SEONaijaExpert:
My problem with some Igbo activist is that they always think you owe them something.

Like wherever they are, they always want to dominate the place and it's not possible.

For example, I saw one ignoramus celebrating Buhari's acclaimed campaign flop in Enugu and when Buhari enters again for the second term the same person would be the first to be shouting marginalization...Igbo's are not appointed... President Buhari is a tribalist and all nonsense conclusions, the question is...

What have you contributed?

What did you do to support the system?

I find it hard to believe some people will open their mouth and claim dominance in a place they never sowed.

Nor mind them.... very difficult set of people.
Even if PMB appoints them, they will complain. Give them 2nd Niger bridge, them go vex. Call them 5% them go still talk....
The only thing they respect and fear is Python Dance

jasonguru:
When only igbos are qualified they will remember quota system, but when it is only hausa people they will only appoint by merit.

Buhari is a terrible bigot!

You don't get it, do you?
Why reduce the number of Igbo's scaling into govt schools at common entrance level then claim there aren't Igbo offices who merit appointment at time or stage of appointment. That means there aren't enough of them to choose from but the govt makes it harder for them to reach the top. It is a paradox.

madridguy:
Irrelevant thread.

If Buhari appoint igbo, he want to appease us, if PMB did not appoint igbo he hate the Igbo.

Mtchew

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post=75103079:
Another thoughtful article..........

SOUTH EAST: IS IT NOT TOO LATE?

I have deliberately kept mum on this as I had earlier resolved to speak less on Igbos as regards the 2019 Elections and 2023 Presidency having said quite a bit. 

However seeing as some of my brethren have swallowed the cheap bait, I will chip this in just to keep the reality before us, at least for posterity sake. Truth is bitter but it's still the best medicine. 

My people say; 'He who does not remember where the rain started beating him, will not remember where it stopped'. 

REWIND TO 2014. 
A new National Party was being conceived. Political Parties, political players and Regions were being wooed to the new alliance. 

'We' Igbos (read South East) vehemently refused to touch it even with a long pole. We packaged, sold to ourselves and bought the baseless propaganda that it was an Islamic alliance that would birth an "Islamic" and "Hausa" Party. Simply because those our brethren heavily invested in the PDP at the time were afraid of losing their vested selfish interests.
Till today I'm still trying to fathom the basis for that wicked and twisted deceit especially as many of those Igbo elites who sold that dummy have since ported to the same APC.

We failed to even identify with that new Alliance. Hence the Party, APC was birthed without any remarkable input from us or presence. The few amongst us who aligned were called all kinds of names and abused to high heavens by us even when they were proven right afterall.

Thus the few Igbos who were part of it were at best fringe players as they didn't have the required clout to make serious demands and do the necessary political wheeling and dealing required in Politics to strike the hard bargains since politics is all about interests and numbers. They were even suspect, so much so that it was only their personal political sagacity that gave them whatever they got.

That Party went on to win the Presidential Election which in truth, most of us never believed it could or would, because of our half baked permutations and poor understanding of Nigerian politics. But it did. 

Curiously we turned up at the fore front of telling this same Party how it should share it's 'spoils of war'. We became hypocritical moral champions with an over bloated sense of entitlement. Who does that, in all political reality and practicality? But we did, even while vehemently and vociferously still refusing to shift our position, style and rhethoric.

We dug in. Supported every bad thing and person against the Party, the elected President and the Administration while denying any and every good done to and for our Region.

Fast forward to where we are today. Almost four years after the 2015 misadventure, we have stayed put at 2015, refusing to move forward, refusing to shift grounds, refusing to play pragmatic politics, telling ourselves the same lies we cooked and bought in 2015 and some more. 

Now barely 3 weeks to another election, we have started again saying "APC cannot give Presidency to Igbos in 2023". "Buhari cannot hand over to an Igbo man because Buhari hates Igbos". "APC is deceiving you", bla bla bla.

Of course. We will believe Saraki, who has only but a fanthom dream of becoming President and whose only known record is selfishness but we can't believe Buhari who's already President and who has a record of voluntarily picking two great Igbo sons as running mates in the past? Chukwu aju.

It is interesting and vital to note here that the PDP which many of us still proudly support and adore was in power for 16 solid years and in those years there were 4 Presidential Inaugurations and on none of those was an Igbo man found worthy by the PDP of even Vice Presidency and we are still bold to say it is the APC that has not even finished one tenure that doesn't want to give power to Igbos. Odi nma. 

NOW; Seriously, let's be sincere. As things stand today politically, why would the APC even hand power to us Igbos in 2023? 
On what grounds? 
On what records?
On what politics?
Is power given to anyone? 
Is it an appeasement or a gift? 

The APC is a political party. The main focus of a political Party is to hold power and keep it to enable it deliver on its agenda. So if the APC reads that the SE does not want the Presidency or does not have the capacity to help them win and keep power, they will stick with the regions that can and work with individuals who are interested. 

Make no mistake, I have always said, I do not blame us Igbos for the decision majority of us took in 2015. It's our right. But continuing to pretend that it was other regions, Buhari or the APC that made us do what we did then or remain where we are today is purely self deceit and I refuse to play that ostrich game. 

As far back as 2014, I and many others made that argument that Igbo Presidency was very feasible in 2023, ONLY under under the APC, ONLY IF we did a couple of things right politically. I personally continued to speak loudly on that even after the 2015 elections until when I realized that we were not ready to play the politics that was required and now I dare say it may be too late. Or is it not? Time will tell.

For now, we can continue to tell ourselves that we cannot hold the Presidency of Nigeria. I heard and read many of our brethren go from PDP to Biafra/seccesion (read IPOB) to Referendum to "Igbos do not need Presidency but Restructuring" etc forgetting that all that didn't lie squarely with us alone. We think other regions are not reading our body language?

I really don't care what Saraki writes or says because they've all come to realize that it's very easy to play us like a flute. So like Saraki, like Fani Kayode, like Fayose, like Atiku, even Jonah Jang of all people, they keep playing us.

I've learnt not to bother myself anymore to avoid unnecessary abuse from nonentities . As some of us have said, it's good governance we want, even if only one village will be producing the Presidents. So be it.
Ka Chineke mezie okwu. 

END OF DISCUSSION.
Dr Uche

So there are honest and sincere people with deep insight and great analytical skills here... God bless you

SEONaijaExpert:
My problem with some Igbo activist is that they always think you owe them something.

Like wherever they are, they always want to dominate the place and it's not possible.

For example, I saw one ignoramus celebrating Buhari's acclaimed campaign flop in Enugu and when Buhari enters again for the second term the same person would be the first to be shouting marginalization...Igbo's are not appointed... President Buhari is a tribalist and all nonsense conclusions, the question is...

What have you contributed?

What did you do to support the system?

I find it hard to believe some people will open their mouth and claim dominance in a place they never sowed.

What is DEMOCRACY?

EponOjuku:
Let me tell you guys a true story.

Last year, during the Ipob protests in Aba, the protesters at Ariaria attempted burning down the police station opposite the Ariaria market. The policemen called for reinforcements and a Mopol team was sent to the station.

That Mopol team was headed by an Igbo man and when he got there, instead of him to ask his men to quell the situation, he started making calls and delaying. His men were getting impatient but he asked them to stand down and kept making calls to different people, speaking Igbo language.

Eventually, he pulled his men out and that station was burnt with a policeman killed. In fact, when the Ipob protesters killed the policeman, they were rejoicing until it was revealed later on that the late policeman was from Imo state and also igbo. That's when they became sober. If he wasn't Igbo, they wouldn't have cared. The death of the policeman was here on Nairaland and many Igbos supporting Ipob were applauding it here on Nairaland.

The truth is that for most Igbos, primordial sentiments overcome logic and in political decisions, you can't joke with the loyalty of your security chiefs. Election is coming and you want an Igbo IGP? These guys think Buhari is daft.

Hope you guys remember that Evans the Igbo kidnapper was once arrested in Imo and was released by the Igbo CP before he was arrested again in Lagos.

Until we get Igbos like Dora Akunyili in the Police, Igbos can forget being the IGP. The position of IGP is not anyone's right, it's a political rank. Show commitment and loyalty to the Government of the day and you would get much more than IGP position.

The police force won't be run the way you guys ran Diamond Bank. Paschal Dozie the father of that lmbecile called Uzoma Dozie can explain better to you in Igbo.

Igbos don't deserve anything and they won't get anything till they align. They can cry all they want, but that is the bitter truth. Sensible Igbos have said this same thing I'm saying but the vast majority of policically daft ones shout them down.

Please, try to read this thread below and see the comments of Igbos. Thereafter, judge if they deserve anything.
https://www.nairaland.com/745731/yoruba-marginalization-elders-met-jonathan#9019830

stop painting igbos bad through propaganda
what kind of a story is this
u are tribalistic
hope u remember the igbo policeman that died in the zenith bank operation that went viral. why didnt u cite that one. am pissed with ur holier than thou attitude. so u think we dont have bad and good eggs in every tribe? for u to single out one incident and use it to paint all igbos with one brush. and i know u weren't where the aba incident happened, but the way u sat down to write a very long story about it , one will think that u were there physically and was following the story. u didnt mention igbos that have served patriotically and selflessly, u didnt mention the ones dying in boko haram war that they didnt cause. u didnt mention when Gen. ihejirika was almost wiping out boko haram but u used tribal sentiments to get him removed. u didnt mention the patriotic igbos that will acquire a swampy land in lagos and other places and develop it.

but why didn't u mention the past IGP that released his own people and left yorubas including an oba in prison when the two tribes clashed in yorubaland two yrs back , if am right , in Osun state. an elderly igbo woman was beheaded in kano two yrs back and the kano govt withdrew the case, the FG didnt intervene, they allowed it. is this not enough reason to denie hausa/fulanis the post of internal affairs, IGP, justice minister etc.
stop ur hatred against igbos. when ihejirika headed the army was he tribalistic, did he sell the country? wasnt he patriotic
when okiro and onovo headed the police , were they found wanting? why the hatred for a tribe that u so much desire and would even give up ur life in other for u to co-habit and live with and share the same country with. WHY? why die to live with us, when u know u will hate us forever.

OEPHIUS:


http://revue.com.ng/are-igbo-officers-not-good-enough-for-appointment/

When the Igbos start voting for Buhari en masse then they will deserve the appointments of the APC it’s simple as that

nextstep:


Not appointed by Buhari, so not relevant to this discussion.
He isn't Igbo BTW, he's Egbema from Rivers.

when they are doing good things they are ibo buh if it is d oda way round they are not ibo hypocrisy of d highest order.... Rivers is not SS

See below

Haabaa, Ajuju nke a ?

Toluabigr8:
You mean people like MIKE OKIRO

Mike is from Rivers State
He's not Igbo

octavian:


So there are honest and sincere people with deep insight and great analytical skills here... God bless you

There are still some of us here bro, people like you too.
Amen and GOD bless you too.
Nigeria will be great again by God's grace.

EponOjuku:


Read what Igbos said on this thread and cover your face in shame.
https://www.nairaland.com/745731/yoruba-marginalization-elders-met-jonathan#9019830

What Igbos are facing today is pure Karma.

i used to love them and like to make friends with them until i saw this tread, now i know them very well, they are the most religious pple, yet fill with hate.

Ewedu buffoons masturbating on the thread and licking their own semen. That mor0nic yoruba tribe have suffered so much hunger and suicide in the past four years than in the 3 pre-dumbouhari decades put together. Their people are even killing and selling their children's human parts in jankara market just to buy a bowl of ewedu for dinner. Instead of dealing with the cannibalism cause by Buhari-induced hunger ravaging their villages from Ogun to Oshogbo, they are here celebrating bouhari's marginalization of the East by masturbating and licking their own malnourished semen.

Pwahahahahaha!

Igbos are the enemies of themselves, you don't support the government and you want the government to support you. It doesn't work like that in a sane atmosphere...

post=75103079:
Another thoughtful article..........

SOUTH EAST: IS IT NOT TOO LATE?

I have deliberately kept mum on this as I had earlier resolved to speak less on Igbos as regards the 2019 Elections and 2023 Presidency having said quite a bit. 

However seeing as some of my brethren have swallowed the cheap bait, I will chip this in just to keep the reality before us, at least for posterity sake. Truth is bitter but it's still the best medicine. 

My people say; 'He who does not remember where the rain started beating him, will not remember where it stopped'. 

REWIND TO 2014. 
A new National Party was being conceived. Political Parties, political players and Regions were being wooed to the new alliance. 

'We' Igbos (read South East) vehemently refused to touch it even with a long pole. We packaged, sold to ourselves and bought the baseless propaganda that it was an Islamic alliance that would birth an "Islamic" and "Hausa" Party. Simply because those our brethren heavily invested in the PDP at the time were afraid of losing their vested selfish interests.
Till today I'm still trying to fathom the basis for that wicked and twisted deceit especially as many of those Igbo elites who sold that dummy have since ported to the same APC.

We failed to even identify with that new Alliance. Hence the Party, APC was birthed without any remarkable input from us or presence. The few amongst us who aligned were called all kinds of names and abused to high heavens by us even when they were proven right afterall.

Thus the few Igbos who were part of it were at best fringe players as they didn't have the required clout to make serious demands and do the necessary political wheeling and dealing required in Politics to strike the hard bargains since politics is all about interests and numbers. They were even suspect, so much so that it was only their personal political sagacity that gave them whatever they got.

That Party went on to win the Presidential Election which in truth, most of us never believed it could or would, because of our half baked permutations and poor understanding of Nigerian politics. But it did. 

Curiously we turned up at the fore front of telling this same Party how it should share it's 'spoils of war'. We became hypocritical moral champions with an over bloated sense of entitlement. Who does that, in all political reality and practicality? But we did, even while vehemently and vociferously still refusing to shift our position, style and rhethoric.

We dug in. Supported every bad thing and person against the Party, the elected President and the Administration while denying any and every good done to and for our Region.

Fast forward to where we are today. Almost four years after the 2015 misadventure, we have stayed put at 2015, refusing to move forward, refusing to shift grounds, refusing to play pragmatic politics, telling ourselves the same lies we cooked and bought in 2015 and some more. 

Now barely 3 weeks to another election, we have started again saying "APC cannot give Presidency to Igbos in 2023". "Buhari cannot hand over to an Igbo man because Buhari hates Igbos". "APC is deceiving you", bla bla bla.

Of course. We will believe Saraki, who has only but a fanthom dream of becoming President and whose only known record is selfishness but we can't believe Buhari who's already President and who has a record of voluntarily picking two great Igbo sons as running mates in the past? Chukwu aju.

It is interesting and vital to note here that the PDP which many of us still proudly support and adore was in power for 16 solid years and in those years there were 4 Presidential Inaugurations and on none of those was an Igbo man found worthy by the PDP of even Vice Presidency and we are still bold to say it is the APC that has not even finished one tenure that doesn't want to give power to Igbos. Odi nma. 

NOW; Seriously, let's be sincere. As things stand today politically, why would the APC even hand power to us Igbos in 2023? 
On what grounds? 
On what records?
On what politics?
Is power given to anyone? 
Is it an appeasement or a gift? 

The APC is a political party. The main focus of a political Party is to hold power and keep it to enable it deliver on its agenda. So if the APC reads that the SE does not want the Presidency or does not have the capacity to help them win and keep power, they will stick with the regions that can and work with individuals who are interested. 

Make no mistake, I have always said, I do not blame us Igbos for the decision majority of us took in 2015. It's our right. But continuing to pretend that it was other regions, Buhari or the APC that made us do what we did then or remain where we are today is purely self deceit and I refuse to play that ostrich game. 

As far back as 2014, I and many others made that argument that Igbo Presidency was very feasible in 2023, ONLY under under the APC, ONLY IF we did a couple of things right politically. I personally continued to speak loudly on that even after the 2015 elections until when I realized that we were not ready to play the politics that was required and now I dare say it may be too late. Or is it not? Time will tell.

For now, we can continue to tell ourselves that we cannot hold the Presidency of Nigeria. I heard and read many of our brethren go from PDP to Biafra/seccesion (read IPOB) to Referendum to "Igbos do not need Presidency but Restructuring" etc forgetting that all that didn't lie squarely with us alone. We think other regions are not reading our body language?

I really don't care what Saraki writes or says because they've all come to realize that it's very easy to play us like a flute. So like Saraki, like Fani Kayode, like Fayose, like Atiku, even Jonah Jang of all people, they keep playing us.

I've learnt not to bother myself anymore to avoid unnecessary abuse from nonentities . As some of us have said, it's good governance we want, even if only one village will be producing the Presidents. So be it.
Ka Chineke mezie okwu. 

END OF DISCUSSION.
Dr Uche

Excellent writeup.

But the Igbo will not listen to the likes of you. I have long concluded they (the Igbos) hate facing reality.

They are like the Egbas (a Yoruba tribe based around Abeokuta). When a Egba Man is telling lies, the others will say he is telling truth. They even have a saying that "Egba meji ki n ja ara won niyan, bi ikan ba npa iro, ikeja a ni baa wa"

xarm:
i used to love them and like to make friends with them until i saw this tread, now i know them very well, they are the most religious pple, yet fill with hate.

Not all Igbos are that way. There are still many who sensible and face reality, very honest too.

The problem is that they are in the minority and are usually shouted down.

oooduancalmdown:

Nah!! It is the other way round.
Ebowls call it merit when they are dominating, but call it marginalization when they are not dominating.
Only Ebowl people accuse other people of what they are most guilty of.

Ebowls and hypocrisy is like five and six.

Greedy lots.

4 + 4.

Bihari till 2023

must u tell ur fellow useless bigots how hopeless ur life has been since 2015?
stop causing nuisance in cyber space

KingOfAllIgbos:
Short answer : NO

Long answer : Do you know what Ojukwu & Kanu did at the 1st sign of trouble?

Let me give you a small hint, i was there with my camera

[img]https://media1./images/ef9969c012d3cfac2f3f18b5273af37d/tenor.gif[/img]

Chai!

No.

What about Calaba,Egbira and other tribes in Nigeria ? No be only igbo dey Nigeria.

EponOjuku:
See these clowns.
They think the IGP of Police is a chieftaincy title.

Chief Shuku Eponmalu
IGP 1 of Abakaliki

My brain wan burst with laughter

EponOjuku:
Let me tell you guys a true story.

Last year, during the Ipob protests in Aba, the protesters at Ariaria attempted burning down the police station opposite the Ariaria market. The policemen called for reinforcements and a Mopol team was sent to the station.


Please, try to read this thread below and see the comments of Igbos. Thereafter, judge if they deserve anything.
https://www.nairaland.com/745731/yoruba-marginalization-elders-met-jonathan#9019830

This is why I always say it anywhere that I hate eebos. Their hypocrisy, greediness and entitlement sense is disgusting to say the least. And when I say I despise these people, the unrealistic ones think I'm being tribalistic. But one pertinent question eebos should really ask themselves is "how did we get here".

A typical eebo person wants to dominate you, take what belongs to you (greediness) and add to theirs without really contributing anything meaningful to your life. Eebos are generally dubious, swindlers and in short "good for nothing". Ok, I take the quoted back. Truth must be told whether it favours you or not, which is, the only admirable trait of this tribe is their physical strength. Other than that they're utterly useless to humanity.

OEPHIUS:


http://revue.com.ng/are-igbo-officers-not-good-enough-for-appointment/

Why will Igbos be appointed in Nigeria. Go and fight for position in biafra. You did not vote for Buhari so why are u crying for position. This term will be worse for ibos if Buhari should win the election because ibos have shown they are not for Buhari.

EponOjuku:
See these clowns.
They think the IGP of Police is a chieftaincy title.

Chief Shuku Eponmalu
IGP 1 of Abakaliki

Oh lawd. I'm dearrd.

This question is equivalent to IS MOSES V not good for man city to use.

Don't worry 2023 For you my brothers