frank317:

Back up for who? People of faith?
If it isn't faith why are people of faith quoting it? Why should people of faith use something that isn't faith as back up?



We are not changing it, we are saying its insufficient and has so many floors for people of faith.

You don't seem to understand!
I am talking from the Christan point of view. Faith isn't a "backup plan" in case God happens to be real.
Faith is a Trust on God's integrity.
Is it possible to Trust the Integrity of One who doesn't exist? No!

As Atheists, your problem isn't usually against
1. The Agnostic believes
2. The Polytheistic believes
BUT against the "arrogance" of the monotheism and their God!

If it about Faith, the Pascal's Wager isn't a yard stick of any single spiritual value. The Pascal's Wager is simply a physical or mathematical bases and argument (to Atheists) for adopting "the believe" in a God from a monotheistic point over view.

frank317:

Back up for who? People of faith?
If it isn't faith why are people of faith quoting it? Why should people of faith use something that isn't faith as back up?



We are not changing it, we are saying its insufficient and has so many floors for people of faith.

frank317:

No be only article of faith. Have u seen Jw article of faith? Do they accept blood transmission?

I have not seen JWs article of Faith but I have read "AWAKE" their magazine where "Blood Transfusion" is regected so, I expected you to find a written/official record of what a church (DLCF) believes will lead to heaven. Otherwise, your claim is a mere "hearsay"

shadeyinka:

You don't seem to understand!
I am talking from the Christan point of view. Faith isn't a "backup plan" in case God happens to be real.
Faith is a Trust on God's integrity.
Is it possible to Trust the Integrity of One who doesn't exist? No!

This I know... But have it at the back of ur mind that Christians are not the only ones who believe in God.

As Atheists, your problem isn't usually against
1. The Agnostic believes
2. The Polytheistic believes
BUT against the "arrogance" of the monotheism and their God!

Somehow true

If it about Faith, the Pascal's Wager isn't a yard stick of any single spiritual value. The Pascal's Wager is simply a physical or mathematical bases and argument (to Atheists) for adopting "the believe" in a God from a monotheistic point over view.

Then why do faith believers always use it. Atheists think, just like u think, that the pascals wager has its floors, especially when faith believers like u think it is very reasonable.

I have not seen JWs article of Faith but I have read "AWAKE" their magazine where "Blood Transfusion" is regected so, I expected you to find a written/official record of what a church (DLCF) believes will lead to heaven. Otherwise, your claim is a mere "hearsay"

Awake is not JWs article of faith, why bring it up? Awake is simply a repeatation of what of what JW preachers preach any time the knock on our doors. Yet u know that blood transfusion is rejected by them. Why don't u wait for their article if faith before u accept?
Same way deeper life preaches against earring all the time, but u think we need their article of faith to know this?

frank317:

This I know... But have it at the back of ur mind that Christians are not the only ones who believe in God.


Somehow true


Then why do faith believers always use it. Atheists think, just like u think, that the pascals wager has its floors, especially when faith believers like u think it is very reasonable.



Awake is not JWs article of faith, why bring it up? Awake is simply a repeatation of what of what JW preachers preach any time the knock on our doors. Yet u know that blood transfusion is rejected by them. Why don't u wait for their article if faith before u accept?
Same way deeper life preaches against earring all the time, but u think we need their article of faith to know this?

You said "somehow true!"
But the Pascal's Wager deliberately focused on this "monotheistic God" and not on the others (suitable for atheists consumption)

Pascal himself was a believer...and honestly, I feel that for those of you who need "physical evidence", Pascal's Wager is ONE means.

Is any Parable or Analogy Perfect?
Certainly NOT!
But, they help simplify and bring out the TRUTH in a Complex Reality.

Even Jesus used Parables AND they aren't meant to be a one to one match of spiritual realities.

On articles of Faith, the only means of stating the doctrinal position of a church is no other than this.
For instance, at a time DLCM do not use TVs (the so called devil's box) BUT now, many DL members have satellite decoders in their house. But if you check, use of TVs had never been part of the Articles of Faith for the Church.

Just like in Boolean Algebra. Blaise Pascal focused on a simple YES/NO question. To believe or not to in the face of a monotheistic God! And by this, a very rational and solid agreement.

shadeyinka:

You said "somehow true!"
But the Pascal's Wager deliberately focused on this "monotheistic God" and not on the others (suitable for atheists consumption)

U are just all over the place and don't seem to understand even ur own point.
-Does pascals wager focus on other conditions required to be in good term with monotheistic God?
-u accept atheists are against the arrogance of monotheism which is mostly faith based, and u say pascals wager is not a yardstick for faith based belief, now u turn to say pascals wager focuses on monotheistic God. I don't seem to know what u really are about.
Why exactly do u think pascals wager is reasonable?

Pascal himself was a believer...and honestly, I feel that for those of you who need "physical evidence", Pascal's Wager is ONE means.

Believer in what sense? Was he a faith based christian who even u have mentioned does not need pascals wager.

Is any Parable or Analogy Perfect?
Certainly NOT!
But, they help simplify and bring out the TRUTH in a Complex Reality.

Yet u fail to see the holes we have poked in this "imperfect" analogy.

Even Jesus used Parables AND they aren't meant to be a one to one match of spiritual realities.

Yet u call him a perfect God

On articles of Faith, the only means of stating the doctrinal position of a church is no other than this.
For instance, at a time DLCM do not use TVs (the so called devil's box) BUT now, many DL members have satellite decoders in their house. But if you check, use of TVs had never been part of the Articles of Faith for the Church.

U only succeeded in making the church look like a confused place. Again, are u saying its impossible for doctrines to change? This article of faith u talk about, is it one sent by God himself? U are saying without article of faith it is impossible to know what certain church doctrines and beliefs are? So how many times do u go to church and u are presented with article of faith as a new member?

Just like in Boolean Algebra. Blaise Pascal focused on a simple YES/NO question. To believe or not to in the face of a monotheistic God! And by this, a very rational and solid agreement.

How is it a solid agreement? Are things related to making heaven a yes or no issue? Does just believing there is God take anyone to heaven?

frank317:

U are just all over the place and don't seem to understand even ur own point.
-Does pascals wager focus on other conditions required to be in good term with monotheistic God?
-u accept atheists are against the arrogance of monotheism which is mostly faith based, and u say pascals wager is not a yardstick for faith based belief, now u turn to say pascals wager focuses on monotheistic God. I don't seem to know what u really are about.
Why exactly do u think pascals wager is reasonable?


Believer in what sense? Was he a faith based christian who even u have mentioned does not need pascals wager.


Yet u fail to see the holes we have poked in this "imperfect" analogy.


Yet u call him a perfect God


U only succeeded in making the church look like a confused place. Again, are u saying its impossible for doctrines to change? This article of faith u talk about, is it one sent by God himself? U are saying without article of faith it is impossible to know what certain church doctrines and beliefs are? So how many times do u go to church and u are presented with article of faith as a new member?


How is it a solid agreement? Are things related to making heaven a yes or no issue? Does just believing there is God take anyone to heaven?

The bolded is one of the points I have been trying to make

DOES SIMPLY BELIEVING IN GOD TAKE ANYONE TO HEAVEN ?

frank317:

U are just all over the place and don't seem to understand even ur own point.
-Does pascals wager focus on other conditions required to be in good term with monotheistic God?
-u accept atheists are against the arrogance of monotheism which is mostly faith based, and u say pascals wager is not a yardstick for faith based belief, now u turn to say pascals wager focuses on monotheistic God. I don't seem to know what u really are about.
Why exactly do u think pascals wager is reasonable?


Believer in what sense? Was he a faith based christian who even u have mentioned does not need pascals wager.


Yet u fail to see the holes we have poked in this "imperfect" analogy.


Yet u call him a perfect God


U only succeeded in making the church look like a confused place. Again, are u saying its impossible for doctrines to change? This article of faith u talk about, is it one sent by God himself? U are saying without article of faith it is impossible to know what certain church doctrines and beliefs are? So how many times do u go to church and u are presented with article of faith as a new member?


How is it a solid agreement? Are things related to making heaven a yes or no issue? Does just believing there is God take anyone to heaven?

You seem not to know anything about Boolean Algebra. If you know, it wouldn't take you long that the most complex computer logic is reduced to a sequence of YES or NO!

Pascal's Wager is focused on :
If (Man) Believes in God, then (NEXT STAGE)
Else
(ETERNAL TORMENT)

Since you don't believe in God, the NEXT STAGE does not exist for you. What exists is a definite END... torment

The NEXT STAGE Ultimately Leads to PARADISE if the conditions of (Love, Faith and Purity..) are accompanied. Are these fruits not evidence of Belief in God and His Words?

Why do you think you are a self appointed ambassador against God? Because, it's a strong wish that you are correct...but there is no evidence, hence you have to prove your "superior wisdom": to calm you down 'cause you cannot afford to be wrong.

Masquerades are supposed to be ancestral spirits BUT I don't spend all my time proving that human beings are behind the masks and garment.

Food for thought!

shadeyinka:

You seem not to know anything about Boolean Algebra. If you know, it wouldn't take you long that the most complex computer logic is reduced to a sequence of YES or NO!

I don't know what boolean algebra, and I don't understand how this is related to the topic. Pls face the topic at hand and stop digressing.

Pascal's Wager is focused on :
If (Man) Believes in God, then (NEXT STAGE)
Else
(ETERNAL TORMENT)

Since you don't believe in God, the NEXT STAGE does not exist for you. What exists is a definite END... torment

The NEXT STAGE Ultimately Leads to PARADISE if the conditions of (Love, Faith and Purity..) are accompanied. Are these fruits not evidence of Belief in God and His Words?

Brah, I/we know what pascals wager is all about. Yes, it assumes, believing in God takes u to the next stage. And we are saying that this makes no sense in reality, given all the different religion, their different doctrine and their process to make heaven. Jezz. Why is this difficult for u to grab. Telling me what pascals wager is us not the point.

Why do you think you are a self appointed ambassador against God? Because, it's a strong wish that you are correct...but there is no evidence, hence you have to prove your "superior wisdom": to calm you down 'cause you cannot afford to be wrong.

Masquerades are supposed to be ancestral spirits BUT I don't spend all my time proving that human beings are behind the masks and garment.

Food for thought!

What's this?

When was the last time u were served church article as a new comer, since u need church article know church doctrine. Answer the question and stop whining like a baby. Someone pokes holes in ur belief u guys start crying, see how u whole response was disjointed.

frank317:

I don't know what boolean algebra, and I don't understand how this is related to the topic. Pls face the topic at hand and stop digressing.


Brah, I/we know what pascals wager is all about. Yes, it assumes, believing in God takes u to the next stage. And we are saying that this makes no sense in reality, given all the different religion, their different doctrine and their process to make heaven. Jezz. Why is this difficult for u to grab. Telling me what pascals wager is us not the point.


What's this?

When was the last time u were served church article as a new comer, since u need church article know church doctrine. Answer the question and stop whining like a baby. Someone pokes holes in ur belief u guys start crying, see how u whole response was disjointed.

I believe I explained to you that only the Abrahamic God promises Heaven and Hell for Belief/Unbelieve. A simple problem.

I can see that your knowledge of Mathematics is shallow (no offense or disrespect intended) that is why your comprehension of Pascal's Wager is weak!

Pascal was simply using a mathematical tool to explain complex choice. In mathematics, I'm sure you have heard of the word "simplify!". Pascal distilled the problem into a simple YES or NO situation and the answer is obvious!

Don't forget that extremely complex logical computer algorithms use this same formula of distilling logics into a series of simple YES or NO decisions.

You loose! Slow down and comprehend!

shadeyinka:

I believe I explained to you that only the Abrahamic God promises Heaven and Hell for Belief/Unbelieve. A simple problem.

So?
Pascals wager does not even work with abrahamic God. What are u all about pls.

I can see that your knowledge of Mathematics is shallow (no offense or disrespect intended) that is why your comprehension of Pascal's Wager is weak!

Pascals wager is as clear as ABC u don't need to being mathematics into it. I don't need to be a mathematician to understand pascals wager, jezz.

Pascal was simply using a mathematical tool to explain complex choice. In mathematics, I'm sure you have heard of the word "simplify!". Pascal distilled the problem into a simple YES or NO situation and the answer is obvious!

And I am saying u cannot simplify religious doctrines and process using pascals wager and expect to just get away with it... Doing so makes u a candidate for Yahweh's hell.

Don't forget that extremely complex logical computer algorithms use this same formula of distilling logics into a series of simple YES or NO decisions.

There he goes

You loose! Slow down and comprehend!

Stop getting ahead of urself smarty pants... Now when were u ever served a church article before u understood their doctrine and a new comer?

frank317:

So?
Pascals wager does not even work with abrahamic God. What are u all about pls.


Pascals wager is as clear as ABC u don't need to being mathematics into it. I don't need to be a mathematician to understand pascals wager, jezz.


And I am saying u cannot simplify religious doctrines and process using pascals wager and expect to just get away with it... Doing so makes u a candidate for Yahweh's hell.


There he goes


Stop getting ahead of urself smarty pants... Now when were u ever served a church article before u understood their doctrine and a new comer?

Your cup of...is already full!

I once saw on National Geographics, A big Buffalo who kept attacking a pride of lions. His bold moves we're impressive until a moment later we began to hear him squeal helplessly in the trap of its own folly and irrationality.

If you won't consider the Mathematics, I give up 'cause nothing else except yourself will make you think!

shadeyinka:

Your cup of...is already full!

I once saw on National Geographics, A big Buffalo who kept attacking a pride of lions. His bold moves we're impressive until a moment later we began to hear him squeal helplessly in the trap of its own folly and irrationality.

If you won't consider the Mathematics, I give up 'cause nothing else except yourself will make you think!

Have a nice day bro... Next time don't jump into arguments when u are just confused.

And they even yet to prove God exists. Smh this is what happens when u worship a God that cannot simply talk.

frank317:


Have a nice day bro... Next time don't jump into arguments when u are just confused.

And they even yet to prove God exists. Smh this is what happens when u worship a God that cannot simply talk.

lol