JujuSugar:
Pick up a shoe.....
Can you observe it with any OR all of your 5 senses? If you can, you are able to have as much certainty of this fact as anything else in the world. You'll never see two people debating the existence of shoes. That would be an exercise in stupidity.....
In contrast, the existence of a god is much less certain. Many reasonable and intelligent people become atheists and arguments for God's existence always have reasonable counter arguments. "Experiences" of God can be hard to distinguish from mere psychological or sociological effects.....
So the state of humanity is thus: we find ourselves in a world with an epistemological framework such that we are far more likely to know that a pencil exists than that God exists!
Having established all this, here is my question....
Now, if God really does exist and wants a relationship with us -- and if this relationship is the single most important thing to "get right" -- then why would God not give us more epistemic access to his own existence … than that of a shoe??. Doesn't this seem incompatible with the existence of a god who wants to have a relationship with us?
Cc. Budaatum, LordReed

JujuSugar:
Pick up a shoe.....
Can you observe it with any OR all of your 5 senses? If you can, you are able to have as much certainty of this fact as anything else in the world. You'll never see two people debating the existence of shoes. That would be an exercise in stupidity.....

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BUT....
UNLIKE SHOES, GOD IS A SPIRIT. YOU NEED FAITH TO BE ABLE TO ENCOUNTER AND FEEL HIM IN YOUR HEART.

I TELL U WHAT MY DEAR YOU HAVE TO BE SAVED BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.

JujuSugar:
Define a) Faith b) Spirit

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BUT....
UNLIKE SHOES, GOD IS A SPIRIT. YOU NEED FAITH TO BE ABLE TO ENCOUNTER AND FEEL HIM IN YOUR HEART.

I TELL U WHAT MY DEAR YOU HAVE TO BE SAVED BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.

JujuSugar:
SMH. Can't believe I fell for that

DEAR OH DEAR MY RECENT POSTS GAVE ME AWAY.

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DEAR OH DEAR MY RECENT POSTS GAVE ME AWAY.

CAPSLOCKED:
UNLIKE SHOES, GOD IS A SPIRIT. YOU NEED FAITH TO BE ABLE TO ENCOUNTER AND FEEL HIM IN YOUR HEART.

I TELL U WHAT MY DEAR YOU HAVE TO BE SAVED BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.

MuttleyLaff:
"²³But the time is coming—indeed it’s here now—when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth.
The Father is looking for those who will worship him that way.
²⁴For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.”
- John 4:23-24

LordReed:
Can you provide evidence of or demonstrate what a spirit is?

MuttleyLaff:
You have to be specific dear friend, the evidence or demonstration of what spirit you are particularly interested in. After all, human beings, are spirit wearing an earth suit

LordReed:
Fine then, provide evidence of or demonstrate that human beings, are spirit wearing an earth suit.

MuttleyLaff:
Your body is an earth suit, when you snuff it, the spirit returns back to its Owner but your soul goes to rest and a waiting place pending the day of judgment when you will give account for every careless word spoken, you'll have to explain the reason(s) for your every word, thought and deed. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned, on that day.

Hermes019:
How did you get to know all these ?

MuttleyLaff:
"²³But the time is coming—indeed it’s here now—when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth.

MuttleyLaff:

The Father is looking for those who will worship him that way.
²⁴For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.”
- John 4:23-24

MuttleyLaff:
....ner but your soul goes to rest and a waiting place pending the day of judgment when you will give account for every careless word spoken, you'll have to explain the reason(s) for your every word, thought and deed....

MuttleyLaff:
"²³But the time is coming—indeed it’s here now—when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth.
The Father is looking for those who will worship him that way.
²⁴For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.”
- John 4:23-24

MuttleyLaff:
Your body is an earth suit, when you snuff it, the spirit returns back to its Owner but your soul goes to rest and a waiting place pending the day of judgment when you will give account for every careless word spoken, you'll have to explain the reason(s) for your every word, thought and deed. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned, on that day.

MuttleyLaff:
The more you read, the more you get to know all these

JujuSugar:
Pick up a shoe.....
Can you observe it with any OR all of your 5 senses? If you can, you are able to have as much certainty of this fact as anything else in the world. You'll never see two people debating the existence of shoes. That would be an exercise in stupidity.....
In contrast, the existence of a god is much less certain. Many reasonable and intelligent people become atheists and arguments for God's existence always have reasonable counter arguments. "Experiences" of God can be hard to distinguish from mere psychological or sociological effects.....
So the state of humanity is thus: we find ourselves in a world with an epistemological framework such that we are far more likely to know that a pencil exists than that God exists!
Having established all this, here is my question....
Now, if God really does exist and wants a relationship with us -- and if this relationship is the single most important thing to "get right" -- then why would God not give us more epistemic access to his own existence … than that of a shoe??. Doesn't this seem incompatible with the existence of a god who wants to have a relationship with us?
Cc. Budaatum, LordReed

HappyPagan:
Worship in "reason and logic" could have been a better alternative. Less prone to make-belief and keeps the fraudsters away.

HappyPagan:
Daddy needs to stop claiming Alpha and move to Beta

HappyPagan:
Times have changed, humans too.

HappyPagan:
"spirit and truth" is vague and ambiguous, at least enough to let in crooks, vampires and old men with Messiah complex.

HappyPagan:
Wow... I'm literally doing a life live stream to Heaven, like Spotify on two feet. Wow... Whoever's recording must be having a swell time.

Heaven must be a really jobless place.... Like Big Brother on steroids, ganga and fresh leave from the Utkubamba river.

LordReed:
I didn't ask for a story, I asked for evidence or demonstration.

Dantedasz:
How dare you compare the omniscient, omnipotent God to a pair of dusty shoes?
Do you not know our God is a mystery and his ways are not your ways?
How dare you??
You better read your Bible to understand God better
and go down on your knees and beg for forgiveness lest you get cast into the lake of fire that burns forever and ever.....
Bewarned.....

MuttleyLaff:
"Reason and logic" pass "reason and logic".
Worship with and/or in unrealiable "reason and logic" is how we got into the right fine mess the world got into. It is through and from it that make-belief and fraudsters got a leg in and entered the world

MuttleyLaff:

Smell the coffee, forget Beta, as Daddy is Alpha and Omega.

MuttleyLaff:

Humans change by the day while God never changes, simply because, God is perfect.

MuttleyLaff:

No one recording is having a swell time, as it is true, it really is a jobless place because of automation.

hopefulLandlord:
Comparing Jewish Yahweh to shoes is an insult to shoes

HappyPagan:
What mess? If reason and logic is unreliable, that's on you. Check for bias.

HappyPagan:
True, he takes on whatever attributes his believers love.

HappyPagan:
How could an imperfect world come from a perfect being?

HappyPagan:
Indeed, heaven seems to have no mind of its own. compelled to create, compelled to destroy, compelled to exist. God might be a prisoner to his powers.

Dantedasz:
And another one...have fun.
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MuttleyLaff:

The imperfect world you mentioned below is the mess

MuttleyLaff:

Because He didnt want to create human beings that are glorified robots

MuttleyLaff:

I very much doubt God is a prisoner to His powers. I believe God has more[b] integrity[/b] than you'll sincerely and truthfully ever would credit Him with