre has copyright.

There are multiple copyrights in a song, the words alone have a literary copyright, the rythym/beat/ co.position is the musical work and has a copyright and the sound recording has another.
Each of the copyrights mentioned above could belong to diff pple depending on the circumstance.

Copying of any of these wld be infringment. But afrobeat as a genre of music for instance has no copyright if it did then only Fela or his estate would have the right to do afrobeat. A Nigerian can sing country music without a problem too but if he copies and existing song then a problem can arise.

So for the foreign artists using. Nigerian genres, there is nothing that can be done legally except you can show specific sings they copied.

Patented:
Patents are for inventions.
Design patents are for ...... designs
Trade marks are for logos and names and phrases
Copyright is for songs

A copyright for a song, book, picture etc does not require registration, the copyright arises as soon as u fix the idea in a permanent/tangible medium. What is protected with copyright is your expression of the idea and not the idea itself. So genres of music do not have copyright. The song in the genre has copyright.

There are multiple copyrights in a song, the words alone have a literary copyright, the rythym/beat/ co.position is the musical work and has a copyright and the sound recording has another.
Each of the copyrights mentioned above could belong to diff pple depending on the circumstance.

Copying of any of these wld be infringment. But afrobeat as a genre of music for instance has no copyright if it did then only Fela or his estate would have the right to do afrobeat. A Nigerian can sing country music without a problem too but if he copies and existing song then a problem can arise.

So for the foreign artists using. Nigerian genres, there is nothing that can be done legally except you can show specific sings they copied.

That’s true you can’t patent a genre. Although they should consider extending patent laws to avoid issues. Or at least they should state where the influences came from

Music made with fruity loops and other software is now Nigerian music.. There is nothing authentic about afrobeat, just a mixture of American beats with African melodies..

If Americans decide to sue Naija artist that have jacked there music since the 60s, there will be no artist left. The almighty Fela will not be left out..

Baroba:
Music made with fruity loops and other software is now Nigerian music.. There is nothing authentic about afrobeat, just a mixture of American beats with African melodies..

If Americans decide to sue Naija artist that have jacked there music since the 60s, there will be no artist left. The almighty Fela will not be left out..

Dont mind them.
They are just talking crap.
Imagine using American technologies to make music or even disseminate information, and still have the guts to talk about appropriation.
Smh

Baroba:
Music made with fruity loops and other software is now Nigerian music.. There is nothing authentic about afrobeat, just a mixture of American beats with African melodies..

If Americans decide to sue Naija artist that have jacked there music since the 60s, there will be no artist left. The almighty Fela will not be left out..

Lol! It is true

InyinyaAgbaOku:


Dont mind them.
They are just talking crap.
Imagine using American technologies to make music or even disseminate information, and still have the guts to talk about appropriation.
Smh

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So basically American music started by using African instruments.

1. It's offensive for a nonblack to do it. A black person "appropriating" should just be seen as cultural exchange. As long as they're not disrespectful, it really shouldn't be a big deal.

2. African music can only be fully appreciated by real black people. Even the loser whites listening to "world" music are just tourists looking to see their racist fantasies come to life. And black Americans don't really like African music because they're so whitewashed. Only real black people have the capacity to understand and appreciate African art.

3. African music is too complex for oyinbos and pseudo black people to copy.

4. There's a difference between stealing something, and being influenced by it. Black people are influenced by other black art and it finds its way into stuff. That's not theft.

5. Black people don't have to steal anything. We actually have talent and real culture. We bring all our influences together and make something new. It's nonblacks that are constantly moving around like parasites looking to latch on, bāstārdize, and ruin culture.

Cousin9999:
1. It's offensive for a nonblack to do it. A black person "appropriating" should just be seen as cultural exchange. As long as they're not disrespectful, it really shouldn't be a big deal.

2. African music can only be fully appreciated by real black people. Even the loser whites listening to "world" music are just tourists looking to see their racist fantasies come to life. And black Americans don't really like African music because they're so whitewashed. Only real black people have the capacity to understand and appreciate African art.

3. African music is too complex for oyinbos and pseudo black people to copy.

4. There's a difference between stealing something, and being influenced by it. Black people are influenced by other black art and it finds its way into stuff. That's not theft.

5. Black people don't have to steal anything. We actually have talent and real culture. We bring all our influences together and make something new. It's nonblacks that are constantly moving around like parasites looking to latch on, bāstārdize, and ruin culture.

Yea true Afrobeats have taken off and is popular now. No more appropriation of Afrobeats. But we’re appropriated in a lot other things though.

If your influenced by something, you should give credit. If you start taking something as yours and don’t give credit it’s plagiarizing.

Cousin9999:
1. It's offensive for a nonblack to do it. A black person "appropriating" should just be seen as cultural exchange. As long as they're not disrespectful, it really shouldn't be a big deal.

2. African music can only be fully appreciated by real black people. Even the loser whites listening to "world" music are just tourists looking to see their racist fantasies come to life. And black Americans don't really like African music because they're so whitewashed. Only real black people have the capacity to understand and appreciate African art.

3. African music is too complex for oyinbos and pseudo black people to copy.

4. There's a difference between stealing something, and being influenced by it. Black people are influenced by other black art and it finds its way into stuff. That's not theft.

5. Black people don't have to steal anything. We actually have talent and real culture. We bring all our influences together and make something new. It's nonblacks that are constantly moving around like parasites looking to latch on, bāstārdize, and ruin culture.

1. Black Americans aren't appropriating music from Nigeria, you guys are the ones who appropriated your music from BA during the 1960's and called it Afrobeats. I've heard Nigerians singing Rhythm and Blues and hip hop, who did you appropriate that from?

2. How are BA musically whitewashed when all of the music genre's in the US were created by BA. Everyone stole from us?

3. BA don't copy other people music, we create and others copy ours. Fact!!

4. Yes there's a difference between stealing and being influenced and your Fela was definitely influenced by BA music.

5. I agree.

Favor99:

Yea true Afrobeats have taken off and is popular now. No more appropriation of Afrobeats. But we’re appropriated in a lot other things though.

If your influenced by something, you should give credit. If you start taking something as yours and don’t give credit it’s plagiarizing.

Afrobeats was influenced by BA music in the 1960's by your Nigerian artists. You can't take credit for something you were influenced by and added melodies to it from American technology and say you are the creator of it.

Would you call this plagiarism?

There is no such thing as original commercial music. Let me give you examples: Hip Hop/Rap was based on traditional Jamaican sounds. When Americans talk about hip hop/rap music they forget that it was birthed mainly by Jamaicans who migrated to the US. Fela's Afrobeat is mainly Yoruba (Nigerian) music but it has some highlife and Jazz ( black American version of European music) inputs. Soul, Rock n Roll, blues, country music all based (in part) on the painful music of the enslaved. The enslaved were Africans who carried the sound of African with them to America. Today, their descendants are known as black Americans. BAs are so removed from their ancestors that they only thing African about them is their DNA. Nevertheless, BAs musical contribution is in a indirect way Africa's musical tradition. In other words, If BAs ancestors were not Africans then their music will sound very much just like souless, dull European American music.

Current Afrobeats is mainly Fela sound mixed with sounds from all over the world.