As simple as this question is, do you know that no pastor in Nigeria can provide the answer to this question and relate the answer to reality?

I will tell you why the answer to this simple question is very important and can liberate nigerian christians from the grip of religion and it atrocities and change the fortune of this nation to a better people who will begin to the mindset of industrialization and development, rather than depending on prayers and pastors and church going which has drawn the nation backward in terms of education, industrialization and development.

Recently,there was a report that Falz had his mum getting worried that he has not been going to church and Daddy freeze reacted ensuring his mum that all is well with his son.

He cited that Falz does not need church because, in summary, pastors are scammers.

To me, it seems these pastors are deliberately hiding the answer to this simple question from the church, so that church members will continue to remain loyal to them, then they can do whatever they like.
Dont get me wrong, i am not saying you should not be loyal to your pastor but it will be profitable for you to be loyal to him because he has been educating you, not that you are loyal to him because you want to apeal to your emotions.

But so far, the church in nigeria has not been educated about Gods kingdom. It is the greatest tragedy that will befall any church or nation.

Little wonder christ in his parables will lay emphases first on Gods kingdom saying THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS LIKE UNTO....

And also, SEEK YE FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND IT RIGHTEOUSNESS...

but nigerian christians dont know what to seek, they are seeking pastors first.

Why ?
Because they dont really know what this kingdom is.

As the saying goes, when the purpose of a thing is not known abuse is inevitable.

What is God's kingdom?

alBHAGDADI, jiggaz, MrPRevailer ,annyplenty, jesusjnr,

The kingdom God is in you.... Jesus said this.

Paul also said, the kingdom of God is righteousness, peace and joy in the HOLY GHOST.

I therefore conclude that the kingdom of God is the kingdom of the true church... Where Jesus is the ruler.

The kingdom of God is everlasting... The church of God is everlasting...

The kingdom of God is THE TRUE CHURCH.

Not deeper life, or Rccg. Rccg is not the church.

The church is the individual that have the Holy Spirit in rccg,

It is the Holy Spirit in man.... Doing the will of God...

When Christ shall come, he will take the church to be with himself forever.. and he will rule this kingdom.... That is the kingdom of heaven....

Therefore, the kingdom of God which is the church, is not fully established on earth yet..

It will come into full establishment when Jesus appears and take his church home to rule them forever. ..

Jesus told the disciples to preach to people and tell them.. "the kingdom of God is come to you "

God bless the church.

All Christians are hoping(The Hope), that is, aspiring to make either of the two coming Jerusalems(The Kingdoms of God). Only your Righteousness will qualify you.
Now we all are in the Kingdom of Earth where you can practise all forms of Industries, Agricultures, Cattle Rearing(herding and shepherding), Abachiring, Service Businesses and Looting. Some call it Capitalism, Communism, Wealfarism, Democracy, Autocracy, Feudalism etc.
There are two references in the Bible to live a life:-
1, Genesis 12: 16 and
2, Luke 12 : 58
The third reference is generally to live like Christ to qualify for The Kingdom of Heaven and of God.

Funnily enough, the instruction of Christ to his disciples was to go ye into the world to preach about the upcoming Kingdom of God. What do we have now?

We have over-righteous and judgemental Christians going into people's house to tell people to be born again because their current life is not according to Christ or even inviting them to their church.

Is that the instruction of Christ?

Originakalokalo:

The kingdom God is in you.... Jesus said this.

Paul also said, the kingdom of God is righteousness, peace and joy in the HOLY GHOST.

I therefore conclude that the kingdom of God is the kingdom of the true church... Where Jesus is the ruler.

The kingdom of God is everlasting... The church of God is everlasting...

The kingdom of God is THE TRUE CHURCH.

Not deeper life, or Rccg. Rccg is not the church.

The church is the individual that have the Holy Spirit in rccg,

It is the Holy Spirit in man.... Doing the will of God...

When Christ shall come, he will take the church to be with himself forever.. and he will rule this kingdom.... That is the kingdom of heaven....

Therefore, the kingdom of God which is the church, is not fully established on earth yet..

It will come into full establishment when Jesus appears and take his church home to rule them forever. ..

Jesus told the disciples to preach to people and tell them.. "the kingdom of God is come to you "

God bless the church.

@paxonel

This guy has done justice to the subject. I don't need to waste my time pandering to your hate for everything called pastor.

To even think you said pastors are hiding this obvious truth from their church members is what makes me laugh.

If fake pastors aren't preaching this to their congregation, did they also burn all bibles to prevent the people from seeing God's words about his kingdom?

Blame the gullible people who have failed to study their Bible to show themselves approved, not the scammer pastor who is just doing is yahoo business. His own punishment will come soon when he expects not.

luvmijeje:
Funnily enough, the instruction of Christ to his disciples was to go ye into the world to preach about the upcoming Kingdom of God. What do we have now?

We have over-righteous and judgemental Christians going into people's house to tell people to be born again because their current life is not according to Christ or even inviting them to their church.

Is that the instruction of Christ?

You disciples of Daddy Freeze are the most foolish and gullible beings. No wonder he deceived you all easily. You are all more gullible than the sleepless in fake churches. At least those ones are seeking the truth but came across liars and were deceived. You Free The Sheeple Movement members are foolish because you think you know the truth but you fell easily for the lie.

Here you are claiming Christians go about telling people to be born again, instead of them to go preach about the kingdom of God like Jesus commanded. For your information, what they are doing is actually what Jesus sent them, because you cannot see the kingdom of God unless you are born again. Below is Jesus talking.

John 3:3 KJV
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

alBHAGDADI:


You disciples of Daddy Freeze are the most foolish and gullible beings. No wonder he deceived you all easily. You are all more gullible than the sleepless in fake churches. At least those ones are seeking the truth but came across liars and were deceived. You Free The Sheeple Movement members are foolish because you think you know the truth but you fell easily for the lie.

Here you are claiming Christians go about telling people to be born again, instead of them to go preach about the kingdom of God like Jesus commanded. For your information, what they are doing is actually what Jesus sent them, because you cannot see the kingdom of God unless you are born again. Below is Jesus talking.

John 3:3 KJV
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Bullshit. I set a trap and I know a fool like you will fall into it. Mattew 25 : 34 - 39

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’


And I don't have to be a righteous fool like you all to do the above.

SHALOM!

paxonel:
As simple as this question is, do you know that no pastor in Nigeria can provide the answer to this question and relate the answer to reality?

. ECCLESIASTES 8:2-5.

2. I counsel thee to keep the king's commandment,
and that in regard of the Oath of God.
3. Be not hasty to go out of his sight:
stand not in an evil thing;
for he doeth whatsoever pleaseth him.
4. Where the word of a King is,
there is Power:
and who may say unto him,

"WHAT DOEST THOU?"

5. Whoso keepeth the commandment
shall feel no evil thing:
and a wise man's heart discerneth
both time and judgment.

. MATTHEW 12:22-37.

22. Then was brought unto him
one possessed with a Devil,
blind, and dumb:
and he healed him,
insomuch that the blind and dumb
both spake and saw.
23. And all the people were amazed,
and said,

"Is not this the Son of David?"

24. But when the Pharisees heard it,
they said,

"THIS FELLOW DOTH NOT
CAST OUT DEVILS,
BUT BY BEELZEBUB
THE PRINCE OF THE DEVILS."

25. And Jesus knew their thoughts,
and Said unto them,

"Every kingdom divided against itself
is brought to desolation;
and every city or house divided against itself
shall not stand:
26. "And if Satan cast out Satan,
he is divided against himself;
how shall then his Kingdom stand?"
27. "And if I by Beelzebub cast out Devils,
by whom do your children cast them out?
therefore they shall be your judges.
28. "But if I cast out Devils by the Spirit of God,
then The Kingdom of God is come unto you.
29. "Or else how can one enter into
a Strong Man's House, and spoil his Goods,
except he first bind the Strong Man?
and then he will spoil his House.
30. "He that is not with me is against me;
and he that gathereth not with me
scattereth abroad.
31. "Wherefore I Say unto you,

'ALL MANNER OF SIN AND BLASPHEMY
SHALL BE FORGIVEN UNTO MEN:
BUT THE BLASPHEMY
AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
SHALL NOT BE FORGIVEN
UNTO MEN.’

32. "And whosoever speaketh a word
against the Son of Man,
it shall be forgiven him:
but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this World,
neither in the World to come.
33. "Either make the tree good,
and his fruit good;
or else make the tree corrupt,
and his fruit corrupt:
for the tree is known by his fruit.
34. "O generation of Vipers,
how can ye, being evil, speak good things?
for out of the abundance of the heart
the mouth speaketh.
35. "A good man out of
the good treasure of the heart
bringeth forth good things:
and an evil man out of the evil treasure
bringeth forth evil things.
36. "But I Say unto you,

'THAT EVERY IDLE WORD
THAT MEN SHALL SPEAK,
THEY SHALL GIVE ACCOUNT THEREOF
IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT.'

37. "For by thy words thou shalt be justified,
and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."

. MARK 1:14-15.

14. Now after that John
was put in prison,
Jesus came into Galilee,
preaching The Gospel
of The Kingdom of God,
15. And saying,

"The time is fulfilled,
and The Kingdom of God is at hand:
repent ye,
and believe The Gospel."

THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS WHEREVER GOD’S AUTHORITY IS UNDISPUTED.

It is an insult to the intelligence of Nigerian Pastors to claim that none of them could possibly know this simple Fact.

paxonel:
I will tell you why the answer to this simple question is very important and can liberate nigerian christians from the grip of religion and it atrocities and change the fortune of this nation to a better people who will begin to the mindset of industrialization and development, rather than depending on prayers and pastors and church going which has drawn the nation backward in terms of education, industrialization and development.

I DOUBT THAT ANYONE SO ARROGANT AS TO PRETEND TO KNOW WHAT EVERY PASTOR IN NIGERIA CAN POSSIBLY KNOW ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS.

paxonel:
Recently,there was a report that Falz had his mum getting worried that he has not been going to church and Daddy freeze reacted ensuring his mum that all is well with his son.

He cited that Falz does not need church because, in summary, pastors are scammers.

THAT IS AN UNFORTUNATE AND INCONVENIENT TRUTH- BUT IT TELLS US NOTHING ABOUT WHAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS.

Perhaps he will get to the point… sometime….?

. MATTHEW 23:1-15.

THEN spake Jesus to the multitude,
and to his Disciples,

2. Saying,

"The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3. "All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe,
that observe and do; but do not ye after their works:
for they say, and do not.
4. "For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne,
and lay them on men's shoulders;
but they themselves will not move them
with one of their fingers.
5. "But all their works they do for to be seen of men:
they make broad their phylacteries,
and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6. "And love the Uppermost Rooms at feasts,
and the Chief Seats in the Synagogues,
7. "And greetings in the markets,
and to be called of men, 'Rabbi, Rabbi.'
8. "But be not ye called 'Rabbi:'
for one is your Master, even Christ;
and all ye are Brethren.
9. "And call no man your father upon the Earth:
for one is your Father, Which is in Heaven.
10. "Neither be ye called masters:
for one is your Master, even Christ.
11. "But he that is greatest among you
shall be your servant.
12. "And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased;
and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
13. "But woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
for ye shut up The Kingdom of Heaven against men:
for ye neither go in yourselves,
neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14. "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
for ye devour widows' houses,
and for a pretence make long prayer:
therefore ye shall receive The Greater Damnation.
15. "Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
for ye compass Sea and Land
to make one proselyte,
and when he is made, ye make him
twofold more the Child of Hell than yourselves."

ALL PASTORS ARE SCAMMERS, BECAUSE THEY SET THEMSELVES UP AS RABBIS AND MASTERS OVER THE CHURCH.

Which Lord Yeshua explicitly forbade.

. LUKE 16:1-15.

AND he said also
unto his Disciples,

"There was a certain rich man,
which had a steward;
and the same
was accused unto him
that he had wasted
his goods.
2. "And he called him,
and said unto him,

'HOW IS IT
THAT I HEAR THIS
OF THEE?
GIVE AN ACCOUNT
OF THY STEWARDSHIP;
FOR THOU MAYEST BE
NO LONGER STEWARD.'

3. "Then the steward said
within himself,

'WHAT SHALL I DO?
FOR MY LORD
TAKETH AWAY FROM ME
THE STEWARDSHIP:
I CANNOT DIG;
TO BEG
I AM ASHAMED.
4. 'I AM RESOLVED
WHAT TO DO,
THAT, WHEN I AM
PUT OUT OF
THE STEWARDSHIP,
THEY MAY RECEIVE ME
INTO THEIR HOUSES.'

5. "So he called every one
of his lord's debtors
unto him,
and said unto the first,

'HOW MUCH OWEST THOU
UNTO MY LORD?'

6. "And he said,

'AN HUNDRED MEASURES
OF OIL.'

And he said unto him,

'TAKE THY BILL,
AND SIT DOWN QUICKLY,
AND WRITE FIFTY.'

7. "Then said he to another,

'AND HOW MUCH OWEST THOU?'

And he said,

'AN HUNDRED MEASURES
OF WHEAT.'

And he said unto him,

'TAKE THY BILL,
AND WRITE FOURSCORE.'

8. "And the lord commended
the Unjust Steward,
because he had done wisely:
for the Children of this World
are in their Generation
wiser than
the Children of Light.
9. "And I say unto you,

'MAKE TO YOURSELVES
FRIENDS OF THE MAMMON
OF UNRIGHTEOUSNESS;
THAT, WHEN YE FAIL,
THEY MAY RECEIVE YOU INTO
EVERLASTING HABITATIONS.'

10. "He that is faithful
in that which is least
is faithful also in much:
and he that is unjust
in the least
is unjust also in much.
11. "If therefore ye
have not been faithful
in the Unrighteous Mammon,
who will commit to your trust
The True Riches?
12. "And if ye have not
been faithful in that
which is another man's,
who shall give you
that which is your own?
13. "No servant can serve
two masters:
for either he will
hate the one,
and love the other;
or else he will
hold to the one,
and despise the other.
Ye cannot serve God
and mammon."

14. And the Pharisees also,
who were covetous,
heard all these things:
and they derided him.

15. And he Said unto them,

"Ye are they
which justify yourselves
before men;
but God knoweth your hearts:
for that which is
highly esteemed
among men is Abomination
in The Sight of God."

paxonel:
To me, it seems these pastors are deliberately hiding the answer to this simple question from the church, so that church members will continue to remain loyal to them, then they can do whatever they like.
Dont get me wrong, i am not saying you should not be loyal to your pastor but it will be profitable for you to be loyal to him because he has been educating you, not that you are loyal to him because you want to apeal to your emotions.

But so far, the church in nigeria has not been educated about Gods kingdom. It is the greatest tragedy that will befall any church or nation.

Little wonder christ in his parables will lay emphases first on Gods kingdom saying THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS LIKE UNTO....

And also, SEEK YE FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND IT RIGHTEOUSNESS...

but nigerian christians dont know what to seek, they are seeking pastors first.

Why ?
Because they dont really know what this kingdom is.

As the saying goes, when the purpose of a thing is not known abuse is inevitable.

What is God's kingdom?

alBHAGDADI, jiggaz, MrPRevailer ,annyplenty, jesusjnr,

Originakalokalo:

The kingdom God is in you.... Jesus said this

I therefore conclude that the kingdom of God is the kingdom of the true church... Where Jesus is the ruler

you are absolutely correct here, but how does this apply to reality?

When Christ shall come

but the scripture confirms that christ has already come, and that kingdom is already in you like you said here? Why are you contradicting yourself?

You just said the kingdom of God is in you, now you are saying it will come when christ come.

Therefore, the kingdom of God which is the church, is not fully established on earth yet..

my guy, there are churches all over the world or this earth fully estabished everywhere what are you talking??

You see how you people contradict yourselves?

Ok, show me a scripture that says the kingdom of God is not fully established on this earth today

oaroloye:
SHALOM!



. ECCLESIASTES 8:2-5.

2. I counsel thee to keep the king's commandment,
and that in regard of the Oath of God.
3. Be not hasty to go out of his sight:
stand not in an evil thing;
for he doeth whatsoever pleaseth him.
4. Where the word of a King is,
there is Power:
and who may say unto him,

"WHAT DOEST THOU?"

5. Whoso keepeth the commandment
shall feel no evil thing:
and a wise man's heart discerneth
both time and judgment.

. MATTHEW 12:22-37.

22. Then was brought unto him
one possessed with a Devil,
blind, and dumb:
and he healed him,
insomuch that the blind and dumb
both spake and saw.
23. And all the people were amazed,
and said,

"Is not this the Son of David?"

24. But when the Pharisees heard it,
they said,

"THIS FELLOW DOTH NOT
CAST OUT DEVILS,
BUT BY BEELZEBUB
THE PRINCE OF THE DEVILS."

25. And Jesus knew their thoughts,
and Said unto them,

"Every kingdom divided against itself
is brought to desolation;
and every city or house divided against itself
shall not stand:
26. "And if Satan cast out Satan,
he is divided against himself;
how shall then his Kingdom stand?"
27. "And if I by Beelzebub cast out Devils,
by whom do your children cast them out?
therefore they shall be your judges.
28. "But if I cast out Devils by the Spirit of God,
then The Kingdom of God is come unto you.
29. "Or else how can one enter into
a Strong Man's House, and spoil his Goods,
except he first bind the Strong Man?
and then he will spoil his House.
30. "He that is not with me is against me;
and he that gathereth not with me
scattereth abroad.
31. "Wherefore I Say unto you,

'ALL MANNER OF SIN AND BLASPHEMY
SHALL BE FORGIVEN UNTO MEN:
BUT THE BLASPHEMY
AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
SHALL NOT BE FORGIVEN
UNTO MEN.’

32. "And whosoever speaketh a word
against the Son of Man,
it shall be forgiven him:
but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this World,
neither in the World to come.
33. "Either make the tree good,
and his fruit good;
or else make the tree corrupt,
and his fruit corrupt:
for the tree is known by his fruit.
34. "O generation of Vipers,
how can ye, being evil, speak good things?
for out of the abundance of the heart
the mouth speaketh.
35. "A good man out of
the good treasure of the heart
bringeth forth good things:
and an evil man out of the evil treasure
bringeth forth evil things.
36. "But I Say unto you,

'THAT EVERY IDLE WORD
THAT MEN SHALL SPEAK,
THEY SHALL GIVE ACCOUNT THEREOF
IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT.'

37. "For by thy words thou shalt be justified,
and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."

. MARK 1:14-15.

14. Now after that John
was put in prison,
Jesus came into Galilee,
preaching The Gospel
of The Kingdom of God,
15. And saying,

"The time is fulfilled,
and The Kingdom of God is at hand:
repent ye,
and believe The Gospel."

THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS WHEREVER GOD’S AUTHORITY IS UNDISPUTED.

It is an insult to the intelligence of Nigerian Pastors to claim that none of them could possibly know this simple Fact.


I DOUBT THAT ANYONE SO ARROGANT AS TO PRETEND TO KNOW WHAT EVERY PASTOR IN NIGERIA CAN POSSIBLY KNOW ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS.



THAT IS AN UNFORTUNATE AND INCONVENIENT TRUTH- BUT IT TELLS US NOTHING ABOUT WHAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS.

Perhaps he will get to the point… sometime….?

. MATTHEW 23:1-15.

THEN spake Jesus to the multitude,
and to his Disciples,

2. Saying,

"The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3. "All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe,
that observe and do; but do not ye after their works:
for they say, and do not.
4. "For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne,
and lay them on men's shoulders;
but they themselves will not move them
with one of their fingers.
5. "But all their works they do for to be seen of men:
they make broad their phylacteries,
and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6. "And love the Uppermost Rooms at feasts,
and the Chief Seats in the Synagogues,
7. "And greetings in the markets,
and to be called of men, 'Rabbi, Rabbi.'
8. "But be not ye called 'Rabbi:'
for one is your Master, even Christ;
and all ye are Brethren.
9. "And call no man your father upon the Earth:
for one is your Father, Which is in Heaven.
10. "Neither be ye called masters:
for one is your Master, even Christ.
11. "But he that is greatest among you
shall be your servant.
12. "And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased;
and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
13. "But woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
for ye shut up The Kingdom of Heaven against men:
for ye neither go in yourselves,
neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14. "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
for ye devour widows' houses,
and for a pretence make long prayer:
therefore ye shall receive The Greater Damnation.
15. "Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
for ye compass Sea and Land
to make one proselyte,
and when he is made, ye make him
twofold more the Child of Hell than yourselves."

ALL PASTORS ARE SCAMMERS, BECAUSE THEY SET THEMSELVES UP AS RABBIS AND MASTERS OVER THE CHURCH.

Which Lord Yeshua explicitly forbade.

. LUKE 16:1-15.

AND he said also
unto his Disciples,

"There was a certain rich man,
which had a steward;
and the same
was accused unto him
that he had wasted
his goods.
2. "And he called him,
and said unto him,

'HOW IS IT
THAT I HEAR THIS
OF THEE?
GIVE AN ACCOUNT
OF THY STEWARDSHIP;
FOR THOU MAYEST BE
NO LONGER STEWARD.'

3. "Then the steward said
within himself,

'WHAT SHALL I DO?
FOR MY LORD
TAKETH AWAY FROM ME
THE STEWARDSHIP:
I CANNOT DIG;
TO BEG
I AM ASHAMED.
4. 'I AM RESOLVED
WHAT TO DO,
THAT, WHEN I AM
PUT OUT OF
THE STEWARDSHIP,
THEY MAY RECEIVE ME
INTO THEIR HOUSES.'

5. "So he called every one
of his lord's debtors
unto him,
and said unto the first,

'HOW MUCH OWEST THOU
UNTO MY LORD?'

6. "And he said,

'AN HUNDRED MEASURES
OF OIL.'

And he said unto him,

'TAKE THY BILL,
AND SIT DOWN QUICKLY,
AND WRITE FIFTY.'

7. "Then said he to another,

'AND HOW MUCH OWEST THOU?'

And he said,

'AN HUNDRED MEASURES
OF WHEAT.'

And he said unto him,

'TAKE THY BILL,
AND WRITE FOURSCORE.'

8. "And the lord commended
the Unjust Steward,
because he had done wisely:
for the Children of this World
are in their Generation
wiser than
the Children of Light.
9. "And I say unto you,

'MAKE TO YOURSELVES
FRIENDS OF THE MAMMON
OF UNRIGHTEOUSNESS;
THAT, WHEN YE FAIL,
THEY MAY RECEIVE YOU INTO
EVERLASTING HABITATIONS.'

10. "He that is faithful
in that which is least
is faithful also in much:
and he that is unjust
in the least
is unjust also in much.
11. "If therefore ye
have not been faithful
in the Unrighteous Mammon,
who will commit to your trust
The True Riches?
12. "And if ye have not
been faithful in that
which is another man's,
who shall give you
that which is your own?
13. "No servant can serve
two masters:
for either he will
hate the one,
and love the other;
or else he will
hold to the one,
and despise the other.
Ye cannot serve God
and mammon."

14. And the Pharisees also,
who were covetous,
heard all these things:
and they derided him.

15. And he Said unto them,

"Ye are they
which justify yourselves
before men;
but God knoweth your hearts:
for that which is
highly esteemed
among men is Abomination
in The Sight of God."

you have not answered the question o, this is what nigerian pastors do when you ask them what is Gods kingdom and how does it apply?
They will jump here and there

paxonel:
you are absolutely correct here, but how does this apply to reality?
but the scripture confirms that christ has already come, and that kingdom is already in you like you said here? Why are you contradicting yourself?

You just said the kingdom of God is in you, now you are saying it will come when christ come.
my guy, there are churches all over the world or this earth fully estabished everywhere what are you talking??

You see how you people contradict yourselves?

Ok, show me a scripture that says the kingdom of God is not fully established on this earth today

You want a scripture that shows that the kingdom of God is not fully established on earth, right? The below passage in the Lord's prayer shows that God's will is not totally done on earth just as it is in heaven where it is totally done. That's why Jesus told us to pray for God's will to be done on earth as it is in heaven. Only when it is fully done can we say the kingdom of God has fully been established.

Matthew 6:9-13 (KJV)
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Now, what is the will of God which is not done totally on earth?

John 6:40 (KJV)
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The will of God is for everyone to believe Jesus Christ so as to have everlasting life. People who are true Christians believe in Jesus Christ, but many people in this world don't. Why? Because Satan who is the god of this world has blinded them from doing the will of the father. How then can you say the kingdom of God is fully established on earth when the Bible calls Satan the god of this world? Until he is locked up, he remains the god of this world trying to hinder God's will by blinding people from the gospel of Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 4:4 KJV
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

alBHAGDADI:


@paxonel

This guy has done justice to the subject. I don't need to waste my time pandering to your hate for everything called pastor.

the guy did not relate it to reality. Even if pastors are mentioning Gods kingdom in their churches because they saw Christ preaching it in the bible, they will never relate it to reality for church members to understand what christ was saying in his parables because they are scared that if church members understand, they will stop coming to church to pay tithe and offering and they(pastors)will be broke.

Because knowing that the kingdom of God is in you implies that you carry the church in you therefore you dont need church building and the tithe and offering anymore for you to be justified. And perhaps, that is why you didnt know the answer from the onset when i was asking

To even think you said pastors are hiding this obvious truth from their church members is what makes me laugh.

If fake pastors aren't preaching this to their congregation, did they also burn all bibles to prevent the people from seeing God's words about his kingdom?

they know there is nothing they can do to prevent them from the kingdom. All they do is to hide this truth from them and keep them engaged in church and make money from their ignorance right inside the church, and the government cannot protect them because they were the ones who ignorantly carried themselves to church to be scammed

Blame the gullible people who have failed to study their Bible to show themselves approved, not the scammer pastor who is just doing is yahoo business. His own punishment will come soon when he expects not.

are students to be blamed for the failure of the teacher to teach them what they should know?

Remember you said these church members are babes, they are like children.

When you take your two years old child to school and all you here him saying is 1+1=3 ,who is to blame, is it not the teacher

Scammer teacher

MISHIGAS!

luvmijeje:
Funnily enough, the instruction of Christ to his disciples was to go ye into the world to preach about the upcoming Kingdom of God. What do we have now?

We have over-righteous and judgemental Christians going into people's house to tell people to be born again because their current life is not according to Christ or even inviting them to their church.

Is that the instruction of Christ?

OF COURSE IT IS, YOU FUNCTIONALLY-ILLITERATE IDIOTS!

. MATTHEW 24:14.

14. "And This Gospel of The Kingdom
shall be preached in all the World
for a witness unto all nations;
and then shall The End come."

. MATTHEW 24:35.

35. "Heaven and Earth shall pass away,
but my Words shall not pass away."

. JOHN 3:1-21.

THERE was a man of the Pharisees,
named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2. The same came to Jesus by night,
and said unto him,

"Rabbi, we know that thou
art a Teacher come from God:
for no man can do
these Miracles that thou doest,
except God be with him."

3. Jesus answered and said unto him,

"Verily, verily, I say unto thee,

'EXCEPT A MAN BE BORN AGAIN,
HE CANNOT SEE
THE KINGDOM OF GOD.' "

4. Nicodemus saith unto him,

"How can a man be born
when he is old?
Can he enter the second time
into his mother's womb,
and be born?"

5. Jesus answered,

"Verily, verily, I say unto thee,

'EXCEPT A MAN BE BORN
OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT,
HE CANNOT ENTER INTO
THE KINGDOM OF GOD.'

6. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh;
and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7. "Marvel not that I said unto thee,

'YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN.'

8. "The wind bloweth where it listeth,
and thou hearest the sound thereof,
but canst not tell whence it cometh,
and whither it goeth:
so is every one that is Born of the Spirit."

9. Nicodemus answered and said unto him,

"How can these things be?"

10. Jesus answered and said unto him,

"Art thou a Master of Israel,
knowest not these things?
11. "Verily, verily, I say unto thee,

'WE SPEAK THAT WE DO KNOW,
AND TESTIFY THAT WE HAVE SEEN;
AND YE RECEIVE NOT OUR WITNESS.'

12. "If I have told you Earthly things,
and ye believe not,
how shall ye believe,
if I tell you of Heavenly things?
13. “And no man hath Ascended up to Heaven,
but he that came down from Heaven,
even The Son of Man,
which is in Heaven.
14. "And as Moses lifted up
the serpent in the wilderness,
even so must The Son of Man be lifted up:
15. "That whosoever believeth in him
should not Perish,
but have Eternal Life.
16. "For God so loved the World,
that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not Perish,
but have Everlasting Life.
17. "For God sent not His Son into the World
to condemn the World;
but that the World
through him might be Saved.
18. "He that believeth on him
is not Condemned:
but he that believeth not
is Condemned already,
because he hath not believed
in the Name of The Only Begotten Son of God.
19. "And this is The Condemnation,

'THAT LIGHT IS COME
INTO THE WORLD,
AND MEN LOVED DARKNESS
RATHER THAN LIGHT,
BECAUSE THEIR DEEDS
WERE EVIL.'

20. "For every one that doeth Evil
hateth the Light,
neither cometh to The Light,
lest his deeds should be reproved.
21. "But he that doeth Truth
cometh to The Light,
that his deeds may be made manifest,
that they are wrought in God."

[“BORN AGAIN,” in Northern Aramaic means: “TO CHANGE ONE’S THOUGHTS AND HABITS.” Nicodemus spoke Southern Aramaic, and hence did not understand Jesus. – George Lamsa, Aramaic Authority.]

WHAT DID YOU THINK THAT THE GOSPEL LORD YESHUA PREACHED WAS?

Are you even capable of intelligent thought at all?

. MARK 1:14-15.

14. Now after that John
was put in prison,
Jesus came into Galilee,
preaching The Gospel
of The Kingdom of God,
15. And Saying,

"The time is fulfilled,
and The Kingdom of God is at hand:
repent ye,
and believe The Gospel."

THE GOSPEL IS NOT A "HOBBY!"

You are deciding your ETERNAL DESTINY with that your MOUTH!

You cannot even FIND The Kingdom of God, UNLESS YOU ARE BORN AGAIN.

Since LORD YESHUA is the first person to tell us anything about the New Birth, only the greatest dunces would criticize Christians for teaching people to be BORN AGAIN- and would stand by like oblivious idiots, unable to speak up to defend their own supposed Brethren.

To be "Born Again" is to change one's Thoughts and Habits to the extent of becoming a different person.

Whereas it is an Aramaic (the language of Yeshua and his people) idiom that Nicodemus ought to have known, it fits the Spiritual Reality of what happens to a person who finds and enters into The Kingdom of God on multiple levels.

For instance, ONE ACTUALLY DOES have to GO BACK INTO ONE'S MOTHER'S WOMB, AND RELIVE ONE'S BIRTH OVER AGAIN.

That Nicodemus was sceptical about that shows the depth of his ignorance.

. PSALM 119:97-105.

97. O how I love Thy Law!
It is my meditation all the day.
98. Thou through Thy Commandments
hast made me Wiser than mine enemies:
for They are ever with me.
99 I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for Thy Testimonies are my meditation.
100. I understand more than the Ancients,
because I keep Thy Precepts.
101. I have refrained my feet
from every Evil Way,
that I might keep Thy Word.
102. I have not departed from Thy Judgments:
for Thou hast taught me.
103. How sweet are Thy Words unto my taste!
yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
104. Through Thy Precepts I get Understanding:
therefore I hate every False Way.
105. Thy Word is a Lamp unto my feet,
and a Light unto my path.

THAT TELLS US THAT THE PHARISEES DID NOT KNOW MEDITATION- as taught by MOSES in LEVITICUS 11:1-47, and by Lord YESHUA in MATTHEW 18:1-35.

GOING INTO THE WATERS OF BAPTISM IS SYMBOLIC OF DEATH, AND EMERGENCE IS SYMBOLIC OF REBIRTH.

As one goes through Water Baptism, one resolves to leave behind one's previous Unholy and Unrighteous, or inadequately Holy and inadequately Unrighteous conduct, and live by LORD YESHUA'S GOSPEL.

. MATTHEW 7:1-6.

"JUDGE not,
that ye be not judged.
2. "For with what judgment ye judge,
ye shall be Judged:
and with what measure ye mete,
it shall be Measured to you again.
3. "And why beholdest thou the mote
that is in thy Brother's eye,
but considerest not the beam
that is in thine own eye?
4. "Or how wilt thou say to thy Brother,

'LET ME PULL OUT THE MOTE
OUT OF THINE EYE;'

and, behold,
a beam is in thine own eye?
5. "Thou Hypocrite, first cast out the beam
out of thine own eye;
and then shalt thou see clearly
to cast out the mote out of thy Brother's eye.
6. "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs,
neither cast ye your pearls before swine,
lest they trample them under their feet,
and turn again and rend you."

IT IS THE GREATEST IGNORANCE TO JUDGE SOMEONE TO BE "TOO RIGHTEOUS!"

What could be more stupid?

Can you stand before GOD, and declare that someone "PLEASES HIM TOO MUCH?"

Not even SATAN has that sort of mouth!

The only RIGHTEOUSNESS is to KEEP GOD'S COMMANDMENTS BY MOSES.

Anything that violates that cannot be "RIGHTEOUSNESS."

Too much Righteousness is an IMPOSSIBILITY! How could that ever work?

paxonel:
the guy did not relate it to reality. Even if pastors are mentioning Gods kingdom in their churches because they saw Christ preaching it in the bible, they will never relate it to reality for church members to understand what christ was saying in his parables because they are scared that if church members understand, they will stop coming to church to pay tithe and offering and they(pastors)will be broke.

Because knowing that the kingdom of God is in you implies that you carry the church in you therefore you dont need church building and the tithe and offering anymore for you to be justified. And perhaps, that is why you didnt know the answer from the onset when i was asking
they know there is nothing they can do to prevent them from the kingdom. All they do is to hide this truth from them and keep them engaged in church and make money from their ignorance right inside the church, and the government cannot protect them because they were the ones who ignorantly carried themselves to church to be scammed
are students to be blamed for the failure of the teacher to teach them what they should know?

Remember you said these church members are babes, they are like children.

When you take your two years old child to school and all you here him saying is 1+1=3 ,who is to blame, is it not the teacher

Scammer teacher

@bold Are you for real?

You opened this thread acting as if you know what the kingdom of God is, whereas you don't know anything about it. Here you are saying the Church lives inside of every individual, so they don't need church buildings. It is now quite clear that you don't understand the Bible.

We individuals are not the church even though we carry the spirit of God in us. An individual cannot make a church. It is the gathering of true Christians that makes a church. When they pick a building to gather, that building becomes the house of God. As seen in the verse below, we are to behave ourselves in the house of God which is the church. It doesn't say we are to behave ourselves inside ourselves because each of us is the church.

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.


I'll advice you closed down this thread so as to stop embarrassing yourself further.

alBHAGDADI:


You want a scripture that shows that the kingdom of God is not fully established on earth, right? The below passage in the Lord's prayer shows that God's will is not totally done on earth just as it is in heaven where it is totally done. That's why Jesus told us to pray for God's will to be done on earth as it is in heaven. Only when it is fully done can we say the kingdom of God has fully been established.

Matthew 6:9-13 (KJV)
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Now, what is the will of God which is not done totally on earth?

John 6:40 (KJV)
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The will of God is for everyone to believe Jesus Christ so as to have everlasting life. People who are true Christians believe in Jesus Christ, but many people in this world don't. Why? Because Satan who is the god of this world has blinded them from doing the will of the father. How then can you say the kingdom of God is fully established on earth when the Bible calls Satan the god of this world? Until he is locked up, he remains the god of this world trying to hinder God's will by blinding people from the gospel of Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 4:4 KJV
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

yes,it was true that christ thought his disciples to pray that the will of God should be done on earth,that was before he was crucified. The will of God he was referring to was his death and resurrection . Always be mindful of the time differences.

The time before he was crucified when he had his disciples following him ,there was no salvation at that time therefore the will of God was not established on earth thats why he asked them to pray that way. But the moment christ was crucified and he resurrected the will God at that point was established.

Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless NOT MY WILL, but thine, be done.

So, i can say categorically that Gods kingdom was established on this earth a long time ago, since 2000 years ago when christ resurrected.

Your pastors will never allow you people know this truth and be free

alBHAGDADI:

@bold Are you for real?

You opened this thread acting as if you know what the kingdom of God is, whereas you don't know anything about it. Here you are saying the Church lives inside of every individual, so they don't need church buildings. It is now quite clear that you don't understand the Bible.

We individuals are not the church even though we carry the spirit of God in us. An individual cannot make a church. It is the gathering of true Christians that makes a church. When they pick a building to gather, that building becomes the house of God. As seen in the verse below, we are to behave ourselves in the house of God which is the church. It doesn't say we are to behave ourselves inside ourselves because each of us is the church.

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.


I'll advice you closed down this thread so as to stop embarrassing yourself further.

like christ embarrassed himself when he said

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Tell me something,

How many building did christ build?

You were right saying a church does not comprise one individual which was the situation after christ resurrected, but i can tell you that if it was only person in the whole world who believed in christ as at the time christ resurrected that one person would have been the church Jesus established on earth

alBHAGDADI:
You disciples of Daddy Freeze are the most foolish and gullible beings. No wonder he deceived you all easily. You are all more gullible than the sleepless in fake churches. At least those ones are seeking the truth but came across liars and were deceived. You Free The Sheeple Movement members are foolish because you think you know the truth but you fell easily for the lie.

Here you are claiming Christians go about telling people to be born again, instead of them to go preach about the kingdom of God like Jesus commanded. For your information, what they are doing is actually what Jesus sent them, because you cannot see the kingdom of God unless you are born again. Below is Jesus talking.

John 3:3 KJV
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

luvmijeje:
Bullshit. I set a trap and I know a fool like you will fall into it. Mattew 25 : 34 - 39
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

And I don't have to be a righteous fool like you all to do the above.

"We individuals are not the church even though we carry the spirit of God in us. An individual cannot make a church.
It is the gathering of true Christians that makes a church. When they pick a building to gather, that building becomes the house of God. As seen in the verse below, we are to behave ourselves in the house of God which is the church. It doesn't say we are to behave ourselves inside ourselves because each of us is the church."
- by alBHAGDADI: 10:11pm On Jan 25

That piece by luvmijeje, though peppered stewed, sure shut up alBHAGDADI pretty fast, now he's settled for facing and having a go at paxonel and telling paxonel, as seen in the above inverted commas, that the church is not organic but the church is when a building is picked to gather in.

alBHAGDADI obviously is oblivious to how and why Jesus borrowed the ecclesia or ekklesia concept from the Greek. Note Jesus never and/or didnt say I will build an ekklesiasterion (i.e. a building or physical brick and mortar structure) but specifically mentioned He will build His ecclesia or ekklesia (i.e. human capital) on the rock solid foundation Peter uttered

MISHIGAS!

paxonel:
you have not answered the question o, this is what nigerian pastors do when you ask them what is Gods kingdom and how does it apply?
They will jump here and there

I answered the question immediately, and moved on.

oaroloye:

THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS WHEREVER GOD’S AUTHORITY IS UNDISPUTED.

It is an insult to the intelligence of Nigerian Pastors to claim that none of them could possibly know this simple Fact.

I DOUBT THAT ANYONE SO ARROGANT AS TO PRETEND TO KNOW WHAT EVERY PASTOR IN NIGERIA CAN POSSIBLY KNOW ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS.

Consistent with the haters of The Word of God, who ignore Posts that are backed by Scriptures, you pretended to have read it, and lied about its content.

oaroloye:

[b]THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS WHEREVER GOD’S AUTHORITY IS UNDISPUTED.

It is an insult to the intelligence of Nigerian Pastors to claim that none of them could possibly know this simple Fact.

I DOUBT THAT ANYONE SO ARROGANT AS TO PRETEND TO KNOW WHAT EVERY PASTOR IN NIGERIA CAN POSSIBLY KNOW ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS.

Or are you just a blockhead, who cannot comprehend what he reads, even when it answers questions he has been asking his whole life?

How do we know that it was not that every single Pastor you questioned didn't tell you the correct answer, but you were too stupid to understand it?

It is also consistent with the professional shill, paid by Colonial Christianity stooges to obstruct laymen from learning Biblical Truth on their own.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=sS9olPA2BK0

oaroloye:

THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS WHEREVER GOD’S AUTHORITY IS UNDISPUTED.

It is an insult to the intelligence of Nigerian Pastors to claim that none of them could possibly know this simple Fact.

I DOUBT THAT ANYONE SO ARROGANT AS TO PRETEND TO KNOW WHAT EVERY PASTOR IN NIGERIA CAN POSSIBLY KNOW ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS.

Issues of Eternal Destiny must be handled with diligence and patience. You have to concentrate to understand God.

It is difficult for you, because you had sinful parents.


. DEUTERONOMY 6:4-9.

4. Hear, O Israel:
The LORD our God
(is) one LORD.
5. And thou shalt love
The LORD thy God
with all thine Heart,
and with all thy Soul,
and with all thy Might.
6. And these Words,
which I Command thee
this day,
shall be in thine Heart.
7. And thou shalt
teach Them diligently
unto thy children,
and shalt talk of Them
when thou sittest
in thine house,
and when thou walkest
by the way,
and when thou liest down,
and when thou risest up.
8. And thou shalt bind Them
for a sign upon thine hand,
and they shall be
as frontlets
between thine eyes.
9. And thou shalt
write Them upon
the posts of thy house,
and on thy gates.

YOU NEVER GREW UP KEEPING GOD'S COMMANDMENTS AS A TYPICAL HEBREW ISRAELITE- HOW, THEN, COULD YOU POSSIBLY EXPECT TO UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE, APPROACHING IT AIRHEADEDLY?

NAGUALISM teaches that to become Spiritually Powerful, one must follow the Path of a WARRIOR:

. THE SIX ATTRIBUTES OF WARRIORSHIP.

1. CONTROL; 2. DISCIPLINE; 3. FORBEARANCE; 4. TIMING; 5. WILL; 6. THE PETTY TYRANT.

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda.]

AGENT SHILLS want Warriors destroyed, of course, so we should not expect to hear The Truth about these Teachings from such as you.

MuttleyLaff:


"We individuals are not the church even though we carry the spirit of God in us. An individual cannot make a church.
It is the gathering of true Christians that makes a church. When they pick a building to gather, that building becomes the house of God. As seen in the verse below, we are to behave ourselves in the house of God which is the church. It doesn't say we are to behave ourselves inside ourselves because each of us is the church."
- by alBHAGDADI: 10:11pm On Jan 25

That piece by luvmijeje, though peppered stewed, sure shut up alBHAGDADI pretty fast, now he's settled for facing and having a go at paxonel and telling paxonel, as seen in the above inverted commas, that the church is not organic but the church is when a building is picked to gather in.

alBHAGDADI obviously is oblivious to how and why Jesus borrowed the ecclesia or ekklesia concept from the Greek. Note Jesus never and/or didnt say I will build an ekklesiasterion (i.e. a building or physical brick and mortar structure) but specifically mentioned He will build His ecclesia or ekklesia (i.e. human capital) on the rock solid foundation Peter uttered

Perhaps you didn't see that luvmijeje's post doesn't in anyway tend to my post. I ignored her post not only because it didn't treat my post but also because it reeks of ignorance. Let's have a look.

luvmijeje:


Bullshit. I set a trap and I know a fool like you will fall into it. Mattew 25 : 34 - 39

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’


And I don't have to be a righteous fool like you all to do the above.

According to her, she can make heaven by not being born again but simply by feeding the less privileged and clothing them. That's why she cited the verses she did.

Like I always say, the Bible is not a book for the carnal mind. If you are not born again and with the spirit of God, you won't understand the words of the book which are spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Now, she quoted a passage but didn't understand stand it, that's why she got the wrong notion from it. That wrong notion is that she can enter the kingdom of God simply by rendering help to people without believe in Jesus which makes one born again. She forgot that the passage spoke of some people on the RIGHT and some on the LEFT. Those on the right did certain things, thinfs which luvmijeje thinks if she does she will also make the kingdom of God. But guess what? Those on the RIGHT became something first before they could do those things which now made Jesus place them on the RIGHT. They first became his sheep by believe in him which is equivalent to being born again. Look at verse 34

Matthew 25:33-40 (KJV)
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Below is Jesus talking about his sheep.

John 10:27-28 (KJV)
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

How did they become his sheep? They became his sheep by doing the will of the father which is to believe in Jesus Christ as seen in the verse below. Notice how they both speak of eternal or everlasting life.

John 6:40 KJV
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Luvmijeje is saying that she doesn't need to be born again which is the same thing as believe in Jesus Christ. According to her, all she needs to do is good WORKS just as the sheep on the RIGHT did. She is skipping the part where those sheep believed in Jesus before they could become sheep worthy to be placed on the RIGHT.

Luvmijeje is simply trusting in her WORKS of righteousness to save her instead of having faith or believe in Jesus. She doesn't know that our works are filthy rags before God, so such can't save us. What saves us and makes us righteous is our believe/faith in God, same thing that got Abraham saved cos God counted that as righteousness.

Genesis 15:6 (KJV)
And he believed in the LORD ; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Your works of righteousness can't save you. If you like do all the good in this world, if you lack faith in Jesus, you will end up damned like the goats in Mathew 25 who failed to do God's will. Works cannot save you but faith in Jesus will.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of WORKS, lest any man should boast.

Those people whom Jesus placed on the right were placed there first due to their faith which made them sheep of Jesus. It was after that was done that their works now brought them reward. It never said their works is what saved them. If it's their works that saved them, then what's the need for Jesus? As for the goats, many of them did good works as well, but they got condemned because they didn't have faith in Jesus.

Now, as long as you have faith in Jesus, you are a righteous man. Even if you don't do works, you are still counted as righteous.

Romans 4:5 (KJV)
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Now compare the above verse with how the Bible refered to Abraham below.

Genesis 15:6 (KJV)
And he believed in the LORD ; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

paxonel:
like christ embarrassed himself when he said

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Tell me something,

How many building did christ build?

You were right saying a church does not comprise one individual which was the situation after christ resurrected, but i can tell you that if it was only person in the whole world who believed in christ as at the time christ resurrected that one person would have been the church Jesus established on earth

Please go and get the Holy Spirit before you quote scriptures otherwise you will continue quoting in error.

Jesus never said he was going to build his church on Peter. He was simply saying he would build his church on himself i.e on Jesus.

Peter is not the Rock. Peter is a STONE as Jesus himself called him in the verse below.

John 1:42 KJV
And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.


Now if Peter is not the Rock, who then is the Rock whom Jesus said he would build his Church on? That Rock is Jesus Christ himself who has always been the Rock the people of God relied on right from the old testament.

1 Corinthians 10:4 (KJV)
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Psalm 18:2 KJV
The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower


Peter was a stone. Misconstruing Mathew 16:18 to mean he is the Rock is the same as holding on to Catholic propaganda. That is why they believe Peter was the first pope and have since been having different Pope's whom they call father even when Jesus says to call no one our father.

I think I'm done schooling your ignorance.

alBHAGDADI:
Perhaps you didn't see that luvmijeje's post doesn't in anyway tend to my post. I ignored her post not only because it didn't treat my post but also because it reeks of ignorance. Let's have a look.

According to her, she can make heaven by not being born again but simply by feeding the less privileged and clothing them. That's why she cited the verses she did.

Like I always say, the Bible is not a book for the carnal mind. If you are not born again and with the spirit of God, you won't understand the words of the book which are spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Now, she quoted a passage but didn't understand stand it, that's why she got the wrong notion from it. That wrong notion is that she can enter the kingdom of God simply by rendering help to people without believe in Jesus which makes one born again. She forgot that the passage spoke of some people on the RIGHT and some on the LEFT. Those on the right did certain things, thinfs which luvmijeje thinks if she does she will also make the kingdom of God. But guess what? Those on the RIGHT became something first before they could do those things which now made Jesus place them on the RIGHT. They first became his sheep by believe in him which is equivalent to being born again. Look at verse 34

Matthew 25:33-40 (KJV)
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Below is Jesus talking about his sheep.

John 10:27-28 (KJV)
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

How did they become his sheep? They became his sheep by doing the will of the father which is to believe in Jesus Christ as seen in the verse below. Notice how they both speak of eternal or everlasting life.

John 6:40 KJV
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Luvmijeje is saying that she doesn't need to be born again which is the same thing as believe in Jesus Christ. According to her, all she needs to do is good WORKS just as the sheep on the RIGHT did. She is skipping the part where those sheep believed in Jesus before they could become sheep worthy to be placed on the RIGHT.

Luvmijeje is simply trusting in her WORKS of righteousness to save her instead of having faith or believe in Jesus. She doesn't know that our works are filthy rags before God, so such can't save us. What saves us and makes us righteous is our believe/faith in God, same thing that got Abraham saved cos God counted that as righteousness.

Genesis 15:6 (KJV)
And he believed in the LORD ; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Your works of righteousness can't save you. If you like do all the good in this world, if you lack faith in Jesus, you will end up damned like the goats in Mathew 25 who failed to do God's will. Works cannot save you but faith in Jesus will.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of WORKS, lest any man should boast.

Those people whom Jesus placed on the right were placed there first due to their faith which made them sheep of Jesus. It was after that was done that their works now brought them reward. It never said their works is what saved them. If it's their works that saved them, then what's the need for Jesus? As for the goats, many of them did good works as well, but they got condemned because they didn't have faith in Jesus.

Now, as long as you have faith in Jesus, you are a righteous man. Even if you don't do works, you are still counted as righteous.

Romans 4:5 (KJV)
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Now compare the above verse with how the Bible refered to Abraham below.

Genesis 15:6 (KJV)
And he believed in the LORD ; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

alBHAGDADI, if I hadnt brought this matter between you and luvimijeje up, you wouldnt have found your tongue back, so here are seven simple questions to see who between you and luvmijeje really understands better. Seven easy, walk-in-the park questions for you can nibble on:
1/ What is the litmus test, to know if someone is born from above or not (i.e. born again or not)?
2/ Give the prominent example in the bible of someone born from above or not (i.e. born again or not)
3/ How many times did Jesus publicly teach and/or preach the "born again" doctrine?
4/ Who are classified as having or showing dogged determination not to change one's attitude or position on something, especially in spite of shown good reasons to do so (i.e. goats)?
5/ What to your understanding, is righteousness, if not concurrently, doing the right thing, at the right time whilst remaining in right and good standing with God by being on His right side?
6/ When Jesus was asked; "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?" did He mention born again to the rich young ruler?
7/ On another occasion, when a lawyer stood up to put Jesus to the test, by saying, "Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?", did Jesus teach or mention born again to the lawyer?

You are fond of hiding behind verbosity and also become skilled, at hiding needle of truth(s) in haystack of woven tissue of lies

MuttleyLaff:
alBHAGDADI, if I hadnt brought this matter between you and luvimijeje up, you wouldnt have found your tongue back, so here are seven simple questions to see who between you and luvmijeje really understands better. Seven easy, walk-in-the park questions for you can nibble on:
1/ What is the litmus test, to know if someone is born from above or not (i.e. born again or not)?
2/ Give the prominent example in the bible of someone born from above or not (i.e. born again or not)
3/ How many times did Jesus publicly teach and/or preach the "born again" doctrine?
4/ Who are classified as having or showing dogged determination not to change one's attitude or position on something, especially in spite of shown good reasons to do so (i.e. goats)?
5/ What to your understanding, is righteousness, if not concurrently, doing the right thing, at the right time whilst remaining in right and good standing with God by being on His right side?
6/ When Jesus was asked; "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?" did He mention born again to the rich young ruler?
7/ On another occasion, when a lawyer stood up to put Jesus to the test, by saying, "Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?", did Jesus teach or mention born again to the lawyer?

You are fond of hiding behind verbosity and become skilled at hiding needle of truth in haystack of woven tissue of lies

You do have a problem, but you don't know that.

1. If a person says he believes Jesus died for his sins but still believes he can lose his salvation, such a person is not born again. Salvation can't be lost because the moment you become born again, you can't unborn yourself.

2. Examples are those disciples and Christians who believed in Jesus. Those not born again are those who didn't believe.

John 6:64 (KJV)
But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

John 6:66 (KJV)
From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

3. The born again teaching is a root of the teachings of Jesus Christ. He came to tell men of the kingdom of God which they must be born again before they can enter. And to be born again, you have to believe in him. His teachings and that of his disciples were centered around believe in Jesus, which when you do you become born again.

4. Make yourself clear here.

5. Righteousness according to the Bible are of two kinds. One is the one we men see and the other is the one only God can see. The one we men see involves works of righteousness e.g doing good, helping the needy, giving alms etc. While such works of righteousness are good, the Bible says such can't save you.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of WORKS , lest any man should boast.

Depending on such works which the Bible calls filthy rags is the same as saying you believe filthy rags will get you to heaven instead of Jesus.

Now, what is the other righteousness? It is the one only God sees. That righteousness is faith or believe in Jesus. With this kind of righteousness, you don't even need works to be saved because your faith in Jesus saves you as seen in the verse above and the one below.

Romans 4:5 (KJV)
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Now compare the above verse with how the Bible refered to Abraham below whose faith was counted for righteousness.

Genesis 15:6 (KJV)
And he believed in the LORD ; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

6. Perhaps, you were expecting to see Jesus say the words "born again". He didn't use that phrase but he implied it when he told the man to follow him. He first of all showed the man that depending on the works of righteousness as seen in the law can't get you saved unless you follow me.

Mathew 16:21
21 Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

The moment you follow Jesus, you become his sheep and he gives you eternal life.

John 10:27-28 (KJV)
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

7. That verse is a parrallel of the passage in Mathew 16 Which I just explained above.

alBHAGDADI:


Perhaps you didn't see that luvmijeje's post doesn't in anyway tend to my post. I ignored her post not only because it didn't treat my post but also because it reeks of ignorance. Let's have a look.



According to her, she can make heaven by not being born again but simply by feeding the less privileged and clothing them. That's why she cited the verses she did.

Like I always say, the Bible is not a book for the carnal mind. If you are not born again and with the spirit of God, you won't understand the words of the book which are spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Now, she quoted a passage but didn't understand stand it, that's why she got the wrong notion from it. That wrong notion is that she can enter the kingdom of God simply by rendering help to people without believe in Jesus which makes one born again. She forgot that the passage spoke of some people on the RIGHT and some on the LEFT. Those on the right did certain things, thinfs which luvmijeje thinks if she does she will also make the kingdom of God. But guess what? Those on the RIGHT became something first before they could do those things which now made Jesus place them on the RIGHT. They first became his sheep by believe in him which is equivalent to being born again. Look at verse 34

Matthew 25:33-40 (KJV)
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Below is Jesus talking about his sheep.

John 10:27-28 (KJV)
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

How did they become his sheep? They became his sheep by doing the will of the father which is to believe in Jesus Christ as seen in the verse below. Notice how they both speak of eternal or everlasting life.

John 6:40 KJV
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Luvmijeje is saying that she doesn't need to be born again which is the same thing as believe in Jesus Christ. According to her, all she needs to do is good WORKS just as the sheep on the RIGHT did. She is skipping the part where those sheep believed in Jesus before they could become sheep worthy to be placed on the RIGHT.

Luvmijeje is simply trusting in her WORKS of righteousness to save her instead of having faith or believe in Jesus. She doesn't know that our works are filthy rags before God, so such can't save us. What saves us and makes us righteous is our believe/faith in God, same thing that got Abraham saved cos God counted that as righteousness.

Genesis 15:6 (KJV)
And he believed in the LORD ; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Your works of righteousness can't save you. If you like do all the good in this world, if you lack faith in Jesus, you will end up damned like the goats in Mathew 25 who failed to do God's will. Works cannot save you but faith in Jesus will.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of WORKS, lest any man should boast.

Those people whom Jesus placed on the right were placed there first due to their faith which made them sheep of Jesus. It was after that was done that their works now brought them reward. It never said their works is what saved them. If it's their works that saved them, then what's the need for Jesus? As for the goats, many of them did good works as well, but they got condemned because they didn't have faith in Jesus.

Now, as long as you have faith in Jesus, you are a righteous man. Even if you don't do works, you are still counted as righteous.

Romans 4:5 (KJV)
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Now compare the above verse with how the Bible refered to Abraham below.

Genesis 15:6 (KJV)
And he believed in the LORD ; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

That's how you climb the pulpit to start teaching rubbish. Do you know why I quote that scripture? I quoted that scripture in order for you to see how flawed the scripture is

In order to justified the scripture I quoted, you quoted a parable of a sheep and a goat to me. The other scriptures you quoted is bullshit because I don't believe in the teaching of Paul. I've already opened 3 threads on how the teachings of Paul differ from the teaching of Christ and I'm still going to open 17 more threads.

You have been deafening our ears on why we must be born again, why at the end of it all, it was never a requirement.

When Christ sent the 12 and 72 disciples, he didn't command them to baptize anybody. You all make having relationship with God, rigorous, difficult and cumbersome with all these teachings of men. The Bible is the teachings of men and one of my purpose on this section is to prove it.

MISHIGAS!

MuttleyLaff:
You are fond of hiding behind verbosity and become skilled at hiding needle of truth in haystack of woven tissue of lies

YOU DO NOT FOLLOW LORD YESHUA, SO YOU ARE IN NO POSITION TO TELL CHRISTIANS WHAT THEIR LORD'S GOSPEL MEANS.

The last refuge of the Hypocrite is to accuse others of what they are doing.


. JOHN 3:1-21.

THERE was a man of the Pharisees,
named Nicodemus, a Ruler of the Jews:
2. The same came to Jesus by night,
and said unto him,
"Rabbi, we know
that thou art a Teacher
come from God:
for no man can do
these Miracles that thou doest,
except God be with him."

3. Jesus answered
and Said unto him,

"Verily, verily, I Say unto thee,

'EXCEPT A MAN
BE BORN AGAIN,
HE CANNOT SEE
THE KINGDOM OF GOD.'

4. Nicodemus saith unto him,
"How can a man be born
when he is old?
Can he enter the second time
into his mother's womb,
and be born?"

5. Jesus answered,

"Verily, verily, I Say unto thee,

'EXCEPT A MAN BE BORN
OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT,
HE CAN NOT ENTER INTO
THE KINGDOM OF GOD.'[/b

6. "That which is Born of the Flesh is flesh;
and that which is Born of the Spirit is spirit.
7. "Marvel not that I Said unto thee,

[b]'YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN.'

8. "The wind bloweth where it listeth,
and thou hearest the sound thereof,
but canst not tell whence it cometh,
and whither it goeth:
so is every one that is Born of the Spirit."

9. Nicodemus answered
and said unto him,

"How can these things be?"

10. Jesus answered and Said
unto him,

"Art thou a Master of Israel,
and knowest not these things?
11. "Verily, verily, I Say unto thee,

'WE SPEAK THAT WE DO KNOW,
AND TESTIFY THAT WE HAVE SEEN;
AND YE RECEIVE NOT OUR WITNESS.'

12. "If I have told you Earthly Things,
and ye believe not,
how shall ye believe,
if I tell you of Heavenly Things?
13. "And no man hath ascended up to Heaven,
but he that came down from Heaven,
even the Son of Man which is in Heaven.
14. "And as Moses lifted up
the Serpent in the Wilderness,
even so must The Son of Man
be lifted up:
15. "That whosoever believeth in him
should not perish,
but have Eternal Life.
16. "For God so loved the World,
that He gave His only Begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him
should not Perish,
but have Everlasting Life.
17. "For God sent not His Son
into the World to Condemn the World;
but that the World through him
might be Saved.
18. "He that believeth in him
is not Condemned:
but he that believeth not
is Condemned Already,
because he hath not believed in
The Name of The Only
Begotten Son of God.
19. "And this is The Condemnation,

'THAT LIGHT IS COME
INTO THE WORLD,
AND MEN LOVED DARKNESS
RATHER THAN LIGHT,
BECAUSE THEIR DEEDS
WERE EVIL.'

20. "For every one that doeth Evil
hateth The Light,
neither cometh to The Light,
lest his deeds should be reproved.
21. "But he that doeth Truth
cometh to The Light,
that his deeds may be manifest,
that they are wrought in God."

"BORN AGAIN" IN NORTHERN ARAMAIC MEANS: "TO CHANGE ONE'S THOUGHTS AND HABITS." NICODEMUS SPOKE SOUTHERN ARAMAIC, AND HENCE DID NOT UNDERSTAND JESUS. Footnote to JOHN 3:3,5 in the Lamsa Peshitta Bible.

Most Westerners only know the LATIN or GREEK- translated Bibles, therefore, they misunderstand what Lord Yeshua said, exaggerating the Teaching and Experience into things It is not.

MuttleyLaff:
alBHAGDADI, if I hadnt brought this matter between you and luvimijeje up, you wouldnt have found your tongue back, so here are seven simple questions to see who between you and luvmijeje really understands better. Seven easy, walk-in-the park questions for you can nibble on:
1/ What is the litmus test, to know if someone is born from above or not (i.e. born again or not)?

. MATTHEW 7:1-6.

"JUDGE not,
that ye be not judged.
2. "For with what judgment ye judge,
ye shall be Judged:
and with what measure ye mete,
it shall be Measured to you again.
3. "And why beholdest thou the mote
that is in thy Brother's eye,
but considerest not the beam
that is in thine own eye?
4. "Or how wilt thou say to thy Brother,

'LET ME PULL OUT THE MOTE
OUT OF THINE EYE;'

and, behold,
a beam is in thine own eye?
5. "Thou Hypocrite, first cast out the beam
out of thine own eye;
and then shalt thou see clearly
to cast out the mote out of thy Brother's eye.
6. "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs,
neither cast ye your pearls before swine,
lest they trample them under their feet,
and turn again and rend you."

IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS TO KNOW WHO IS AND WHO IS NOT BORN AGAIN, BECAUSE YOU WILL ONLY USE THE KNOWLEDGE MALCIOUSLY, TO DESTROY THE CHILDREN OF GOD AND THE CHURCH OF LORD YESHUA.

It is not important for you to know who the "BORN AGAIN" of other people are: it is only important for you to know that you will never be one of them.

Lord Yeshua specifically said that those BORN AGAIN of WATER and THE SPIRIT have MOTIVATIONS that are INVISIBLE to fools like you.

. DEUTERONOMY 30:19-20.

19. I call Heaven and Earth
to record this day against you,
that I have set before you
Life and Death,
Blessing and Cursing:
therefore CHOOSE LIFE,

That both thou and thy seed may live:

20. That thou mayest love
The LORD thy God,

And that thou mayest obey His Voice,

and that thou mayest cleave unto Him:

for He is thy Life,
and the Length of thy days:

That thou mayest dwell
in the land
which The LORD sware
unto thy fathers,
to Abraham, to Isaac,
and to Jacob,
to give them.

THAT IS BECAUSE THEY HEAR THE VOICE OF GOD, AND YOU CANNOT- BECAUSE YOU HAVE CHOSEN DEATH, AND NOT LIFE.

Why do you want to know who God's Children are?

Even because YOU WANT TO KILL THEM!

[color =silver].[/color] MATTHEW 2:1-8.

NOW when Jesus was born
in Bethlehem of Judaea
in the days of Herod the king,
behold, there came wise men
from the East to Jerusalem,
2. Saying,

"Where is he that is born
King of the Jews?
For we have seen his star
in the East,
and are come to worship him."

3. When Herod the king
had heard these things,
he was troubled,
and all Jerusalem with him.
4. And when he had gathered
all the Chief Priests
and scribes of the people together,
he demanded of them
where Christ should be born.
5. And they said unto him,

"In Bethlehem of Judaea:
for thus it is written
by the Prophet,

6. 'AND THOU BETHLEHEM,
IN THE LAND OF JUDA,
ART NOT THE LEAST
AMONG THE PRINCES
OF JUDA:
FOR OUT OF THEE
SHALL COME A GOVERNOR,
THAT SHALL RULE
MY PEOPLE ISRAEL.' "

7. Then Herod,
when he had privily
called the wise men,
enquired of them diligently
what time the star appeared.
8. And he sent them to Bethlehem,
and said,

"Go and search diligently
for the young child;
and when ye have found him,
bring me word again,
that I may come
and worship him also."

THERE IS NO OTHER MOTIVE YOU COULD POSSIBLY HAVE.


. MATTHEW 12:30.

]color=#990000]30. "He that is not with me
is against me;
and he that
gathereth not with me
scattereth abroad."[/color]

MuttleyLaff:
2/ Give the prominent example in the bible of someone born from above or not (i.e. born again or not)

ALL OF THE DISCIPLES WERE BORN AGAIN OF WATER, BUT WERE NEVER BORN AGAIN OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD.

They changed their THOUGHTS and HABITS from what they had been before, but they failed to change them to what Lord Yeshua was.

Therefore, they BROKE THE LAW OF GOD BY MOSES, and THE COMMANDMENTS OF LORD YESHUA.

Of course, the functionally-illiterate will demand that examples and explanations be spoonfed to them...

oaroloye:

.   ACTS 5:1-11.

BUT a certain man named Ananias,
with Sapphira his wife,
sold a possession,
2. And kept back part of the price,
his wife also being privy to it,
and brought a certain part,
and laid it at the Apostles' feet.
3. But Peter said,

"Ananias, why hath Satan
filled thine heart
to lie to The Holy Ghost,
and to keep back part
of the price of the land?
4. "Whiles it remained,
was it not thine own?
And after it was sold,
was it not in thine own power?
Why hast thou conceived
this thing in thine heart?
Thou hast not lied unto men,
but unto God."

5. And Ananias
hearing these words
fell down,
and gave up the ghost:
and great fear came on all them
that heard these things.
6. And the young men arose,
wound him up,
and carried him out,
and buried him.
7. And it was about
the space of three hours after,
when his wife,
not knowing what was done,
came in.
8. And Peter answered unto her,

"Tell me whether ye
sold the land for so much?"

And she said,

"Yea, for so much."

9. Then Peter said unto her,

"How is it that ye have
agreed together
to tempt The Spirit of the Lord?
Behold, the feet of them
which have buried thy husband
are at the door,
and shall carry thee out."

10. Then fell she down
straightway at his feet,
and yielded up the ghost:
and the young men came in,
and found her dead,
and, carrying her forth,
buried her by her husband.
11. And great fear
came upon all the Church,
and upon as many
as heard these things.

EVERY CHRISTIAN WHO AGREES WITH PETER'S JUDGMENT HAS AGREED TO THE SAME JUDGMENT UPON THEMSELVES.

DO YOU AGREE that YOU FORFEIT YOUR LIVES, if YOU PROMISED to SERVE LORD YAHSHUA WHOLEHEARTEDLY- but then renege?

.   ACTS 11:26.

26. And it came to pass,
that a whole year,
they assembled themselves
with the Church,
and taught much people.
And the Disciples were called "CHRISTIANS"
first at Antioch.

.   LUKE 14:25-35.

25. And there went great multitudes with him:
and he turned,
and Said unto them,

26. "If any man come to me,
and hate not his father, and mother,
and wife, and children, and brethren,
and sisters, yea, and his own life also,
he cannot be my Disciple.
27. "And whosoever doth not bear his cross,
and come after me, cannot be my Disciple.
28. "For which of you,
intending to build a tower,
sitteth not down first,
and counteth the cost,
whether he have sufficient to finish it?
29. "Lest haply,
after he hath laid the foundation,
and is not able to finish it,
all that behold it begin to mock him,
30. "Saying,

'THIS MAN BEGAN TO BUILD,
AND WAS NOT ABLE TO FINISH.'

31. "Or what king,
going to make war against another king,
sitteth not down first,
and consulteth whether he be able
with ten thousand
to meet him that cometh against him
with twenty thousand?
32. "Or else,
while the other is yet a great way off,
he sendeth an ambassage,
and desireth conditions of peace.
33. "So likewise, whosoever he be of you
that forsaketh not all that he hath,
he cannot be my Disciple.
34. "Salt is good:
but if the salt have lost his savour,
wherewith shall it be seasoned?
35."It is neither fit for the land,
nor yet for the dunghill;
but men cast it out.
He that hath ears to hear,
let him hear."

.     JOHN 8:30-32.

30. As he spake these Words,
many believed on him.
31. Then Said Jesus to those Jews
which believed on him,

"If ye continue in my Word,
(then) are ye my Disciples indeed;
32. "And ye shall know The Truth,
and The Truth shall make you Free."

   [color=#990000]JOHN 15:1-8.

"I AM The True Vine,
and my Father is The Husbandman.
2. "Every branch in me
that beareth not Fruit
He taketh away:
and every branch
that beareth Fruit,
He purgeth it,
that it may bring forth
more Fruit.
3. "Now ye are clean
through the Word
Which I have spoken unto you.
4. "Abide in me, and I in you.
As the branch cannot
bear fruit of itself,
except it abide in the vine;
no more can ye,
except ye abide in me.
5. "I am the Vine,
ye are the Branches:

'HE THAT ABIDETH IN ME
AND I IN HIM,
THE SAME BRINGETH FORTH
MUCH FRUIT:'

for without me ye can do Nothing.
6. "If a man abide not in me,
he is cast forth as a branch,
and is withered;
and men gather them,
and cast them into the Fire,
and they are burned.
7. "If ye abide in me,
and my Words abide in you,
ye shall ask what ye will,
and it shall be done unto you.
8. "Herein is my Father Glorified,

or=#006600]'THAT YE BEAR MUCH FRUIT.'[/color]

so shall ye be my Disciples.

EVERY CHRISTIAN WHO COMMITS SIN REJECTS LORD YAHSHUA.

Anyone who breaks ANY ONE of his LEAST COMMANDMENTS has REJECTED LORD YAHSHUA, and Lord Yahshua has REJECTED THEM.

.. LUKE 9:51-56.

51. And it came to pass,
when the time was come
that he should be received up,
he stedfastly set his face
to go to Jerusalem,
52. And sent messengers
before his face:
and they went,
and entered into a village
of the Samaritans,
to make ready for him.
53. And they did not receive him,
because his face was as though
he would go to Jerusalem.
54. And when his Disciples
James and John saw this,
they said,

"Lord, wilt thou that we
Command Fire to come down
from Heaven,
and consume them,
even as Elias did?"

55. But he turned,
and rebuked them,
and said,

"Ye know not what
manner of spirit ye are of.
56. "For The Son of Man is not
come to destroy men's lives,
but to Save them."

THAT SHOULD SUFFICE TO PROVE THAT THE DISCIPLES WERE NO LONGER FOLLOWERS OF YESHUA.

MuttleyLaff:
3/ How many times did Jesus publicly teach and/or preach the "born again" doctrine?

AS FAR AS WE KNOW, LORD YESHUA NEVER PREACHED NOR TAUGHT HIS BORN AGAIN DOCTRINE PUBLICLY.

The ideal time to have done this should have been at his WATER BAPTISMS. Nicodemus' mystified bemusement tells us that neither he nor YOCHANNAN BAPTIST were using THAT explanation of what they were doing, and NOBODY WAS THINKING ABOUT IT- or they should have REALIZED that THE WATER WAS GIVING BIRTH to NEW PEOPLE!

However, just because you have changed, that doesn't mean that you have changed into a CHILD OF GOD!

.   MATTHEW 12:41-45.

41. "The men of Nineveh
shall rise in Judgment
with this Generation,
and shall Condemn It:
because they repented
at the Preaching of Jonas;
and, behold,
a Greater than Jonas is here.
42. "The Queen of the South
shall rise up in the Judgment
with this Generation,
and shall Condemn It:
for she came from
The Uttermost Parts of the Earth
to hear The Wisdom of Solomon;
and, behold,
a Greater than Solomon is here.
43. "When the unclean spirit
is gone out of a man,
he walketh through dry places,
seeking rest,
and findeth none.
44. "Then he saith,

'I WILL RETURN INTO MY HOUSE
FROM WHENCE I CAME OUT;'

and when he is come, he findeth it empty,
swept, and garnished.
45. "Then goeth he, and taketh with himself
seven other spirits more wicked than himself,
and they enter in and dwell there:
and the last state of that man
is worse than the first.
Even so shall it be also
unto this Wicked Generation."

THE DISCIPLES' SPIRITUAL FATHER WAS SATAN.

They became worse than they were before Lord Yeshua found them.

MuttleyLaff:
4/ Who are classified as having or showing dogged determination not to change one's attitude or position on something, especially in spite of shown good reasons to do so (i.e. goats)?

EVERY SORT OF CHRISTIAN CAN BE SO DESCRIBED.

LUKE 5:36-39.

36. And he Spake also
a Parable unto them;

"No man putteth
a piece of a new garment
upon an old;
if otherwise,
then both the new
maketh a rent,
and the piece that was
taken out of the new
agreeth not with the old.
37. "And no man putteth
new wine into old bottles;
else the new wine
will burst the bottles,
and be spilled,
and the bottles shall perish.
38. "But new wine
must be put into new bottles;
and both are preserved.
39. "No man also
having drunk old wine
straightway desireth new:
for he saith,'

'THE OLD IS BETTER.' "

MuttleyLaff:
5/ What to your understanding, is righteousness, if not concurrently, doing the right thing, at the right time whilst remaining in right and good standing with God by being on His right side?

"THE RIGHT THING" CAN ONLY BE THE OBEDIENCE OF GOD'S COMMANDMENTS BY MOSES.

Any Commandment by any other Prophet, contradicting those Commandments, cannot be accepted as valid.

MuttleyLaff:
6/ When Jesus was asked; "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?" did He mention born again to the rich young ruler?

. MATTHEW 19:16-30.

16. And, behold, one came
and said unto him,

"Good Master,
what good thing shall I do,
that I may have Eternal Life?"

17. And he saith unto him,

"Why callest thou me 'Good?'
(There is) none Good but One,
(that is,) God:
but if thou wilt enter into Life,
keep The Commandments."

18. He saith unto him,

"Which?"

Jesus Said,

"THOU SHALT DO NO MURDER
THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY,
THOU SHALT NOT STEAL,
THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS,
19. "HONOUR THY FATHER
AND (THY) MOTHER: and,
THOU SHALT LOVE
THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF."

20. The young man saith unto him,

"All these thing things
have I kept from my youth up:
what lack I yet?"

21. Jesus Saith unto him,

"If thou wilt be perfect,
go (and) sell that thou hast,
and give to the Poor,
and thou shalt have
Treasure in Heaven:
and come (and) follow me."

22. But when the young man
heard that Saying,
he went away sorrowful:
for he had great possessions.
23. Then Said Jesus
unto his Disciples,

"Verily I Say unto you,

'THAT A RICH MAN
SHALL HARDLY ENTER INTO
THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.'

24. "Again I Say unto you,

'IT IS EASIER FOR A CAMEL
TO GO THROUGH
THE EYE OF A NEEDLE,
THAN FOR A RICH MAN
TO ENTER INTO
THE KINGDOM OF GOD.' "

25. When his Disciples heard (it)
they were exceedingly amazed,
saying,

"Who then can be Saved?"

26. But Jesus beheld (them),
and Said unto them,

"With men this is impossible;
but with God all things are possible."

27. Then answered Peter
and said unto him,

"Behold, we have forsaken all,
and followed thee;
what shall we have therefore?"

28. And Jesus Said unto them,

"Verily I Say unto you,

'THAT YE WHICH HAVE FOLLOWED ME,
IN THE REGENERATION
WHEN THE SON OF MAN
SHALL SIT IN THE THRONE
OF HIS GLORY,
YE ALSO SHALL SIT
UPON TWELVE THRONES,
JUDGING THE TWELVE TRIBES
OF ISRAEL.
29. 'AND EVERY ONE THAT HATH
FORSAKEN HOUSES, OR BRETHREN,
OR SISTERS, OR FATHER, OR MOTHER,
OR WIFE, OR CHILDREN, OR LANDS,
FOR MY NAME'S SAKE,
SHALL RECEIVE AN HUNDREDFOLD,
AND SHALL INHERIT EVERLASTING LIFE.'

30. "But many that are first
shall be last;
and the last shall be first."

THE LAW OF MOSES TAUGHT THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL TO ACQUIRE RICHES AND PASS ON WEALTH THEY EARNED- NOT GIVE IT AWAY TO PEOPLE WHO NEVER WORKED FOR IT!

To attain EVERLASTING LIFE requires a radical change in THOUGHT and HABIT, that changes one into a NEW PERSON. That is what being BORN AGAIN is.

Had "THE RICH YOUNG RULER" obeyed Lord Yeshua without Understanding, he would have ATTAINED Understanding.

But he FAILED to be REBORN.

MuttleyLaff:
7/ On another occasion, when a lawyer stood up to put Jesus to the test, by saying, "Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?", did Jesus teach or mention born again to the lawyer?

[b]THAT IS NOTHING BUT THE BORN AGAIN DOCTRINE!

. LUKE 10:25-37.

25. And, behold,
a certain lawyer stood up,
and tempted him,
saying,

"Master, what shall I do to inherit Eternal Life?"

26. He Said unto him,

"What is written in The Law?
How readest thou?"

27. And he answering said,

" 'THOU SHALT LOVE THE LORD THY GOD
WITH ALL THY HEART,
AND WITH ALL THY SOUL,
AND WITH ALL THY STRENGTH,
AND WITH ALL THY MIND;
AND THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF.' "

28. And he Said unto him,

"Thou hast answered right:
this do,
and thou shalt live."

29. But he,
willing to justify himself,
said unto Jesus,

"And who is my Neighbour?"

30. And Jesus answering Said,

“A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho,
and fell among thieves,
which stripped him of his raiment,
and wounded him,
and departed,
leaving him half dead.
31. “And by chance
there came down a certain Priest
that way:
and when he saw him,
he passed by on the other side.
32. “And likewise a Levite,
when he was at the place,
came and looked on him,
and passed by on the other side.
33. “But a certain Samaritan,
as he journeyed,
came where he was:
and when he saw him,
he had compassion on him,
34. “And went to him,
and bound up his wounds,
pouring in oil and wine,
and set him on his own beast,
and brought him to an inn,
and took care of him.
35. “And on the morrow when he departed,
he took out two pence,
and gave them to the host,
and said unto him,

'TAKE CARE OF HIM;
AND WHATSOEVER THOU SPENDEST MORE,
WHEN I COME AGAIN,
I WILL REPAY THEE.'

36. “Which now of these three,
thinkest thou,
was Neighbour unto him
that fell among the thieves?”

37. And he said,

“He that shewed Mercy on him.”

Then Said Jesus unto him,

“Go, and do thou likewise.”

THAT IS NOTHING BUT THE BORN AGAIN DOCTRINE!

Lord Yeshua's Teachings required a radical change in the way the Ancient Israelites THOUGHT and DID. They had EXCUSES to justify BREAKING THE LAW.

>. [u[LEVITICUS 19:32-37.[/u]

32. "Thou shalt rise up
before the hoary head,
and honour the face
of the old man,
and fear thy God:
I (am) The LORD.
33. "And if a stranger
sojourn with thee in your land,
ye shall not vex him.
34. " (But) the stranger
that dwelleth with you
shall be unto you
as one born among you,
and thou shalt love him as thyself;
for ye were strangers
in the land of Egypt:
I (am) The LORD your God.
35. "Ye shall do
no unrighteousness in Judgment,
in meteyard, in weight,
or in measure.
36. "Just balances, just weights,
a just ephah, and a just hin,
shall ye have:
I (am) The LORD your God,
Which brought you
out of the land of Egypt.
37.Therefore shall ye observe
all My Statutes,
and all my judgments,
and do them:
I am The LORD."[ color]

THEY HAD TRADITIONAL EXCUSES TO RENDER THE LAW USELESS.

Lord Yeshua Commanded them to discard those excuses, because they were actually killing them.

Such a change in thought and habit is what being BORN AGAIN is all about.

[color=silver]. MATTHEW 13:34-35.

34 All these things Spake Jesus
unto the multitude in Parables;
and without a Parable
Spake he not unto them:
35. That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Prophet, saying,

"I WILL OPEN MY MOUTH IN PARABLES;
I WILL UTTER THINGS
WHICH HAVE BEEN KEPT SECRET
FROM THE FOUNDATION
OF THE WORLD."

. MARK 4:33-34.

33. And with many such Parables
spake he The Word unto them, as they were able to hear It.
34. But without a Parable
spake he not unto them:
and when they were alone,
he expounded all things
to his Disciples.

THE BORN AGAIN DOCTRINE WAS ONLY GIVEN TO THOSE WHO PERSEVERED WITH LORD YESHUA UNTIL THE END OF HIS MAIN MESSAGE, AFTER THE CROWDS HAD GONE HOME.

That was consistent with the PRINCIPLES OF THE MIND: it is only after the activities of the day, that we can sit down and analyze in full, what actually happened.

Those who had to go home to eat, have sex, open and close business deals, and other dross, would miss the easy exposition of FUNDAMENTAL TRUTHS God had for them.

alBHAGDADI:

Please go and get the Holy Spirit before you quote scriptures otherwise you will continue quoting in error.

this is a complete big error you people are making. The holy spirit does not inspire one to understand written contents, you have to deliberately read them for yourself they are all there, nothing is hidden. The biggest problem africans have today is, when they cannot read and understand and some other people who understand tells them this is how it is, they will say that person does not ave the holy spirit, meanwhile they who claim they have holy spirit cannot even live rightly according to the bible.
Look at african christians today, compare them with foreign christians today and judge for yourself who are living better than who?

Jesus never said he was going to build his church on Peter. He was simply saying he would build his church on himself i.e on Jesus.
Peter is not the Rock. Peter is a STONE as Jesus himself called him in the verse below.

John 1:42 KJV
And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.


Now if Peter is not the Rock, who then is the Rock whom Jesus said he would build his Church on? That Rock is Jesus Christ himself who has always been the Rock the people of God relied on right from the old testament.

1 Corinthians 10:4 (KJV)
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Psalm 18:2 KJV
The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower


Peter was a stone. Misconstruing Mathew 16:18 to mean he is the Rock is the same as holding on to Catholic propaganda. That is why they believe Peter was the first pope and have since been having different Pope's whom they call father even when Jesus says to call no one our father.

I think I'm done schooling your ignorance.

i never say christ build the church on peter only by quoting matthew 16: 18 you misunderstood me.

When you misunderstand people it does not mean you have holy spirit

Try to get what i was driving at before you conclude.

I told you that if it was only one person that believed in christ and was saved at the time christ resurrected it will have still be ok by God.

God did not need crowd to get his will done on earth.

Luke 15:10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over ONE SINNER that repenteth.

However, since there were many people who were saved it is still ok.

But that doesnt mean until there are many people before one can say we have church.

One person alone is church before God. That means, if you like gather with the other crowd of christian if you dont like the crowd(especially when they fraudulent like nigerian churches) you are good to go by staying on your own without the fellowship.

God is not interested in physical gathering or buildings gathering people, all he is interested is your faith.

To this light, THE CHURCH christ built is not gathering but the people themselves.
THE HOUSE OF GOD is not any building called church, God dont live in houses built by men.

All these while you were mentioning house of God this or that i was just laughing at your ignorance

paxonel:

this is a complete big error you people are making. The holy spirit does not inspire one to understand written contents, you have to deliberately read them for yourself they are all there, nothing is hidden. The biggest problem africans have today is, when they cannot read and understand and some other people who understand tells them this is how it is, they will say that person does not ave the holy spirit, meanwhile they who claim they have holy spirit cannot even live rightly according to the bible.
Look at african christians today, compare them with foreign christians today and judge for yourself who are living better than who?
i never say christ build the church on peter only by quoting matthew 16: 18 you misunderstood me.

When you misunderstand people it does not mean you have holy spirit

Try to get what i was driving at before you conclude.

I told you that if it was only one person that believed in christ and was saved at the time christ resurrected it will have still be ok by God.

God did not need crowd to get his will done on earth.

Luke 15:10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over ONE SINNER that repenteth.

However, since there were many people who were saved it is still ok.

But that doesnt mean until there are many people before one can say we have church.

One person alone is church before God. That means, if you like gather with the other crowd of christian if you dont like the crowd(especially when they fraudulent like nigerian churches) you are good to go by staying on your own without the fellowship.

God is not interested in physical gathering or buildings gathering people, all he is interested is your faith.

To this light, THE CHURCH christ built is not gathering but the people themselves.
THE HOUSE OF GOD is not any building called church, God dont live in houses built by men.

All these while you were mentioning house of God this or that i was just laughing at your ignorance

You know nothing Jon Snow.

Without the Holy Spirit you can't understand the word of God which is spirit. So only someone with the spirit of God can understand the spirit word cos a flesh or natural man can't.

John 6:63-70 King James Version (KJV)
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

It is when you have the spirit of God that you will be able to understand the Bible because that spirit will teach you.

John 14:26 King James Version (KJV)
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

You think the Bible is like biology or chemistry books which any man can understand just like that? Look at that Ethiopian Eunuch who read the old testament but couldn't understand what he was reading. It took a spirit-filled Philip to explain it to him.

You say I misunderstood you on Peter and the verse you quoted. No, I didn't. You are only changing lane now because I have busted you. Or what was the essence of the verse about Peter and the church which you quoted?

You keep saying an individual is a church on his own and that God doesn't live in buildings built by humans, but you can't explain why Paul wrote to Timothy stating that the house of God is the church which is the gathering of Christians.


1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

The above verse doesn't say the church is an individual. It is saying that the church is the house of God where we must ALL behave ourselves in a certain way.

I have tackled you with scriptures upon scriptures. All you have done so far is just regurgitate the lies you've been deceived with.

luvmijeje:


That's how you climb the pulpit to start teaching rubbish. Do you know why I quote that scripture? I quoted that scripture in order for you to see how flawed the scripture is

In order to justified the scripture I quoted, you quoted a parable of a sheep and a goat to me. The other scriptures you quoted is bullshit because I don't believe in the teaching of Paul. I've already opened 3 threads on how the teachings of Paul differ from the teaching of Christ and I'm still going to open 17 more threads.

You have been deafening our ears on why we must be born again, why at the end of it all, it was never a requirement.

When Christ sent the 12 and 72 disciples, he didn't command them to baptize anybody. You all make having relationship with God, rigorous, difficult and cumbersome with all these teachings of men. The Bible is the teachings of men and one of my purpose on this section is to prove it.

I'm sorry for wasting my time with you.

I didn't know that your believe was this wrong.

Goodbye

luvmijeje:


That's how you climb the pulpit to start teaching rubbish. Do you know why I quote that scripture? I quoted that scripture in order for you to see how flawed the scripture is

In order to justified the scripture I quoted, you quoted a parable of a sheep and a goat to me. The other scriptures you quoted is bullshit because I don't believe in the teaching of Paul. I've already opened 3 threads on how the teachings of Paul differ from the teaching of Christ and I'm still going to open 17 more threads.

You have been deafening our ears on why we must be born again, why at the end of it all, it was never a requirement.

When Christ sent the 12 and 72 disciples, he didn't command them to baptize anybody. You all make having relationship with God, rigorous, difficult and cumbersome with all these teachings of men. The Bible is the teachings of men and one of my purpose on this section is to prove it.

You said being born again is not a requirement in service to God... You simply throw away the words of Jesus...

Jesus told nichodemus... "except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God... "

Being born again is having one's life, regenerated..

This is the core essence of Jesus death on the cross.. you cannot serve God in your crude state... You need to be refined.


You said that Jesus didn't ask the 12 or 72 to baptise anyone... It was not stated there... Yes.

But in another verse Jesus said... "go yea into the world and preach.... Baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit... "

You mentioned that you don't believe in the book of Paul I would have kicked greatly ......

....until I read the part where you said that the Bible is a teaching of men... So there is no point.


You have a twisted knowledge of Salvation and the word of God...

This is very dangerous and deadly...
Isn't it better for you not to have read the Bible at all than for you to read and condemn it this much?

If you have not read it, you have a chance. .....

Now that you have read the Bible and you have condemn it, what chance do you have?

The Holy Spirit is the only one who can help you in this state...

I can't.

[quote author=alBHAGDADI post=75135617]I'm sorry for wasting my time with you.

I didn't know that your believe was this wrong.

Goodbye[/quotef

Get the Bleep off.

Originakalokalo:


You said being born again is not a requirement in service to God... You simply throw away the words of Jesus...

Jesus told nichodemus... "except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God... "

Being born again is having one's life, regenerated..

This is the core essence of Jesus death on the cross.. you cannot serve God in your crude state... You need to be refined.


You said that Jesus didn't ask the 12 or 72 to baptise anyone... It was not stated there... Yes.

But in another verse Jesus said... "go yea into the world and preach.... Baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit... "

You mentioned that you don't believe in the book of Paul I would have kicked greatly ......

....until I read the part where you said that the Bible is a teaching of men... So there is no point.


You have a twisted knowledge of Salvation and the word of God...

This is very dangerous and deadly...
Isn't it better for you not to have read the Bible at all than for you to read and condemn it this much?

If you have not read it, you have a chance. .....

Now that you have read the Bible and you have condemn it, what chance do you have?

The Holy Spirit is the only one who can help you in this state...

I can't.

Another righteous fool.

As I earlier said, get ready for me to tear that book of man you called the Bible. And I'll do it without going out of the scripture.

luvmijeje:


Another righteous fool.

As I earlier said, get ready for me to tear that book of man you called the Bible. And I'll do it without going out of the scripture.

Peace.